Test Report: XSPC RX120

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Originally Posted by Vapor

3?

FWIW, S-Flex G usually do 400-1900RPM just fine...but for the sake of preservation of data, just stick with your current config and add some SLs :) (they *should* go to 600RPM).

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D12SL-12's (<600RPM-999RPM)
D12SH-12's (>1000RPM-1800RPM)
DFS123812H (>1800RPM-3000RPM)

Thats my thinking anway...good, bad, indifferent? :shrug:

I took three changes to mean 4 different fans :p:

Yeah, that's a good setup to work with :) Each fan is a 'typical' fan in design, which is also good :)

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Originally Posted by Vapor

I took three changes to mean 4 different fans :p:

Yeah, that's a good setup to work with :) Each fan is a 'typical' fan in design, which is also good :)

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Ahh...oops. :D

Excellent, thanks Vapor! :up:

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Originally Posted by mcoffey

Heads up,

Just got thru sepaking with John over at Jab-Tech, who's great to work with by the way. He said he thinks all the rads are shipped the same, so others might have issues with the paint finish also. He offered a return or exchange which was very accomodating. He also said he'd bring this up with XSPC and see if there were better ways of packaging. I'll see if I can buff it out, but again it's a shame XSPC couldn't have paid more attention, which doesn't cost anything as far as I'm concerned.

Interesting enough, he said they are packed and shipped exactly as the ST MCR series rads, but I don't remember the same issue with the last MCR 320 I bought.

andyc

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Thanks for contacting the vendor Andy. I will send a note to XSPC as well.

lol. even martins set up can not be compared to the setup of skinnee. as long as he does not test the TFC and TC rads in the same environemnt the results are not comparable. These results only show the XSPC values compared to old test results with other configuration.

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Originally Posted by mcoffey

Just a heads up. I received my RX360 yesterday. Well constructed and a great paint job, or at least it would have been. They rap the rad up in white tissue paper, then bubble rap to protect the rad. That woulld have been great, except the paint hadn't cured it would seem, and the tissue paper mared the hell out of the gloss black finish, the finish on the paint job is ruined. I'll post some pics later. I know the tissue paper is what did it because I had to peel it off the rad somewhat.

Typical POS XSPC QC. I mean hard hard would it have been to let the goddamn paint cure, or rap it in something else. Just pretty much runied an otherwise great product IMO..

andyc

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These rads are obviously produced by Eastar Trading / Magicool.
All their rads come in that same packaging style. Also with these sticky white paper thing. Paul from XSPC (1-Man Show) does not have the ability or the money to pull that off alone.

All the talk of paper ruining the finish of the radiators had me a little bit worried but I got my radiator today and am happy to report no problems with my unit as far as finish is concerned.

The radiator was wrapped in like a tissue paper and then in bubble packing and then box. Smells like the high school workshop paint locker, whatever the paint is it sure has a nostalgic smell to it.

Its a beefy little sucker, I just might replace my BI2X with a RX240 sometime down the road.

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Originally Posted by skinnee

D12SL-12's (<600RPM-999RPM)
D12SH-12's (>1000RPM-1800RPM)
DFS123812H (>1800RPM-3000RPM)

Thats my thinking anway...good, bad, indifferent? :shrug:

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Martin has used
YATE LOON D12SM12-----------1000 - 1500 RPM
Scythe Ultra Kaze 3000------2000 - 3000 RPM

You in your test have used
Yate Loon D12SH12 and Scythe Ultra Kaze 3000

http://www.yateloon.com/style/conten...=8511&id=38837

It seems that the Yates Loon D12SM12 behaves in different way by the
YATE LOON D12SH12

D12SH12... .2200 RPM 88 CFM 2200/88 = 0,0400

D12SM12... .1650 RPM 70,5 CFM 1650/70,5 = 0,0427

0,0427/0,0400 = 1,0682
1008 RPM of Yate Loon D12SH12 = 1077 RPM of Yate Loon D12SM12 (1008*1,0682)
I don't know if the calculation is correct.
It would be correct if the rpm were proportional to the cfm
Surely the two types of fans have a different behavior.
According to me the Yates Loon D12SH12 are fans diverse from the norm.....(Curved blade).

This makes difficult to compare the data of Martin (MLL) to those of Skinnee (SKL).


I have made this calculation done with the data of Martin and Skinnee..........
Published data:

Thermochill PA120.3 MLL.. RPM =1000 C°/W = 0,0307 (thermal resistance)
XSPC RSX 120 SKL......... RPM =1008 C°/W = 0,0663

Formula to calculate the thermal resistance of 2 XSPC in series:
C°/W two XSPC RX 120 in series = 1/((1/C°W rads A)+(1/C°/W rad B)) = 0,0663 / 2 = 0,03315

Difference C°/W Thermochill PA120.3 - C°/W two XSPC RX 120 in series = 0,0307 - 0,03315 = -0,00245

what multiplied for 200 watts it becomes 0,49 degrees.

Difficulty to believe that to 1000 RPM and 200 watts,
Between a thermochill PA 120.3 and two XSPC in series there is only half degree of difference.

According to me to use more than two types of fans makes the most difficult the test.

Besides the Yate Loon D12SM12 of Martin (min 800 RPM)
a good fan is
Fast Version: Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F (1,600 RPM)
550 RPM > 1590 RPM

http://www.silentpcreview.com/articl...ge5.html#sflex


I have used an software of translation Italian> English.....
I hope that you can understand.

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Originally Posted by mcoffey

Heads up,

Just got thru sepaking with John over at Jab-Tech, who's great to work with by the way. He said he thinks all the rads are shipped the same, so others might have issues with the paint finish also. He offered a return or exchange which was very accomodating. He also said he'd bring this up with XSPC and see if there were better ways of packaging. I'll see if I can buff it out, but again it's a shame XSPC couldn't have paid more attention, which doesn't cost anything as far as I'm concerned.

Interesting enough, he said they are packed and shipped exactly as the ST MCR series rads, but I don't remember the same issue with the last MCR 320 I bought.

andyc

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Hmm, odd. I didn't have my mcr320 or 220 wrapped in tissue. Mine were simply in a brown box that I picked up at microcenter.

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Originally Posted by AndreaBZ

It seems that the Yates Loon D12SM12 are involved in different way by the
YATE LOON D12SH12

D12SH12... .2200 RPM 88 CFM 2200/88 = 0,0400

D12SM12... .1650 RPM 70,5 CFM 1650/70,5 = 0,0427

0,0427/0,0400 = 1,0682
1008 RPM of Yate Loon D12SH12 = 1077 RPM of Yate Loon D12SM12 (1008*1,0682)
I don't know if the calculation is correct.
It would be correct if the rpm were proportional to the cfm
Surely the two types of fans have a different behavior.
According to me the Yates Loon D12SH12 are fans diverse from the norm.....(Curved blade).

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As you know (based on your equations :)), open air airflow scales linearly with RPM....but Yate Loons ratings are (like ~97% of other fans' ratings) wrong to the point that they're incomparable even to themselves.

Basically, as long as Martin and skinnee used extremely similarly designed Yates (which is a fairly large "if" considering the variability of Yates out there :(), their results are comparable from a fan standpoint. A 1500RPM SM = 1500RPM SH so long as they're the same design. :) I think Martin and skinnee conferred when skinnee was setting everything up, so hopefully that was addressed :)

@Skinnee
Nice job anyway :up:
But I´m just waiting for the PA120.3 vs. TFC360 vs. RX360 comparison :D pleeaaase ... ;)

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Originally Posted by mcoffey

Just a heads up. I received my RX360 yesterday. Well constructed and a great paint job, or at least it would have been. They rap the rad up in white tissue paper, then bubble rap to protect the rad. That woulld have been great, except the paint hadn't cured it would seem, and the tissue paper mared the hell out of the gloss black finish, the finish on the paint job is ruined. I'll post some pics later. I know the tissue paper is what did it because I had to peel it off the rad somewhat.

Typical POS XSPC QC. I mean hard hard would it have been to let the goddamn paint cure, or rap it in something else. Just pretty much runied an otherwise great product IMO..

andyc

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FYI I just ordered a 120 for work and a 240 for myself, and the 120 had the tissue stuck as yours did with crappy paint; the 240 hand no stuck tissue and the paint was much better looking.


Again, just FYI :)

I ordered http://www.tilatech.com/xspcrx360.html and http://www.tilatech.com/xspcrx120.html. Received them last night and no paint problems with mine. Performs great on my second rig with QX9650 at 4.0ghz and a single 280gtx.

Is anybody able to / Will anybody compare the RX360 with PA120.3 or TFC360 on the short term?

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Originally Posted by scamps

Is anybody able to / Will anybody compare the RX360 with PA120.3 or TFC360 on the short term?

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This will sum them up :D

Performance will all be very similar

TFC360 will come in nice package and nice paint job with a valve to release liquid.

RX360 cheapest in price terms and decent paint job, bland package and looks

Thermochill will be mid range with different standard fittings, but similar to the other two

these rads will be within 1-2 degrees of eachother because of the same build design

This is all speculation however :D, I'll let the pros do the testing ;)

That is much worse than the production sample I received. I did not expect the paint to be that marred, your reaction and response is completely justified IMO.

Great work Skinnee, very good review!!!

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Originally Posted by mcoffey

Yeah,

If the light hits the rad a certain way like in the pic, it's pretty noticable. You should have seen before I cleaned it, waxed and hand buffed with a micro fiber cloth :shocked:

andyc

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Pretty sure you got the worst of the bunch.. I inspected what I have left and they are all way better shape than yours.. I pulled them from stock anyway and between myself and XSPC we'll figure out whats the best thing to do with them, probably ebay them sooner or later..

I do have a new order in and the next batch of rads are being painted again prior to shipping.. Chinese New year will delay the shipment so no more for probably a few weeks.

If anyone does have one they aren't happy with, just drop me a PM and we can work something out for you. mcoffey you have pm. Skinnee, great review.:up:

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Originally Posted by jab-tech

Pretty sure you got the worst of the bunch.. I inspected what I have left and they are all way better shape than yours.. I pulled them from stock anyway and between myself and XSPC we'll figure out whats the best thing to do with them, probably ebay them sooner or later..

I do have a new order in and the next batch of rads are being painted again prior to shipping.. Chinese New year will delay the shipment so no more for probably a few weeks.

If anyone does have one they aren't happy with, just drop me a PM and we can work something out for you. mcoffey you have pm. Skinnee, great review.:up:

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I'm buying a 120 next week for internal use. Any chance to pick up a blem for cheap?

Hello,

I have to renew my liquid cooling kit for CPU platform change, from P4 to i7 ...

The kit is to be integrated into the PC case, including radiator, to earn more some degree, but keeping silent!

I think that regardless of Wb, which more than 1 or 2 degrees of difference between one or the other WB's does not give; the most critical point is to improve the radiator.

I thought the TFC Single Radiator 120 and the ultimate XSPC RX120 works well with fans at low speed (1200 rpm es. Noctua, Schyte s-flex, Yate-Loon L), at best price ...

But then I read this test

http://eiskaltmacher.de/portal/index...1079&Itemid=53

where fans with its low-speed 1200 rpm (yate-loon L), soars a radiator for me unknown and much more subtle, and then for me to integrate better in my PC case, the TFC or XSPC RX120 that I had the best working at low speed!


The radiator is this MAGICOOL ELEGANCE COPPER 120

http://a.imagehost.org/t/0992/plexicopper_1.jpg


This is the graph
http://a.imagehost.org/0004/Radiator_Single_12V.png


I think that points to some degree because it's more fully in copper, unlike other copper radiators that have only in the strip, while the entire radiator is painted brass!

What do you think, and suggest to me for the BEST BUY between these three radiators?

- MAGICOOL Elegance copper 120
- Feser-TFC X-Changer 120
- XSPC RX120 :confused:

Thanks a lot

Got a RX360 coming on Tuesday, will be interesting to see whether UK samples have the paint marring..
otherwise looks like a solid performer, amirite? :up:

considered I got mine for £26 I think I'll let it slide if it has :shrug: