Phenom II Review Summaries.....

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Originally Posted by G0ldBr1ck

The origonal spirit of overclocking was to buy cheaper hardware and tweak it to perform as good as higher end more expensive hardware. Phenom 2 fits perfectly for this task.
so many people seem to have forgotten this.

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Hear Hear!! :up::up: I agree completely. I started with the K6-2 300s, and rowed my way through just about every CPU since (both AMD and Intel, as well as Cyrix).

There seems to be an EXPECTATION that everything will overclock to 8Ghz, and otherwise, it is a failure. A total lack of reality and maturity in this point of view. Ridiculous... Some of these "expert" review sites are simply filled with ignoramuses. It just goes to show how ANYONE can get a domain, and put up a site, and start writing opinion.... its just horrific how many people believe this balderdash as fact. :shocked:

To be quite truthful I think sub $300.00 for the 940 BE is a Steal:)

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Originally Posted by Brother Esau

To be quite truthful I think sub $300.00 for the 940 BE is a Steal:)

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One of the main things people forget is that it is a fairly cheap chip with an unlocked multi :clap:

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

By this definition P2 dont fits the original spirit at all. :p:

Back in the days you usualy bought the lowest bin and oced it as high as the highest bin, or higher. Same cpu.
With P2 you already got the highest bin, in fact there are only high binns out there right now. ;)

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to me it still fits. you can buy the Phenom II for $270 and a $100 board and tweak it to perform on par with a $1000 CPU and $200 board. Regardless of being Intel or AMD. Its still buying lower end cheaper parts and tweaking to match higher end high dollar parts.

Also good chance that these are not high binned CPU's. The higher binned CPU's may be for AM3's

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Originally Posted by nanohead

Some of these "expert" review sites are simply filled with ignoramuses.

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Almost all of them are also simply mult clocking, which will never get max performance

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...d-920-review/7


This is what happens when you bench a phenom 2 against a core 2 quad with ddr2 ram

The difference is small but still difference.
BUt....
LOOK at he difference in power consumption of the 9950 vs 940 !!!:eek:
I need a new cpu now(power bill coming:shrug:)

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Originally Posted by noki

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...d-920-review/7


This is what happens when you bench a phenom 2 against a core 2 quad with ddr2 ram

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nice review, look how the lower htt also hurts pII results in memory bw tests. Full htt speeds of am3 cpus will give a nice extra "kick"

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Originally Posted by iandh

One of the main things people forget is that it is a fairly cheap chip with an unlocked multi :clap:

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Agreed. What I like about the PII 940/920 is the CPU itself cost about the same amount as a good Core i7 motherboard give or take a few bucks. It also doesn't require DDR III nor a new motherboard. The Intel Core i7 maybe be faster, but AMD has great price/performance value. Hell, we can even use our old AM2+ mobos for AM3 chips and relax until DDRIII gets cheaper and new mobos come out. I like to upgrade slowly and with AMD you just can't beat them. Instead of purchasing the planned 9850 I may add a few more bucks to the equation and get the 920 and call it a day until AM3's come out.:up:

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Originally Posted by Ben_Brown

ACC does not even work with Phenom II so that whole rant just went out the window.

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1.Personal experience?
2.Or in general?

If 1 you fail at failing. :)
If 2 please elaborate (links).

The only reason I went for DFI 790GX (today) was ACC / SB750.
Even though I will use Bios for OC (mostly).

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Originally Posted by noki

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...d-920-review/7


This is what happens when you bench a phenom 2 against a core 2 quad with ddr2 ram

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Did anyone else notice that the Bit Tech review never showed a 3 ghz PII @ 2Ghz HTT. :shrug: The 3Ghz PII is running 1.8Ghz HTT

Only the underclocked 2.6Ghz were at 2Ghz HTT. Did I misread this?

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Originally Posted by nanohead

Did anyone else notice that the Bit Tech review never showed a 3 ghz PII @ 2Ghz HTT. :shrug: The 3Ghz PII is running 1.8Ghz HTT

Only the underclocked 2.6Ghz were at 2Ghz HTT. Did I misread this?

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noticed they got 3 frames more on Q9650 with ddr3 then they did with ddr2

I thought ram didn't matter

looks like it dose, will probably be more on AMD side. after see the 14.5gbs bandwidth form I think it was hondaguy at 1100mhz ddr2.

The graphs look pretty but in the real world with your feet on the ground ....Cough.....cough...it's but a few second difference......that's it!

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Originally Posted by MrMojoZ

And these people aren't AMDs target now are they? If you have to make up scenarios for Phenom 2s to fail in for you to prove your points you are proably in the wrong section of this site

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Don't kid yourself every potential customer is on or should be on AMD's radar. If you remember when AMD was king,it was then that they made the biggest intrusion into Intel's market share. I just don't think Phenom 2 will make a big difference in Amd's bottom line.

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Originally Posted by iandh

Sorry for OT, but the only people not losing money in this economy are people that have invested in foreign currency, and even some of them are too. ;)

As the value of the dollar goes down, you are losing money whether you like it or not... regardless of how much you are earning, how much you have in the bank, or how much you have invested. There is no choice in the matter.

I for one have a VERY VERY solid job. Unlike about 95% of the country, I saw this downturn coming ten years ago, and unlike about 95% of the country, I have a solid grasp on just how bad it could get. Every penny could count towards a meal one day, whether you spend it on PC hardware, a new toothbrush, or food for your cat. :)



Also, when you take price, value, and emotions out, I see a bunch of hardware that all runs about the same speed in the applications I use it for, and has different different color logos on it.

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You make some good points, the dollar is weak but to give an example of someone doing well, a few of my friends handle bankruptcies, there business is booming, another friend owns a auto repair shop he says his business is doing better then it has in 25 years.

As far as "a bunch of hardware that all runs about the same" this is xtreme systems and every little bit counts;)

Again just my opinon: Menace

the Intel guys are doing all they can to say that the P2 is a sorely inferior product and are doing their best to try and detour people from buying them. Competition is a great thing in the market and we need all we can get. I myself will get the 940 regardless of what Intel throws out.

Firing Squad has a GOOD review up for those that care about real world gaming numbers. PII is a nice competitor for Core I7 when gaming at REAL resolutions and high settings with AA/AF applied. Check out the stock clocked numbers of the PII 940/920 with DDRII 800. The Denebs should gain better performance with DDRII 1066 RAM.......Think of how well the AM3's will perform with DDR III support and higher clocked NB. I see why AMD is confident in the Denebs. With a little overclocking the Denebs can be a beast and put up a nice fight for Intel......at a cheaper cost too.:up:

NOTE: Keep in mind the numbers with the Core i7 utilize DDRIII 1333 RAM. I expect the PII's to perform atleast 5 percent better with DDR III RAM.

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_...ges/ep1920.gif

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_...ges/pf1600.gif

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_...es/fc21600.gif

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_.../dx9lp1920.gif

thats what i like to see. GOOOO AMD!!

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Originally Posted by noki

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...d-920-review/7


This is what happens when you bench a phenom 2 against a core 2 quad with ddr2 ram

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far cry 2 is a memory intensive program. i used to have 2gb of ram and would run maxed settings at 1680x1050 and the ram usage could run up to 90%+ usage. i think for that game changing the ram speed would make a huge difference but for others maybe not.

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Originally Posted by TL1000S

1.Personal experience?
2.Or in general?

If 1 you fail at failing. :)
If 2 please elaborate (links).

The only reason I went for DFI 790GX (today) was ACC / SB750.
Even though I will use Bios for OC (mostly).

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from the reviews i have seen and from SOF himself ACC hasn't done anything with phenom II. it may in the future with some updates but right now ACC doesn't affect phenom II.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...d-920-review/8 (sorry I'd posted twice the Farcy 2 Bench link, I anted to post this one, Half Life 2 Benchmark.)

Here also is ahead core 2quads ddr2....

I saw in the hwbox clock for clock comparison review that phenom II was about 9% slower than yorkfield...Now, amd says that am3 mobo + ddr3 ram will be a 5% performance increase.. so am3 denebs will be 4% slower than yorkfield...with some tweaking and new bios Amd will be just behind i7[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by noki

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...d-920-review/7

Here also is ahead core 2quads ddr2....

I saw in the hwbox clock for clock comparison review that phenom II was about 9% slower than yorkfield...Now, amd says that am3 mobo + ddr3 ram will be a 5% performance increase.. so am3 denebs will be 4% slower than yorkfield...with some tweaking and new bios Amd will be just behind i7

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Good point Noki and for 275.00 you just can't beat Denebs. Power Efficient, inexpensive, very overclockable, cheaper mobo options, and excellent performance.........What more can you ask for? Can't wait until the price wars begin again. To be fair I can't take anything away from the Core i7, but the cost makes them so not worth it for the performance you get. AMD can now brush their shoulders off in the CPU section. I haven't been this stoked about AMD since the A64 single core days(Venice).:clap:

Can't wait until the PII 945's are released. Good things to come for all consumers.:up:

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Originally Posted by noki

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...d-920-review/7

Here also is ahead core 2quads ddr2....

I saw in the hwbox clock for clock comparison review that phenom II was about 9% slower than yorkfield...Now, amd says that am3 mobo + ddr3 ram will be a 5% performance increase.. so am3 denebs will be 4% slower than yorkfield...with some tweaking and new bios Amd will be just behind i7

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where did you get the 9% value from? i believe the value was much lower. somewhere around 4 after you average every test they did. even the crappy ones.

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Originally Posted by TL1000S

1.Personal experience?
2.Or in general?

If 1 you fail at failing. :)
If 2 please elaborate (links).

The only reason I went for DFI 790GX (today) was ACC / SB750.
Even though I will use Bios for OC (mostly).

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According to SoF in this thread.......http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=213690 (see posts 23 & 24), ACC doesn't do anything for Phen2. I read somewhere (another forum I think.....didn't b/m it) that Phen2 has ACC 'built in', whatever that means. Dunno, however SoF has been tweaking these things for several months so I'd tend to believe him when he states ACC doesn't matter. That being said, SB750 has other advantages over SB600 in SATA and USB performance. Enjoy your new DFI!:D

Found the link.it was right here...Doh!....http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...201154&page=38.....post #947.:D

The best part is yet to come: five AM3 models next month with lower price, new stepping, new motherboards, both AM2+ and AM3 models.
Intel will react and drop prices, and so will AMD. Good times no matter what brand you choose!

Yeah I actually assumed ACC would work later on, but still, GX is a guarantee for getting a newer mobo.

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Originally Posted by Brother Esau

The graphs look pretty but in the real world with your feet on the ground ....Cough.....cough...it's but a few second difference......that's it!

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You seem to have gotten yourself banned. :clap: Be sure to not :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: where you sleep for no reason! Reguardless of what XS decide to do with their site is up to them! Say what you must but they sure in hell don't advertise like other supposid "enthusiast" sites like futuremark and such. So eat a XS dik! Glad to see you go! Nice work mods!:clap:

Sorry roofsniper, you were right, the gap between Deneb and Yorkfield is 6%... taken from here :
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=213200&page=5

If it's true that ddr3 is going to give an extra 5% power...then deneb will be a great deal