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I am putting 8 grand as a figure simply because thats half the concern with this system in alot of people mind. The cost is too extreme and you should be getting better components.(I know cost isn't an issue for you DarthB).
People here might say they could build a faster computer for the money, while keeping the good components which is everything apart from the water cooling system(and upgrading the water system). I don't think you could do it while maintaining decent profit margins. We can do it because we don't have to take labor into account.
Personally if I was stuck with a 8 grand budget, I would shave off the 285 for something slower for physics, remove 2 of the harddrives, remove the coolit system. And go swiftech, ek, thermochill and etc. But that something that I know is not possible for mass production because the testing and setup involved would take too much time.
I think BFG wants to become a household name in the same way as falcon northwest. Falcon another company that really doesn't go to hardcore(to the xtreme people on here like). Falcon's more of a summation of highend parts in a system that has really decent cabling, but they are far from extreme
BFG has already established a pretty good reputation for service in the hardware world and I think they are hoping that carries them a bit. I think the extreme market is not the market they are going after because they are too big of a company to want to do that. It might not be as original, but its probably more profitable because you can sell way more systems. I can imagine that hardcore computers, builds computer on a case by case basis with really personal service before sales and after. I don't think a bigger company want to do this.
I was in Vegas Dec 14. Damn it was cold(atleast for vegas). It snowed 3 inches which never happens in vegas. I was at Caesars and one of the floors completely flooded.
Which hotel are you staying at? You should have gotten a room with a TV in the washroom too. It completely garbage that internet is no longer free anywhere in vegas those. I remember going 5 years ago and all the hotels had complimentary internet. Now everyone charges 14 dollar a day for internet, bloody garbage.
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Bet ya that would cost quite some hard earned dough. I prefer to build my own thanks bfg
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Tajoh You are totally right about who they surely see as their competition. FNW highest end systems are way above the 8k pricepoint. I helped a company design a system to directly compete with FNW as well and try to come in less expensive. They were going to use Cool It or at least were looking at it when I came on to help with the project. Instead we used an alacart Danger Dwn system just like DIYer might use. If you look at the shootoit of high end rigs in CPU magazine (August 09?) look for the rig with CPU Mags highest Crysis score ever up to that day in the reviews :)
Before I helped them spec out builds they were getting stomped in reviews regarding performance (they already are unsupassed in external case asthetics).
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If I was bfg, I would make sure Cool it, puts a quality water cooling system in my rig. That means using better fans with high hydrostatic pressure, using a thick copper radiator, no aluminum and a stronger pump.
If I was BFG and was going to go the custom route with good water cooling parts off the shelf, I would have to charge atleast 2.5 grand more to get the cooling I wanted. It might sound outrageous. But really the labor on such a system would be quite expensive and you would probably need another power supply dedicated to the cooling system and the water system itself would be around the 1500 dollar mark.
radiators(2 pa120.3 or fezers and a pa140.1) 300
2 pumps 150
2 pump tops 50
tubing 35 dollars
cpu block 75
GPU blocks 450
reservoir's 40
Fittings and barbs 100.
Fans 100
pump/fan controller 100 dollars.
Meanwell Power supply 60
1460 this is at retail pricing.
But I can't imagine the wholesale pricing being that good on water stuff.
I would love if a vendor put this type of stuff in a system but I don't think its commercially possible. The type of people that are going to buy this and not build it themselves are going to be people who don't know a incredible amount about water cooling.
They will also not know how expensive water cooling is and might simply think water is water. Price is still somewhat a factor to them. The only thing that could partially justify the high price to them in terms they could understand is an overclock. Otherwise they might go with something like the cool it system found in the BFG because of the lower price.
Even to the rich person a 500 dollar water systems looks pretty attractive compared to one that cost $3000 because they have no idea what that extra 2500 dollar gets them.
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I can imagine those Velociraptors are quite a racket. My 1 raptor by itself is quite loud. I hate it.
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great analysis tajoh. Another thing to consider: BFG has not indicated they will follow XFX and Palit in offering ATI and NVIDIA gpus. A boutique that is restricted to on flavour of gpu is at an extreme competitive disadvatage.
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The GTX285 for physx is a ridiculous overkill.. several tests show that a 9600GT won't be stressed with physX-enabled games.
But for CUDA/OpenCL/DX11 Computing that thing should be a beast.
