Thank you guys for clearifying that for me "am2+ vs am3 mobo" looks like i will wait for the am3 mobo then i think the Ph2 will be great with ddr 3 :-)
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Thank you guys for clearifying that for me "am2+ vs am3 mobo" looks like i will wait for the am3 mobo then i think the Ph2 will be great with ddr 3 :-)
:p: people keep asking and that is as clear is it gets LOL....:DQuote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
yea just pretty funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by charged3800z24
guys heres a picture of what an am3 chip will look like. im hoping that this will be a good enough source since my past ones obviously don't satisfy everyone. http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1376703
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...omputers/2.jpg
I have no idea why AMD would resocket the AM3's. But the link I supplied even has hyperlinks to AMD's White Papers on K10, and it references DDR3 thoughout the whole document.Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/31116.pdf
Like I said, who knows if it was tested or if boards will ever support DDR3 with AM2+ chips, but the extra controller was oviously included on the K10.
Unless ofcourse AMD doesn't know how their chips were built... :cool:
both am3 chips and am2+ chips are both k10s. my guess is that the socket am3 was built because ddr3 and ddr2 can't both be run on the same board in the same ram slots. im guessing they took out the extra two pins so an am2+ cpu couldn't fit in there which would cause a lot of problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
It would only make sence that AM2+ Ph2 is actualy the same CPU as AM3 Ph2. It is very cost efective that way and most likely was done because they needed to get deneb out but the DDR3 boards were not ready soon enuff. It is very probable that you can drop a AM2+ 940 in a AM3 board with DDR3. Then AMD will use higher NB and HT speeds on the AM3 CPU's to provide higher performance over AM2+ CPU's.
yeah, same reason they went from 939 to AM2..because of DDR and DDR2. This time it is a better transition. Since you can still use the AM3 CPUs in the AM2+ boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
it was my understanding that nb speed would be the same on am2+ boards as it would be on am3 boards since they will both be using the same chipset. if am2+ denebs support ddr3 is there a difference between am2+ and am3? i guess it could be possible but i don't know why they would do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by G0ldBr1ck
Chew* might be correct that AM3 is indeed 940 "holes" socket.So we would have(my speculation of course! :) ):
Sockets(: "holes"):
AM2 : 940
AM2+ : 940
AM3 : 940 (not 938)
CPUs(: pins):
AM2+ Phenom I : 940(DDR2 controller only;DDR3 listed in specs but not supported)
AM2+ Phenom II : 940(DDR2/DDR3 controller;goes in AM2(+) and possibly AM3 boards if the AM3 socket is indeed 940 pin compatible and not 938pins/holes only!)
AM3 Phenom II : 938 (DDR2/DDR3 controller;goes in all AM2(+)/AM3 boards since it is physically and electrically compatible with those sockets)
Speculation/ OFF :D
Because they cant afford to wait longer for deneb launch and this would be much more cost efective then 2 diffrent designs, tooling, etc...... I would speculate that at worst if they dont want AM2+ to work in AM3 they Disabled DDR3 controler on AM2+ Phenom.Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
yes its entirely possible just im trying to see a reason why they would make two sockets when the chips are exactly the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
am3 only 938 pin!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by lo squartatore
i post picture already look it.
Nope.... Roofsniper is correctQuote:
Originally Posted by lo squartatore
Please stop the silliness. Get your facts straight. Stop arguing, go somewhere else:down:Quote:
Originally Posted by lo squartatore
You is win! Too pinnings is miss!Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
its not just me there are many others saying it as well. and there is proof all over the web from this. pictures, articles, more forum threads. it is a proven fact that am3 will have 938 pins.Quote:
Originally Posted by nanohead
how come he still didn't get banned?Quote:
Originally Posted by lo squartatore
Roof, what I want to see is if the phenoms II 920 & 940 that will be launched this 8th of january have 938 pins like the one at the right in the picture you posted. IMHO that is all we need to know to solve this compatibility mess.
Socket 938 AM3 will have higher HTT 3.1 support, AM2+ is not getting this I don't believe.. I am looking for where I found that info a while back...
That was the point I was trying to make (not very successfully I might add) ;)... From the documents it looks like the DDR3 controller has been there from the very 1st Phenoms. If the AM3 Mobos actually have 940 pin sockets, reguadless of the pins on the chip there is an outside chance that even a Phenom 1 would be able to run DDR3 ram on an AM3 board, and PhII's would be even more likely to... This is just my speculation ofcourse, but it looks like the circuits have been there from the very begining.. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Now that's funny man! :rofl::ROTF::rofl: :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
from the CPU-z screen shots we have seen, they read "socket AM2+ (940)"Quote:
Originally Posted by VoodooČ
Charged, I noticed that too, but is just software and is up to the author to put the correct data up there. It could be wrong and just needs an update plus it could be reading the info from the mobo not the chip. My guess is that the PII 920 & 940 have just 938 pins and they will work in AM3 mobos and this ones will have a socket for just 938 pins chips.
I think that's the mobo info in CPU-z(socket AM2+ 940 pin).
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Originally Posted by informal
Hi! just to add some wood to the speculation fire, since AM2+ Phenom II, and AM3 Phenom II both support ddr2 and ddr3, and they can be used in am2+ and am3 boards, then what is the difference betwen them ???? of course appart from the 938-940pins
Maybe higher ht link or what?