Phenom II info leaks out, AMD hints at something

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11-16-2008, 03:05 PM
Tonucci

Hope it turns out to be true.... I want it to at least match the 45nm core 2 quads in clock/clock performance and oc potential.

On a side note, i think they should drop the phenom moniker... The name is often associated with bugs, mediocre performance, high consumption, sub par OC, platform problems etc....
11-16-2008, 03:09 PM
ownage

http://bbs.chiphell.com/attachments/...4wQn51uFu0.jpg
11-16-2008, 03:11 PM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by Rammsteiner

Well, your defensive/offensive posting a long time back, which Im happy about, didnt really give a reason that you'd get an AMD anytime soon.

Maybe I say it wrong... It's like you made make us, or me at least, think you trash the CPU manufacturer you dont use as your main system at that point.

But as said, luckily that was quite a while ago already, and this post does not give you any permission to do it again, be it Intel or AMD:p:

PS, I still didnt know how to explain my point, but maybe you more or less know what I mean heh. I do know you had an AMD system though:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Why can't you just have a conversation without acting like you're AMD yourself and something said about them is personal? I thought I gave a very good reason why Deneb is ahead FOR ME. I'm looking at either of the 920's and the performance to price ratio will be the deciding factor, not some misplaced love for either company. One more time, I'm a Fan of my Wallet, not Intel or AMD's. What's so hard for you to understand about being a consumer first??:confused: Look a little closer at my negative comments made about Intel and AMD?:cool:

I'd said months ago that if AMD shipped something worth a damned I'd buy it. Now I might simply put my money where I said I would.
11-16-2008, 03:28 PM
Bo_Fox

I doubt that it can be o/c'ed to 4GHz on either air or water, otherwise AMD would be releasing a 3.2 GHz version at launch to go directly head-2-head against the i7 965.

Well, maybe only 5-10% of those cherry-picked chips can do 4GHz on water.. that's the most I can expect.
11-16-2008, 03:30 PM
ownage

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Originally Posted by Bo_Fox

I doubt that it can be o/c'ed to 4GHz on either air or water, otherwise AMD would be releasing a 3.2 GHz version at launch to go directly head-2-head against the i7 965.

TDP?
11-16-2008, 03:36 PM
Helmore

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo_Fox

I doubt that it can be o/c'ed to 4GHz on either air or water, otherwise AMD would be releasing a 3.2 GHz version at launch to go directly head-2-head against the i7 965.

Well, maybe only 5-10% of those cherry-picked chips can do 4GHz on water.. that's the most I can expect.

I think AMD knows they won't be able compete head on with the 965, from a performance perspective. A chip like that would probably not be worth it for AMD in other words.
I don't think 4 GHz. is too far to reach for AMD's Deneb, their Agena chips already do 3,5 GHz. quite often and their Deneb chips will launch at 400 MHz. faster than Agena. So it's not something that can only be done with a very small amount of chips, but it sure is not 100% guaranteed of course.
11-16-2008, 03:44 PM
Hornet331

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie27

:rolleyes:

Why can't you just have a conversation without acting like you're AMD yourself and something said about them is personal? I thought I gave a very good reason why Deneb is ahead FOR ME. I'm looking at either of the 920's and the performance to price ratio will be the deciding factor, not some misplaced love for either company. One more time, I'm a Fan of my Wallet, not Intel or AMD's. What's so hard for you to understand about being a consumer first??:confused: Look a little closer at my negative comments made about Intel and AMD?:cool:

I'd said months ago that if AMD shipped something worth a damned I'd buy it. Now I might simply put my money where I said I would.

nice one. :up:

i also dont care if the pice of hardware in my computer is green ir blue, ore even pink. :p

all that matters for me is who delivers best performance. :)
11-16-2008, 03:51 PM
[XC] Synthetickiller

I scanned the posts, so if this was covered, sorry....

Will you be able to OC in vista x64 and not be stuck with a 32bit OS for OCing? I would sell my mobo/x2 combo and buy that when it comes out for a htpc/2nd gaming pc if that's possible.
11-16-2008, 04:24 PM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

nice one. :up:

i also dont care if the pice of hardware in my computer is green ir blue, ore even pink. :p

all that matters for me is who delivers best performance. :)

That is because you guys aren't mentally unbalanced. :up:
11-16-2008, 04:27 PM
Helmore

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Originally Posted by Chad Boga

That is because you guys aren't mentally unbalanced. :up:

I swear by VIA, what does that make me? :p:

@SyntheticKiller: I don't really understand your question...
11-16-2008, 04:36 PM
AbelJemka

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo_Fox

I doubt that it can be o/c'ed to 4GHz on either air or water, otherwise AMD would be releasing a 3.2 GHz version at launch to go directly head-2-head against the i7 965.

Well, maybe only 5-10% of those cherry-picked chips can do 4GHz on water.. that's the most I can expect.

AMD seems to mimic Intel model name so i bet that there is an Phenom X4 (FX?) 965 hidden somewhere :rolleyes:
11-16-2008, 05:00 PM
qurious63ss

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Originally Posted by AbelJemka

AMD seems to mimic Intel model name so i bet that there is an Phenom X4 (FX?) 965 hidden somewhere :rolleyes:

What would it take for the FX to challenge the Ci 7 965. I don't think 3.2ghz would be enough so it would have to be 3.4ghz.
11-16-2008, 05:03 PM
halo112358

So are they pushing out only "black" processors with unlocked multi's? That's what I'm seeing in that graphic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by [XC] Synthetickiller

I scanned the posts, so if this was covered, sorry....

Will you be able to OC in vista x64 and not be stuck with a 32bit OS for OCing? I would sell my mobo/x2 combo and buy that when it comes out for a htpc/2nd gaming pc if that's possible.

Why would you be able to OC in a 32bit OS and not a 64bit OS? I'm pretty sure this isn't 2005 :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tonucci

On a side note, i think they should drop the phenom moniker... The name is often associated with bugs, mediocre performance, high consumption, sub par OC, platform problems etc.... Something that you buy if u cant afford an core 2 quad.

They have to end it with -on or -om, what do you suggest?

AMD Pimptron X4? LOLOL
11-16-2008, 05:10 PM
ColonelCain

Quote:

Originally Posted by halo112358

So are they pushing out only "black" processors with unlocked multi's? That's what I'm seeing in that graphic.

Why would you be able to OC in a 32bit OS and not a 64bit OS? I'm pretty sure this isn't 2005 :P

1) That is what it has been since they launched Phenom, so I would assume as much.

2) He is talking about compatibility for the AOD (Stands for AMD overdrive I think) utility in X64.

As to that, I don't know.

As to the topic:
This is somewhat convincing for me. However, I should probably get to RMA'ing my E8400 so I can actually utilize the rig that I started building last Christmas before I even THINK about buying new parts. :shrug:
11-16-2008, 05:21 PM
charged3800z24

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColonelCain

1) That is what it has been since they launched Phenom, so I would assume as much.

2) He is talking about compatibility for the AOD (Stands for AMD overdrive I think) utility in X64.

As to that, I don't know.

As to the topic:
This is somewhat convincing for me. However, I should probably get to RMA'ing my E8400 so I can actually utilize the rig that I started building last Christmas before I even THINK about buying new parts. :shrug:

What he means is, that most Phenom chips now have less headroom in 64bit OS's. Some around 200mhz less. I had this with my 9850BE... but oddly not the 9950BE, which was actually stable @ 3.4ghz. 3.3ghz was most stable in 32bit.
11-16-2008, 05:30 PM
demonkevy666

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Originally Posted by charged3800z24

What he means is, that most Phenom chips now have less headroom in 64bit OS's. Some around 200mhz less. I had this with my 9850BE... but oddly not the 9950BE, which was actually stable @ 3.4ghz. 3.3ghz was most stable in 32bit.

yeah I know first hand my 9850 here dose 3.1ghz in XP but vista 64 bit 2.8ghz.
11-16-2008, 05:58 PM
Glow9

I just hope AM3 mobos are nice, like real nice if these chips don't compete with i7s. I'm still real happy to see 8mb of cache
11-16-2008, 06:05 PM
Utnorris

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Originally Posted by Solus Corvus

This is really good news for AMD (and the enthusiast consumer) if true. But you guys might want to curb your enthusiasm a little. These are just slides after all, not benches.

100% agree with this, until we see some head-to-head benches, slides and pie charts mean nothing.

On a different note, 3Ghz or 4Ghz doesn't mean jack if it isn't in the same league as the competition's 3Ghz or 4Ghz chips. I remember when a comapny, not to long ago, changed from listing the speed of the chip to what they felt it equated to the competion's chip based on benches and such. An 2000XP chip was supposed to be equivelent to an Intel 2Ghz chip even though it only ran at 1.6Ghz or such. Maybe Intel should do this, of course there wouldn't be any AMD chips that would match up based on their current line up. For AMD to get me to jump back on board with them, they will need their version of the C2D revolution where the new chip jumped so far out in front of everything on the market it wasn't funny.

Hopefully, this will be AMD's C2D moment and they will finally be competive again. As of right now, they aren't even the value leader since even the base Intel Quads do better than the best AMD quads. Now that I7's are out, I really do not see how AMD can get back into the game, but maybe this will do it for them. I do like the idea that they are not abandoning DDR2 quite yet like Intel is. Maybe that's a good sign.
11-16-2008, 06:06 PM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

nice one. :up:

i also dont care if the pice of hardware in my computer is green ir blue, ore even pink. :p

all that matters for me is who delivers best performance. :)

Just as most consumers do:up: We saw this forum go from Intel to AMD and then back to Intel. Why wouldn't it swing again? I mean a real swing back to AMD and not a made up or imagined one.:D

Now honestly, do you think Intel would hold off on Mainstream and Budget Nehalems if AMD had better products on the market? Or even if AMD had higher Volumes of Mid to Low range products? Competition is a must!
11-16-2008, 06:08 PM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by Chad Boga

That is because you guys aren't mentally unbalanced. :up:

:rofl::ROTF::clap: Good one!
11-16-2008, 06:21 PM
AbelJemka

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Originally Posted by qurious63ss

What would it take for the FX to challenge the Ci 7 965. I don't think 3.2ghz would be enough so it would have to be 3.4ghz.

I never say the word challenge...
11-16-2008, 06:58 PM
JumpingJack

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Originally Posted by demonkevy666

yeah I know first hand my 9850 here dose 3.1ghz in XP but vista 64 bit 2.8ghz.

Same here, my OC is about 200 MHz lower in 64-bit Vista.
11-16-2008, 07:09 PM
Sparky

If this is true... heck even if it is only partly true and 3.8GHz and beyond is only reachable with water - I am quite interested and would replace my q6600 with this :up: my q6600 only does 3.2GHz fully stable anyway. I went intel after being AMD for so long and I get an 'ok' clocking chip, booooo :p: Back to AMD :lol2:
11-16-2008, 11:37 PM
gallag

If deneb really rocks it will be amazing to see how fast the review sites become unbiased again and stop being paid Intel pumpers in some peoples eyes lol. Reviews and benches will start to matter again and performance of the cpu will actually become important again, AHHH good times.
11-16-2008, 11:45 PM
Zytek_Fan

Just something to think about.
AMD HAS to be pull it off with Deneb.
After the horrible failure of Phenom, they absolutely have to bring something competitive to the table in order to sustain themselves, at the least.
The expectations are high, and they are rightly so.

This is a kind of market that needs more than just one player to sustain itself and keep on innovating.
I'm quite sure AMD realizes this completely and is doing what they can.

Just my 2 cents.

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