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What are your temps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bei Fei
Interesting stuff.
I know I will get bashed for saying this but lessons are boring today so I feel I can actually write what I think.
What is the point of this thread?
If this was supposed to make people laugh and it did to some extent then it belongs to the appropriate section in the forum. As far as I know this section is dedicated to water cooling and I see no addition, no benefit gained from publicly trashing pre-made and assembled kits. Some people buy these kits in the hopes of adding to their system, to feel "modders" or attempt to become "overclockers". Should you really attack these products or those who buy them for the sake of having a laugh?
If you start a thread like this, with this title then it means that you are perfectly aware that the product performs below par compared to custom systems. Those who will post here and have a laugh will agree with you but those who actually bought these kits will be too embarrassed to ask and seek guidance by posting their doubts.
I've seen in my limited time in this forum so many "experts" propose work builds or even suggestions concerning technical solutions which offered nothing but a showcase of expensive and banal hardware put together with the occasional choice of a specific theme or "innovative" solution concerning component placement. I am not criticizing this per se but it just seems so evident that most are just trashing these kits and have never added to the section by proposing solutions which did not involve spending truckloads of money.
I am with [XC] kayin on this one. For most it is just a question of spending money. Of having everything shipped to you in nice boxes and the losing less than a couple of hours assembling your own, expensive and really not impressive kits. No originality, no real "contribution" just "copy and paste" with the subsequent approval of all the community.
I am sorry to have to say this but it started with the kid who left because of the fanboism, it has precedent in the thread about the total "noob" at sli forums and it continues with this pointless trashing. I am a total noob and even though I have a system which outperforms 90% of other liquid cooling systems while running almost passive I still don't feel comfortable offending those who have spent money in search of some satisfaction which possibly never came due to the technical limitations of the kits themselves.
Hopefully the trend will change...
@ Alexontherocks
Stop being a TROLL and trying to get this thread closed by trying to make out something malicious has been implied in a thread when it has been nothing but light hearted and friendly joking.
No person or forum member was bullied or picked on and at no point during this thread was it implied what a person should or shouldn't buy with their own Intuition , time and Money.
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I am sorry for the following quotes and no individual beef is intended. I am not criticizing the thread itself but rather the fact that more and more of these threads start to appear in the section where attention should be giving to solutions rather than having good laughs at the expense of those who make mistakes (as I know I have).
does not need explanation.....Quote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider
point of this post? Where does it take us? Where does it take people reading this post and who have actually bought the kit? the would implies no testing has been done so again....point of ridiculing the product and indirectly those who bought it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tile
I don't understand this faithbased anti-brand attitude. What is the point for this to be in a liquid cooled section?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solidsnake666
again point of this post? Would any beginner, having bought the kit, actually be not too embrarassed to ask for help if the results are not the ones desired?Quote:
Originally Posted by iandh
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Originally Posted by iandh
This thread IMHO should go into a different section. I was pointing out that there is little point in having these discussions if the objective is to ridicule those who buy the "crap" or chose not to buy an ek supreme, a ddc with top, a few hundred other expensive bits and pieces. There are some interesting posts but also the aforementioned ones..If I were a new member of the forum or someone wanting to come to the section and ask for help I'd appreciate any information but wouldn't feel so comfortable asking questions when I know I would be laughed at....
I will not add anything more to this thread. I just hope I made my point.
Again I intended no disrespect to the individuals so don not feel this is a personal attack. I also find that some products are underpeformers/ugly/etc but I'd rather have these discussions in sections where people will not be forced to be ashamed of their last buy or will be intimidated into not asking the questions they would otherwise ask.
No offense taken...I have been MIA for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Kayin
Eons ago, I think the point of threads like this was fairly straightforward -- try to keep people from wasting their money as gear of the same type in the past would lead to nothing but frustration and usually a fried system when the cheap pump included with the kit died or it sprank a dozen leaks due to mixed or cheap metals. Of course, that was back in the day when anyone who was considering watercooling was already on the verge of become an xtreme cooling fanatic. The market for aftermarket H2O gear was virtually nonexistent and we could beat down nonsensical cooling solutions by word of mouth in the forums fairly quickly...they died almost as quickly as they sprang up.
LOL - I admit it - I am a dinosaur - the first watercooling system I built was for a computer whose speed was measured in mhz because ghz was unthinkable. I made all the parts because there was no place to buy them. Now you can find a dozen different water blocks for just about any cpu in five minutes on the Internet.
Anyway, there are now so many pre-made/all-in-one type kits (some of which may not entirely suck) that trying to keep people from buying them is likely pointless. Hence, you are likely right -- it is a more positive approach to try to help the folks who have purchased them so they don't end up with a case of sour grapes insofar as liquid cooling is concerned -- in the process, maybe educate them a little so they end up with better gear on the next try.
still, some of these damn things are goofy enough to warrant a thread poking fun at them...otherwise, this one wouldn't already be on the third or forth page. :D None should take offense to some of us poking fun at some of this gear as, more likely than not, all of us have bought some nonsensical gear in the past and we are laughing at ourselves as much as anything else.
Here's what the problem is even though this thread was meant to light hearted. All the trashing, bashing, ego's, and hate that has been running rampant in this section has made it so people looking for help won't post. Now it's come to a head and more and more people are speaking out against it. So even this attempt at humor has rubbed some the wrong way.
Maybe considering the feelings and need of others will put the section back to where and how it needs to be.
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Originally Posted by Alexontherocks
Alex:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexontherocks
Everyone has a perspective on what is the best setup and what isn't.
To you it was taking two retail WB's, a couple retail high end pumps and instead of buying radiators designed for this you used some from an Audi.
That's fine and I'm sure it worked well but it really is within the parameters of what people suggest here.
Good blocks,good pumps and a good sized radiator.
The main things that the members complain about are the mixing of metals and these "All in one" solutions that are just not that good and the guys say so.
It only seems like it gets said over and over because there is a never ending stream of new uneducated people who come here, don't take any time to read the sticky's and then ask:
'Critique my system" and have a copper block with an aluminum radiator or are trying to cool a 200w cpu with a undersized set of parts all in the hope of saving money.
You get what you pay for and I can see that you agree with that as you have top blocks(expensive) and pumps(expensive) in your own system.
"With ONLY ONE PUMP! It's capable of removing 750W"Quote:
Originally Posted by Digz
:rofl:
"It has a mirror finish so it will make excellent contact with the CPU"
:rofl:
Oh dear...
Eh I like DIY wc builds because it not only shows innovation but has that personal touch. I mean we don't run out and buy the same cases like we do with water blocks. I'm not too sure where I'm going with this but I would make and use my own cpu block if I had the necessary skill set and equipment to do so. Sure it might be 6C crapper but it's mine and mine only. With the heatcore issue I guess I'm standing on the same side of the fence again. If I had one around or something I would try to use it.
As somebody pointed out it doesn't help it having a plastic mount so it has no mounting pressure :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by .Logic
http://www.northq.com/img/pics/nq3580_04_640.jpg
Maybe one of them 200cfm delta fans would help :p:
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Therein is the possibility of a really fun competition for the XS watercooling section. Drop back to the early days of H2O cooling...build a complete cooling loop with parts gathered from the local hardware store, the autoparts store and the aquarium shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by MomijiTMO
If I recall correctly, the first H2O cooling system I ever saw (in person at least) was a first gen mag pump with a transmission cooler, a tupperware res, a block carved out of aluminum from the salvage yard with fittings stuck into it with JB weld or the like...all hooked together with vinyl tubing from ACE hardware. It worked better than any air cooler at the time. Surely we could come up with something much more impressive from the local shops nowdays without having to resort to any actual "watercooling gear"...as onlinemetals ships to anywhere...we may have to cheat and consider them a "local shop" :)
The thing is that now wc is normal [seeing that I'm doing it], companies have products out at a fraction of the price it would cost me to make my own. It's guaranteed to do identical cooling with each block and the best thing is you fork out 70 bucks and there it is. With like 6 + big players, prices are competitive.
I hate to say it but I have 0 of the tools used here so you may be able to see my point XD.
:ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Digz
That's classic (really it is, brings back memories) and so amazingly ghetto...
I kind of feel for the guy, he must have wasted a LOT of money of copper :D
I guess he had the same idea alot of people do when the first start watercooling "I want all my hardware to get cold water so I'll put the in parallel" :p:
I bet he had fun though, good on him for giving it a try :up:
I see the point and just to reply to the opinions you expressed about my system: the pumps were scavenged from a dismissed production plant. One used to move some nasty liquid around so it was cleaned and opened for inspection in every way. Also I paid very little for both of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
I had to build a relay switch and a secondary switch for the pumps. No big deal but still...
I researched the tubing thoroughly and came up with a solution which envolves a very kink resistant rubber type material. I can't remember the exact name off the top of my head but I had to look for it in various stores (none were computer related)
Then I had to find a solution for cramping both radiators together and minimizing the number of custom metal bits and pieces to adapt the tubing. Again not a big deal but I did something more than clicking "checkout".
The only thing I paid for was the ek supreme because honestly I did not have the tools to to otherwise.
I also experimented with positioning fans under rather than across the radiators and with a fraction of the noise and the wattage I have exceptionally good results. 4 fans running at 6v will yield the same performance as 2 summer ventilators directly placed in front of the radiators.
Also how many people you think actually know what takes place in a loop when you mix metals? Many just repeat what they read and that is it....I would imagine many would actually try to justify their assertions pointing out that corrosion will happen within the copper. Sure....you see black but is that really corrosion? I am just trying to make a point and I intend no disrespect to anyone.
Don't take this the wrong way but don't you think something is wrong if my original post is now one among several on the same lines?
I am sorry if this seems to be an attempt to start a bashing contest but trust me, there are forums out there which are now positively a showcase for commercial products. Anything and anyone stepping out of the line will get torn to shreds by the so called community of "experts".
Xtremesystems is better than this.
Dare say it weighed a fare bit too :DQuote:
Originally Posted by .Logic
Thats what a hobby is aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by .Logic
spend time on something that we enjoy, regardless of the actual usefulness or performance :ROTF:
Yet another all in one.
Auras Conditioner (GTO-990) all in one watercooller.
http://www.auras.com.tw/ppdtView.asp?nid=210
http://www.auras.com.tw/imgs/b_produ...1214114942.jpg
http://www.auras.com.tw/imgs/b_produ...7116124232.jpg
http://www.auras.com.tw/imgs/b_produ...7116124233.jpg
http://www.auras.com.tw/imgs/b_produ...7116124234.jpg
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WOW Digz, That's absolutely ghetto pimipin there. :rofl:
Wonder why they keep sticking the pumps on top of the blocks where it can vibrate and make a noise via the block mounts ? :rolleyes:
Lack of creativity? :shrug:
that last one looks like an oversized, watercooled, pacemaker...must be for elephants with heart problems in really hot climates.