Thermochill rad flux cleanup

R3, You don't have a problem because YOU TOOK A INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME TO CLEAN IT OFF !!!

Here's my own experience : I bought the TC radiator directly from the TC factory in the UK (cheaper than ordering from the US) and when I got it, I did a normal cleanup, flushing about 3-4 gallons of water and shaking a bit. I setup the loop and let it run without problems. 3 weeks later, the tubing is getting brown/greenish even if I used distilled water + PT Nuke only so I disassembled it, tried to flush the radiator just to notice the water is still trouble ! I spend the whole evening flushing it with BOILING WATER from the kettle, shaked it a lot and let it sit for 30 mins each time. I did it until the water coming out of the radiator in the glass is still transparent. After this, it works fine and the reservoir remained clean (I replaced the tubing with Tygon R-3400 at the same time).

Now, I recently bought a HWLabs Black Ice GTX 240 for my HTPC box and I did 40 mins of cleaning just to notice the water is almost always clean each time I flushed. I setup a test loop with all the components and after 1 month of running, it's still clean. This is what I expect TC to do and they are too lazy, despite the high price.

Beside the cleaning issue, I love the TC radiator and I'll keep it until it leak (not for 10 years for sure). Your attempts to defend based on YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE only is not necessarily a good idea because the majority will agree with me and navanod about the TC cleaning issue. Those who say that it's a issue with chemical reaction, I'm a strong believer of distilled water only with PT Nuke (1 drop per liter).

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Originally Posted by Xilikon

Now, I recently bought a HWLabs Black Ice GTX 240 for my HTPC box and I did 40 mins of cleaning just to notice the water is almost always clean each time I flushed.

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Same thing with my BIX 480GT. HWLabs does it right. Thermochill's QA is total and utter shyte.

Wait what? I was saying that this kind of cleaning should Not be seen as excessive and instead recommended for all who want to use these rads, instead of just telling people its their fault. You didn't apparently seem to agree in the post I assume you deleted at the bottom of the last page.

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Originally Posted by Zaskar

Well that answers the question about whether or not you actually want to be constructive.

Please, continue crapping on threads, and insulting others like your some sort of expert.

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The above has some truth to it.

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Originally Posted by IanY

Why can't Thermochill bloody sell clean radiators? I would gladly pay $20 more per radiator to avoid this whole hassle of flux and flushing.

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No kidding...they should come flushed and clean already..:shrug:

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Originally Posted by RealRedRaider

IYO, what I did to clean MY ThermoChill PA radiators, seems excessive to YOU...

I did my research, prior to choosing to spend MY $$$ on ThermoChill radiators. Therefore, I knew what I was going to do to clean them before I even bought them.

@Zaskar....

I believe I have repeatedly stated, contrary to your statements, what I did to clean my PA radiators, on multiple threads..??

If you don't want to spend time cleaning your radiator(s), prior to using them, then buy something besides ThermoChill radiators...

It's that easy.....

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I bought it in fall 2007 and not a lot of people posted infos about how crappy TC did the flushing so most of us learned the hard way about this. You came here much later so you already have the previous experience of others so you know what you are getting ;)

Now that TFC, HWLabs and Swiftech seems to be good alternatives by Martinm210's reviews, TC is now becoming a overpriced dirty radiator and this is a bit unacceptable. See Martinm210's comment above my post to show what I'm telling.

EDIT : To clarify my point, the beef with TC radiators is that others which is priced similarly or cheaper, are all much more cleaner than TC. For the price we pay, we expect them to do some good flushing, which would be easy to do since they also do leak checking.

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Originally Posted by Zaskar

Well that answers the question about whether or not you actually want to be constructive.

Please, continue crapping on threads, and insulting others like your some sort of expert.

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I suppose you don't appreciate my contrarian viewpoints :) Well, get used to my differences in opinion from a general consensus. I have questioned and butted heads with almost every expert on XS that you can name, including Cathar and Marci. As much as I irritated them, they have heard from me many times. My persistent reminders as to TC cleaning and paint, etc., is one of the main reasons why Marci disappeared from XS. Therefore, don't for a moment believe that I'm TC's little fanboy. I have been as hard on TC as I can ever be, and you wouldn't imagine how rough I was on Marci.

Now, as to plasticizers, none of that has ever been an issue with me. I will not own a EK Supreme, no matter what, because I disagree with its construction. Even though Naekuh champions its design, its not for me, so I probably will never own one. Therefore, the clogging concerns are not present for me. I haven't seen the internals of the Apogee GTZ, so I cannot yet come to any conclusions. However, knowing that its an impingement based block makes me shun away from it too.

Anyway, there is always a diversity of opinions on XS, and many people use the opinion of the experts here as a barometer for their decision making. I don't and never will. Another instance is the "1 GPM of flow is plenty and 1.5 GPM is excellent" viewpoint. I would say 4 out of 5 experts on XS believe that. I'm no expert, but I just laugh.

:D Thats great and all man, but wasn't referring to you, it was to the post above mine from RRR that he deleted :P

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Originally Posted by IanY

I suppose you don't appreciate my contrarian viewpoints :) Well, get used to my differences in opinion from a general consensus. I have questioned and butted heads with almost every expert on XS that you can name, including Cathar and Marci. As much as I irritated them, they have heard from me many times. My persistent reminders as to TC cleaning and paint, etc., is one of the main reasons why Marci disappeared from XS. Therefore, don't for a moment believe that I'm TC's little fanboy. I have been as hard on TC as I can ever be, and you wouldn't imagine how rough I was on Marci.

Now, as to plasticizers, none of that has ever been an issue with me. I will not own a EK Supreme, no matter what, because I disagree with its construction. Even though Naekuh champions its design, its not for me, so I probably will never own one. Therefore, the clogging concerns are not present for me. I haven't seen the internals of the Apogee GTZ, so I cannot yet come to any conclusions. However, knowing that its an impingement based block makes me shun away from it too.

Anyway, there is always a diversity of opinions on XS, and many people use the opinion of the experts here as a barometer for their decision making. I don't and never will. Another instance is the "1 GPM of flow is plenty and 1.5 GPM is excellent" viewpoint. I would say 4 out of 5 experts on XS believe that. I'm no expert, but I just laugh.

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I would strongly disagree with that. :yepp:

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Originally Posted by RealRedRaider

What post ???? :shrug:

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The one that was post 73, if you didn't delete it then I guess a mod did.

You remember, the one where you quoted all of post 72 and just responded with the "That was gay" emote.

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Originally Posted by [XC] riptide

I would strongly disagree with that. :yepp:

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Then there's something that I am not aware of :yepp:

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is one of the main reasons why Marci disappeared from XS.

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Remove head from arse please. I got a new job, simple as that - you ain't THAT important to my life and posting habits d00d.

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Originally Posted by Marci

Remove head from arse please. I got a new job, simple as that - you ain't THAT important to my life and posting habits d00d.

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epic burn:lol2::lol2:

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Originally Posted by RealRedRaider

You HAVE $$$ = Better performing ThermoChill radiators :up:

There, that wasn't so hard, was it......:clap:

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Don't you mean Feser radiators? :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Martinm210

No kidding...they should come flushed and clean already..:shrug:

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QFT, especially outside of america where they dont sell gallons of distilled water at every corner.

For the premium you pay for TC rads you should expect a more finished product. There is absolutely no reason for this product or any other to come to market needing this much after perches care before it is usable.

These Rads in there current state should be deem completely unacceptable
and why they are not is beyond all logic. :shakes:

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Originally Posted by RealRedRaider

@Menace...

You don't own a TC rad, yet you continue to beat them down, WOW...

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A fool can learn from his own mistakes but it takes a WISE man to learn from the mistakes of others

Still u got an GTS 360 X-flow....

Seriously, why are u bashing the TC rads...? They have been kings for years and still is one of the 2 best rads out there...

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Originally Posted by naokaji

QFT, especially outside of america where they dont sell gallons of distilled water at every corner.

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I wouldn't stress the "Distilled" issue, just use tap water. While I do make sure I run distilled water in my loop, I don't bother when flushing.

I think we're all anal about that, noone has proven that using tapwater for flushing anything is going to hurt anything. Pick up your favorite car radiator flush kit, does is say hook up your hose to your favorite distilled pressure system?

My vote for cleaning a rad is, buy a hose nipple for your faucet, crank it on hot and let it do it's thing into your sink basin. Then reverse flush, do that back and forth a few times and if it makes you happy dump some distilled down after your tap water flushing.

I've never bothered using distilled water for flushing and never had any problems..:shrug:

I'd recommend flushing with hot tap water really well both directions then shake out the tap water and finish off with a little distilled in there. It seems like you can get much better cleaning by a nice hot high flow rate out of your faucet both directions than you can boiling the rad in a pan of water?