Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo112358
If I get a gaming PC for my new computer, I'm going with Auzentech or Asus. :yepp:
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Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo112358
If I get a gaming PC for my new computer, I'm going with Auzentech or Asus. :yepp:
With Prelude all you get is higher quality hardware. The drivers them self still come from Creative.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo112358
The Asus Xonar D2X as EAX supportQuote:
Originally Posted by HellasVagabond
- PCI EXPRESS interface
- VISTA Gaming with DirectSound & EAX support
- Hi-Fi class audio quality with SNR up to 118dB
- Dolby HomeTheater Technologies & DTS Connect
- Valuable Cakewalk and Ableton Live music production software bundled
And the drivers work very well in vista :D
Link
All third party companies can support EAX 1 & 2 through OpenAL, however EAX HD is off limits.Quote:
Originally Posted by HellasVagabond
If Creative keeps going down hill ASUS can buy the whole company not just its IP.
have you seen how big the thread on creative's web site has gotten? very nice! my next sound card will be an asus one.
i hope that asus or NV dosnt buy creative they just need to get an integrated sound chip and get some oem support like they once had with descreat cards
im hoping that via can get creatives ip, the make the best sound chips right now but they dont make cards so it would make for better allround products
I hope Creative go out of business I hate them now.
SourceQuote:
On March 5th, 1998[1], Creative Labs sued Aureal for patent infringement. Aureal countersued because they believed Creative was guilty of patent infringement. After numerous lawsuits Aureal won a favorable ruling in December 1999, which vindicated Aureal from these patent infringement claims, but the legal costs were too high and Aureal filed for bankruptcy. On September 21st, 2000, Creative acquired Aureal's assets from its bankruptcy trustee for US$ 32 million. The purchase included patents, trademarks, other property, as well as a release to Creative from any infringement by Creative of Aureal's intellectual property including A3D. The purchase effectively eliminated Creative's only competition in the gaming audio market. It also eliminated any requirements for Creative to pay past or future royalties as well as damages for products which incorporated Aureal's technology.
What messed up is the first time I switched away from creative labs, I brought a hercules Game Theater Xp 7.1 and Then had to by an creative labs X-fi because hercules did not want to support any of the 64bit MS OSes. I checked out Asus' audio cards yesterday and they have 64bit xp/vista support.
http://www.asus.com.tw/products.aspx?l1=25
i have an old Aureal Vortex down in the basement, basic card, but the sound quality was actually quite good for what it was.
Here is a a fun fact: Most on board sound chips, the chip it self is actually quite good, its usually the craptastic DACs and op-amps motherboard manufacturers use that make on board sound so bad.
That's exactly why the Asus Xonar works so good :)Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Lead Head
The news is spreading fast on the net.
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...driver-debacle
http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncateg...9/picture1.jpgSourceQuote:
Creative: Fixing Our Crippled Sound Card Drivers Is "Stealing our Goods"
Creative Labs, makers of sound cards that still don't work properly with Windows Vista, doesn't want fixed versions of its broken drivers on the net.
In a message to "Daniel_K," who repaired their broken software, Creative Labs' Phil O'Shaughnessy claims that by restoring functionality to Vista drivers that's offered in Windows XP versions, he is a thief:
"By enabling our technology and IP to run on sound cards for which it was not originally offered or intended, you are in effect, stealing our goods," writes O'Shaughnessy at Creative's forums.
Granted, Daniel_K is soliciting donations. Furthermore, the gear's EULA specifies, as is usual, that you can't tamper with its software. But why would a company set out to prevent people from helping one another fix problems in hardware it's already sold them?
The answer is the sad one you've probably learned to expect: O'Shaughnessy admits that Creative Labs intentionally crippled its Vista drivers as a business strategy:
"If we choose to develop and provide host-based processing features with certain sound cards and not others, that is a business decision that only we have the right to make."
Baffling, yes, but also its prerogative. You can easily find the fixed drivers.
Thread [Creative Forums via BBG. Fixed drivers via Gizmodo]
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5229/xfi2xa8.jpg
My effort :)
LOL, priceless! :rofl:
That pic is actually pretty accurately describing Creative's scenario at the moment, a sinking POS! :p:
Dibbs! On the office chairs and coffee filters when they go out of business.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelly
thats was predictable
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/sh....php?t=1913839
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1032290128
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article...8/03/29/046201
http://forums.amd.com/game/messagevi...threadid=93737
http://www.moonbuggy.org/archive/200...e-to-daniel_k/
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article...46201&from=rss
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/29/c...wn-vista-driv/
http://www.driverheaven.net/audio-ge...ml#post1135220
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.ph...entry589299807
http://www.toc-gaming.co.uk/blog/Per...c0056a0bd.aspx
http://forums.somethingawful.com/sho...readid=2810860
and so on ......
regards
dont forgetQuote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
http://forums.overclockersclub.com/i...howtopic=79214
:)
thats pathetic, what a bunch of idiots
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5483/creativesz3.jpg
from user artfuldodga45 in the same creative threadhere's another from artfuldodga45Quote:
Trashed.
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6990/zenstonere6.jpg
Good. I bought the Creative Zen (one with screen). It felt like a toy, and the features advertised on the box were not included!
Piece of :banana::banana::banana::banana:! Returned it to the store.
I bought a Cowon iAudio D2 instead. Awesome player!
BTW. I am loving the :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing bananas instead of the standard censoring. :clap: :up:
False, misleading title. Please change it! *grins*
Quote:
Originally Posted by safan80
That card in the garbage was still clean and untouched. It did not even touch the cigarette ash, as it is resting atop a CD-R container, upwards at an angle.
Come on, a geniuine picture! I always hated Creative Labs drivers/software, and have stuck to onboard audio ever since Nvidia's wonderful Soundstorm.
Oh man, Creative is definitely going to have hell to pay for this one :rofl:
Obviously its wrong to ask for donation for a property yourself didnt develop.
Obviously its wrong to alter drivers that a company put out since no one knows if that will break your OS or card.
Obviously Creative cant support the hardware they produced.
Obviously again they have a really bad update for drivers and support to the hardware are slow and nonexistent.
If you put out hardware I expect as a coustomer to be provided with drivers regulary that makes the hardware run better and fix bugs continiously.
But the software are often neglected, DICE the swedish company relased BF2 which still have so many bugs and still sucks more than 2 years after release where the support have been left out.
I am sure there can be a long list of companies who obviously dont know what is important for people who buy the hardware or software they sell.
Some blame pirates, well if the software makers as Unreal would make games that actually did something fun for a change then i guess piracy wouldnt be an issue.
I read Tim Sweeneys comments and he still makes the same game 10 years later just with enhance visual qualites which are impressing for a minute, then its the same old fps shooter.
If its their flagship I guess they are sinking deeply with the creative thinking software companies use today.
I am simple, I buy something and expect things to work out of the box. I am updating drivers regulrary since I wont stand stuff that dont work.
I am also thinking about the people who dont update stuff often, who often run into BSOD and other inferior software for products they bought but never got a manual in how to update the software in a simple way.
Its a coustomer market not a sellers one.
AMD might finnaly got around to find that out.
Motorola RAZR2 V8.Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
I've been trying to calm things down on that forum, it's been complete madness. Basically people are ignoring everything that has been said and are jumping to conclusions.
I agree that Creative were wrong publicly issuing a cease and desist to Daniel_K however, there was also other stuff said which NONE of the News sites have bothered to report.
For example, they are not having a go at Daniel_K for his tremendous Audigy Support Pack which enabled Audigy users to user their cards on Vista.
They are getting their knickers in a twist over his Dolby Digital Live unlocker for X-Fi, which basically hacked exclusive an Auzentech Prelude feature. Auzentech paid a lot of money for an exclusive licence with Dolby to have their cards support the encoder. Now thanks to Daniel_K's hack people who purchased bare basic X-Fi cards could also use this feature. No doubt contracts and money was exchanged between Auzentech and Creative to ensure it was a Prelude feature. So Daniel_K's drivers (being advertised on the Creative Forum), could get Creative into trouble if they allow the distribution of that driver to continue.
I must reiterate that the AUDIGY SUPPORT PACK is still allowed so people CAN use their Audigy cards on Vista.
John