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12-09-2007, 03:56 PM
mstp2009

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Originally Posted by Lightman

Because this is 3D section? Because you can't compare CPU in games without GPU involvement?

Can't you all understand that BOTH Phenom and Yorkfield machines was running exactly same GFX card at the same clocks on the same driver?
What is different in that test from testing games on same GFX card with same settings and drivers?

Geez!!

I found this test informative and interesting. I can make my own conclusions from it, if someone can't then should stay away from this thread.

Thanks Macci! :)

So basically, in a GPU benchmark, we are supposed to take home that this video card is NOT bound by the CPU.

Gee, that's . . . . pretty much expected in a GPU benchmark.
12-09-2007, 04:11 PM
KTE

You can ask Sami for the CPU score. Nothing wrong with that at all and I don't mind seeing it too... :D But keep in mind platform does make a difference with benchmark results, sometimes a few hundred points easily.
12-09-2007, 05:10 PM
macci

Quote:

Why are we comparing CPUs using a GPU benchmark (especially when the CPU sub-score is not given)?

This is XS 3DMark section, here we compare 3DMark results, 3DMark05 is one of these benchmarks.
CPU score is not included in the overall score. And in case of 3DMark05 the CPU score is not considered as a stable or realistic benchmark anyways. 3DMark06 CPU score is much more relevant score. I will have that number up too (yorkfield should have the higher score in that one though).

I am sure you didnt know this but 3DMark05 is actually almost 100% CPU (not GPU) benchmark with these latest Gen GFX cards. THere is only 1 test (GT3, Canyon Flight) that is mainly GFX bound (in single adapter scenario, depending on CPU performance level). Under CrossFire or SLI its is 100% CPU benchmark.

And since the GFX configuration in the 1st post is EXACTLY the same we are just comparing CPU/Memory/Latency performance.

This question was already explained in the other thread.

To give a very clear example:

3G + 1GFX card = 20k
3G + 2GFX cards = 21.5k
5G + 1GFX card = 26k

its very easy to see where the bottleneck is
12-09-2007, 05:22 PM
arisythila

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Originally Posted by dinos22

Dave

why ban ElMoIsEviL

what was so unreasonable in his posts that are up at the moment :confused:

There is nothing wrong with asking someone to provide some more information as one test is just not enough to really determine performance on new CPUs.....It's not unreasonable to ask that of macci considering he is Mr. AMD for us here and he should certainly need to provide more information. :shrug:. Being an employee of AMD he should be more transparent than a common user i think.

Dino

Dino, I dont think you can question XIP's, XL's here. You usally get banned for being "rude" to them when you question their methods.

Meh.
12-09-2007, 05:52 PM
macci

Again, this one is about Phenom/SPider platform and 3DMark.

its not about Phenom and Office'97 or SuperPi or CineBench. I am sure that there are various other threads for the other benchmarks.

this one is for the 3DMark guys (you know who you are), that's why its posted in the 3D section

Now, let's continue the 3GHz challenge! :D

George mentioned he has a 20k+ score with 3G Yorkfield and 2900XT at 860/1006. I will do my best to match that (first I need to get a 2900XT card though, should not be an impossible task) =)
12-09-2007, 06:18 PM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by macci

(first I need to get a 2900XT card though, should not be an impossible task) =)

:rofl: ROFL
12-10-2007, 05:41 AM
zakelwe

Macci, nice work with the overclocking software, it seems widely praised. :toast:.

I would guess that these scores had a bit more "macci magic" added as well though...

Regards

Andy
12-10-2007, 05:49 AM
BeardyMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by macci

Again, this one is about Phenom/SPider platform and 3DMark.

its not about Phenom and Office'97 or SuperPi or CineBench. I am sure that there are various other threads for the other benchmarks.

this one is for the 3DMark guys (you know who you are), that's why its posted in the 3D section

Now, let's continue the 3GHz challenge! :D

George mentioned he has a 20k+ score with 3G Yorkfield and 2900XT at 860/1006. I will do my best to match that (first I need to get a 2900XT card though, should not be an impossible task) =)

yes go and beat George, he really really want's it :D
12-11-2007, 11:49 AM
BadNizze

I´n not one of the "well known" overklocker her at XS or any other place for that mather, BUT as macci pointed out even I can se where the bottle neck is in 05...

Here is my Phenoms CPU score in 3Dmark06 for refernce!
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...Eric/06max.gif

I dont mean any harm to ANY of you guys, you are well known and respected by me and others. But cant you see the numbers...
12-11-2007, 12:28 PM
ryanmartini

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNizze

I´n not one of the "well known" overklocker her at XS or any other place for that mather, BUT as macci pointed out even I can se where the bottle neck is in 05...

Here is my Phenoms CPU score in 3Dmark06 for refernce!
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...Eric/06max.gif

I dont mean any harm to ANY of you guys, you are well known and respected by me and others. But cant you see the numbers...

Nice cpu score there for that clock! Oh if the Phenom would just clock! :( We would be seeing a different market in the oc crowd.
12-11-2007, 12:38 PM
MexxT

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNizze

I´n not one of the "well known" overklocker her at XS or any other place for that mather, BUT as macci pointed out even I can se where the bottle neck is in 05...

Here is my Phenoms CPU score in 3Dmark06 for refernce!
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...Eric/06max.gif

I dont mean any harm to ANY of you guys, you are well known and respected by me and others. But cant you see the numbers...

NO way Phenom is faster than Yorkfield Clock for clock!

when I saw your post I directly shut down IE7, clocked my CPU back to 2749MHz (to compair with you) and shutted down winamp + MSN Messenger. Nothing more.

I ran 3Dmark 06 and my CPU score:
3859 Marks

you keep in mind:
- Untweaked
- windows Vista (way more load for the CPU, XP - vista is about 100 points differance )
- Verry slow untweaked memory
- Older chipset (P965 P5B deluxe)

If i used XP and used the same memory timings + speed and a bios clock to 2750MHz I would definitely beat That phenom with a Q6600 !

Screenshot :
http://www.techzine.nl/f/g/35530php1CNCWS.jpg

Compair url:
http://service.futuremark.com/orb/pr...jectId=4132994
12-11-2007, 01:12 PM
KeZzZu

Yet you forget that we cant run nb faster than 2-2.25 ghz depends on cpu and mobo, we arent sure what causes it, but theres lot of tweaking for amd systems too eg i see theres one simple tweak what werent used on that run mentioning badnizzes screenie :) could be lot of more unused tweaks, ill try run with vista and all tweaks what i know. But lower nb speed.
12-11-2007, 01:18 PM
MexxT

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeZzZu

Yet you forget that we cant run nb faster than 2-2.25 ghz depends on cpu and mobo, we arent sure what causes it, but theres lot of tweaking for amd systems too eg i see theres one simple tweak what werent used on that run mentioning badnizzes screenie :) could be lot of more unused tweaks, ill try run with vista and all tweaks what i know. But lower nb speed.

If i had used XP i would score like 3950 or something with the same settings.
imagine a Yorkfield ;)

And i'm not familionair (how do you write that word?) with the Northbridge speed you are talking about.

Btw, my vista is untweaked. just: boot -> clock back -> run 3Dmark
And I Think you forgot my CPU is ''just'' a Q6600 ;)
12-11-2007, 01:36 PM
KeZzZu

well there is magic uber boost on yorkfield thought it performs better clock to clock against older c2q, but you could crank your ram up to 500 with same latencys and then compare ^^

btw k10 nb speed affects on l3 mem speed. if im not mistaken :)
12-11-2007, 01:51 PM
MexxT

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeZzZu

well there is magic uber boost on yorkfield thought it performs better clock to clock against older c2q, but you could crank your ram up to 500 with same latencys and then compare ^^

btw k10 nb speed affects on l3 mem speed. if im not mistaken :)

I'll try tomorrow.
Don't know if my OCZ Flex XLC PC6400 (CL3) wil make it to 500MHz CL4.. Hope so!

I use 500 - 5-5-5-15 24/7
12-11-2007, 01:51 PM
Simps

LOL @ ppl with bad atitude on this thread.

When Macci had the time to play / bench with highend hardware, he was ALWAYS n.1 in every benchmark.
He is probably the best player this game has ever seen. Show some respect.

You can desagree, and post your opinion, but don't post :banana::banana::banana::banana: here...

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Simps
12-11-2007, 04:25 PM
KTE

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MexxT: Your Q6600 CPU score is 40 odd points lower than Phenom 9500 at 2640MHz in XP 32-bit (untweaked OS). For reference: http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/6020/2k6pk4.jpg

I'll run it at higher MHz later.

Setup for the run attached.
12-11-2007, 04:48 PM
Simps

@ KTE

C2Q @ 2.66Ghz / 266FSB on VISTA x86
CPU SCORE = 3938
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4119271

PS: on XP PRO my CPU score would be on 4300+...

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Simps
12-11-2007, 04:58 PM
KTE

OK. There's thousands of you with G0 Q6600 but only a few here with Phenoms.

Try XP Pro 2k6 with Q6600 at 3Ghz or stock and post the score please.
I'd like to see XP Pro Q6600 score. Because Phenom didn't take that big a hit of 300-400 points from XP to Vista.

Name your GPU. Card makes a difference on your CPU score. That's why macci's score has good relevance since he kept the same card for both.
I have Vista Ultimate but too many problems with Vista so I'm not even going there.
12-11-2007, 05:07 PM
Simps

@ KTE

C2Q @ 2.66Ghz / 266FSB (VGA is a GTX SLI stock)
CPU SCORE = 4234 on XP PRO
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=2608911

This is old score from Jul/07, on 680i. That is from a friend.

I just don't have XP PRO instaled here... But I have benched there, and I get almost 4400 CPU score with 2.66Ghz / 266FSB on 680i (VGA is single Ultra)

It is sad, but true. At least with C2Q, the CPU score is about 300-400 points below on Vista :(

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Simps
12-11-2007, 05:15 PM
KTE

I'll try Q6600 with the same GPU/RAM timings as the Phenom in XP Pro (same build) as soon as I get some things sorted out to compare better.
By the looks of it, it seems the C2 does worse in Vista only.
12-11-2007, 05:58 PM
STEvil

Guys, York vs Phenom cpu performance discussion needs to go to a different thread.

This is Phenom vs. Intel quadcore 3d performance.
12-11-2007, 07:39 PM
Charles Wirth

This is the 3D section and to have any results is good but to have results by Macci has high value here. Anyone may post any 3D results and they shouldnt be attacked for showing strongest bench, we get it and happy to see where the platform is at.

Showing disrespect will get you banned here, its not an ego.
12-11-2007, 07:51 PM
Praz

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEvil

Guys, York vs Phenom cpu performance discussion needs to go to a different thread.

This is Phenom vs. Intel quadcore 3d performance.

Then hopefully there will be some 3d scores posted. The entire thread contains two maybe three actual scores.
12-11-2007, 08:12 PM
Zytek_Fan

Thanks for posting the results everybody! :D
Hopefully once B3 stepping is out we can see some killer performance :up:

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