I bet the guy bashed the inside of that top with some rocks before putting it back together and ran it awhile lol... just to stir up trouble
OOH .. better yet, he SANDED the inside of it.. before putting it hahaha
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I bet the guy bashed the inside of that top with some rocks before putting it back together and ran it awhile lol... just to stir up trouble
OOH .. better yet, he SANDED the inside of it.. before putting it hahaha
Guys, why the flaming and names here?
Why the speculating?
Why talk sh1t?
This is no [H], let the man post if he needs/wants to! 3 pages of crap! I saw the thread and thought - wow 3 pages, something must be going on. NOT!
We should all wait on Gabe/OBR to post a statement
Actually, if he had an Aluminium radiator there would have been less corrosion of the top as the radiator, having much larger surface area, would act as a sacrificial anode. However, if the base and the top are electrically connected (metal screws?) then there may be no way around this other than by using the required anti corrosion additives.Quote:
Originally Posted by migueld
here is a rather simple theory, to me anyway.
We are humans , we make poor decisions sometimes. ALL OF US!
Yes sometimes its funny to pick on someone for a "DOH" moment, we all have and do it, and have it done to us.
This is XS, and we sometimes try to not be like other forums.
My previous post in here was mocking the whole tit for tat because well.......its stupid.
Maybe Gabe made a mistake, or the owner of the block, we don't know for fact right now, so in true XS fashion may we just sit tight and wait for results, at least one thing that brought me here was NOT the bickering but the:
Poster A: I saw/heard/read/did this, here is my results/link/pic/etc!
Poster B: "ask question relate to posted results."
Poster C: "ask question relate to posted results."
and so one.
Short time after discussion/debate continues based on facts and relate theorys.
Not the middle school he said she said.
Yes, don't do like [H] and debate without facts... I'm tired of this.
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Originally Posted by Shlomo
Just to make things clear, I could give a flying fig what anyone thinks of me, including yourself and especially someone in particular. Nobody should take me seriously and I don't want anyone to do so. I do things my way and you do things your way... actually the way of your preacher, but I'll leave it at that.
Yeah... I'm a little kiddie who will lose sleep about some nonsensical internet reputation... gimme a break.
And if this isn't supposed to be like [H], then stop lobbying unwarranted scud-like accusations behind peoples' backs...
It does matter! If a person drives a car into a wall is it the cars fault since it has the ability to do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
I am a believer that each person should take responsiblity for their actions and if that means taking all the necessary pre-cautions so be it. We can't instantly blame the block when the person "might" not have done anything to prevent it.
On a side note you are correct without aluminum bolted to the block it could not happen. Given the attention on mixing aluminum with copper it is hard to believe the purchaser didn't know the risk before he hit the buy button and input his payment information.
But Rick, the top is uber plated is it not? I should be able to run straight water in there with no fear of corrosion according to Gabe?
he got you there Rick...
Yes, I remember Gabe saying it's so well plated that we can run distilled water only without issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by septim
I don't buy that uber plating crap! Even though I have run many other manufactures products with aluminum in the past, I always took the necessary steps to minimize my risk and have been very successful. That being said, I would NEVER use a block that bolts aluminum to copper directly regardless of the manufacture. I believe that with them bolted together it would increase the risk a hundred fold.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
You will be hard pressed to prove the buyer didn't understand the risk before he hit the buy button.Quote:
Originally Posted by septim
End of the day the best way to get this fixed is to not buy the product. The manufacture will ultimately get the hint when the product doesn't sell and stop offering it.
No, that was not my intention. Point is, according to swiftech the top is plated/coated with 'Military Spec' plating so no corrosion will occur. This says to me it should be just as good as plastic or copper - but we all know it's not. The average user may not though.Quote:
Originally Posted by septim
Well you know what you are doing, most out there do not nor do they take the precautions...Quote:
Originally Posted by RickCain
At the end of the day you are correct. I told gabe I would NEVER buy a block with aluminum in it even if it performed 10C better than anything else.
We are all like those little ions fighting each other in the al/cu loop corroding away, LOL. Thought I'd throw that in for some humor. I love this place!
I do not recall ever saying that one could run pure distilled water in their loop. A quick search in my own posts revealed nothing.
We sell THOUSANDS of these blocks, I just called Michelle on her cell (was on an errand) she can't even recall ONE RMA !
I would never run a system on pure distilled water for any extended period of time, because even exposure to air while filling the system will allow bacteria in the loop, which in turn will allow algae growth, and then mineralization.
The user in this post admitted using tap/demineralized water (filtered?) without additives.
Anti-corrosion/algaecides additives are needed for any prolongued usage in any water-based coolant loop.
Notwithstanding the fact that it is an insult to the average user, the argument consisting in dummyfying such average user to justify the anti-AL debate is specious at best. Sure there are a few dummies out there, but an extraordinarily vast majority of users read and follow the instructions. I have seen posts of ppl with all kind of non Swiftech blocks with residues/build-ups in their block. The fact that we also see a few with Swiftech blocks reflect two basic facts: 1/ we sell a lot of blocks, and 2/ ppl who read and post on XS have been sensitized to the AL debate by a few hardcore individuals.
buttshield in full effect!Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Take that alu-phobics :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
:ROTF:
The battle continues... :yepp:
wow that is pretty bad
Since nobody would post all the pics, I'll go ahead. Don't blame me for the size of the pics.
He used tap/demineralized water. He didn't use distilled water. He didn't use any additives.
This is a quote and a half:
"The majority of the people are not dumb, and just because there are a few dummies out there does not mean that we have to make products just for them. There are protocols to respect in any technical environment."
Okay, well it obviously shows corrosion on the aluminum top, tap water or not it is a failure in the plating...
While it may of been user error (screw stuck into it, who knows) I still wouldn't risk it, pentosin or not. It's a personal belief
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Originally Posted by Shlomo
Fine opinion. The manufacturer has spoken. You have every perrogative to believe what you like to believe.
I would like to be pointed to where he said he used tap water.
Gabe said that Chainbolt admitted to using tap/demineralized water. I'm just following up on the facts gathered. I'm not privy to a presumed private conversation that did not involve me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borgod
Yes I know mate, Im also wanting the facts.
I'm asking Gabe, where did he say he used tap water? Or was this an assumption made since he hasn't made it clear what he did in actual fact, use?
Can somebody please just use battery acid in their loop and take some pics and post them. Then start complaining how bad a manufacturers product is, I really need a good laugh. Tap water only gets a chuckle out of me. TIA
Lets back up a minute here guys. Is the GTX top supposed to be coated or plated? If so what is it's purpose? I thought it was to make it so there is no bare aluminum to come in contact with the water no? If this is the case why the hell does an additive need to be used? We don't need to prevent corrosion since the coating of the top should do this. Someone please tell me I'm wrong. Cause guess what. I have run for about 1.5 years WITH NO ADDITIVE JUST DISTILLED WATER. Guess what. Nothing corroded. Is it because I am 1337? Or is it because I had no aluminum in the loop? If corrosion inhibitors NEED TO BE used with the stock GTX top then IT MIGHT AS WELL BE BARE ALUMINUM.