Superpi score proofs Phenom X4 is a bit faster than Athlon64 X2...

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Originally Posted by iddqd

Actually, I recall a certain Pentium-M owning both in Super Pi, and also being pretty good for games (if not as good for encoding).

More to do with being able to fit everything into its very fast cache, though.

Edit: so, to beat Intel at Pi, AMD would probably need to cut their cache latency in half and then some. But then again, AMD isn't so dependent on cache because they have pretty good latency to the RAM.

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isn't so depended?
add 4MB l2 cache to an FX57 and let it run at 4ghz see the difference in time ;)

nobody notice that K10 only has 512KB L2 cache,while 6400+/6000+ and opterons have 1MB L2 cache per core?

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Originally Posted by GoThr3k

nobody notice that K10 only has 512KB L2 cache +2MB L3 unified share cache,while 6400+/6000+ and opterons have 1MB L2 cache per core?

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Isn't this L3 cache supposed to provide better performance?
:shrug:

I just realized yesterday that the top frequency of Intel cpus is the same since c2d's launch, one year and...err 4 months ago? Ever happened in the past cpu history? I guess no...
No doubt Intel could have risen it but no competition=no party so they just focused on kents first and on penryn lately.
I mean, and I fear, AMD can't just win this and I see only 2 scenarios:
1) Phenom is great ->
Intel releases higher clock cpus, lowers current cpus' prices and, once more, AMD is just up for low-mid target competition (and only if they can price a new architecture cpu low)
2) Phenom is just a bit faster then K8 (which atm I fear is the truth) ->
Intel goes ahead with its penryn roadmap and the gap remains the same

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Originally Posted by Tuvok-LuR-

I just realized yesterday that the top frequency of Intel cpus is the same since c2d's launch, one year and...err 4 months ago? Ever happened in the past cpu history? I guess no...
No doubt Intel could have risen it but no competition=no party so they just focused on kents first and on penryn lately.
I mean, and I fear, AMD can't just win this and I see only 2 scenarios:
1) Phenom is great ->
Intel releases higher clock cpus, lowers current cpus' prices and, once more, AMD is just up for low-mid target competition (and only if they can price a new architecture cpu low)
2) Phenom is just a bit faster then K8 (which atm I fear is the truth) ->
Intel goes ahead with its penryn roadmap and the gap remains the same

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Yep, the 3Ghz new extreme CPU using 65-75W also perfectly shows it.

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Yep, the 3Ghz new extreme CPU using 65-75W also perfectly shows it.

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Yea, and 165-175w motherboard sums it up.

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Originally Posted by Kasparz

Yea, and 165-175w motherboard sums it up.

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Eh?

I dont even think the 4x4 spaceheater was close to that.

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Eh?

I dont even think the 4x4 spaceheater was close to that.

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Perfect for Danish winters! :ROTF:

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Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

Perfect for Danish winters! :ROTF:

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Nah, central heating costs like 1/6th of electric heat ;)

lol why everyone says intel chipsets are space heaters... the real spaceheaters are NV chipsets....

I totally support Hipro5 on this. Anyone who doesn't think CPU SP1 scores matter does not belong on this forum. Heck, Fugger run SP1 twice in Cali and Asia to demonstrate to the WORLD the power of Intel's nextgen CPUs. I'm pretty sure if barc./phenom was running superpi 1m at 7.5s flat at 2.6ghz everyone will be talking about the end of Intel. Heck, if AMD engineers could pull off the feat, they would. So let's stop acting like children and call a spade a spade.

No need to muddy the waters. As much as it is important for our sakes for AMD to stay strong in the game, I have come to appreciate the technological leap from p4 to core even more. It simply means Intel did its homework. AMD has to do the same.

By the way, what about this for real world: Everytime the average joe on AMD platform runs SP1 32m, they lose about 7 minutes to their neighbor with a core 2 system. If they do this a number of times a day, just imagine the time wasted. This is why the wisest guys in this forum switch with performance.

Finally, manufacturers these days are throwing a lot of dust around less than shiny products (this is not directed at AMD per se). Unfortunately, fanboys pick it up from there and become sore when reality strikes. Please let us all learn to take these things with a pinch of salt. Cheers!

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Originally Posted by FUGGER;

Tony, how do you really feel about AMD?

Heh, I should start a new super pi database.

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charles i will tell you what i think feel about AMD.

I see them moving away from needing to prove they are the fastest, we have already seen tri fire on 790 with an aircooled CPU running 3d06 scoring with some god awful high score http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquir...30000-3dmark06
which we all know has been confirmed to be true.

So an aircooled system running 3ghz beats the near 30k run I read about this week with a yorkie running on LN2, I know what i find easier to do even though im benching with 80L of LN2 and a yorkie in 14hrs to see just how far the boards will push this CPU...still for me air cooling is way easier then LN2 anyday ;). Now i know when crossfireX meets q9650 the scores will probably go ballistic but for now that kinda impressed me some what.

Next up, super pi...i asked you before for the source code so that i can have it ported to GPU, I really think once AMD port GPU to CPU we will see some sick fast scores that just make these CPU scores seem real slow. I remember one guy telling me a 2900XT has the power to run 32m pi in under 1minute, you know i would dearly love to see if that is true.

So you asked how i feel about AMD, I feel they are moving to a new arena, the issue is none of us really know what they are upto as none of us are privy to any real info as AMD are the kings of being tight lipped...so we just specualte and most of the time talk rubbish.

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Originally Posted by Zucker2k

By the way, what about this for real world: Everytime the average joe on AMD platform runs SP1 32m, they lose about 7 minutes to their neighbor with a core 2 system. If they do this a number of times a day, just imagine the time wasted. This is why the wisest guys in this forum switch with performance.

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Oh such a great reason... :rolleyes: Like someone else said (I forget who) if running superpi all day is what you do then fine, go intel. But I know that I'm not the only one doesn't spent all day running superpi. Shoot, I don't really have much of a life and I don't sit here running pi all day. How many others then who actually have a life are going to do it all day? Seriously?

And according to your definition then, I'm not one of the wisest. Fine. I can live with that, I don't really care. But there are those who agree with me that one reason why they WON'T switch is because of intel's business practices which btw they have lawsuits against them for. And don't say "what, the tactic of having a better CPU?" because I'm not referring to that. I'm referring to their more illegal actions.

OK, I'm done. Flame me all you like, call me stupid, a moron, whatever (it wouldn't be the first, I've been called that and worse by intel fanboys for not buying a core 2), I'm not changing my mind.

*EDIT*
Sorry if I come across as flaming, I'm having a rough day (if you couldn't tell). I'm a bit emotionally unstable and ticked off right now. Can't wait for work to end so I can go to bed and hope tomorrow is brighter... :(

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Originally Posted by SparkyJJO

Oh such a great reason... :rolleyes: Like someone else said (I forget who) if running superpi all day is what you do then fine, go intel. But I know that I'm not the only one doesn't spent all day running superpi. Shoot, I don't really have much of a life and I don't sit here running pi all day. How many others then who actually have a life are going to do it all day? Seriously?

And according to your definition then, I'm not one of the wisest. Fine. I can live with that, I don't really care. But there are those who agree with me that one reason why they WON'T switch is because of intel's business practices which btw they have lawsuits against them for. And don't say "what, the tactic of having a better CPU?" because I'm not referring to that. I'm referring to their more illegal actions.

OK, I'm done. Flame me all you like, call me stupid, a moron, whatever (it wouldn't be the first, I've been called that and worse by intel fanboys for not buying a core 2), I'm not changing my mind.

*EDIT*
Sorry if I come across as flaming, I'm having a rough day (if you couldn't tell). I'm a bit emotionally unstable and ticked off right now. Can't wait for work to end so I can go to bed and hope tomorrow is brighter... :(

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Nothing wrong with supporting, or not, a company based on your principles. Afterall, it's your money! :D

poor AMD, dont dieee!!!!!!!! we need competition!!!!!!!! we dont need nvidia and intel to monopolize!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this sucks, i was hoping for alot better from AMD.

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Originally Posted by Tony

charles i will tell you what i think feel about AMD.

I see them moving away from needing to prove they are the fastest, we have already seen tri fire on 790 with an aircooled CPU running 3d06 scoring with some god awful high score http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquir...30000-3dmark06
which we all know has been confirmed to be true.

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i may have missed where this was confirmed to be true.

could you please post a link to the k10 trifire scores?

FWIW, 27.5 seconds for 1M at 3Ghz kind sucks. At 2.9Ghz I was able to get my Opteron 146 down to 26.4 or 26.7 seconds (dont have the SS i front of me).

Granted I had VX memory at something like 270Mhz 2-2-2-5 (no it was not stable), but still.. The Phenom should be able to shave atleast a few seconds off its time

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Originally Posted by rozzyroz;

i may have missed where this was confirmed to be true.

could you please post a link to the k10 trifire scores?

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I can't comment who confirmed it to be true, if Charles chooses to its upto him

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Originally Posted by Tony

I can't comment who confirmed it to be true, if Charles chooses to its upto him

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If Tony says it has been confirmed by other than inq's source ,i believe him.

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Originally Posted by FUGGER

Tony, how do you really feel about AMD?

Heh, I should start a new super pi database.

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You know when you allow options to "subscribe to thread" the unedited post always gets delivered in mail. ;)

Maybe a change would be better to that procedure, eh Charles?

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Originally Posted by Tony

charles i will tell you what i think feel about AMD.

I see them moving away from needing to prove they are the fastest, we have already seen tri fire on 790 with an aircooled CPU running 3d06 scoring with some god awful high score http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquir...30000-3dmark06
which we all know has been confirmed to be true.

So an aircooled system running 3ghz beats the near 30k run I read about this week with a yorkie running on LN2, I know what i find easier to do even though im benching with 80L of LN2 and a yorkie in 14hrs to see just how far the boards will push this CPU...still for me air cooling is way easier then LN2 anyday ;). Now i know when crossfireX meets q9650 the scores will probably go ballistic but for now that kinda impressed me some what.

Next up, super pi...i asked you before for the source code so that i can have it ported to GPU, I really think once AMD port GPU to CPU we will see some sick fast scores that just make these CPU scores seem real slow. I remember one guy telling me a 2900XT has the power to run 32m pi in under 1minute, you know i would dearly love to see if that is true.

So you asked how i feel about AMD, I feel they are moving to a new arena, the issue is none of us really know what they are upto as none of us are privy to any real info as AMD are the kings of being tight lipped...so we just specualte and most of the time talk rubbish.

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Right a new arena, the multimedia Pc Htpc arena, gona be a lot of $ in that:clap:

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Originally Posted by informal

If Tony says it has been confirmed by other than inq's source ,i believe him.

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i wasnt doubting him, this was just the first that i heard there may be some truth to the inq article.

i sort of wrote it off as being hype after benchmarks from barcelona surfaced.

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Originally Posted by Tony

charles i will tell you what i think feel about AMD.

I see them moving away from needing to prove they are the fastest, we have already seen tri fire on 790 with an aircooled CPU running 3d06 scoring with some god awful high score http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquir...30000-3dmark06
which we all know has been confirmed to be true.

So an aircooled system running 3ghz beats the near 30k run I read about this week with a yorkie running on LN2, I know what i find easier to do even though im benching with 80L of LN2 and a yorkie in 14hrs to see just how far the boards will push this CPU...still for me air cooling is way easier then LN2 anyday ;). Now i know when crossfireX meets q9650 the scores will probably go ballistic but for now that kinda impressed me some what.

Next up, super pi...i asked you before for the source code so that i can have it ported to GPU, I really think once AMD port GPU to CPU we will see some sick fast scores that just make these CPU scores seem real slow. I remember one guy telling me a 2900XT has the power to run 32m pi in under 1minute, you know i would dearly love to see if that is true.

So you asked how i feel about AMD, I feel they are moving to a new arena, the issue is none of us really know what they are upto as none of us are privy to any real info as AMD are the kings of being tight lipped...so we just specualte and most of the time talk rubbish.

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Thanks for the educated post Tony :up:

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Originally Posted by MaxxxRacer

FWIW, 27.5 seconds for 1M at 3Ghz kind sucks. At 2.9Ghz I was able to get my Opteron 146 down to 26.4 or 26.7 seconds (dont have the SS i front of me).

Granted I had VX memory at something like 270Mhz 2-2-2-5 (no it was not stable), but still.. The Phenom should be able to shave atleast a few seconds off its time

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I would like to see that claim ;)

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Originally Posted by Tony

charles i will tell you what i think feel about AMD.

I see them moving away from needing to prove they are the fastest, we have already seen tri fire on 790 with an aircooled CPU running 3d06 scoring with some god awful high score http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquir...30000-3dmark06
which we all know has been confirmed to be true.

So an aircooled system running 3ghz beats the near 30k run I read about this week with a yorkie running on LN2, I know what i find easier to do even though im benching with 80L of LN2 and a yorkie in 14hrs to see just how far the boards will push this CPU...still for me air cooling is way easier then LN2 anyday ;). Now i know when crossfireX meets q9650 the scores will probably go ballistic but for now that kinda impressed me some what.

Next up, super pi...i asked you before for the source code so that i can have it ported to GPU, I really think once AMD port GPU to CPU we will see some sick fast scores that just make these CPU scores seem real slow. I remember one guy telling me a 2900XT has the power to run 32m pi in under 1minute, you know i would dearly love to see if that is true.

So you asked how i feel about AMD, I feel they are moving to a new arena, the issue is none of us really know what they are upto as none of us are privy to any real info as AMD are the kings of being tight lipped...so we just specualte and most of the time talk rubbish.

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finally someone with real insight in to industry to make relevant comment on this forum that fell in a real crisis of over hype!