AMD Prices "Barcelona"

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Originally Posted by informal

No he is not correct.He said "Bx parts work fine" .BUT Mr. Dave Graham said in no uncertain terms,that Bx wasn't 100% bug free(not only chips but motherboards that weren't operating with the appropriate 100% working BIOS).

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complex ICs like cpus/chipsets never are 100% bug free (errata), but it always depends on how serious/performance limiting those bugs are.

and we still don't know if the coolaler cpus are not from the september-launch stepping :(

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Originally Posted by Jacky

and we still don't know if the coolaler cpus are not from the september-launch stepping :(

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Yes we do.B1 is not the launch stepping....

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Originally Posted by informal

Yes we do.B1 is not the launch stepping....

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are you sure? actually it's not that important, because we'll find out really, really soon :)

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Originally Posted by Jacky

are you sure? actually it's not that important, because we'll find out really, really soon :)

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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=510

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=513

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Originally Posted by Jacky

are you sure? actually it's not that important, because we'll find out really, really soon :)

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Yes i am sure.Look at the links PetNorth provided.

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Originally Posted by Proesterchen

Actually, AMD and Intel are both now quoting max continuous power consumption over a thermally significant period using commercially available software (or something to this effect), which is below either's max output.

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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...36&postcount=1
**Edit** At least for Server/Workstation CPUs AMD uses max TDP. If they dont use it for consumer cpus though that would explain why Opterons have higher TDP than equivalent desktop parts. Look at the bottom slide V_rr posted.

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Originally Posted by PetNorth

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=510

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=513

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Completely irrelevant ; it doesn't matter if B1 is launch stepping or not , it matters how it performs.Based on everything available , B1 performs normally but has problems scaling in frequency.

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Originally Posted by savantu

Completely irrelevant ; it doesn't matter if B1 is launch stepping or not , it matters how it performs.Based on everything available , B1 performs normally but has problems scaling in frequency.

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Based on everything available, until B2 all previous steppings had serious problems
affecting performance considerably. Both chip and bios problems.

Its faster and with the internal mem controller it might had a nice desktop experience.
Faster at 3ghz isnt something I notice, however if it handles the desktop experience better than core2duo then its a winner.

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Originally Posted by alayashu

Based on everything available, until B2 all previous steppings had serious problems
affecting performance considerably. Both chip and bios problems.

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Umh no.Even AMD released Spec scores and other benchmarks used B0 or B1.The problem with those steppings was the lack of high speed bins.

IMO , constantly whining about steppings prior to B2 as performance crippled create unjustified expectations which will be tempered by a cold shower on Monday.But that's my 2 cents , mea culpa if I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by savantu

Umh no.Even AMD released Spec scores and other benchmarks used B0 or B1.The problem with those steppings was the lack of high speed bins.

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Those were simulated. No real chips were used remember. in fact some pp; made a lot of noise about it

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Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR

Those were simulated. No real chips were used remember. in fact some pp; made a lot of noise about it

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Very true.

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Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR

Those were simulated. No real chips were used remember. in fact some pp; made a lot of noise about it

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true

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Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR

Those were simulated. No real chips were used remember. in fact some pp; made a lot of noise about it

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Higher speeds were simulated , not the chips , wtf , that should have been obvious ?! :confused:

AMD probably had 1.6-2GHz chips back then and since they envisioned they'll get to 2.6GHz by launch date , they extrapolated the scores with slower chips as base.

now AMD can go up to 3ghz :D