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09-06-2007, 07:50 AM
GoriLLakoS

Thanks god Fr3ak is loyal...:D

At first i thought that the distance is big...and that's gonna destroy everything...

But i think it is more serious than i first thought...

xaaxxa
09-06-2007, 07:58 AM
saaya

you think its serious??
so you dont know about the baby yet? :eek:
Fr3ak you have to tell him!
He has a right to see his son!
09-06-2007, 08:04 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

you think its serious??
so you dont know about the baby yet? :eek:
Fr3ak you have to tell him!
He has a right to see his son!

HA, HA, HA.........You flaken Freak.......!.......:ROTF: :rofl:
09-06-2007, 10:37 AM
v_parrello

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

....
im not so sure about the pll voltage, does it really help you?
fsb wise or memory wise or cpu wise?
I bumped it up everytime i maxed out something but it never helped, so i left it at auto and i can reach 530fsb and 2ghz+ memspeed.
I guess it has to do with maxing out the cpu speed?
Thats the only thing i havent done yet :D
.....

PLL voltage is referred to VCCPLL or PLL VCC with nominal value 1.50v+/-5%, and it is input voltage applied to CPU across pin 23 (as intel datasheets stated for Conroe). VCCPLL provides isolated power for internal processor FSB PLLs.

A phase-lock, or phase-locked, loop (PLL) is an electronic control system that generates a signal that is locked to the phase of an input or "reference" signal.

This means internal processor FSB PLLs are circuit responsibles to lock the phase of external FSB (the FSB of the external bus between northbridge and cpu) with internal processor bus.
In very simple words these circuits are responsible to sincronyze the external FSB with internal processor bus where flow all signals outuput from FSB to internal processor bus (command and data) and viceversa.

Now some processors have better internal FSB PLLs than another one, and this mean that that first rpocessor has higher FSB wall. If you want to help to raise CPU FSB wall you have to raise pll voltage because in this way internal processor FSB PLLs become more stable.
09-06-2007, 11:46 AM
Fr3ak

Quote:

Originally Posted by LardArse

u workaholic!! :P u need to fix your bed first!
But you're doing justice to the good stuff from saaya da man :)

Hehe, I know about that bed, it's getting worse every day :P
Thank you, but without you I wouldn't have been able to do the memory justice. Thanks a lot for giving that board to me. IF you ever need it again, just tell me and I will send it back to you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

the 544 is great :D
looks like nobody ran 544 with ddr3 before, so this is the WR, highest 544 ;)
congratulations!!! :toast: :D

its quite high too, i didnt even think 555 could get that high we need to bump up trcd to 6 as well to get decent speeds with cas6. well at least that was my experience. victors 555 really caught me by surprise and this is even better :D

hehe thanks, it was a really quick attempt to see if the sticks run at those timings at all. I am pretty sure that there is still room for improvement.

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Originally Posted by Saaya

so it looks like your board is a dud...
is it an ES board? maybe an early sample with an early p35 nb?
Several early ddr3 boards couldnt get above 1500 memspeed and im pretty sure its the chipset. P35 first launched for ddr2 boards, so maybe gigabyte and others used those early chips for their ddr3 boards as well and then noticed that those early nbs integrated ddr3 mem controller sucks.
asus seems to have used the latest p35 nbs even for their early ddr3 boards, maybe they noticed this or they always keep their warehouses tidy and empty and hence didnt have older stock.

I have no idea if the board is a ES or not, but it looks retail to me. Maybe Shamino can bring some light into this discussion about the origin of this board.

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Originally Posted by Saaya

Hell yeah, no wonder you are tired all the time when you sleep in that bed :lol:
For those who dont know, i kinda broke fr3aks bed ^^
Now gorillakos, before you even start to b!tch at fr3ak, i tried to seduce him but he wouldnt give in, he loves you too much... :D

:bows:
Just too bad the board sucks... hope you get a better board soon olli!

hehe I know the bad is a mess. I will try to fix it soon, that is for sure. But I can still sleep surprisingly well :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saaya

im not so sure about the pll voltage, does it really help you?
fsb wise or memory wise or cpu wise?
I bumped it up everytime i maxed out something but it never helped, so i left it at auto and i can reach 530fsb and 2ghz+ memspeed.
I guess it has to do with maxing out the cpu speed?
Thats the only thing i havent done yet :D

well the blitz is gen2 of p35 ddr3, so already gen3 of p35. and i think the secret of the asus p5k3 boards clocking better than other ddr3 boards when they just came out was that they used the latest nbs and others used older stock.

Wasnt the first people who hit 2ghz with ddr3 asus engineers?
So yeah, they did know about it, but i think that was only weeks before the launch... i dont know but i think micron ddr3 arrived pretty late so asus probabaly didnt use it to test their boards. afaik there is no other ddr3 that can reach 2ghz, not even close, so i dont think asus knew about this and planned those high speeds when designing the p5k... but in the end only asus and micron will know :D

yeah! not only this, but we need way more dividers or an un link mode like on 680! I really hope intel is working on this or nvidia will get a ddr3 chipset out soon... wait, i take that back, i hope nvidia releases a ddr3 chipset AS SOON AS THEY MANAGED TO GET RID OF ALL THE BUGS IN IT :P

And wouldnt it be cool if intel would release an Xtreme Edition cpu with a default fsb of 666?
Now THAT would rock! no more looking for high fsb capable cpus.
im sure there are cpus that can handle 666fsb and im sure intel could bin them...

sorry for the long post ^^

PLL voltage usually helps you to clock the CPU's FSB better when the CPU hits a wall. With most CPUs I have tested I need about +0.1V above 450 MHz FSB. FSB-Termination voltage usually helps to clock the board higher, FSB-wise. I didnt have to use more than +0.15V to hit 500 MHz FSB so far.

The 666FSB CPU sound good, but I dont think its gonna come true any time soon. 400MHz will first hit the server market, then desktop CPUs. 666 is still a very long way to go. And even Oskar had a hard time hitting 600 MHz FSB on a retail board, so to think 666 MHz FSB on a retail board will come true son, is basically impossible if you ask me :)

But 666MHz FSB and 6-6-6 timings looks "damn" good :devil:

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoriLLakoS

Thanks god Fr3ak is loyal...:D

At first i thought that the distance is big...and that's gonna destroy everything...

But i think it is more serious than i first thought...

xaaxxa

How could I ever betray you? ^_^

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

HA, HA, HA.........You flaken Freak.......!.......:ROTF: :rofl:

hehe, just make fun on my expense lol :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by v_parrello

PLL voltage is referred to VCCPLL or PLL VCC with nominal value 1.50v+/-5%, and it is input voltage applied to CPU across pin 23 (as intel datasheets stated for Conroe). VCCPLL provides isolated power for internal processor FSB PLLs.

A phase-lock, or phase-locked, loop (PLL) is an electronic control system that generates a signal that is locked to the phase of an input or "reference" signal.

This means internal processor FSB PLLs are circuit responsibles to lock the phase of external FSB (the FSB of the external bus between northbridge and cpu) with internal processor bus.
In very simple words these circuits are responsible to sincronyze the external FSB with internal processor bus where flow all signals outuput from FSB to internal processor bus (command and data) and viceversa.

Now some processors have better internal FSB PLLs than another one, and this mean that that first rpocessor has higher FSB wall. If you want to help to raise CPU FSB wall you have to raise pll voltage because in this way internal processor FSB PLLs become more stable.

Very nice explanation! :up: =)

Edit: I had half an hour to play with the sticks :) 1 GHz is a no go even with 10-10-10-30. I managed to improve the low latency clock a bit, but not by much. And it seems like I really need 2.24V to boot with cl5 and 750MHz.
I managed to get this 1m stable, but the screenshot is corrupt :/
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=239364

Some real stability tests are planned for the weekend :)
09-06-2007, 09:33 PM
saaya

vincenzo, so does increasing the cpu pll voltage help to get a high fsb stable or does it help to boot and bench at a higher fsb?
It didnt help me to boot and bench at a higher fsb at all, so i left it at auto.
FSB voltage bumped to 1.5v did help though and is needed to reach 530+ with the 6600 in this system.

what cpu are you using?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fr3ak

hehe I know the bad is a mess. I will try to fix it soon, that is for sure. But I can still sleep surprisingly well :)

dreaming of gorillakos strong arms holding you?
what does he have that i dont have? :,(

:lol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fr3ak

PLL voltage usually helps you to clock the CPU's FSB better when the CPU hits a wall. With most CPUs I have tested I need about +0.1V above 450 MHz FSB. FSB-Termination voltage usually helps to clock the board higher, FSB-wise. I didnt have to use more than +0.15V to hit 500 MHz FSB so far.

so fsb vtt or vfsb as its sometimes called is more of a help to get the chipset stable at higher fsbs and to be able to boot at higher fsbs, correct?

well first i could only get around 450fsb with this 6600 but bumping the vcore to 1.5v solved that and i got to 480 iirc, bumping vfsb gave me a headroom to reach 530, above that things got unstable. i tried raising cpu pll voltage but this didnt help me to get 535 stable either and i didnt want to try more vcore with the crfappy hs i was using back then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fr3ak

The 666FSB CPU sound good, but I dont think its gonna come true any time soon. 400MHz will first hit the server market, then desktop CPUs. 666 is still a very long way to go. And even Oskar had a hard time hitting 600 MHz FSB on a retail board, so to think 666 MHz FSB on a retail board will come true son, is basically impossible if you ask me :)

but it is possible, and yes you would basically need a custom motherboard but hey, what else is quadfx and intels v8?
they could pick boards that can hit 600+fsb and cpus that can hit 600+fsb.
IF k10 beats 45nm (very unlikely unfortunately) then intel might actually do this... but yeah, its more of a nice thing to dream about :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fr3ak

But 666MHz FSB and 6-6-6 timings looks "damn" good :devil:

:slobber:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fr3ak

Very nice explanation! :up: =)

jupp, thanks vincenzo! :toast:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fr3ak

Edit: I had half an hour to play with the sticks :) 1 GHz is a no go even with 10-10-10-30. I managed to improve the low latency clock a bit, but not by much. And it seems like I really need 2.24V to boot with cl5 and 750MHz.
I managed to get this 1m stable, but the screenshot is corrupt :/
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=239364

Some real stability tests are planned for the weekend :)

have fun then :D
09-08-2007, 09:37 AM
boblemagnifique

Few Test Superpi (Comparative in preparation) :)

I test soon with my P5K3 deluxe too :)

32mo = OS 2003 32bits optimised by learn :clap:

http://boblemagnifique36.free.fr/Ove...es/40gp1mo.jpg

http://boblemagnifique36.free.fr/Ove...s/40gp32mo.jpg
09-10-2007, 07:09 AM
v_parrello

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

vincenzo, so does increasing the cpu pll voltage help to get a high fsb stable or does it help to boot and bench at a higher fsb?
It didnt help me to boot and bench at a higher fsb at all, so i left it at auto.
FSB voltage bumped to 1.5v did help though and is needed to reach 530+ with the 6600 in this system.

what cpu are you using?

.....

Sascha,
you can not make a miracle but increasing cpu pll voltage could help you to to get a high fsb.

I used a E6420 that is able to do 555 FB with air cooling (it is very lucky CPU). High cpu pll voltage help me to raise of 30-50 MHz the FSB.
09-10-2007, 07:37 AM
Kamel

Saaya...e6600 seems not to be the perfect cpu for p35, a 6600 i've tested, 560 and over on 965... stops @530 on p35!

don't ask me why..maybe new bioses are not perfect for the older cpu steps..

Kam
09-10-2007, 07:40 AM
boblemagnifique

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kamel

Saaya...e6600 seems not to be the perfect cpu for p35, a 6600 i've tested, 560 and over on 965... stops @530 on p35!

don't ask me why..maybe new bioses are not perfect for the older cpu steps..

Kam

There is a problem with P35 and the DDR3, I have cpus which block has 570/575mhz on my extreme Blitz or the P5K3 deluxe (then which makes 590mhz on my P5K or the DFI P35 in DDR2)

It's stange problem :cool:
09-10-2007, 07:48 AM
eva2000

yeah it's strange

my E6600 L709A958 on Blitz Extreme 485FSB max on Blitz Formula 530FSB max both on water heh.. nearly every cpu i put in my Blitz Extreme maxes 485FSB even ones that do 500FSB on Blitz Formula/P5K Deluxe heh
09-10-2007, 07:51 AM
Kamel

6420 over 540 easily.... 6850 540 easily... and i'm waiting for an E6700 with 580/590 liquid cooled and 610 under LN2...

Kam

i think could be a problem with bios cpu microcode programming... or compatibility..
09-10-2007, 08:27 AM
boblemagnifique

Since I flash the bios P5K3 and Blitz I am with the max 575/580mhz whereas I arrived has 590mhz in watercooling with my E6600 before :(

A small Everest towards 4ghz :

http://boblemagnifique36.free.fr/Ove...res/bpddr3.JPG
09-10-2007, 11:02 PM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by v_parrello

Sascha,
you can not make a miracle but increasing cpu pll voltage could help you to to get a high fsb.

I used a E6420 that is able to do 555 FB with air cooling (it is very lucky CPU). High cpu pll voltage help me to raise of 30-50 MHz the FSB.

hmmm ill try again to bump pll voltage and see if it helps, thanks man :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kamel

Saaya...e6600 seems not to be the perfect cpu for p35, a 6600 i've tested, 560 and over on 965... stops @530 on p35!

don't ask me why..maybe new bioses are not perfect for the older cpu steps..

Kam

Quote:

Originally Posted by boblemagnifique

There is a problem with P35 and the DDR3, I have cpus which block has 570/575mhz on my extreme Blitz or the P5K3 deluxe (then which makes 590mhz on my P5K or the DFI P35 in DDR2)

It's stange problem :cool:

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

yeah it's strange

my E6600 L709A958 on Blitz Extreme 485FSB max on Blitz Formula 530FSB max both on water heh.. nearly every cpu i put in my Blitz Extreme maxes 485FSB even ones that do 500FSB on Blitz Formula/P5K Deluxe heh

yeah i noticed the same, but i didnt think it was p35 or p35 ddr3 related... every board i put a cpu in has a different max fsb. even good boards that get a higher fsb out of cpus than other boards sometimes dont like a cpu and i cant reach the same fsb as on other "worse" fsb clocking boards.

we are 4 people now experiencing this...
interesting to see that there seems to be some corelation between this and p35 and maybe even p35 ddr3 compared to p35 ddr2.
thx for sharing your findings :toast:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kamel

6420 over 540 easily.... 6850 540 easily... and i'm waiting for an E6700 with 580/590 liquid cooled and 610 under LN2...

Kam

i think could be a problem with bios cpu microcode programming... or compatibility..

well lets hope its a bios thing and has nothing to do with board design or the ddr3 mem controller limiting the fsb somehow.
09-11-2007, 02:28 AM
Walkerak

What a nice try~~~~~~:up:
09-11-2007, 04:56 AM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walkerak

What a nice try~~~~~~:up:

what do you mean? :confused:
09-11-2007, 06:32 AM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

yeah i noticed the same, but i didnt think it was p35 or p35 ddr3 related... every board i put a cpu in has a different max fsb. even good boards that get a higher fsb out of cpus than other boards sometimes dont like a cpu and i cant reach the same fsb as on other "worse" fsb clocking boards.

we are 4 people now experiencing this...
interesting to see that there seems to be some corelation between this and p35 and maybe even p35 ddr3 compared to p35 ddr2.
thx for sharing your findings :toast:

yeah i asked for a 2nd Blitz Extreme to be shipped so i could compare to see if it's my board that is FSB limited.. fedex docs all done but i think they might be waiting to send me X38 too :D

Crosses fingers that X38 can give cpu's a nice max FSB boost over P35.. i hope :D
09-11-2007, 02:51 PM
Fr3ak

Your last sentence wasn't true for the testing I have done today :( No FSB boost...
09-11-2007, 09:06 PM
Revv23

someone get hipro two set of these and some LN2 stat!!
09-11-2007, 10:05 PM
x3ro

Nice clocking m8, Im getting some ddr3 myself and I was wondering what's the best price/performance ddr3 mobo?

Regards
09-11-2007, 10:41 PM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revv23

someone get hipro two set of these and some LN2 stat!!

he already has a set and im sure we dont need to worry about his ln2 supply :D

hmmm does x38 at least give a perf boost at the same fsb and mem clock then?
09-11-2007, 10:45 PM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fr3ak

Your last sentence wasn't true for the testing I have done today :( No FSB boost...

doh :(
09-11-2007, 11:16 PM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

he already has a set and im sure we dont need to worry about his ln2 supply :D

.....where - where?.... I don't have a set of them yet.... :(
09-12-2007, 12:01 AM
VictorWang

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

.....where - where?.... I don't have a set of them yet.... :(

'coz u have toooooooo much toys , haha :ROTF:
09-12-2007, 01:31 AM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

.....where - where?.... I don't have a set of them yet.... :(

you still didnt get it???
ill check

EDIT: We sent it out Monday last week, so... 9 days/ 7 work days ago.
I know the mail in greece is very slow, but could it be this slow?
I hope it didnt get lost...

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