K10 will be announced Monday

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Originally Posted by LOE

HT3 wont brint anything to single or even dual socket performance

Independent voltage .... dunno how it will exactly be implemented, could be usefull for overclocking, but it won't be a major concern

If AM2+ boards are not available until september and K10 is as fast as eveyone says I will use it with AM2 mobo

But something tells me amd will launch desktop parts along with a HT3 chipset

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i don't care about HT3, but direct connect 2.0. The Two will come together, so i have to wait HT3 to get DC2.0 :rolleyes:

my question to the new k10 is, if you have seperate frequncies and voltages maybe as well, could it be possible to break a core of the cpu?

So you put too much voltage through one, and break that one core. That just sounds strange right now, but you never know.

i have been waiting for news to trickle, and i as well am one who wants to completely skip ddr2, but i may become impatient. keep ticking athlon x2 4400+

- Paul

the independent voltages has to do with the core voltage and the northbridge voltage, not independent voltages per core

each core can however have seperate clocks, in other words, if one core has the load, the other cores can be clocked down, thus less draw, but all cores will have the same vcore

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Originally Posted by VulgarHandle

the independent voltages has to do with the core voltage and the northbridge voltage, not independent voltages per core

each core can however have seperate clocks, in other words, if one core has the load, the other cores can be clocked down, thus less draw, but all cores will have the same vcore

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Barcelona don't have indépendant core voltage but K10 on AM2+ will have it :fact:

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Originally Posted by brentpresley

Can you link that? I was pretty sure that the cores are all the same voltage even up through AM3 and only the IMC is run on a separate power plane.

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Don't remember where i saw that, but AM2+ bring HT3, DC2.0 & split power plane. I think i readed it on a AMD's pdf :stick:

Barcelona don't have because motherboards on socket F can't do it. AMD make the choice you can use Quad's on socket F without new mobo. Quad's can't work with separate power plane without new way to power it.

They can run integrated northbridge with separate power, that's already something to the new power management created by AMD.

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Originally Posted by brentpresley

AM2+ is not HT3. It is HT2.

And the Split powerplane refers to the northbridge vs. cores, not difference between cores.

AM2 does not support ANY split powerplanes and that is the main difference b/w AM2 and AM2+.

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AM2+ use HT3. :fact:

AMD said to a big newspaper, that the main difference between true Quad core and 'fake' is the ability to run each core at different power level & frequency. ;)

AMD said himself, don't remember where, but AM2+ have independant voltage for each core, northbridge and ram controler. :D

I don't lie, i don't want my dream come true, that's true. :woot:

If found it i will post count on me ;) ;)

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Originally Posted by brentpresley

Ah. Got a link?

I just want to read the details for myself. :)

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well, just about any article on AM2+ will tell you it's HT3.0 + DC2.0 + DDR2, please google something as simple as that

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Originally Posted by brentpresley

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...px?i=2939&p=10

3rd paragraph down. NOT independent powerplanes for the CPUs. Only the northbridge. :fact:

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It's Barcelona, Barcelona is different :stick:

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Originally Posted by madcho

It's Barcelona, Barcelona is different :stick:

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Barcelona is K10, in the interview at http://www.syndrome-oc.net/articles....cle=94&lang=en , Giuseppe Amato "Technical Director, Sales and Marketing EMEA refers to it as K10, in fact, he clarifies K8L and K10..

if announce monday?, ETA end of march/beginning of april?

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Originally Posted by VulgarHandle

Barcelona is K10, in the interview at http://www.syndrome-oc.net/articles....cle=94&lang=en , Giuseppe Amato "Technical Director, Sales and Marketing EMEA refers to it as K10, in fact, he clarifies K8L and K10..

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Barcelona is K10, you're right, but AMD can't do core separate core voltage on it because socket F motherboards don't support it :stick:

AMD choose to coincide the refresh of the chipsets with the refresh of separate power planes. That's simple :slapass:

the Anandtech article talks about the added metal layers, going from 9 to 11 i believe, and i'd assume that has to do mainly with that split power plane for the NB and cores, I highly doubt the socket itself is what limits it's ability to allow split power planes for cores. One would assume that with 1207 pins as compared to the 940 pins of AM2, that socket F would have far more options available to it, but I could be making a bad assumption. Don't forget, like AM2 getting a refresh to AM2+, so will socket F to socket F+, and both as far as i've read talk of HT3.0/DC2.0, and that's it.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see each core having the ability to run a seperate voltage, but I just haven't seen anything solid that says that will be available.

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Originally Posted by VulgarHandle

the Anandtech article talks about the added metal layers, going from 9 to 11 i believe, and i'd assume that has to do mainly with that split power plane for the NB and cores, I highly doubt the socket itself is what limits it's ability to allow split power planes for cores. One would assume that with 1207 pins as compared to the 940 pins of AM2, that socket F would have far more options available to it, but I could be making a bad assumption. Don't forget, like AM2 getting a refresh to AM2+, so will socket F to socket F+, and both as far as i've read talk of HT3.0/DC2.0, and that's it.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see each core having the ability to run a seperate voltage, but I just haven't seen anything solid that says that will be available.

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I have seen even oc with K10 :D. AMD could have the three cores halted/low powered and for a single thread boost frequency with a higher vcore, staying in the TDP.

I'm not sure of this, but separate vcore, dynamically by hardware, that's real :toast:

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Originally Posted by madcho

I have seen even oc with K10 :D. AMD could have the three cores halted/low powered and for a single thread boost frequency with a higher vcore, staying in the TDP.

I'm not sure of this, but separate vcore, dynamically by hardware, that's real :toast:

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well, then you're making an unbackable statement, and you should have said as such....

you saying you've seen it leaves nothing for us to discuss, other than the validity of your statement, and i'm not one to question your valor

if all you have is your word that you've seen it, then all we can do is wait and see for ourselves, I hope you're right

Dedicated power plane = dedicated VRM

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Originally Posted by madcho

AM2+ have independant voltage for each core, northbridge and ram controler.

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6 planes -> 6 parallel VRMs.

Sorry, not gonna happen.

what I want to really know, apart from performance and release date of course, is whether AMD will be making an LGA socket type such as intels one, I much prefer the pins being on the motherboard than on the CPU and it also is easier to handle.

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Originally Posted by eXceededgoku

what I want to really know, apart from performance and release date of course, is whether AMD will be making an LGA socket type such as intels one, I much prefer the pins being on the motherboard than on the CPU and it also is easier to handle.

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socket F(registered ram) or the QuadFX platform(unbuffered ram), both are lga1207

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Originally Posted by VulgarHandle

socket F(registered ram) or the QuadFX platform(unbuffered ram), both are lga1207

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Thanks, probably could have found that out from research but you have made me very happy.

I dunno... if they're planning on making this stuff relatively interchangable with socket AM2, AM2+, and AM3, I bet they'll all have pins.

That's just my personal rocket surgery experience speaking though.

Ryan

As exceed said, socket F has been LGA for a long time. AM2 and AM2+ will obviously still have pins otherwise it wouldn't be an AM2 socket, would it.

God I can't wait!!!! :woot:

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Originally Posted by madcho

Barcelona is K10, you're right, but AMD can't do core separate core voltage on it because socket F motherboards don't support it :stick:

AMD choose to coincide the refresh of the chipsets with the refresh of separate power planes. That's simple :slapass:

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I just have to say "look at the Intel mobo when they came from Penitum 4 to C2D...."


Humm just a little reflexion... Amd can do that :

A solid and strong voltage delivery stage (maybe as stage as C2D mobo) that deliver the nominal voltage.

And each parts (each core / northbridge / RAM) will have its own regulator, that adjust automatically the voltage by a simple regulation ?

For example the maximum that you need for one of the parts :
max required one 1 parts : 1,6v
if you only need this voltage on northbridge for example : other parts will be at 1,2V just by "decreasing" the voltage... etc

it's just the opposite that we make with VMODs...


I don't know if this will be like i said...

Need to make an other interview xD