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02-09-2007, 08:21 AM
Ajfina

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Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK

Do you think the 1066 strap is a good enough reason to buy this board?

YES
02-09-2007, 08:26 AM
situman

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Originally Posted by PanteraGSTK

See, that isn't really any better than my S3. Do you think the 1066 strap is a good enough reason to buy this board? That really is the only diffirence between this and mine. 1333 strap for my S3 and 1066 for QuadGT. Hope it's worth $200.

suit yourself.
02-09-2007, 09:16 AM
Ace-a-Rue

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Originally Posted by bingo13

I am, 7X515 on a not so good E6300, got the board up to 7x545 with a decent E6600, ended up with 7x525 24/7 on that combination but had to really relax the memory timings past 515 (5-5-4, memory does 4-4-3). Testing Quad Core on it now.

which model Quad core are you testing?...can you give me max FSB for the model quad core that you are testing...also, please tell me what cpu cooling solution you are using....thanks
02-09-2007, 09:28 AM
Revv23

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Originally Posted by exhausted mule

From what i understand the higher strap is only looser timings and higher speeds that are run by the mch. If you have memory and a cpu that can run (or bench) at those speeds then the 1333 strap will suit you better. But from what i've seen not many combos can run at those high speeds.

Think of it as the difference between ram running at lower bus speeds with tighter timings and ram running higher bus speeds with looser timings. Sometimes the results will be better sometimes it wont.

The higher end of the 1333 strap probably wont come fully into play untill intel releases the 1333bus chips and release the next wave of mch's.

Just my opinion.

Nope, 1066 is always faster. 10x400 1:1 on 1066 with 800mhz memory is faster then 8x500 1333 1:1 with 500mhz memory same timings. Thats 100mhz more ram speed, and its still slower.
02-09-2007, 01:28 PM
Millyons

/\ exacly ...... 1333 strap would only be usefull for dice benchers or something like that, mabey not even then, those kind of benchers usualy have a few mobos to choose from....totaly pointles for 24/7 systems it kills performance.....even for e6300/6400 it would be better to use a 1066 strap at boot and raise higher with cg at windows start-up.....
02-09-2007, 03:12 PM
burn what?

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Originally Posted by Millyons

/\ exacly ...... 1333 strap would only be usefull for dice benchers or something like that, mabey not even then, those kind of benchers usualy have a few mobos to choose from....totaly pointles for 24/7 systems it kills performance.....even for e6300/6400 it would be better to use a 1066 strap at boot and raise higher with cg at windows start-up.....

??????? i've run my e6400 at 440x8 and 500x7, both we'll say are 3.5ghz. 1M super pi runs were actually a tad faster with 500x7, so i run that 24/7. ram is 1:1 so is in the 1333 strap, being 2000 actual, so i'm confused why you guys are saying 1066 is always faster and such? i admit that i'm no master of straps and timings and what not, but 440 was with 444-12 and 500 is 555-15, and the 500 was still faster in super pi. really the difference is nill, but the extra couple tenths of seconds i attributed to the higher memory speed at 500.
02-09-2007, 03:23 PM
Millyons

im not sure but i think i saw that somwhere that the gigabyte are always on the 1333 strap.....someone correct me if im wrong
02-09-2007, 04:06 PM
Ace-a-Rue

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Originally Posted by burn what?

??????? i've run my e6400 at 440x8 and 500x7, both we'll say are 3.5ghz. 1M super pi runs were actually a tad faster with 500x7, so i run that 24/7. ram is 1:1 so is in the 1333 strap, being 2000 actual, so i'm confused why you guys are saying 1066 is always faster and such? i admit that i'm no master of straps and timings and what not, but 440 was with 444-12 and 500 is 555-15, and the 500 was still faster in super pi. really the difference is nill, but the extra couple tenths of seconds i attributed to the higher memory speed at 500.

i think the speed difference has a lot to do with manufacturer of the memory and either using SPD or setting the timings manually in the bios or in windows...
02-09-2007, 04:16 PM
Ajfina

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Originally Posted by burn what?

??????? i've run my e6400 at 440x8 and 500x7, both we'll say are 3.5ghz. 1M super pi runs were actually a tad faster with 500x7, so i run that 24/7. ram is 1:1 so is in the 1333 strap, being 2000 actual, so i'm confused why you guys are saying 1066 is always faster and such? i admit that i'm no master of straps and timings and what not, but 440 was with 444-12 and 500 is 555-15, and the 500 was still faster in super pi. really the difference is nill, but the extra couple tenths of seconds i attributed to the higher memory speed at 500.

here is 2 diferent shots with a DS3 and quadgt ds3 at 1333 strap and quad gt at 1066 same speed and timing
02-09-2007, 07:57 PM
burn what?

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Originally Posted by Ajfina

here is 2 diferent shots with a DS3 and quadgt ds3 at 1333 strap and quad gt at 1066 same speed and timing

if both are running 500fsb with 1:1, how is 1 on the 1333 and the other on the 1066? is that where 1T or 2T comes into play? i thought the "strap" was just fsb x 4 because quad pumped, so anything resulting over 1066 was the 1066 'strap' and over 1333 was that strap. and now looking back at my post, both my oc's would be in the 1333 strap by my thinking! i'll shut up and go do some research!!!:slap:
02-09-2007, 08:09 PM
bingo13

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Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue

which model Quad core are you testing?...can you give me max FSB for the model quad core that you are testing...also, please tell me what cpu cooling solution you are using....thanks

I am using the QX6700 and Tuniq 120 with a high speed fan. I am still working on max FSB but you cannot use Vista 64 and a Quad Core on this board yet. ;)
02-09-2007, 08:30 PM
momomo6789

so this mobo runs the 1066 strap no matter the fsb b/c thats really nice : )
02-09-2007, 09:00 PM
Ajfina

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Originally Posted by burn what?

if both are running 500fsb with 1:1, how is 1 on the 1333 and the other on the 1066? is that where 1T or 2T comes into play? i thought the "strap" was just fsb x 4 because quad pumped, so anything resulting over 1066 was the 1066 'strap' and over 1333 was that strap. and now looking back at my post, both my oc's would be in the 1333 strap by my thinking! i'll shut up and go do some research!!!:slap:

check this out http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...77&postcount=1
and http://www.bleedinedgesupport.com/oc...ad.php?t=22297
02-09-2007, 09:01 PM
Ajfina

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Originally Posted by momomo6789

so this mobo runs the 1066 strap no matter the fsb b/c thats really nice : )

yes , so far we can only hit 525 fsb ,waiting on bios update
02-09-2007, 10:15 PM
exhausted mule

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Originally Posted by Revv23

Nope, 1066 is always faster. 10x400 1:1 on 1066 with 800mhz memory is faster then 8x500 1333 1:1 with 500mhz memory same timings. Thats 100mhz more ram speed, and its still slower.

i doubt 100mhz is enough to counteract the change in latency that intel is forcing on the mch. you're problaby looking at at least 166 mhz to just break even and a bit past that to start seeing better results.

i dont think these chipsets are meant to run high in the 1333 strap. (they ARE meant to run for 1066 bus cpu's however and the move over into the 1333strap is probalby only forced by the bios to allow for overclocking room.)

the nb's can't handle highclocks with tight timings (again, just like most of the time you'll see better results with tight, low speed ram and will only see good result few times with highbus slightly looser timed ram---> not many modules can run this and that's why ddr3 is coming out soon)

point is, most of the time you will not see a 1333 strap run better unless (like i said) you have memory, a cpu and a nb that able to run insane bus speeds.
02-09-2007, 10:49 PM
burn what?

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Originally Posted by Ajfina

check this out http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...77&postcount=1
and http://www.bleedinedgesupport.com/oc...ad.php?t=22297

thanks aj! still don't know how it gets down to the lower 1066 strap while 500fsb 1:1, but not a problem...
02-10-2007, 03:25 AM
JMKS

@burn what?:
Booted @ <=400 => 1066 strap
Booted @ >=400 => 1333 strap
So if You want to have 1066 on 440 FSB, You must boot @ 400 or below and use ClockGen or something similar to set 440 in Windows.

As for me, as I have Commando now and previously had P5B-Dlx, I've done some strap comparisions (by doing max Pi16M, software enviroment almost equal in both, slightly better with Commando, maybe ~1sec difference):
P5B-Dlx, 1333 strap of course, 510 FSB 4080MHz E6400, RAM 510 4-4-3-4 and 5m56.xxxs
Commando, 1066 strap (by SetFSB), and to beat time done with P5B-Dlx I need less than 490 FSB :woot:
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/678/spi16gg5.th.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8...re12ww3.th.jpg

So IMHO the strap thing is really, really important.

And my questions:
1) 1066 is the one and only on QuadGT, no additional option in BIOS to change this?
2) What V_NB need this board to operate on high (450+ etc) FSB?
On Commando I achieved so far 502 FSB 16M stable with 2,025V (max) on NB, and some crazy cooling (air, but chilled + some fans, with stock mobo heatsinks; yesterday I've installed HR-05 and I wonder what can I achieve ;)).
02-10-2007, 03:53 AM
mcaff

post your 3d mark results here
02-10-2007, 05:12 AM
CornerJack

Hi, I have a problem with my Abit QuadGT...

Impossible to have a FSB > 400MHz :/
If I choose a FSB > 400MHz, the motherboard boot, LCD FF but after screen blue and it's the same in XP with Uguru...

I think that I have a problem with bios...

http://users.skynet.be/fb331210/abitbios1.jpg

http://users.skynet.be/fb331210/abitbios2.jpg

It's not a problem of memory, it's Corsair 8500. I make test with two CPU and it's already the same problem...
It's possible to send to me a copy of you bios : cornerjack@overclex.net
Thank you !
02-10-2007, 08:41 AM
Ace-a-Rue

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Originally Posted by bingo13

I am using the QX6700 and Tuniq 120 with a high speed fan. I am still working on max FSB but you cannot use Vista 64 and a Quad Core on this board yet. ;)

THANK YOU for the reply...anxiously awaiting your results.:)
02-10-2007, 08:47 AM
burn what?

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Originally Posted by JMKS

@burn what?:
Booted @ <=400 => 1066 strap
Booted @ >=400 => 1333 strap
So if You want to have 1066 on 440 FSB, You must boot @ 400 or below and use ClockGen or something similar to set 440 in Windows.

Ah, the missing piece of my puzzle. thanks all, i wasn't as lost as i thought i was:)
02-10-2007, 08:47 AM
Ace-a-Rue

Quote:

Originally Posted by CornerJack

Hi, I have a problem with my Abit QuadGT...

Impossible to have a FSB > 400MHz :/
If I choose a FSB > 400MHz, the motherboard boot, LCD FF but after screen blue and it's the same in XP with Uguru...

I think that I have a problem with bios...

It's not a problem of memory, it's Corsair 8500. I make test with two CPU and it's already the same problem...
It's possible to send to me a copy of you bios : cornerjack@overclex.net
Thank you !

i wouldn't trust the uGuru software with any accurracy...the software could be interpolating the reading from the bios incorrectly...
02-10-2007, 08:57 AM
Ajfina

Quote:

Originally Posted by CornerJack

Hi, I have a problem with my Abit QuadGT...

Impossible to have a FSB > 400MHz :/
If I choose a FSB > 400MHz, the motherboard boot, LCD FF but after screen blue and it's the same in XP with Uguru...

I think that I have a problem with bios...

http://users.skynet.be/fb331210/abitbios1.jpg

http://users.skynet.be/fb331210/abitbios2.jpg

It's not a problem of memory, it's Corsair 8500. I make test with two CPU and it's already the same problem...
It's possible to send to me a copy of you bios : cornerjack@overclex.net
Thank you !

get the bios here corner http://forum.abit-usa.com/showthread.php?t=119222
and yes do NOT trust uguru software , someone at the abit forum burned a pair of corsair cause the uguru
02-10-2007, 09:04 AM
Ajfina

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMKS

And my questions:
1) 1066 is the one and only on QuadGT, no additional option in BIOS to change this?
2) What V_NB need this board to operate on high (450+ etc) FSB?

1 533,800 and 1066 are the only option on this board
2 i use 1.65 for 500fsb for 401 i use 155, i havent try less than that so maybe another menber can confirm this
02-10-2007, 09:04 AM
burn what?

if i were to use clockgen or the gigabyte software, easytune, the bios would be say 350fsb, when i raise it in software should i increase vcore then fsb speed, seems logical in that order. also, bios should not be more than 333fsb to stay in the 1066 strap, right? say 340x4=1360, which would not be in the 1066 strap, am i correct? or would i be better off to stay at 266, tight timings, then use a divider say 4:5 or 1:2? would i still be in the 1066 strap with high divider? thanks again

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