umm no because "fangirlism" apparently is a Lord of the Rings referenceQuote:
Originally Posted by arisythila
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umm no because "fangirlism" apparently is a Lord of the Rings referenceQuote:
Originally Posted by arisythila
Well, I dont like to talk about boys... only the girls.... Im sure your the same way.
~Mike
I think we all need to be more patient. The first K8 ES benchmarks appeared in June 2002 and K8 didn't launch until 16 months later in September 2003.Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaminc
As for all the performance speculation, I am constantly amazed by how many people will believe anything when it's what they want to hear.
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Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl
To some, computing is religion. You don't need facts, just faith ;)
I agree with this guy fully..Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I hope AMD does what it has to do VS Intel, not because I want them back out front, but price to performance will drop consideraby for us all..
Whether this will be TRUE or NOT...I hope INTEL is reading this and getting really scared/paranoid to get them to work harder for their next release. Complacency and arrogance can lead to a weak and dissappointing product.
Amen to that. Just look at AM2, Brisbane and 4x4. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by turbox997
We didn't see anything other than maybe 1 screenshot until about a week before AM2 came out. Its typical AMD you don't see anything until it comes out.Quote:
Originally Posted by vitaminc
they haven't publicly released a demo of anything with the purchase of ATI and with the delays of the R600 AMD needs to show they have new products not just die shrinks. How do they expect to keep investors when they haven't released a single new (R600 or any quad core processors) product? The RD600 was long in development before the buy out.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjaWreck
What is wrong comparing a C2D to a 3 year old architecture. K8 is that old, though AM2 just hit the market in may 06.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn.
Furthermore I posted in belief that K8L wont be out before the end of Q3, which is false.
Funny how people react after I posted that.
I am not a Intel fanboy at all. I have owned 4 times as many AMD cpus as Intel cpus. I just tend to buy the best bang for the buck and I never believe in pre release benchmarks or announcements (as there are not even benchmarks in this case) of the company which is making that product.
I cant remember what kinda benchmarks Intel showed before C2D was released, because I didnt really care. I prefer to base my reasons to buy hardware on proven facts and not mystical proclamation.
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Originally Posted by Fr3ak
you was commenting on how people are willing to compare C2D with Stars so i pointed out to you that the comparison is being already held about 2 products that are separeated years apart so you should not be suprised by the fact that products separeatd by months are compared.
AM2 is still K8, C2D is not NetBurst
The best of AMD will compete against the best of Intel: K8L vs Core2(be it 65nm or 45nm).
personally, i think its ok to compare anything to anything. who cares if its not out yet, who cares if something is old tech. it may be a pissing match between intel and amd, but its not a pissing match between us. if one of us post some prereleased benchmarks of k8l, then its ok to compare those to any benchmark out there. its just a rough estimate to figure out how something will perform. if intel decided to throw up some benchmarks on the web of there next chip, then thats fair game to be compared to anything thats out there. if amd put some up, then that too is ok to compare to anything out there. who cares if this is going against that and this is old tech vs new tech? if we have the benchmarks, then lets see where that puppy stands!
It's true that comparing Core2Duo to three-year old technology (A64) is a little unfair. AMD has the chance now to best Core2... but then what?
They are allocating their resources to creating K8L right now, slating a release in Q3/Q4. But what about Intel?
Intel is already working on a 45nm answer to Core2Duo - Nehelem - and they are already pumping out 45nm chips. What it comes down to is resources.
Intel has more money, more fabs, more R&D, and their die-shrink to 45nm has already been successful. AMD's K8L will be based off of 65nm technology still. What this means is, while AMD is working on going from 65nm to 45nm, Intel will (probably) almost be ready for the next die shrink (from 45nm to what? 22nm?)
I want AMD to keep Intel in a sweat. Competition is always good for the consumer. If AMD falls, Intel will be what's left, and then what improves? Intel would become lax.
Companies don't follow progression, they follow money.
I want some K8L numbers, not biased speculation.
I find EVERY post in here unreliable =)
Brent..... I think everybody here has it wrong.... See Intel PWN's AMD. Especially when you overclock them.
wOOt for Intel. Common everybody say it with me.. "wOOt for Intel"
~Mike
brent, it's been plenty of time now for AMD to have made a new architecture that'll completely blow Intel's away. AMD started announcing it's plans for K8L quite a while back, before C2D came out, as I recall.
the FACTS as they stand right now are that Intel costs a little bit more, but is a TON faster. the facts as they stood when it was K8 vs NetBurst were that Intel costed a LOT more, but performed a LOT worse. the facts when K8L is released? we can't know that yet, but i'm choosing to be optimistic and hope that AMD at least marginally beats Intel. granted, if it's only marginal that means a new architecture will be due a lot sooner rather than having a couple years. but we really don't mind that either!
Yeah,it was me who forced that one out ^^ :).I'm positively surprised by the event :) and i welcome it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LOE
Barcelona may be 40% faster than cloverton, but the 45nm generation will be clocked 40% higher, not to mention the extra cache etc. so any advantage will be gone within a short period of time.