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10-31-2006, 10:12 AM
v_parrello

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwerty69

@ & johnpetrucci9, nice consolation to know i'm not alone with this problem. :) This looks like the same old mobo/ram compatibility issue.

It sounds very strange ... I don't know about your and SlackerXL configurations because I never tried your memory kits, but I have the same configuration of johnpetrucci9 (p5w64+gskill hz) and for me it works well.
For this reason for me this don't looks like mobo/ram compatibility issue.

Now, in the following screenshot I am trying with vmem 2,35v, DDR2-1000 4-4-4-5 and tRD (Read Delay)=7, tRFC (Refresh Cycle Time)=42.

Which tweaks have you already used? If you don't try yet, I think you have to try to raise vmem and set tRD and tRFC with different values.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6...0004sm9.th.jpg

Generally speaking, I think that memory kits that are using chip micron D9 are able to work at DDR2-1000.

P.S.: I have already tried OCZ Crossfire 6400 2gb kit and they was not able to work at DDR2-1000, no way! At this frequency they was very instable!
10-31-2006, 02:21 PM
SlackerXL

Quote:

Originally Posted by v_parrello

It sounds very strange ... I don't know about your and SlackerXL configurations because I never tried your memory kits, but I have the same configuration of johnpetrucci9 (p5w64+gskill hz) and for me it works well.
For this reason for me this don't looks like mobo/ram compatibility issue.

Now, in the following screenshot I am trying with vmem 2,35v, DDR2-1000 4-4-4-5 and tRD (Read Delay)=7, tRFC (Refresh Cycle Time)=42.

Which tweaks have you already used? If you don't try yet, I think you have to try to raise vmem and set tRD and tRFC with different values.

unfortunately for now i'm stuck with the WS-Pro...
so no bios option for tRFC.. (memset is not an option for the everyday rig..)
Read delay was always set @7 on both boards...

Quote:

Originally Posted by v_parrello

Generally speaking, I think that memory kits that are using chip micron D9 are able to work at DDR2-1000.
P.S.: I have already tried OCZ Crossfire 6400 2gb kit and they was not able to work at DDR2-1000, no way! At this frequency they was very instable!

i'm not suggesting memory incompatibility...
just that since the board won't run stable at manually set timmings (through bios)
and thus requires either spd settings or increased vdim & vmch,
i suspect that memory is forced to run tighter than it was supposed to...
resulting in limited o/c-ability...

i mean i see that i can boot @ddr1000
maybe do a couple of spi runs...
but thats it...
V2.4 is the max vdimm i got...
(although Hipro's maximizer now seems more usefull than ever)
I'd really like to have a bios with more relaxed subtimmings...
but thats just me.... and prolly my pci-x raid controller
that really needs the P5WDG2-WS Pro :p:
10-31-2006, 02:49 PM
camouflage

:( Download BIOS 0303 still doesn't work.............:stick:
10-31-2006, 03:07 PM
RacerX

Before my board died I managed this with 116 bios, tried 303 and couldn't even come close to that. Using 1gb of Patriot DDR2 8000XBL that has D9 micron. I've booted even higher using the shipping bios but never saved a screenie. Never did get a chance with my TeamXtreme 2gb 667 3-3-3 sticks.

http://home.comcast.net/~phippy1/E6600.JPG
11-01-2006, 12:06 AM
camouflage

Quote:

Originally Posted by RacerX

Before my board died I managed this with 116 bios, tried 303 and couldn't even come close to that. Using 1gb of Patriot DDR2 8000XBL that has D9 micron. I've booted even higher using the shipping bios but never saved a screenie. Never did get a chance with my TeamXtreme 2gb 667 3-3-3 sticks.

:( Sorry to hear about Your board loss - what happenad...?:confused:
11-01-2006, 02:40 PM
johnpetrucci9

Quote:

Originally Posted by v_parrello

It sounds very strange ... I don't know about your and SlackerXL configurations because I never tried your memory kits, but I have the same configuration of johnpetrucci9 (p5w64+gskill hz) and for me it works well.
For this reason for me this don't looks like mobo/ram compatibility issue.

Now, in the following screenshot I am trying with vmem 2,35v, DDR2-1000 4-4-4-5 and tRD (Read Delay)=7, tRFC (Refresh Cycle Time)=42.

Which tweaks have you already used? If you don't try yet, I think you have to try to raise vmem and set tRD and tRFC with different values.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6...0004sm9.th.jpg

Generally speaking, I think that memory kits that are using chip micron D9 are able to work at DDR2-1000.

P.S.: I have already tried OCZ Crossfire 6400 2gb kit and they was not able to work at DDR2-1000, no way! At this frequency they was very instable!

I tried until @ 2,2v max...
11-01-2006, 03:51 PM
RacerX

camouflage,

Ah, don't know exactly. Went to reboot and never posted again. Some members said it was a hard lock so I cleared cmos several times, pulled battery and unplugged everything on the board and still refused to post. Tried for several days with no luck so back to Newegg it went. Hopefully I get a better one this time around as the last maxed out at 435fsb with 1.8MCH, hope to get on of those 450+.

Hell I liked the board some much I might not wait for the RMA one and just order another so I'll have 2.:banana:
11-02-2006, 08:13 AM
DarkSephiroth

Whats the best vFSB that i should set it to? I can't do 1.5 because then it will create system crash and all sort of problem
11-02-2006, 09:29 AM
Dani

FSB max 1.4V, if 1.5V your MCH will not be the value you selected from BIOS
11-02-2006, 11:09 AM
DarkSephiroth

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dani

FSB max 1.4V, if 1.5V your MCH will not be the value you selected from BIOS

I see, thanks
11-02-2006, 12:11 PM
camouflage

Quote:

Originally Posted by RacerX

camouflage,

Ah, don't know exactly. Went to reboot and never posted again. Some members said it was a hard lock so I cleared cmos several times, pulled battery and unplugged everything on the board and still refused to post. Tried for several days with no luck so back to Newegg it went. Hopefully I get a better one this time around as the last maxed out at 435fsb with 1.8MCH, hope to get on of those 450+.

Hell I liked the board some much I might not wait for the RMA one and just order another so I'll have 2.:banana:

;) I cross my fingers for 475+............:woot:
11-08-2006, 08:39 AM
mcfurius

HELP with BIOS downgrade needed...

I upgraded from 0215 to 0304 and now the CPU went from an idle temperature of 40C to 55-60C!!!!!

I have a Floppy drive and a bootable USB drive, but I still can't rollback my BIOS. I have tried both AFUDOS and EZ-FLASH from both the USB boot (EZ FLASH recognizes the USB key), and from the floppy, but I get the message "this bios is older than that currently running" (or some variant of that message). I'm running Vista 5744 and the damn AsusUpdate software doesn't install. Does anyone know how I can rollback to 0215?

Also, I'm having this strange problem where on every single boot (cold or restart), after USB initialization and RAM count, there is a 20-45 second pause (variable) before the HDD, DVD, and USB devices are detected. This is crazy slow and hasn't been fixed by ANY Bios version. I have a Promise SuperTrac 8350EX in there, but I've even tried pulling out the card and I still get the delay. I'm running an Pioneer DVR111D and a WD Raptor 150 SATA.
Has anyone else run into this? HELP
11-08-2006, 10:24 AM
v_parrello

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcfurius

I upgraded from 0215 to 0304 and now the CPU went from an idle temperature of 40C to 55-60C!!!!!

I have a Floppy drive and a bootable USB drive, but I still can't rollback my BIOS. I have tried both AFUDOS and EZ-FLASH from both the USB boot (EZ FLASH recognizes the USB key), and from the floppy, but I get the message "this bios is older than that currently running" (or some variant of that message). I'm running Vista 5744 and the damn AsusUpdate software doesn't install. Does anyone know how I can rollback to 0215?

Also, I'm having this strange problem where on every single boot (cold or restart), after USB initialization and RAM count, there is a 20-45 second pause (variable) before the HDD, DVD, and USB devices are detected. This is crazy slow and hasn't been fixed by ANY Bios version. I have a Promise SuperTrac 8350EX in there, but I've even tried pulling out the card and I still get the delay. I'm running an Pioneer DVR111D and a WD Raptor 150 SATA.
Has anyone else run into this? HELP

To downgrade the bios version you could try with afudos ver. 2.07 (ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/flash/AFUDOS207.zip)
With this afudos version there is no control about bios version.

I have a similar configuration (with promise supertrack EX-8350) but I don't think that the problem could be the controller. If Raptor is linked to the ICH7R controller, I red (I forget were) about some incompatibility issues between WD Raptor 150 SATA and ICH7R controller. Try to disconnect the WD Raptor 150 and you see what happens. Repeat the same operation with DVD and USB devices until you will found the device responsible for this unusual delay.
11-08-2006, 11:31 AM
Ibinco

Guys STAY CLEAR OF 0304 BIOS ITS CORRUPT. I Spent half a day getting things back to normal. Whilst rebooting my rig today...the mobo went cold. Tried to go back to previous bios and it wouldnt let me. Only way to do so was to use the new afudos 2.7. Besides this...the CPU was running 15C warmer than usual! so please STAY CLEAR OF 0304. Horrible corrupt BIOS!

I forgot the lesson i learnt some time ago dont just drop down any betabios into your system...it can seriously mess things up! :slapass:
11-08-2006, 12:21 PM
Supafish111

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibinco

Guys STAY CLEAR OF 0304 BIOS ITS CORRUPT. I Spent half a day getting things back to normal. Whilst rebooting my rig today...the mobo went cold. Tried to go back to previous bios and it wouldnt let me. Only way to do so was to use the new afudos 2.7. Besides this...the CPU was running 15C warmer than usual! so please STAY CLEAR OF 0304. Horrible corrupt BIOS!

I forgot the lesson i learnt some time ago dont just drop down any betabios into your system...it can seriously mess things up! :slapass:

LOL too late.. now I have to find a floppy to downgrade. This bios is real buggy. Anyone one knoe which bios is best???? TIA
11-08-2006, 12:30 PM
mcfurius

Quote:

Originally Posted by v_parrello

To downgrade the bios version you could try with afudos ver. 2.07 (ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/flash/AFUDOS207.zip)
With this afudos version there is no control about bios version.

I have a similar configuration (with promise supertrack EX-8350) but I don't think that the problem could be the controller. If Raptor is linked to the ICH7R controller, I red (I forget were) about some incompatibility issues between WD Raptor 150 SATA and ICH7R controller. Try to disconnect the WD Raptor 150 and you see what happens. Repeat the same operation with DVD and USB devices until you will found the device responsible for this unusual delay.

Thanks a lot for the feedback. I decided to format and go back to Windows XP until RTM and distribution in a couple of months just to give some companies the chance to release tools and drivers better suited for Vista. I'll install the Asus Update tool and try the downgrade, if that doesn't work, I'll try AFUDOS 2.07. Thanks for the link.

As for the Raptor drive being the cause of the boot-up delay, that could very well be true, because I believe I've plugged it into the ICH7R (the Intel controller, not the Marvell). I can try switching over to the Marvell if it is the issue?

I'll report back when I have a chance to test out these theories. Thanks again.
11-08-2006, 03:05 PM
The Asgard

304 is working fine for me. CPU temps normal, no crashing.
11-08-2006, 05:17 PM
ivo0613

0304 works fine for me too.:)
11-08-2006, 08:24 PM
mcfurius

Okay, I managed to use AFUDOS 2.07 to go back from 0304 to 0215, and temperature is back to normal. I don't know why some people don't get this issue, but I definitely ran about 15 C hotter with 0304 in place.

As for my boot problem, it's still there. I have a 30-50 second hang between the RAM count being shown and the USB devices + HDD + DVD being recognized / initialized. I have tried stripping the system until there is nothing left (not even an HDD), and the problem is still there, so it can't be an issue with the Raptor 150 vs. ICH7R chipset. I think I have a faulty P5W64 WS Pro, so I may try another one, or go to the P5W DH or whatever it's called.

This boot delay blows, and I even have the IDE wait time for device response set to 0 seconds now... crapola.
11-09-2006, 02:29 AM
Icer

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcfurius

I definitely ran about 15 C hotter with 0304 in place.

Same
11-10-2006, 06:51 AM
AcUaViVa

two questions

what DRAM seetings yo use for 350-400FSB? ( i have DDR800 D9 an like to take all of your potencial)

what bios hare using? 303 here
11-11-2006, 06:29 AM
Nvidiot

I've got the P5W64 PRO,C2D E6000, GSkill DDR2-1000 rated mem, W/C cpu only, and I noticed a few things that dont make sense to me with the CPU multiplier adjustment on this board.

Scenario 1: Set FSB to 350 set mem to DDR 700 leave mult at 9x (in bios leave "Default CPU Ratio" set to enabled), PCI locked to 33.33 / PCIe locked at 101. Everything else at default. System boots and works fine.

Scenario 2: Same settings as scenario 1, but change Default Ratio to Disabled and set multiplier to 8 (which is slower). System will not boot!!!! What changes besides the multiplier? It's like everything goes haywire when you change the Default ratio from Enabled to Disabled?

Anyone have any ideas on this?

Second Odd behavior is that of the CPU voltage adjustment (maybe already noted some place here but I've not seen it mentioned). When I switch from auto cpu voltage (which apparently turns off the CPU Interal Throttle Control) to manual voltage and I select 1.38v in bios (both in hw monitor in bios and pcprobeII) it shows 1.45v!! It appears to add .07v or so. Has anyone else seen this?

Finally, just a general question.

What are the recommended ICH / MCH / FSB voltages or at least the ones you guys are using for the 3.6 GHz OC? I can't get my computer to even post at 9x400 so I am trying to figure out where I have gone so wrong. Best I have done thus far is 9x380 but Orthos stops after 2 seconds. My cpu temp is 32C and my memory is at DDR2-800 (below spec), so I doubt it is a heat issue or memory issue. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance for your help.

-Nv
11-11-2006, 03:10 PM
SlackerXL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nvidiot

Second Odd behavior is that of the CPU voltage adjustment (maybe already noted some place here but I've not seen it mentioned). When I switch from auto cpu voltage (which apparently turns off the CPU Interal Throttle Control) to manual voltage and I select 1.38v in bios (both in hw monitor in bios and pcprobeII) it shows 1.45v!! It appears to add .07v or so. Has anyone else seen this?

yeap
both the WS pro and WS64 overvolt...
aprox. 0,05v in windows i'd say...(idle)
and when you hit load levels above 50% on both cores
it tends to stabilize around 0,02-03
would't worry about it too much though...
(especially after all the previous seriously Undervolting Asus motherboards)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nvidiot

Finally, just a general question.

What are the recommended ICH / MCH / FSB voltages or at least the ones you guys are using for the 3.6 GHz OC? I can't get my computer to even post at 9x400 so I am trying to figure out where I have gone so wrong. Best I have done thus far is 9x380 but Orthos stops after 2 seconds. My cpu temp is 32C and my memory is at DDR2-800 (below spec), so I doubt it is a heat issue or memory issue. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance for your help.

-Nv

four similar - Orthos Priority9 stable - configurations i've build recently
all based on both the WS Pro & WS 64
with 6600s (various batch numbers)
will most likely settle @ 4x900 with:
Vcore 1,45 (prolly it will pass prime & SnM even@ 1.42 but orthos....)
Vmch 1.6
Vfsb 1.5
Vich7r auto...
mem timmings by spd...
(unfortunately i still haven't found a bios version
that is not that quirky when it comes to manually set memory timmings)
11-11-2006, 06:30 PM
Supafish111

Here are my settings....still testing tho

E6600 Week 29B
FSB @ 423*9
VDIMM @ 2.35 [Running Team Xtreme PC2-6400C3]
FSB:RAM @ 1:1
VCORE @ 1.4500 [Bios Setting, 1.490 Asus Probe Reading]
FSB TERM @ 1.40
MCH @ 1.70
ICH @ 1.20
RAM @ 3-3-3-6-3(TWR)

PCMark 2005 Stable with score of 9200 with stock GFX settings
Orthos blend stable for approx 1 hour
Orthos small FFT stable for 2+ hours (user aborted...I want BLEND STABLE DAMNIT!)

Temps @ 35C idle via CoreTemp & iTAT, 55-57C load

Any recommendations on what settings I should change?????

SuPaFisH
11-12-2006, 12:34 AM
BarboneNet

hi guys....where can i find a beta bios 304??? Thanks ;)

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