AMD vs Conroe - Take a look at this guys Opinion :)

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Originally Posted by crackhead2k

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1048774


Conroe benchies already beated the :banana::banana::banana::banana: out of it... and this guy can even spell...



Cheat?! wtf im sure 4 mb doesnt just boost performance that much check the stages... and clock speed lmao
This guy did not consider a whole bunch of stuff...

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You have to admit, FX-60 beats the :banana::banana::banana::banana: out of any of its generation CPU at Intel. But Conroe is another generation of CPU, It damn well better beat the FX-60.

As of Cheating... IS this guy off his rocker? Intel processors have been known to benefit from large amounts of Cache. Thats why AMD went with a Integrated Memory Controller. It cuts down on latency on memory hits. AMD doesnt benefits like the Intel CPU's do.

~Mike

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

There's a lot of reseach you need to do Bro! Conore = Kick Ass=P Games are where it really kicked the crap out of anything AMD has until K8G launches and even that is a wait and see deal.

The Frames Per Second to Dollar Ratio also is where the FX anything is being slammed all over the place. Then add to this Heat, Power Draw and still better than AMD platforms and AMD really has a tough road ahead. Their biggest problem is costs and folks running out to by now will be kicking themselves just as they back from July 2000 to Sept when the bottom fell out of the Athlon Market then as well.

As for Kingpin, let's pull the head out of Green Sand for a minute? You're talking about $1000+ processor and how much for the cooling? That's $1,XXX to outgun a Processor that will cost about $520 WHEN IT SHIPPS by July 23rd. Remaining loyal to AMD is one thing, trying to justify doing so is another. Yes Xtreme Systems is about Extremes but Extremely Stupid is not one the Extremes.

The cost of the FX-62 =
$520 Processor
$175 RAM
$200 Motherboard

Now that may have been find when AMD was the champ, now is seems bogus even against Yonah before Conroe launches. Makes FX-62 look real LAME since many AMD owners will have to buy Mobo, DDR2 and the overpriced Processor.

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How does Yonah do in 64 bit? Because I've only seen 32 bit. It did well in 32 bit. I want to see 64 bit benches. I bought the FX-60 because Its a nice processor, It makes my penis feel complete. :D I've seen Kingpin pull some CRAZY mad fresh bandwidth with the new AM2. not sure if its record breaking yet.. But we will see.

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Originally Posted by Durzel

lol

How can the word "cheating" be used seriously? How is it "cheating" to include something in a microprocessor design? There is nothing stopping AMD sticking 4MB of L2 cache in their next processors, and then Intel sticking 8MB in, and so on.

It's not "cheating", its just design.

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There are some very good designs that would have costed too much to build and were left on the cutting room floor. Intel walked away from their Timna and went with something cheaper. AMD stuck with their K8 and sold it at a higher cost. It performed well but was harder manufacture, slow to RAMP up and still took AMD 5 more Quarters to turn a REAL profit. So goes the trade offs. It's not that AMD was great, it's that Intel slipped, flopped and floundered. AMD stepped into a VOID. Now that they seem to have their footing, AMD will have to make sure they don't slip, flop and flounder. It is wayyyyyyy easier for Intel to fill AMD's VOID than AMD to fill Intel's.

A guy on another forum asked"What's AMD's AM2 outlook for the next year?" My answer is hope Intel screws up somewhere.:) I'm sure Intel was wishing for the same when X2 launched.

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Originally Posted by arisythila

How does Yonah do in 64 bit? Because I've only seen 32 bit. It did well in 32 bit. I want to see 64 bit benches. I bought the FX-60 because Its a nice processor, It makes my penis feel complete. :D I've seen Kingpin pull some CRAZY mad fresh bandwidth with the new AM2. not sure if its record breaking yet.. But we will see.

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I have a 3500+ and don't run 64bit, I could care less. SO does most of the Market or more folks would be using it. I didn't buy an FX-60 because I don't worry about MY E-PENIS, though my Wife likes my real one:D IMHO, the FX60 costs about 50% too much. More power to those who think it has a fair or nice price.

Here's what will hurt AMD the most;

http://techreport.com/ja.zz?comments=10046

Core 2 Extreme X6800 2.93 GHz 4 MB $999
Core 2 Duo E6700 2.67 GHz 4 MB $530
Core 2 Duo E6600 2.40 GHz 4 MB $316
Core 2 Duo E6400 2.13 GHz 2 MB $224
Core 2 Duo E6300 1.86 GHz 2 MB $183

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

I have a 3500+ and don't run 64bit, I could care less. SO does most of the Market or more folks would be using it. I didn't buy an FX-60 because I don't worry about MY E-PENIS, though my Wife likes my real one:D IMHO, the FX60 costs about 50% too much. More power to those who think it has a fair or nice price.

Here's what will hurt AMD the most;

http://techreport.com/ja.zz?comments=10046

Core 2 Extreme X6800 2.93 GHz 4 MB $999
Core 2 Duo E6700 2.67 GHz 4 MB $530
Core 2 Duo E6600 2.40 GHz 4 MB $316
Core 2 Duo E6400 2.13 GHz 2 MB $224
Core 2 Duo E6300 1.86 GHz 2 MB $183

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When Windows Vista drops, you will start seeing alot more people switching to 64 bit. I was also being facious about the penis. I got the FX-60 because I could basically, same reason I will get the FX-62.

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Originally Posted by arisythila

How does Yonah do in 64 bit? Because I've only seen 32 bit. It did well in 32 bit. I want to see 64 bit benches. I bought the FX-60 because Its a nice processor, It makes my penis feel complete. :D I've seen Kingpin pull some CRAZY mad fresh bandwidth with the new AM2. not sure if its record breaking yet.. But we will see.

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First of all, Yonahs are only 32bit. Second, Yonahs overclock FAR better than current AMD CPUs, which in the end makes it a better value. Just curious, why do you want 64bit benches? Are you using a 64bit OS?

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

There's a lot of reseach you need to do Bro! Conore = Kick Ass=P Games are where it really kicked the crap out of anything AMD has until K8G launches and even that is a wait and see deal.

The Frames Per Second to Dollar Ratio also is where the FX anything is being slammed all over the place. Then add to this Heat, Power Draw and still better than AMD platforms and AMD really has a tough road ahead. Their biggest problem is costs and folks running out to by now will be kicking themselves just as they back from July 2000 to Sept when the bottom fell out of the Athlon Market then as well.

As for Kingpin, let's pull the head out of Green Sand for a minute? You're talking about $1000+ processor and how much for the cooling? That's $1,XXX to outgun a Processor that will cost about $520 WHEN IT SHIPPS by July 23rd. Remaining loyal to AMD is one thing, trying to justify doing so is another. Yes Xtreme Systems is about Extremes but Extremely Stupid is not one the Extremes.

The cost of the FX-62 =
$520 Processor
$175 RAM
$200 Motherboard

Now that may have been find when AMD was the champ, now is seems bogus even against Yonah before Conroe launches. Makes FX-62 look real LAME since many AMD owners will have to buy Mobo, DDR2 and the overpriced Processor.

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U didnt catch the idea. I wasnt saying: buy FX-62 instead of Conroe. It would be stupid for sure. and I wasnt talking about what to buy at all. Read my comment one more time before argueing :stick:

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Originally Posted by BlackX

U didnt catch the idea. I wasnt saying: buy FX-62 instead of Conroe. It would be stupid for sure. and I wasnt talking about what to buy at all. Read my comment one more time before argueing :stick:

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No No and no again. I was mainly talking about this.

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k|ngp|n is already making wonders with his FX-62 so dont hurry to depreciate AMD.

Conroe - benching
FX - Gaming

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Folly of overclocking a $1000 processor with expensive cooling for E-Penis satisfaction or whatever is not so great, not about if you or I should buy or not.

Conroe = Kicking the Crap out of FX in GAMEs or Benchmarks, get it?

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Originally Posted by arisythila

When Windows Vista drops, you will start seeing alot more people switching to 64 bit. I was also being facious about the penis. I got the FX-60 because I could basically, same reason I will get the FX-62.

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I'll worry about Vista when it gets here in or about Jan-07. I'm sure if I wanted a FX-62, it too will be a lot more affordable by then as well. I'm getting Conore and I'm sure it is 64bit enabled and I still will not use a 64bit version of MS-WXP. Or I could then buy the 65nm version of the FX or whatever. Buying FX-62 is not very smart right *now.

*July is not a long time.

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

No No and no again. I was mainly talking about this.



Folly of overclocking a $1000 processor with expensive cooling for E-Penis satisfaction or whatever is not so great, not about if you or I should buy or not.

Conroe = Kicking the Crap out of FX in GAMEs or Benchmarks, get it?

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r u drunk? :stick:
this is absolute fanboyism of conroe. :slap:
btw FX-62 holds 05 record at 51k+ and this is only begining. :fact:

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5692

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Originally Posted by Hexus

It's abundantly clear that Conroe will be the fastest CPU in town when it hits in a few weeks' time. It pulverises all present CPUs in the majority of CPU-based benchmarks. Just take a look at the Far Cry (speed) scores!

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Originally Posted by BlackX

r u drunk? :stick:
this is absolute fanboyism of conroe. :slap:
btw FX-62 holds 05 record at 51k+ and this is only begining. :fact:

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I'm not but you must be drunk with Fanboy love for AMD LOL! Have fun playing 3DMarks 05 or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Hexus

It's abundantly clear that Conroe will be the fastest CPU in town when it hits in a few weeks' time. It pulverises all present CPUs in the majority of CPU-based benchmarks. Just take a look at the Far Cry (speed) scores!

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5692

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about this review is another thread.

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

I not but you must be drunk with Fanboy love for AMD LOL! Have fun playing 3DMarks 05 or whatever.

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u dont know what r u talking about cus I will get the E6600 when its released :p:

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Originally Posted by BlackX

u dont know what r u talking about cus I will get the E6600 when its released :p:

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That means nothing, it's you who might be drunk "FX = Gaming" when Conroe kicks the crap out of FX for games and hell even Yonah is no slouch. Then you call me a Fanboy for pointing that out? Dewd, relax and chill the hell out LOL! Last time I needed a gaming rig I bought my current 3500+/Asus A8N SLI. I confess to being a straight up Fanboy awe-iight (Homeboy style) I'm a fan of my Wallet:)

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

That means nothing, it's you who might be drunk "FX = Gaming" when Conroe kicks the crap out of FX for games and hell even Yonah is no slouch. Then you call me a Fanboy for pointing that out? Dewd, relax and chill the hell out LOL! Last time I needed a gaming rig I bought my current 3500+/Asus A8N SLI. I confess to being a straight up Fanboy awe-iight (Homeboy style) I'm a fan of my Wallet:)

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nothing personal m8 :toast:

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Originally Posted by BlackX

nothing personal m8 :toast:

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Same here M8:woot:

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Originally Posted by BlackX

r u drunk? :stick:
this is absolute fanboyism of conroe. :slap:
btw FX-62 holds 05 record at 51k+ and this is only begining. :fact:

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I think you mean 03 ?

03 is now the most graphically orientated 3dmark bench now so it is mainly k|ngp|ns video cards running at 1023/1062 ( 2100 effective ) that is doing the damage. It's not the cpu it is expertise by the bencher and nvidia creating the big score.

The only test in 03 that is cpu bound is GT1 and you only get 7.6 points per frame I seem to recall.

Regards

Andy

I dont know whever to cry or laugh. Some of the comments are just rediculous, please can someone tell me where I can buy a conroe right NOW? Oh, yup, mmm, thts right YOU CANT, so why are so many peeps acting like you can

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I like alot of peeps cant wait to see conroe available for purchase, but right now IT ISNT, so I am a little dissapointed tht some of the forums older members are acting like it is available.

AM2 is the best performance CPU available, this is a FACT(please dont get pedantic on me, you know wht i mean ;)). When conroe is released for PUBLIC sale it will be the king of the hill. It is based on a new architecture, it is NEW TECHNOLOGY. It would be great if peeps would stop acting like AM2 was meant to go up against conroe as it WASNT.

I never could understand fanboy's, logic always goes out the windows......

apologies for the CAPS, just trying to get a point across

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Originally Posted by mongoled

I dont know whever to cry or laugh. Some of the comments are just rediculous, please can someone tell me where I can buy a conroe right NOW? Oh, yup, mmm, thts right YOU CANT, so why are so many peeps acting like you can

:confused:

I like alot of peeps cant wait to see conroe available for purchase, but right now IT ISNT, so I am a little dissapointed tht some of the forums older members are acting like it is available.

AM2 is the best performance CPU available, this is a FACT(please dont get pedantic on me, you know wht i mean ;)). When conroe is released for PUBLIC sale it will be the king of the hill. It is based on a new architecture, it is NEW TECHNOLOGY. It would be great if peeps would stop acting like AM2 was meant to go up against conroe as it WASNT.

I never could understand fanboy's, logic always goes out the windows......

apologies for the CAPS, just trying to get a point across

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So Yonah isn't out?

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

So Yonah isn't out?

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:confused: :confused:

Yonah == core duo

Conroe == core2 duo

The thread title is abt AMD v Conroe

Did u mention yonah because you believe it has better performance than AMD best chip? If you have then I aint going to argue with you as to which one is better. I know what I have read and I think I have already made it quite clear what I believe.

and besides we are talking abt Conroe

:rolleyes:

Thanks, mongoled! Good post! :toast:

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Originally Posted by mongoled

AM2 is the best performance CPU available, this is a FACT(please dont get pedantic on me, you know wht i mean ;)).

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You mean Windsor...;) AM2 is still a SOCKET! Or are you saying that the new Semprons are the best?
Oops, I got pedantic. Kill me.
:wierd:

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Originally Posted by Mats

Thanks, mongoled! Good post! :toast:

You mean Windsor...;) AM2 is still a SOCKET! Or are you saying that the new Semprons are the best?
Oops, I got pedantic. Kill me.
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hehehehee :D, i am coming to get here

muuhhahaahhahaa

:flame:

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Originally Posted by mongoled

:confused: :confused:

Yonah == core duo

Conroe == core2 duo

The thread title is abt AMD v Conroe

Did u mention yonah because you believe it has better performance than AMD best chip? If you have then I aint going to argue with you as to which one is better. I know what I have read and I think I have already made it quite clear what I believe.

and besides we are talking abt Conroe

:rolleyes:

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No, you said "AM2 is the best performance CPU available, this is a FACT(please dont get pedantic on me, you know wht i mean ). " and stated it as a FACT, no your biased view can't change the fact that Yonah is "available", oh brother. On wait, we must exclude it so you can make an AMD Biased Fanboy point!:rolleyes: Yeah, LOL I know wht you mean. Available/Fact doesn't mean limited to this frackin' thread hehehe!

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

No, you said "AM2 is the best performance CPU available, this is a FACT(please dont get pedantic on me, you know wht i mean ). " and stated it as a FACT, no your biased view can't change the fact that Yonah is "available", oh brother. On wait, we must exclude it so you can make an AMD Biased Fanboy point!:rolleyes: Yeah, LOL I know wht you mean. Available/Fact doesn't mean limited to this frackin' thread hehehe!

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Just wanted to quote you, for flame bait.