They are shipping from CA :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
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They are shipping from CA :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
AwesomeQuote:
Originally Posted by TankGuys
Tankguys are great!!
When you guys all get the memory up and running, post some benches here as well. I'm curious to see how the average performance of these things pans out. From initial reports they should really make a name for themselves, but it will be good to see a large number of results.
Crucial told me they no longer had any replacements for ballistix 400's? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
Initial batches are usually good, then they start scrapping the bottom of the barrel.
That goes for most makes in my experience :)Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
And there was I thinking it was just me who was/is cynical/jaded :hehe:
we all are.. atleast those of us in the computer businessQuote:
Originally Posted by alpha0ne
Ben so since TEAM will be shipping the sticks directly to us; Will they ship the sticks via the method we specified/paid for in your store?Quote:
Originally Posted by TankGuys
Just asking cuz I paid for next day delivery and would be kinda sad if they shipped them to me via Priority Mail :(
Just ordered today and already got a preparing for shipping today email. 2 day ship was $16. looking forward to testing and comparing.
Shoot us an e-mail via our store, or post on our forum... I don't want hijack this thread or "do business" here, per the forum rules :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
I just got my cronus from Team. It came Priority Overnight (the way i ordered from tankguys) I'm not happy so far with the performance. I was hunting something to beat these mushkin redline pc4000 ce-6. I guess i got lucky with the infineons. I dont have any 3D issues like the others are having. Anyway...... back to the Cronus. My Initial test failed Memtest@ 270 3-4-4-8 2.8v. I'm gonna Use Ozzi's exact timings and retry.. Will post back soon
Don't use 2.8v, I think you will be better at 2.5-2.7. 2.6v only brings about 1-2MHz over 2.5v from my tests, and over that there is no gain
Update..Used Ozzi's Timings and played around some using OPB's Timings in TeamGroups Support area.. Still no go @270 120 errors on memtest test 5. Unless Burn-In will help a ton, it looks like i'll be sticking with my infineon. Testing 260 atm will report back.. Edit.. 260 passed test 5, lowering voltage per repoman and trying 265.
Edit.. 10 errors test 5 265 2.6v
Edit 265 ok @2.7v
270 = errors @ any voltage.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
This is in the neighborhood of what the OCZ FF's I tested did. Topped at 3-3-3 around 270, but I had it at 2.8v I think. 3-4-4 did no better. Can you test each stick individualy in memtest ansd see if you have a week link?
Ozzi, you have shown about 6 or 7 timing shots so far. Can you recommend your favorite/best one so far that is generally stable?
Yes i will test individually. So far no matter what 265 is tops. The Mushkin RedLine Infineon i have can hit 288 3-3-2-8 memtest and 3d stable. I got lucky with them, unlucky with teh Team.Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
That Mushkin is looking pretty good.
Yeah, I'm one of the few to get a set that is 3d stable at those speeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by flesheatinvirus
I hope my set does closer to 300ish, thats whole reason I bought em :P
Tnakguys does rock though, bens da man..
since when does a manufacturer post on its own section in an overclocking forum showing benchies of their products being overclocked, besides OCZ... Thats pimp..
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
Good luck on the 300ish. that is what i was hoping for as well. As Usual though, the initial test results are probably from a hand picked set. Not saying that is for sure the case, its just my suspicion. No way of knowing for sure though. I hope i am wrong and everyone else can achieve the desired 290-300 range. If so i will try my luck again with another set of these. For now, i'll just keep usin mah mushkin. Good luck to everyone else.
Are you sure yours are Micron? 3-4-4-8 default sounds like UCCC. Micron is always 3-3-3.Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
I purchased Micron. These auto @ 3-4-4-8. I tried 3-3-3-8. I wondered the same as I am pretty familiar with micron. I held 1st place on the database for a month or so with 295ish with Ballistix Tracers. This Cronus was purchased as micron..I am not taking the spreaders off to check though. This is what is on both sticks S/N 20050017759 TXDR1024M500HC3-M 1GB DDR500mhz cl=3-3-3-8 0610MQuote:
Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
Just finished testing each seperately. 265 and 271 :(
Sorry to hear that.. but Fourth rule of overclocking states nothing ever performs as well as you think it will, unless you get help from god.
I agree, this dam opt wont give me 2.8 to save my life :(
im gonna try a few more things on it then I guess ill grab something else, i went from an X2 that did 2.7+ to a opty doin same speeds?
Please let my ram be some good stuff :)
The gods hate me when it comes down to hardware I swear they do...
Once just once let me get something good... PRAY'S....
I might have to pick some of these up :)
I just hope that OzziMark's results weren't from a handpicked set :)
I've found the occasional live sacrifice helps :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
It certainly helped with my "HZ" running @ 260MHz ATM 2.64Vdimm 3, 4, 3, 7 :D
has anybody try to combine UCCC and these Micron together and run them at 4GB in 2T @3-4-4-8? :D :D
Anybody else with Numbers yet? I thought this thread would be jumpin with either YAY!!! or BOO!!! by now. I guess i'm one of the only ones to pay for OVN shipping. PLease post your results when u can. I need a reason to order another set.. :p
I have not bought mine yet. Still waiting to see more positive numbers
My set came yesterday. I'm pretty sure 10+ people were ahead of me in the BackOrder line at TankGuys. Maybe i'm wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by flesheatinvirus
Team changed my shipping method. When I ordered I picked USPS priority, which was more expensive than FEDEX 2 day. Team decided to ship mine 5 days. Not sure why weren't notified of that before hand. So I won't be getting mine until next Wednesday or Thursday.
It's just like we explained in the e-mail we sent you earlier-Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
Our shipping prices and transit times were based on shipping from Michigan. We had originally planned to have Team ship all of the memory to us, and we'd re-ship. If we'd done that, then the prices / times that we quoted would have been correct. HOWEVER, it would have taken an extra day to get everything out, since it would have gone to us first, then we'd have had to repack and reship.
Instead, we decided to have Team just drop ship it all for us. That way, people on the west coast got things much quicker, and people on the East coast got things the same day, or a day earlier, than if we'd had to ship them to us first, then re-route.
Furthermore, Team does not ship by USPS, which is why you were switched to FedEx.
In the end, you're getting your memory a day earlier than you "should" have if we'd elected to do things the normal way (shipping to us first, then re-shipping to customers) and in fact, it cost us more to do this for you, albeit only a small amount. We were trying to do you all a favor.
Explaination: If we hadn't drop shipped, it would have taken the memory 5 days to get from Team to us. Then, it would have taken at least 1 day for us to unpack it all, repack it, and get it shipped out. It would have then taken 2 days for the package to get to you, for a total of 8 days. Instead, we had Team ship it directly to you, for a total of 5 days, saving you 3. Granted, our site said it would take 2 days to get to you, but it was backordered at the time, so that did not include the time it would have taken for the memory to get to us in the first place. Hopefully this makes sense?
Mine should be here in a day or two. I have 2 sets coming, so hopefully I have some good ones!! :slap:
Mine by wednesday :)
Hoping for some decent clocks, then an opty to match em
Yeah but it takes two noobs to count as a true human sacrifice...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by alpha0ne
and that helped me get 300Mhz @ 2.6v and 3-4-3-8-T1
Mine will be here on next Wednesday as well....wish I'd received them this weekend but it's alright, no big deal. Hope they clock well on the Venus ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
I received my Team Cronus "Microns" a couple of days ago. BTW- I am a member on OCF, some of you already know me. I have not been able to clock at all with this memory. I do however feel that my Asus A8N32-Sli Mobo may be the culprit. My first issue:
Right off the bat I was able to boot into Windows @ 280Mhz 1T and 270Mhz 1T. Ran sandra bandwith and was around 7200/7200. However, this was completely unstable. Following the stability issues I rebooted the computer and ran memtest on the sticks @ 280, 270, 260, and 255 Mhz using test #5.
1T 3-3-3-8
280Mhz - over 3000 errors
270Mhz- over 2200 errors
260Mhz- over 2100 errors
255Mhz- 19 errors
250Mhz- Pass
I have used everything from stock timings to the great "Micron" guide that was posted on here byt onepagebook. I will be getting an Ultra-D mobo on either Tue or Wed. so that is when the real test will come. But so far, no good. I am also a little nervous because CPU-Z, Sisoft Sandra and Lavalys Everest all display my memory part numbers, timings, and SPD tables differently. I am currently waiting for a few other members to post a screenie of their CPU-Z.
I went ahead and opened up Sandra and the newest version of CPU-Z:
http://www.strippoli.com/tables.JPG
Note: My ram is rated on the sticker of the actual heatspreader @ DDR500, 3-3-3-8 1T PC4000 Team Group Xtreme Cronus
After reading reviews and screenies of other members with this RAM all displaying proper CPU-Z values I am really tempted to take off the heatspreaders and look at what I really have. Reading threads here on XS display all of the manufacturer information and a PC4000 rating in CPU-Z on the Microns, why doesnt mine?
Now, seeing that these sticks can barely clock 3 Mhz over 250 trying all the settings in the world maybe the motherboard isnt 100% at fault here. I dunno? The only way I am able to reach stability is in 2T. 1T max overclock with no memtest errors is 253Mhz. <-- These sticks are supposed to rated @ 250. In 2T I can clock up to 270Mhz and pass memtest #5. I am really hoping that the A8N32 is at fault for displaying wrong memory readings and holding my OC back.
At 250 Mhz 1T it passes memtest #5 and fails superpi 8m. The way it sits right now is 250 Mhz 2T, 3-3-3-8. I can only pass superpi and dual prime torture test in 2T. This ram is supposed to be rated @ 250Mhz 1T and we are paying close to $300 for Micron modules that are known to clock 280+.
This is all just speculation because we wont know whats going on until:
#1 I get my new DFI Ultra-D mobo.
#2 More members on this forum post screenies and results of the new Week 6 Year 2006 Production.
Also, if you know me on OC, I am not an individual to be biased at all. I tell it exactly how it is and I do not hold any political bonds or relationships with any manufacturers. I am always upgrading to the latest and greatest so this is just a minor setback until we figure out whats going on. If I have no results with the Cronus "Micron" sticks then its off to the Mushkin PC4000 or Team TCCD.
Anyway, I think this is a great forum with a wealth of information and I hope to enjoy my stay here.
PS- Let me give my props to Ben @ Tank Guys (www.tankguys.biz) for exemplary customer service and excellent processing time. <-- To my doorstep in less than a day.
Regards,
Dom
I'm not to familiar with that mobo, but what timings can you manually change in the bios?
You can change everything that can be found using A64Tweaker manually in the bios. The A8N32 bios really is quite advanced for an asus board. I just think the board in general is having difficulty running 2 gigs in 1T stable. My Ultra-D will be installed and running by tomorrow night so I will know more. As far as the CPU-Z SPD Tables and PC3200 rating, i am still unsure. I need someone else with the newer production modules 06/2006 to post up a screenie.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
Dom
I will post my cpu-z for u tomorrow. What does yours default to on auto @ 250?Quote:
Originally Posted by dominick32
Mine on auto are @ 3-4-4-8. Kinda strange for micron.
Dom, try 2T. i've talked to a lot of guys that have issues with 2x1gb at 1T in asus mobos :(
Enjoy, still 5b D, just a revised PCB, as denoted by the 1 on the end :D
sorry about hiding for a few days, i was out snowboarding :toast:
for the best settings, my favorite would be the ones show in the prime95 stable shot. use odd drive strength, 5 was best for my particular case. data drive is kinda dependant on your memory controller. active cooling is a definite must. also, as proven before, the quality of the motherboard is a huge factor. i went from my maximium stable being ~265mhz at 3-3-3, 1T to 295mhz with a new board... :stick:
Yeah, mine default to 2.5-4-4-8 in the bios. I really hope that the motherboard is at fault. Thanks for the response.Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
Dom
from my perspective,
1. you don't wanna rely on DOS memtest
2.this micronset you don't wanna give too much juice
3.currently those pair all pass at least DDR530 no single error by our RD
; well their PSU is only 300w under DFI ultra-D. I bet user can easily get onto DDR540 by a good testing enivornment especially a good 450w PSU along with a good memory controller.
:)
if these cronus use the same ICs as the Crucial Ballistix then the A8N32 shouldn't have any problem supporting them. Try 2.7v, use 1T, and the following settings and see if they work:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=40069
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=40069
Actually those were the D chips and these are the new F chipsQuote:
Originally Posted by ben805
Ozz,Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
Thanks for the response bro. I am assuming moving to the new revision Ultra-D will at least alleviate some of my 1T stability issues and perhaps get me up to my goal with the Vapochill of 300 X 10 - 3.0Ghz and DDR600.. :)
Either way I will definitely keep all of you over here on XS informed with my results on the Ultra D.
Dom
it's not a given, but let's hope so. good luck :toast:
Thanks for the reponse.1. I am banking on my motherboard being the culprit because it will clock up to 280 in 2T with no errors. After massive amounts of errors I gave up on memtest and started using dual prime and superpi 8m for windows xp testing. As I stated previously in 1T, even @ 250 Mhz it will fail SuperPi 8M.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
2. I have only given these sticks a voltage of 2.6 and 2.7.
3. As far as my PSU. I have a Silverstone Zeus ST56ZF, 38amp single 12volt rail monster.
Thanks again for your R&D with the Microns.
Dom
Yeah, Ben. Thanks for the info but I think these are different Microns.Quote:
Originally Posted by ben805
Dom
I'm beginning to get the same feeling about DOS Memtest. I've been trying for almost a week to get some HZ memory to run at 270 in a Venus board. I found settings that are completely stable in Memtest #5 and #8. But with a 1/1 ratio the memory errors out after a little over 2 hours time and again with dual Prime95. Finally found a setting that was both Memtest and Prime95 stable. After 7 hours of Prime I decided to tighten up the timings. I made one change, ran Memtest #8, and almost immediately starting getting multiple errors. Changed the setting back and the errors are still there. Input other configurations that I found that were Memtest stable and still got errors. Went back to the settings that were Memtest and Prime stable and still more errors. Running dual Prime for several hours now with these settings and so for there are no errors.
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Originally Posted by Onepagebook
Try the windows memtest http://hcidesign.com/memtest/Quote:
Originally Posted by Praz
nicely done
My sticks just arrived. I'll test them on my sig rig tonight.
Ozzi, the last two posts of screenshots our prime shot was at 2.76v and the last shot your posted as 297 was at 2.83v. Are you reccomending an advantage at 2.83v? I thought earlier everyone sated that above 2.7-2.75 didn't help?Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
Just try the different voltages.. not all sticks perform the same.. you have to feel the limits of your sticks can do.. not expect other people to tell you how to use your sticksQuote:
Originally Posted by xgman
the extra voltage helps with shorter benches for me, though to a point. 2.8v is that limit. my board reports a touch high.. haven't actually measured vdimm, but that 2.83v was 2.8v in the bios. 2.8 +.03 give ~2.86-2.87 in smartguardian.Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
when doing long term stability, it seems that the extra heat it produces makes the voltage benefit kinda worthless. i'd like to see what these sticks can do with a bit of cold CO2 ;)
Bad idea - the BP PCB is only spec'd down to -10C. That's why I sometimes have issues with my Expert's ram positioning w/ my autocascade....:(Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
lamesauce :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
i guess chilled water then :p:
how about just good old fashioned Big aZZ fan? :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
that's what i normally do, got a 120mm blowing down right over the sticks.. :D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
but the thermal conductivity of the plastic housing that the actual IC sits in is pretty terrible, so i was thinking of taking active measures against it. too bad this stuff doesn't come in wlcsp instead of tsop :D
Other than a fan over the ram, I wouldn't expect anything more than maybe a mhz or two difference from any better cooling. With a fan and 2.8v the ram doesn't get hot enough to make any difference at all from what I have seen and niether do the spreaders. You could take them off and see no real difference at all as long as you still have a fan over the ram. If this were not the case, you would have seen lost of other people soing more than fans already. It simply doesn't help. that said, maybe with BH5 at 3.6-4v it would certainly help, but not on sticks at 2.9 or lower.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
oczy, is the date on the sticker or only the ic's? What does 0610M on the sticker mean?
my experiences with micron make me strongly disagree.. temps play a huge role in how high of an oc i was able to get with my older ballistix. haven't really gotten these sticks chilly yet, but i plan on doing so soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
also, the date...
on the actual IC's, it says 0538
the sticker says 0551M (not sure what the M is for) (edit: also not 100% that it really is a date, but i think it is)
SPD says week 50 of 05
i guess it's all relative. i'd be most concerned with the IC date. ;)
I'm guessing the sticker 0551M is the date/week of the module manufacture and the ic date/week is 0538 or whatever week went into that particular batch.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
My results:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...cron280fsb.jpg
Yes I know 2.9v is danger territory with micron chips... but I couldn't get em stable at 2.8v. I'm gonna try 2.8 with 0.3 over and see.
Thats 4 hour BF2/WoW stable BTW. So these sticks, thankfully have no 3d bug.
what drive strengths?
also, i found that anything over 7-14 for trc-trfc just lowered stability. same with some of the other secondary timings, higher isn't always better... it's be weird if there is that much variation in what 5b F likes.
I'm using 8-2 strengths.
and they consistantly give the best results for you? :confused:
try switching them up and see if something happens.. ;)
Switching them to what?
It means just try different drive strengths because some ram perfer different drive strenghts compared to other ram..
If they are anything like Ballistix, try 7/3 7/2 7/1 5/3 5/2 5/1, weak settings
Man i just want mine here....
I hope I dont have the problems you guys dfo, but im sure i will...
This is the missing link in my upgrade, after this ill be all set to RULE THE WORLD, MUAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!..
LOL im an idiot sometimes, my luck mine wont even do over 250 like these pat's
hehe ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
you just have to remember to Sacrifice two noobs for the blessing and DDR-600 will be yours..:toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
wise plan. lower drive seems to be a bit better with higher voltage... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
Tibu,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
Can you please post up a CPU-Z SPD Tables pic. I am curious to see if your sticks come up as PC4000.
My update: I installed the Ultra-D mobo tonight and I am still having problems with the ram. :mad:
Dom
Did a quick series of tests (sorry no screenies), but it seems that my set tops out in the mid 270's at 3-3-3-1T with ozzy's suggested timings. Not quite as high as the old balistix hand picked set I have, but a tad higher than i was able to get ocz's micron F's. At this point though the DFI Expert is holding my htt down. I'd like to try these on a venus board.
No screenies because frustration is taking over my senses. But semi-stable @ 265mhz 3-3-3-8 1T, onepagebook settings, 2.6 volts and active cooling. It still errors out in memtest. I am dissapointed to say the least. Someone please post up a CPU-Z screenie...
Dude 265 is pretty good for 2.6vQuote:
Originally Posted by dominick32
Hmmmm... WTF? I hadn't noticed this:Quote:
Originally Posted by dominick32
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...onusspdpic.jpg
Every mem controller and memory sticks are different. You've got the hard work yourself. Try all the difference combinations of DS/DDS until you hit the jackpot. That's a good start.Quote:
Originally Posted by dominick32
You see!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
These new week 6 year 06 production sticks are all factory identified as PC3200. Thank you for verifying that information!! Finally somebody has the same sticks.. lol
Update #2 for tonight. I am halfway through SuperPi 8m @ 270 mhz 1T. The Ultra-D seems to be working hard for me tonight. :)
Dom
Holy crap my sticks say the exact same thing :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
I KNEW IT!!Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
I wasnt going crazy!!!!!!!!!! LOL :D
HahaQuote:
Originally Posted by dominick32
I am sort of worrying about these sticks now, I was hoping for a good 280-290, now I am praying the do at least 270 (like my old tracers did)
We shall see Wednesday..
Well, now I know that I have 3 brothers from the same week 6 production as me. How are we all averaging with these sticks as far as stability?
I am maxing out on 280 with 2.7v and I am going to see if it can do any better...
So what does that SPD thingie mean? Can the TEAm rep plz comment on this?
That is right.. It says PC4000 on the sticks why the hell isn't it saying that on the SPD?
UPDATE #3 for the night.
I have been playing around with the June 2005 bios of the Ultra-D and have been able to get a relatively stable config using Drive Strength/DDS @ 6/3
270 Mhz @ 1T 3-3-3-8, 2.7 volts, onepagebook settings
http://www.strippoli.com/270.JPG
Dont worry about the low 8m benchmark, I am using a 7X multiplier on a 12X 4800+ CPU
not really... both OPB and myself have found that odd (weak) drives are best for these micron chips ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dominick32
i also wouldn't worry a whole lot about the spd. they still have the same chips, no? :p:
Thats a good question. Do you think anyone is willing to take the heatspreaders off on the week 6 sticks? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
For my sticks, as soon as I changed DS/DDS to 6/3 I was able to get some stability in 270.
PS- What do you recommend for DS and DDS settings?
I am trying to get 280 now but get BSOD memory dump upon xp load.
Thanks for the help!
Dom
as was said earlier, level 5 worked best for drive in my rig... data drive seems to be memory controller dependant, but 1 has a slight edge over the other 3 options ;)
also, micron chips are very distinctive from the side, you'll be able to see the little "bites" without a problem.
Thanks Ozz. However, you do have the earlier production 2005 sticks correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
Dom
Bad thing is my opty only gives me 2.7 somewhat stable, max 2880 but she nowhere near stable prime, I can do 3d and all that which is all I want
Can also super pi at 2880 ... 29.50sec :) per core
that could be RD forget to type the field of "memory name and initial spped changed to ddr500.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
no harm at all.:p:
hey sorry about that bro,
that Name doesn't do anything though,
but hey I do serious apology about that,
if you wanna reprogram that, let me know
but basically it surely doesn't mater