Bah, semantics :p:
EDIT: okay....the example below is a little extreme :rolleyes:
There's a difference between a handful of days and a handful of quarters :stick:
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Bah, semantics :p:
EDIT: okay....the example below is a little extreme :rolleyes:
There's a difference between a handful of days and a handful of quarters :stick:
well if you going to do that..Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Well ATi canning X1900GTO completely
(in a year or two)
Liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
I dare you to say that again in two years...:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by sabrewolf732
Well, this would be about two years later, wouldn't it? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
unless he comes to his senses...:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by krille
Sorry might have missed it, but whats the difference between the 7900gt and gtx? Clock speeds?
And memoryQuote:
Originally Posted by situman
meh i today compaired prices for a 7800GT and GTX.
the GT costs 260 and the GTX is stil 399.
why such a large gap between the 2 of those? as it doest really resemble performence difrence.
or have they already slowed down production of the G70 cores?
What they are trying to do make as much money as possible.. and by having a strong Middle range card they can absorb a larger share of the market.. for the High end like usual they want an arm, a leg and your first born Child..Quote:
Originally Posted by Starscream
true but wouldnt it b more profitable to make the 7800GTX cheaper?Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
true they would make less profit per card but they would sell alot more cards and would give more bang per buck wich would make less people go and buy a just as expensive but quicker ati.
cause overhere the 7800GT is stil 50 bucks cheaper then the X1800XL and alot of people arent willing to spend them 50 bucks more.
if theyd lower the 7800GTX in price they would also sell more of them.
Thats what silly rumours from silly fanboys can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabrewolf732
So the clocks are up slighty from the 7800, and it's only got 24 pipes. So how is this going to be a better buy than a X1900XTX?
I'm still not sure where all these green dreams came from regarding 32pipes. If history in the GPU industry has shown us anything is to not expect more than a speed bump and minor tweaks in a refresh. The X1900 was an abnormal case where the refresh received significant tweaks. The base assumption for a refresh should always be speed bump and little tweaks and you should be surprised by a major overhaul in a refresh GPU. Given that history I'm not at all surprised that nvidia did anything but what they're doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks
Well if ATi has stepped the Game up a notch.. nVidia most assuredly would step up to meet it..
So if their Smart it is going to be more than just a Pathetic Speed Bump...
Considering there's something known as lead time in the industry, unless nvidia knew well in advance just what ATI was planning, it's a little out there to expect nvidia to match three months later. nvidia expected the typical speed boost and acted in that regard. ATI raised their game but nvidia certainly didn't slack, at least in regard to what we're discussing. A speed bump isn't "pathetic", maybe uninspiring or unimpressive in relation to the X1900 or expected (as I've noted above) but let's not go overboard. nvidia delivered, it's just that ATI has now raised the bar for what a product refresh should be.
What will be interesting to see is whether the next refreshes will follow the typical route or the X1900 route.
Or better yet something even better.. Massive constant Major upgrades Every 6 months or less..
Double the Performance every 6 months or less... :D
Can't argue with that. Would be nice although our cards would get dated even faster than they are now.
This is only true if you can actually supply an unlimited quantity of cards. In order to maximize profit you need supply to meet demand always. A greater demand won't do you any good (instead raise the price till demand meets supply), nor will a greater supply (then you need to lower price). It's all about yields and manufacturing capabilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starscream
7900GTX @ US$499 & 7900GT @ US$299?
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...223090220.htmlQuote:
Nvidia’s yet to be released GeForce 7900 GTX 512MB graphics board has planned retail price tag of $499, whereas the GeForce 7900 GT is projected to be available for $299. The manufacturer’s suggested retail price of the GeForce 7800 GTX 512 will be down to $399, according to sources with knowledge of the matter.
"The manufacturer’s suggested retail price of the GeForce 7800 GTX 512 will be down to $399,"
RIIIIITE
Thats not happening....thats for sure. We'll most likely see 79GTX prices at $599 in line with XTX prices.
Whats interesting is that X1800 prices are in a free fall cos of the X1900 series and the same will happen with the 7800 series ;)
Perkam
Maybe 78GT/GTX 256 but definitely not GTX 512 since they'll all be sold out anyway by the time 7900 is available (if not much sooner).Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
An exxageration by the media...both ati and nvidia have stockpiles of X18s and 78s respectively...Quote:
Originally Posted by krille
Nvidia has been producing the 7800 series longer, so we'll soon see a 7800GS type product showing up for sure, as its stockpiles for the G70 will be many times larger as ATI's stock piles of X1800 cards.
Perkam
Depends on performance. If its not as good, we won't see its face around the $599 price mark. Otherwise, depending on supply and demand, price will increase or decrease.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
And I am pretty sure we can expect prices of the x1900xt to drop down as well (XTX not so much if it maintains performance crown).
No, I don't think you get my point. The RAM quantity was limiting the availability of GTX 512. And they'd probably rather use that RAM on something else. They'll have surplus G70 yes, but not GTX 512 (may have cores that will reach those clocks, but they probably won't waste the limited quantity of good RAM IC's on old tech). See? (Still speculation of course.)Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
The difference between the GTX and the GTX 512 is just core speed and some extra ram.. big freaking deal.. its price is going to go down anyways...
check this:
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=90542
quad sli 7900gtx system will have 1.3billion transistors so 1.3bill/4 = 325million vs 7800gtx 304millions
so definetly there is something else :)
Well the 7800GTX had 302M so they didn't do a huge upgrade as we would hope..
rops take more transistors?? hopefully it can perform good, on vr-zone they said that the 7900gt will score like a 7800gtx in 3dmark06 about 4k
i believe 7800gtx 512 does 4k right??
Well the difference between the 6800ultra and the 7800gtx is
302M vs 220m
24 pipes vs 16
8 vertex vs 6
and a different architecture.. that might make guessing the difference easier..
my bet is another SLi interface on Die..
The 7800gtx also has 2 mini-alu's per pixel-shader pipe. :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
That's adds even more transistors.
that started with the 6800 UltraQuote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
So, let's say you are nVidia with a new 110 nm, 32 pipe chip. Your competitor does not release on time, and your new card will completely dominate as such that it will hurt current 6800 cards in the channel even when price reduced.
Yield is OK, but I cannot promise enough demand with 32 pipes. Now, kill two bad quads, and see what happens. That's more like it. Much better yields. Hmm, wierd performance. We need to bump the ROP/Shader clocks a tad over the crippled core to see some better performance. Looks some some nice chips testing out. Let's bin those for later. Now, what to do with the GT. It has the same pipes as the GTX. Reduce the clocks? Not enough of a difference. Hmm, let's kill a quad and a vertex and see. Not bad. Have to change the oscillation, however. That's better.
Die shrink time. Looks like ATI has some good gains over our speed binned variant. Yields are looking pretty good. Time to get a jump again. Let's release it as we intended with 32 pipes on the GTX and 24 on the GT. That should give us what we need. We wasted the 1.1 ns chips on the 512 with the near stock timings. Let's tighten them up some like ATI and spec the speed to match core delivery better. Ah, much better. So, 1600 MHz it is. What's this? Performance at 700 MHz plus is too much of a gain. No one will buy any of the remaining 7800 cards and it makes just that much slower than the upcoming G80. Let's do 650 on the core. A nice 100 MHz bump over the GTX 7800 512. There we go. That should do it for a few months.
Oh, and if anyone asks, you can let them know there are NO changes. It's just a die shrink, after all.
G71? Any source?Quote:
Originally Posted by Willis
<center>Willis and HeavyH20 >> Pure speculation or?</center>
It's Willis day dreaming!:)
Honestly I would love for him to be proved right...
The best out come works for all of us...
The rumour mill is forever crunching...
Let me point you to: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28609
They said 32pp and 16 ROPs for the G71. Now that its confirmed to no longer be 32pp, they have resorted to saying 24 ROPs..
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But on the other hand, they lower memory frequencies which means they must have tightened the timings. That alone will show a noticable gain in 3dmark05, but like it was said before, Nvidia will need at least 750MHz on the core to compete with the x1900xt. And that doesn't look like its happening.
you cant use info the inquirer brings as the truth/fact.
you can use it as a lead orso but never as truth.
theinq jumps to much around with their facts.
The only item I have seen that can be confirmed is the die shrink from 110 to 90 nm. Other than that, it's all conjecture and speculation. NVIDIA is not going to play all their cards out before the bets are down.
The INQ information is the official face of simple rumors. They have fallen prey to misinformation in the past and will most likely continue.
The INQ is human.. what do you expect?
As for what nVidia is upgrading is what we are here to talk about...
I'm doubtful on ROPS, it wouldn't give enough benefit, atleast as far as I can tell.
HDR + AA is a good chance.
Pipelines, maybe, but current sources claim otherwise.
They still could be expanding on the mini-alu's found in the current G70, perhaps adding a third or expanding them to full alu's.
Beyond that is anyone's guess.
Both NVIDIA and ATI have said that no more than 16 ROPs are needed. Period.
7900GTX Specs
http://www.pureoverclock.com/story440.html
Mem clock 2.0GHz ?!
Now how`s that possible with 1.1ns chips ? Or they`d move to GDDR4 0.7ns ?
http://www.pureoverclock.com/story440.htmlQuote:
[update] Memory specification originally posted (2.0GHz) looks to be incorrect, i fully blame the source, who emailed me today revoking that claim and insinuating it to be more closer to 1600 MHz, just like many other sites have stipulated, grrrr! It does make me wonder where this figure came from in the first place though....
Back to 1600 MHz then. 1024MB around april/may already? Some people still argue 512 MB isn't needed (for gaming)... :rolleyes:
Sounds like they can't make up their minds or that they are attempting to keep the competition confused about what they are planning on doing...
7900GTX is eight to ten per cent faster than 7800GTX 512MB
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29928
Geforce 7900GT has 7800GTX performance for $299
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29931
Disappointing :slapass: :slapass: :slapass: :mad: .Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreehill
Its main appeal is overclocking. And it should actually be available unlike the 7800GTX 512, making it a more relevant card. It's basically what I expected, since I heard it was only 24 pipes.Quote:
Originally Posted by physics_geek
I'm not an OCer, and I already have a SLI MB, now what should I do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybercat
Not in the hands of Kingpin ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreehill
8% faster than GTX 512MB = 19,224 * 1.08 = 20,736 ;)
This will break 20k :) Perhaps before ATI even. The Inq is right to claim that the 7900GT will be the real beast here...but the X1900XL is no little red riding hood ;)
Perkam
Unless you're completely dedicated to NVIDIA, you should wait for benchmarks to see if this is enough to give NVIDIA the edge over the X1900XTX. I don't think it really will be though, probably just bring them up to about even, in other words, catch up with ATI. Like I said, unlike the 7800GTX 512, this one should actually be available.Quote:
Originally Posted by physics_geek
Time for 700/800 bios release by ati :p
The problem here is I want a dual vidcard configuration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybercat
I'm not a Nvidia fanboy.
Well, here's the situation. If you have an nForce 4 SLI board now, you're stuck going with NVIDIA for dual GPU goodness. You'll have to change your motherboard with one with a Crossfire-capable chipset if you want dual cards from ATI. You'll also have to buy a X1900 master card, which costs as much as a XTX, but will limit you to XT clockspeeds for both cards (in which case a pair of 7900GTX's might perform a hair better, we don't know for sure). If that's not a problem for you, than you can go either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by physics_geek
And we thought heat was a probably before! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
If only it was that simple eh ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Too bad at those speeds its the CPU that needs to be overclocked to get a higher score.
And the gpu will be limitted by the video RAM, which might be better at the 7800GTX 512mb (1.1.ns).Quote:
Originally Posted by ahmad
i doubt ul see ATI release an official 700/800 bios.
to many X1900 cards seem to have a heat problem (not all but stil some).
maybe theyl by accident orso release an un-official 700/800 bios.
agreed:slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by physics_geek
they don't really need it imo. If the 7900 is infact only 8-10% faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
ATI probably would release some "super-driver" instead.
However, even that may not be needed...
The words ATi and "Super-Driver" don't belong is the same universe, yet alone in the same sentence without the word not or never..Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowmage
doubtful imo as it's old arc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Willis
ati's drivers are just as good as nv's... at least in windows :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
You are so lucky you side in windows..:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by sabrewolf732
in linux.. it isn't even funny.. a 6600GT will rape an X1800XT in linux gaming..
but that isn't hardware.. that is just their really really really :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty 3D linux drivers..
the words linux and gaming should not be used in the same sentenceQuote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
No the term first person Shooter and linux shouldn't be in the same sentence..Quote:
Originally Posted by `SippY
infact there are more linux games out than windows ;)
If the 7900GTX is crappy.... and ain't worth 2 x 7800 GTs, Imma which my VGA provider again...
I left ATi after their x1000series startup upset me...
So if Nvidia scrws up 7900series launch with a card only 'barely' better then
the x1900series, Imma go buy myself ATi cards for a while :P
ATi cards seems to me to be better choice for single cards (x1900 xtx :) )
i find that hard to believe, considering most gamers dont use linux, dosent make alot of sense to make games just for linux:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
it seems you can already preorder a 7900 or 7600 in a few shops in a few countrys
poland:
7900GTX
http://sklep.komputronik.pl/pelny.php?id=26548
7900GT
http://sklep.komputronik.pl/pelny.php?id=26549
7600GT
http://sklep.komputronik.pl/pelny.php?id=26550
(those are polish prices and according to the translation for theinq they are expensive wich could b price gouging or normal for poland)
in belgium:
the 7900GTX from POV for 492 euro
the 7900GT from POV for 293 euro.
wich makes that Gt very interesting
7600 GT for 197 euro.
link to that shop: http://commerce.sage.com/cloetens/
just type 7900 or 7600 in the search.
here:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29985
theinq says that with stock cooler on air the 7900GTX will clock to 700/710mhz wich is the speed some partners will wanna sell em at.
You do not need a X1800xt to play xBill :)Quote:
Originally Posted by `SippY
This sentence is a Linux compatible game.
But you'll need Two 7900GTX in SLi if you want to use the Wz21 reaper mod.. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
I tried to google that, but I didnt find anything relating to warzone2100. As that game was released in '99, I think it would just run fine on windows :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
<3 2003 server.
Linux games drivers..isnt that very OT ? =)
If this dude at INQ got it to max 710 before throttle how will they be able to release it at 700 ?
Yes the original version was made for windows.. but after it became open sourse.. it progressed rapidly..It lives in the spirt of the original.. cutting edge and beautiful...Quote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
I assume this would be very easy to compile and run on a windows box. The information I found said that it runs on a large number of different platforms.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
I bet there are too. 500 different versions of snake, 2,000 different versions of space invaders, and 5,000 different versions of tetris. :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
But yeah I saw that inq article finally, and things certainly don't look good. A 100MHz clock increase and only 8-10% faster than 512MB in the best of cases, that aint purty. But the results I am really interested in seeing is how it does in HDR+AA in comparison to the x1900xt seeing how all the next gen games will have HDR implemented in some way or another.
And if they are cold bugged... that would really shaft nvidia. If not, they might appeal to xtreem ocers.
Yes the basic version does.. but the Eye candy edition is linux/BSD only..:DQuote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
Can't wait to see what the 7900GTX can do..
I have about a 600$ budget for video, so I think that 2x 7900GTs would just be the best buy :(Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Afireinside is still trying to get me to sell my CABNE 146 and buy a dual core, so I could do that and afford a single x1900xt.
I do not really know which option would be more effective.
if the 7900GT is 450mhz core and the 7900GTX is 650 considering that they are similar (like 78GTX and 78GT) will the 7900GT clock like a beast?
Maybe, not good to know really considering it's all about yields and bins... but it certainly is plausible. Will probably require a vmod (such as 68GT vs 68U), there may also be differences in power and pcb layout... but still it isn't too far-fetched. Don't get your hopes up TOO high though, since it 68GTvs68U only was a 50 Mhz difference (at start) and then 75 Mhz ... we're talking 200 Mhz here and it may be that 79GTX cores are very cherry-picked (just as with 78GTX 512) and 79GT are the average cores...Quote:
Originally Posted by DeToNaToR.cl
Just got off the phone with eVGA and they'll be getting the 7900gtx 512 in stock on March 9th, so Im steppin up my two 7800gt's to 7900gtx's, should be pretty focking gangster. Can't wait.
Just a reminder...
CeBit is coming soon :woot:
This means that the 7900 serie's release is verry close and CeBit will probably be our first glance on these cards and other nice technoligies :)
I hope the Dell 2407fpw and 2007fpw shows up, since there are rumors that Dell is planning on releasing a full xxx7 series of LCDs. They already have a xxx7 series of their 3007fpw 30" LCD (which was shown in CES), and a new 19" LCD
As you can see on the pic below, CeBit begins March 7th, and ends March 15th :fact:
http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/783/cebit1fz.jpg
We know.. those of us with our Passes.. are extremely aware of the dates...Quote:
Originally Posted by Turok
the 9th is my b day but i doubt Nvidia is gona gimme a 7900 as a birthday present
Geforce 7900 GTX Duo cards emerge
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30025
question is if theyl b small numbers like the dual 7800GT Asus had with a huge price or if theyl b normal retail products?Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreehill
Small numbers..Quote:
Originally Posted by Starscream
because honestly SLi isn't that common.. So I doubt Quad SLi will be normal..
Offical 7900 series Prices at Tiger Direct
BFG 7900 gtx 512 mb 549.99
BFG 7900 gt 256 mb 349.99
PNY 7900 gtx 512mb 549.99
XFX 7900 gtx XXX 512mb 649.99
XFX 7900 gtx extreme 512mb 599.99
XFX 7900 gtx 512mb 549.99
XFX 7900 gt XXX 256mb 374.99
XFX 7900 gt extreme 256mb 349.99
XFX 7900 gt 256mb 349.99
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1026106
Well everytime I look at Tiger Direct for stuff they overprice their items, so I'll be waiting to see Newegg's pricing.
What is the difference between the 7900 gtx 512 and the 7900 gtx XXX 512?
Brand name suffix. XFX uses XXX, BFG uses OC, ASUS uses TOP etc. to emphasize their factory overclocked or otherwise more expensive cards. Just simple marketing ploy, nothing coming directly from nVidia. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Semper Fi
im happy with 550+ mhz with stock vcore :D
What would be the max with 1,4ns?
Picture of Leadtek PX7900GT :)
http://forums.hardwarezone.com/showt...g#post17657841
that is one small ass heat sink...
PCB is small like 6600 size.
WOW, the move to 90nm made that much of a diffrence on the heatsink size