My problem is the memory speed won´t go any higher.
As you can se I have to set the Vmem and Vvpu very high to get 700 on the mem.
But no problem with the vpu at all.
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My problem is the memory speed won´t go any higher.
As you can se I have to set the Vmem and Vvpu very high to get 700 on the mem.
But no problem with the vpu at all.
1/ on GPU 1.275V, dont know others voltages yetQuote:
Originally Posted by deathman20
2/ his computer specs i mentioned, Zalman 700cu (on low speed)
3/ will ask
4/ 5.11beta
Oh missed the Zalman on the last post.Quote:
Originally Posted by spajdr
Oh very intresting on results I had similar OC's running at that also, just ended up not working in the end though.
My first post :)
http://www.photoi.org/share/upload/1027532353/9048.jpg
core 1.3v mem 2.0v on zalman VF-700cu
the temp really screw up. i use my hand to feel the heatsink of zalman still touchable :)
Welcome!
If it's still touchable and the temps are that high with that cooler you probably have bad contact.
EDIT: just looked at your clocks and your scores. What's your CPU? If it's clocked high something's amiss. And while it'd be tough to run a run at those clocks with bad contact, I still feel you might have SLIGHTLY poorer contact than you should.
hmmmm... thanks! i try to resit the hsf and bench again thanks! :)
Maybe hes using the drivers from the cd. The new drivers fix the temperature reporting issue. It lowers temp readings 20c. Need to make sure your running cat 5.10a.
And Welcome to XS! :welcome:
yes yes i'm using the drivers from the cd. So the drivers from the cd is not updated? Btw sorry i nv state my card was from sapphire. But looking at the card carefully, i found out its a reference card. Sapphire only paste their alien sticker onto the hsf lol.
Thanks for the help guys! Downloading cat 5.10a now :D
Guys, i've got a question about adjusting mem voltages.
Do guys adjust both of the mem volt sliders? ie mem core volt and mem I/O volts? :confused:
And have u seen a improvement in adjusting the I/Ov?
BTW Welcome tckrto :toast:
Nice results tckrto. Definatly try a whole bunch of benches, and also did you try doing a cold boot to those speeds? There was a few of us that had problems running high v and higher core unless the card was warmed up (meaning running a few benches previously to OCing to the speed you got). Impressive though I'm still playing with mine currently :)
I've gotten mixed results using both. Sometimes its good and others its not. My results seem to diminish with higher clocks of adding voltage to both of them. Vcore seems to stabilize the voltage with the memory more so then Vmem, but then again bumping up the voltage slightly on both seem to stabilize the clock you can achieve sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
I've had no increase to .05v increase to .15v increase in tests. Sometimes it makes it stable sometimes it doesn't so its a settings I've been playing with when I try reaching a clock.
OC'ing these cards is like an art, but very rewarding once u get the sweet spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by deathman20
Thats so true. Sometimes its needed sometimes its not, very strange though. I even got a case at one voltage setting that increasing it caused artifacts, yet leaving at default passed tests. But now where I'm sitting I'm at a higher OC, and more volts on both Vmem, I/O and Vcore.Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
What are ur volts sitting at? And is it gameplay stable?Quote:
Originally Posted by deathman20
I updated my sig with it just this morning :)
1.275/1.95/1.95 for 625/750 stable as I call it.
4 3DMark 05 Runs
3 3DMark 03 Runs
80min shutdown period and then restarted to test and make sure 05 and 03 passed, which it did succefully. Then ran FEAR at 1920x1200 for 2 hours just doing some benches and let it sit on the menu since it taxed the GPU and I could go and sit on the couch for a few hours :)
Estimated temps for benchmarking 44C load, estimated game menu testing after 2 hours 48C load. I reseated my heatsink and that proved to be very helpful dropping temps 5C+.
Edit: thats a 5C+ drop at current settings/speed. Im sure its more so if I go back to the 585/750 clock that i know worked with 1.15/2.0/2.0 and where I remembed it was running near 54C in benchmarks and 56-58C ingames according to the heatsink thermal sensor and estimated temps I got.
Thanx for the input. Now i think im going to get myself the Zalman VF700.Quote:
Originally Posted by deathman20
Is the Zalman Fatality much better? Cause its about $7 more? And how much better is it compared to the stock cooler?
fatality is the same thing with a faster/louder fan.
Suppositly it has some special paint on it to disapate heat better. IMO I don't buy that. It does have a faster stock fan which I can't hear over the rest of the system, its red, and has a red light on the fan (don't know if the other one does or not). I just got this one because someone else did and I really liked the look of it, and at the time I already spend a decent amount of money so what was a few bucks difference anyways?Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
BTW I do have a 120mm fan blowing up at the card also from the bottom of my case. I'll have to take a picture of this when I get home. Thats a possibility why I'm getting lower temps.
errr i don't have water cool or phase change :(Quote:
Originally Posted by deathman20
yes thanks for enlighting mi regarding cat 5.10a after installing the driver my temp drop to 47 idle :)
No what i ment for cold boot was shutting the computer off for a couple hours then resetting the voltages/clocks and benching right away after the shutdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by tckrto
Thanx guys, but is it better than the stock cooler?
My whole case is lit up with blue leds, so i was wondering how the red led of the Zalman Fatality will look? :confused: Will it clash or will have a nice contrast? :shrug:
I received one of my x1800xl's today. Its a saphire oem from zzf. is this thing suppose to have Ruby on the heatsink/fan? Because mine does. It looks identical to a built by ATI card. It doesn't say Saphire anywhere on the card. I wonder if they messed up and sent me a built by ati instead.
so, did anyone overclock the sapphire cards decently yet? I want to get one but I want to achieve at least 600/700.
Seems to me that those OC better than the ones with the Alien on. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
600/700 is easily achievable ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KoukiFC3S
sorry misinterpret your question. i haven't try it yet, as now i'm still on the testing stage. Basically my pc is on 24/7. After ocing x1800xl i just leave it as it is, until something happens then i will troubleshoot. So far so good for me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by deathman20
My sapphire OEM came from newegg and it had the ruby heatsink/fan. Thats til it came off within a few min of me opening the bag and finding a screwdriver.Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
The memory will not have an issue of getting to 700, you probley can get it higher then that even without even touching the voltages or giving a slight .05V increase. The core ya it can reach that speed. You just got to play with the voltages a little and don't be afraid of upping the juice on the core just watch the tempatures. Its definatly possible even some are hitting 700/800 on stock cooler. I think he just got very very veeeeeeeery lucky ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KoukiFC3S
NP :) Ahh ya leaving it on I guess would eliminate that cold start issue with the cards. I know after a while of leaving it running I can seem to test higher clocks with the same voltage that wouldn't work if I had the same setup when I did when powering my system up after work.Quote:
Originally Posted by tckrto
Okay, get this....I ordered 2 saphire cards. 1 from zzf, 1 from newegg.
zzf one arrives fine. the newegg one i thought came but in the box was 1 stick of Vdata pc133 ram!!!
This was suppose to be the box containing the x1800xl. Apparently Newegg crossed my order with someone else's now I have to wait another week to get this all cleaned up. They gave me an RMA for the ram and added a note that they are suppose to replace with the card. Sorry for OT but had to vent.
As far as people saying the saphire cards and the built by Ati cards clocking differently Neither card clocks better or worse. It's the luck of the draw. They are identical internally. That is like saying my RETAIL 3000+ venice overclocks better than OPB's OEM 3000+ just because it's retail. IT'S THE SAME THING!
well please let us know how your first card does when you get into it trans am.
So what u guys say about this?Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
I got 4 blue LED fans in my case then with this one fan its a red. Truely the light was so little it didn't seem to make much difference. I always thought the blue red combos looked great togeather.Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
Does it make it purple?Quote:
Originally Posted by deathman20
Not at all but I can take a picture of it when I get home, I should be dark enough at least to get all the colors to show up brightly in the picture. The red led in the fan doesn't seem to make much light.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nunyabiz
lol. Thanx bud.Quote:
Originally Posted by deathman20
See, im not just a geek, i also love aestheticly pleasing things.
A pic would be nice :D
Nice :slobber:
What did u do with ur XL?
sold itQuote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
Any chance you could backup the BIOS of your Radeon X1800 XT so to see the difference between the XL and to code the support for RaBiT (ATI Radeon BIOS Tuner). Please send it of possible. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
mavke@mvktech.net
Yes please do that dnottis, I really want an XT BIOS to try on my XL. You can use ATI Tool. It has a one click button under | settings | Micellaneous to save in Windows. Very easy.
+1 !!! please save your bios !Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
Ditto on bios save also :) I'm very curious what the differences if any are.
id be intrested when the 256meg version becomes avalaible
Ok boys, got my Retail boxed BBATI X1800XL today. Installed it as is stock to be sure it works as it should before I start mucking around with aftermarket cooling, overclocking etc. Card was very long and barely made it into my case the way it is setup but thank God it still made it in.
Yes my DFI boot logo is majorly screwed up as mentioned before. I am extremely glad this was brought up before cause if it wasn't I really would have been worrying that something was wrong with my card as the colours are truly distorted.
Another thing I noticed about this card is the way it handles resolution changes. On any old card I had, during post my secondary CRT monitor would constantly click while changing screens to adjust to the resolution. I am sure you guys know what I am talking about. Anyhow this card doesn't cause my screen to make this noise while changing resolutions during post. Strange but not complaining. I noticed the text on the post screen wasn't quite the same looking as it was on any other ATI card I had the past 2 years. The font seemed different and it didn't seem very sharp, kinda like running my old MX2 Geforce PCI based card. In Windows all is great looking however.
Now for the strange and perhaps worrying part. I properly unloaded my Omega based 5.10a drivers through add/remove programs, then removed all ATI entries through regedit, then erased the Omega Radeon Drivers folder from Program files and reboot into safe mode where I used Driver Cleaner Professional 1.2 build 27 to remove all ATI Entries. At this point I shut down the system, remove old card and installed new card as mentioned above. Powered system back up, thankful she posted and was back in windows where I reinstalled fresh the same Omega based 5.10a drivers I removed before. All was fine and dandy. I did a run of 01, followed by a run of 05, followed by a run of AQ3 and so far so good. After AQ3 I did a run of 03 and my system reboot itself! MY SYSTEM NEVER REBOOTS ITSELF. My overclock on the ram and cpu has been tested extremely thoroughly and nothing has changed in months on my setup except for this card. The system reboot itself right after the first plane game test finished and the second test was about to load. As soon as my system got back into windows I ran 03 again right away and it completed successfully with a score higher than that of my old X800XL. Right after that I played COD2 for about 15 mins then a few mins of Quake 4 to check quickly for visual anomolies and there was none. Of course nothing was wrong with the benches either besides that random reboot as soon as game test 1 finished in 03. After the run of 03 that successfully completed I had 01 looping continuously in the background with no splash screens for over 30 mins without issue before I stopped it myself.
I am wondering now, why did my system spontaneously reboot like that out of no where like it never has before and why have I not been able to duplicate the result? (not that I necessarily want to). Anyone have there system reboot while benching on their new X1800XL and if so where during what and with what drivers.
This worries me when I spend $600 (canadian) on a new card and my system does things it never did before. I hope nothing is wrong with the card. Again it is not overclocked at all and is running stock. The fan sped up to full speed a few times during the benches and I also have a 120mm panalfo fan on the side of my case blowing over the card.
I have a brand new Zalman FS-V7 here with some ceramique that I also ordered with the card but am going to wait until tomorrow before I mount it. I want to be sure this card is running as should stock first. If all goes well (no more reboots) then I will change the stock paste/cooling to the zalman and ceramique. I will then try the card again for the day to be sure it is still running as should as well as let the ceramique cure a bit before I overclock it. That endevour will start Friday if everything goes as planned.
So far I'm impressed by the performance but not greatly. I need a good stable overclock from this card before I really start to smile as running stock only got my bench scores slightly higher than my 9 month old X800XL which ran pretty good in its own right.
If anyone has any comments or suggestions about the reboot please do share so I don't worry here. I will keep you all posted tomorrow on how the new cooling mounting goes as well any overclock I get from it.
As well, I ran the single texture test of 05 and did not have popping pixels like mentioned above, nor was anything visible in the water of the last game test. We will see if it stays this way after mounting the new cooler as this is when they started happening for the user above. This card at stock does run quite warm as even with a fan blowing on it plus stock fan at full the side of the heatsink is quite warm. I removed the bracket from the PCI slot directly under the card to aid in some fresh air from the back being brought in.
Thanks for reading this very long post.
Dnottis, you are encouraged to make your own thread for the XT ;)
Perkam
huh? I did post about the XL?!
Ah...my bad, fast reading :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
Perkam
So cantankerous is it tomorrow yet? :)
cantankerous, thanks for the read. I did a clean install of windows followed by sp2 and nforce drivers and omega 5.10A and I got the OC tool from driver heaven. I didn't install the Control center when I unzipped the Omega drivers. was I? I was able to run 03 and 05 but AM3 would lock and get a black screen when the screen changes to show your score at the end. WTF? Any ideas? I ran AM3 3 times in a row and the same thing occurred each time.
Hi Trans am, I had this same issue on my X800XL with Aquamark 3. There is a patched DLL that allows the program to successfully complete on newer video cards since the program is out of date since the newer cards came out and is no longer being worked on. You can find the new DLL here.
http://www.aquamark3.com/direcpll-153.zip
simply unzip this into the root directory overwriting the other and you should be fine to complete the run from now on. Let us know how you make out.
As for my issue I have looped 01, 03 and 05 for at least 30 mins each and no more reboots. No clue what happened that one time but I wish it didn't as that is all that is on my mind now. I have a quality psu at 600w running nothing more than is in sig. Should be more than enough for this setup as some people are running SLI with dual GTX on 520w psus.
Tomorrow morning when I get in from work I will be mounting my new cooling to start getting down and dirty with this card that I hope does well.
Wondering, what are you guys getting as default stock voltage on your core when loading up the ATI overclocking utility? Mine is 1.10. I thought it was suppose to be lower than that but I could be wrong. You guys are the same right? And 1.95 for ram and I/O? Im sure people said it was 1.05/1.90/1.90. I may have a :banana::banana::banana::banana: card that needed more volts so they bumped this card up a bit to make it stable. IF that is the case would they really make cards tailored individually from others?
Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
THanks. WIll a Zalman VF700-CU work on here? I have one leftover from my old x800xt?
Do you have a link to the Omega drivers?
Also does anyone have the link to the x1800xl to xt bios flash utility. I know there is a post with it, but I can't find it even with a search.
:D
Trans am, several people are using the Zalman VGA coolers just fine on the new boards
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download...=1230#downloadQuote:
Originally Posted by runmc
thanks man. now if I can only remember where i put the mounting hardware i'll be in business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicpineapple
wow that was fast - thank you :)
This Link might work better ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
Stock volts at least what it says when you boot is 1.065/1.9. From the OC utility its 1.1/1.9/1.9Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
I can get up to 560/675 if not mistaken stock volts, then just a .025 bump and i can get 575/700 another .025 585/750 :) wish it was like that for memory all the time :)
Drop the OMEGA drivers and use the hotfix 5.10a from ATIs site.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
What is the difference? I can't find it on the ATI site. DO you have a link?
Hey Ron do you have an XL? Only thing I read was that someone used the regular ATI flash to make an XL backup, but I think they said it was missing something.Quote:
Originally Posted by runmc
I know Fugger was BIOS swapping on some XL's but I'm not sure what he used, maybe an internal ATI app. If I could get my hands on an XT BIOS, I'm ready to sacrifice this XL of mine in testing. It cannot run any voltage over 1.225
I hate modded drivers..Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
use these -
http://support.ati.com/ics/support/d...estionID=20856
Cantankerous - what is you Power Supply??
power supply is in sig. OCZ Powerstream 600W.
The omegas are 5.10a as well so not too sure how they differ from the ATI 5.10a. I just want a new, proper driver set just like the next guy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
Sorry I was looking and I missed that -
Modded drivers just suck stick with the ones from ATI, are you still having issues though?
Hey guys, is 654.75 1.225 core / 756mhz 2.2v mem any good?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=39698&stc=1
The core at that voltage YES! The mem who knows. I'm really starting to wonder if the mem voltage will also help with overall core voltage also since with mine I know I can bump up the core voltage and it scales the mem top clocks very very well.
Whats your I/O voltage?
i/o voltage is the same as my mem. I am not sure if there is any gain or loss there. if I increase the core volts it locks in 3d. i am still experimenting with decreasing the mem voltage. I can keep the i/o at 1.9v and there seems to be no difference. I had the mem at 770 at one point, but it locked on the last test but not a single artifact. no tearing and no snow whatsoever. I have the window open and a zalman 700-CU hs/fan on the card.Quote:
Originally Posted by deathman20
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=39699&stc=1
Nice OC Trans am :toast:
I think we need to make a XL overclock sticky with all peeps results.
So we can see what works and what doesn't.
One thing did notice was the that the sweet spot on core volts seems to be 1.225/1.25 area. Mem is a bit more tricky.
BTW I got my FS VF700 :D Looks sweet
cant dump bios with ATI Tool beta .8
anyone got a link to beta 9?
Theres no link yet. U'll need to request it from Wizzard, but he's currently in Hong Kong. He shoud be back on monday.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
BTW His got OCing working on the core already. :woot:
I had the same problem :\ Card went RMA. Got artifacts @ stock voltages and Stock speeds in Quake 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
If i get my new card i will not use higher voltages until its supported in CCC or an good version of ATi Tool. And i'm thinking of buying a X1800 XT 512 MB Card. I think the XL cores are just not as good as the XT ones. They don't like high voltages somehow :\.
maybe this is why ATi claimed that the XL's wouldnt hit high clocks like the XT's would.
Edit - although it seems the XT's have this same problem, only at high voltage. Personnally I think this core is really buggy still or it's a PCB issue. I'm hoping for the latter. Maybe the onboard voltage selection just isn't stable, and the card will require a hard Vcore mod to be able to take volts well.
Anyone find a real vmod for the vcore yet?
Mines starting to like higher voltage. Few tests here and there and its taking higher voltages stable. Like for example my current clock 625/750 @ 1.275/1.95/1.95. 2-3 days before I had this stable I could not reach this clock even with the higher voltages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
But now I can at lower voltages and everyone else even seems to do it with lower voltages so im getting to wonder if I should be upping my memory voltage more so I can clock my core higher at lower voltages. Since I know the memory speed can really depend on the vcore quiet a bit. Now if the vmem makes it more stable I know I can run some tests with higher clocks and no artifiacts. So I guess it will be more trial and error testing.
Hmmm...voltage issues + coldbug...I hope there's a driver in the works....6.0 Cats maybe ?
Perkam
The voltages are sable u used a multy voltage reader ( don't know the exact word ) And is was stable. But somehow the core would lock up.
I don't trust the current drivers and that OC tool anymore. I\m gonna wait for new versions before i will clock higher.
Macci also said that there was some kind of problem that would need a hard mod to get higher voltages. I hope it will be here soon.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
Where are the test points on the card to test voltage??? I'd like to test mine out if possible.
As for higher voltages, who knows, but if the board has the same components expecially the power circuity as the XT why wouldn't you beable to up the voltage more? And from pictures at least there identical from what I've been able to tell, unless the XT has higher rated components over there.
Can someone give us a clean picture of the XT power area?
Its the same as with the X850 XT cards. Its @ the back side where the red heatink is. There are the resistors. Can u make a pic ? i don't have my card anymore. so i can't make a picte to poit them out for u guy'sQuote:
Originally Posted by deathman20
ok i made a pictue but i'm on my work so i don't have FTP access. So mail me @ astennu92@hotmail.com and i e-mail you the picture.
I can't check it its right i don't have X1800 any more. i will have a new one tomorrow ( If i'm lucky ).
Ok guys, got in from work this morning and mounted my Zalman FS-V7 with ceramique. All seemed to go well as I have no artifacts after a run of 01, 03 and 05 as well as looping of 01 continuously for 30+ mins. The only thing im worried about is my mounting of the heatsink on the card. I don't know why as it's super easy, but the heatsink kept slightly shifting across the core as as I was trying to mount it. I hope this didn't muck up my thermal paste job.
Anyhow, I haven't been to bed yet so am going to do so now. While I'm sleeping I'm going to loop 3dmark03 continuously until I get up. Hopefully it will last as I am still on stock volts and speed but with much better cooling. This will also give time for the ceramique to settle and cure. If all is good I will start the painstaking joy of finding my max overclock on this card either later today or tomorrow. Once I have this done I am going to do a fresh format and start again so I can finally enjoy my system. I want to beat Quake 4 as I'm right at the end.
BTW, is it just me or is anyone else finding the Zalman coolers fins very cool to the touch, even after extensive use? You are probably thinking it's not making proper contact with the core, but if this is so then why no artifacts, lockups or crashes after an hour or so of pure benchmark running? While it was going I put my hand against the side fins of the heatsink and didn't feel it warm at all. Perhaps it is because I am still on stock volts and speed, but the thing is very cool to the touch. Anyone else find this or is their Zalman actually getting warm to hot?
the outer fins is much cooler (bigger fins) compare to the inner fins (smaller fins)
try to touch the inner fins u can feel most of the heat is trap at the inner fins :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
cantankerous,
the slight shifting on the core and HS is normal. mine does that. the temps are really good. mine never went over 55c my outer fins are cool as well. note I am in NY and it's fall and the cold wind was blowing directly on the card.
thanks for reponse guys. I am sure my thermal job is ok but I would have liked the core it stay in one place while I screwed it to the nipples. Perhaps I was just nervous and hasty as I kept missing the holes on the bracket and would manually shift the heatsink over the core to fit over the holes again. I am sure I wiped/moved some of the thermal paste around.
Yea out here in Toronto it is same deal, cold and windy.
Oh yea, 3dmark 03 ran for 2h 45m straight at 1280 x 1024, 32 bit, 6 x aa, 16 af and was still running artifact free when I got up. This ceramique should cure pretty quick the way I am running it and will start with the overclock later.
BTW, what do you guys get stock on your X1800XL? With my setup in sig I get about 7250.
One last thing while I am on a role here sorry, did you guys have a bunch of parts left over from your zalman install such as 4-5 screws plus 2 rubber washers? I did and going over the instructions multiple times gave no place to use these.
LASTLY I PROMISE! I noticed the Zalman could be mounted two ways with the four mounting holes given to you. With the card front facing you, PCIE connector down you can mount it upper left to bottom right, or upper right to bottom left. Does it matter which way it goes and how did you guys mount yours?
Thanks a bunch guys.
Stock values seem right I got 7.3k if not mistaken.
I mounted mine where there big fins point over tward the power regulator area. Figured it was best for cooling since it might help cool the ram chips a little.
For mounting, I used 4 washers, 4 screws, 4 offsets, 1 heatsink+fan :), 1 mounting back plate. Think there was some screws left over and a washer. It fit good so really didn't pay much attention.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
it should be obvious the XL will not OC as good as the XT. you should get yourself a 512MB XT, or else you might have a stroke cause the XL seems to frustrate you more than most people.
I mounted my 700-CU the same way as deathman20 using the screws diagonally like the original ati cards used to mount. this aims the fins right at the ram and cools everything perfectly.
Sweet. Upon checking my card I mounted mine the same way. Good job. Glad I don't have to take it apart to remount it as I never even thought of the fins pointing towards the ram for cooling.Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
u have the XL right? what are your idle temps around 625 core?Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Yeah i'm planning that. But there are no Xt's in the nederlands yet. So i need to wait a little longer :D But i hav'en got my XL back from RMA. But now i can sell it as brand new :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gunit
Just want to give u guys a update on mobo boot screen logo issue.
I flashed my bios last night at it fixed the logo corruption issue.
Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
fins release heat, they dont take it away...
In theory, it would be best to have the fins as far away from hot components as possible, and the most free flowing air going towards your ram, the fan will blow air equally in all directions, and the clearest path to your ram would lead the best cooling.
In practice, i doubt this matters at all though.
Link to official 5.11 Cats :woot:
http://www.tweaktown.com/file-librar...ad.php?file=12
This thread has been a good read... seriously concidering a x1800 of some sort.
One observation after reading thru, there seems to be a reoccuring theme..
People are flinging voltage around on STOCK cooling like it was going out of style! Even the Zalman gadget is junk compared to any sort of watercooling...
Here we have a 1st in the industry really.. in the fact that there is an easy to use software volt changer available. It is the cursed union of air cooling and extra volts... I'm sure ATI loves people running there cores at 95+C simply because they made voltage a software option...RMA city.
Now granted voltage changing is outside of the box for the average user, but the implactions of being able to increase voltage so easily should not be taken lightly.
People are abusing it here. Now I know people are using XT values for reference, but obviously the XT has a more robust cooling solution and for all we know could have cores binned at higher Tmax, whatever.
Point I am trying to make is that extra volts on Vid cards works a bit differently than on your neighborhood A64. Its easy to slap around .1v here and there on cpus and get away with it w/ stock HSF.
I guess it just worries me that people are throwing big volts around on video boards simply becasue there is a tool available to do so. GDDR is fragile stuff and thankfully no one here has keeled one yet due to confirmed overvolt, but be careful guys! Cool these down with water or phase before hitting with juice.
/rant off
Uhmm i got 704-BT2A bios. May be i should go for a DFI Expert board :D Ony it has no 32x pci e lanes. Thats a bigg miss.Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
I enjoyed your rant Lex and concur with most of it. Glad I didn't have to write it. ;)
The only thing I would add is that cores may not have been binned for speed, but more possibley just using the top stable amount of voltage for common users (whos' cases may run warmer) to safely use on good air. They may have become XT's, with stock cooling to fit with that.
As no XL's seem to be doing less than 625 on comparible cooling to XT's and voltage, I highly doubt they're binned other than the first batch of XL's probably came from the first spin (but were fixed with the metal layer).
That being said, I wish we could see some more results from XL/XT's on water. I'm curious how hard those can be pushed (volts/clocks)...I wonder if (on average) it's considerabley better (compared to gfx cards of the past) than air.
The new cores that are shipped now are A15. Most XL's have A14. Later on XL's will also get the A15 cores. Maybe then XL's will be able to run higher voltages. Like XT cards do. But they clock verry nice i must say.
Anyone here running the new 5.11? I am and have no issues. Just a couple questions however. Have any of you run the automated clock checker in the overdrive tab? If so what did the utility say your best clocks were? I just ran it and it told me it successfully passed at 574/449 which is max for overdrive. I am not sure if I should take this as a grain of salt or if it is accurate. During the test the core never got above 52c. After it was done I did a run of 01, AQ3 and 05 all in a row and all successfully completed without error. I am hopping in the shower now and am going to loop 01 nature without title screens as this gets the core the hottest over time than any other test in the 3dmarks. At max after running all the benches my core never got above 54c which is quite good considering stock would have been about 20c more than this. I take it I mounted my Zalman properly then. It has only been 24 hours since I installed it so I don't think the ceramique has 100% cured yet but know knows. Maybe another day or so and it may drop another 1c. hehe. Anyhow ill let you know what I come up with. the 574/549 was at stock volts as well. I will try adding voltage later to see what I come up with but so far the temps are very good for this clock speed. My X800XL at 421/553 netted me the same temps so I'm happy.
Running the 5.11's also no issues. Finally got good temp readings now. Getting roughly 62C or so loaded core with my OC. Not bad I'd say. Considering the voltage is near XT volts, and yet its 10-15C cooler then my old X800Pro Vivo 16pipe @ 510/560 so im happy about that :) (That card is now running over 570 core with its new owner)Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
Truely can't wait to ATITool hits. Finding max core and mem would be really nice feature I'm looking forward to, expecially once I raise the voltage, otherwise I think I'm going to stay at this speed and enjoy having a XT for a few hundred less :)
Couldn't agree with you more my friend. If you are bored deathman, do me a favour? Run the automated clock checker in the new 5.11 and let me know what it tells you your max core/mem is in the overdrive tab. Just curious to see if it told me max avail and alloted is true or it isn't very accurate.
Another question, why in my registered 3DMark05 can I NOT select loop all selected tests? It is grayed out and I can only select the option loop selected tests X amount of times. This isn't what I want to do.
I'm going out to run some errans for the day but am going to leave 03 looping continuously at 560/550 on stock volts to see how it holds up and what temp it is at after the couple hours of doing so. When I get back I will finally start upping volts to see how I make out.
I love Intel's stock heatsinks ( not CPU :D ) With 13db 80mm fan in idle about 5-6 degrees better then Zalman VF700Cu.Hope that in burn will be even better (Is mainly Al - better heat disperze than Cu on VF700 ) I check it tommorow ... no time today ( Beertime :toast: ). Sorry photo from cell phone ... ;)
Oh that is a sweet heatsink! Will that fit on the X1800? The fact that its quieter and cooler than the zalman really got me going here.
Got my Saphire X1800XL oem from newegg and I thought I would post the results. This round of cards I have no idea what makes a good card or not from an overclocking standpoint. I only ran through 3dmark05 a couple of times. The card is finicky to say the least in overclocking. I am using the overclock tool. I had a 7800GT prior to this card. Here are some scores - stock cooling, X2 4400+ (@2.4), 1gb OCZ ram. Temps at idle are 60c and load 80's.
3dMark05 Scores
7800GT
Base: 7349
475/1.1: 7687
485/1.2: 8054 (max I could get with stock cooler)
X1800XL
Base: 7228
600/600 1.2/1.9: 8094 (very easy overclock - and beats 7800)
650/700 1.3/1.9: 8687
625/750 1.275/1.95: 8625
650/800 1.3/2.2: 8962
I tried using the ccc overclock and the sytem hangs when doing overdrive. Looks like mine needs some voltage to perform. Not real sure if these are good numbers or not. I did play F.E.A.R and Tiger Woods 2006 with the 625/750 setting for a couple hours. My F.E.A.R scores stink though...
Trying to get the core above 650 seemed to be a challenge. Although I can get it to 675 if I bump the voltage -but it is flacky.
What gets me is people are getting way higher scores then these with less clocks. Only thing I have running is Norton Internet Security. Is that killing the score? Does this card look good from an overclock standpoint?
Very nice clocks there Quigs. I would of guessed you should of hit 9k with 650/800, your so close. I got basically that score at 641.5/801 so background apps might be killing it or your ram timings/speed of the ram possibily.
Very nicely done! I am yet to use the overclocking tool for voltage changes but for me, on 5.11, the overdrive automatic checker didn't crash at all for me so I am sure with some voltage I should do quite well as well. I had 3dmark03 looping for over 3.5 hours straight with the card at 560/575 which was stritctly done through the overdrive tab of CCC. I had 03 running with 1280 x 1024, 32 bit, all settings maxxed to put extra strain on the card. I stopped it only because I was bored of seeing it run and at the time my temp was never over 53c with the zalman cooler and it was artifact free. Tomorrow I am starting voltage changes as this card should be well worked in now as well as cured on the thermal paste. Again thanks for your post as your numbers are something to look forward to. Quigs, what would you say your max fully, 100% stable overclock is and at what voltages. When I say 100% I mean something you would be happy to leave it at 24/7 without any hardlocks, system reboots, drops to desktop, vpu recovers and of course artifacts.