But its still above 3.60GHz :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by bachus_anonym
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But its still above 3.60GHz :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by bachus_anonym
Finally i fixed my 32M problems, and luckily it fits into the sub 13m category! :D
http://213.202.211.105/gravedigga/co...hz_4050mhz.jpg
No tweaks and 24/7-windows, just realtime.
Tweaking does make a difference.;)
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5303/32m4026uw3.jpg
Higher memclocks + B2 and which tweak else do u used? This copy-big-file-tweak? :D
Don't think this new 2x512 GeILs (no D9, as i expected :() i use can do 505MHz, so i will lose the advantage of 2GB, and thats not good.. ;)
Yes, copy-big-file-tweak and others. Some people think the P5B Dlx is slow. If you keep FSB in the 400+ range and use 4:5, it's not slow at all.;)
Hard one with an E6600! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
Anyway, i booted with 400MHz and put up the FSB to 450MHz with SetFSB, so it should be the same effect, as if u stay around 400MHz. With this way i got an error first time, with just 1,45V on the NB, needed 1,55V then. When i boot up with 423MHz i can go to 500MHz easy on 1,45V.
Well, it's not the point of this Challenge, if you read carefully. It's the certain time window you need to fit in (9:5x, 10:5x, 11:5x, 12:5x, etc) at the lowest possible CPU clock. not the other way around ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by alpha0ne
Yep, things are a bit more difficult with E6600 as in some cases x9 multi is just a tad too low to fully take advantage of tight strap. Even E6700 is a lot better to work with...Quote:
Originally Posted by funkflix
A propos, this is pretty much all I can do for "below 12m" category. With E6700/P5B Deluxe, this can could be probably beaten @ 410x10 4:5, though...
Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 465x9=4182Mhz, Corsair 6400C3 @ DDR2-930 4-4-4-4.0 --> 11:58.344
ASUS P5B Deluxe, vcore/vdimm/vmch-modded; CPU cooled w/ "402XTREME" by Chilly1
vcore: 1.68v (DMM)
vdimm: 2.18v (DMM)
vmch: 1.75v (DMM)
Naturally, this result is achieved by booting @ 400x9 and raising FSB to 465MHz using ClockGen...
EDIT: This is just to compare with sierra's and funkflix's results and to show what can be done on P5B Deluxe. Below result is no good for this Challenge...
Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 432x9=3887Mhz, Corsair 6400C3 @ DDR2-1080 5-4-4-5.0 --> 12:36.922
ASUS P5B Deluxe, vcore/vdimm/vmch-modded; CPU cooled w/ "402XTREME" by Chilly1
vcore: 1.72v (DMM)
vdimm: 2.46v (DMM)
vmch: 1.56v (DMM)
Also, system booted @ 400x9 4:5 and then FSB raised to 432 using ClockGen. Ratio 4:5 and "tight strap" were very hard for me to harness at the same time, though. Only going CAS5 allowed me to reach above 410MHz. That 432MHz is all I could do for 32M. Straight boot @ 4:5 was good for 32M all the way up to 450MHz (DDR2-1125)...
Hey bachus, nice work, i love watching you do 32m runs as your scores are always so much better then mine at similar clocks (i dont know much about super pi lol)Quote:
Originally Posted by bachus_anonym
Anyways, 4:5 clocking on the 1066 strap is helped a ton by raising up the vmch. I too couldnt pass 410 with clockgen but going up to 1.8v vmch got me alot higher, also a tras from 6-8 may let you keep the cas at 4 for the runs.
Good luck!
If I boot at 8 x 465 with E6600 on P5B deluxe, what bootstrap is this booting with ? and I was under the impression this thread is about low clock speed 32mb times. Whats all this discussion about over 4Ghz clock speed times ? or is 4Ghz considered low clock speed ? ? ?
What is this all about:confused:
I'd like to have a go but im not sure what were doing:p:
Do you have to tweak whatever you can to get the closest to 24mins at the lowest clocks you can?
Try to get a time like xx min 59.xx sec and this with the lowest clocks possible. Doesn't matter which clocks u use, only the time is important. Look at the results here and try to beat it, or going for an equal result.
straight boot at 465 = 1333 strap = BAD for PiQuote:
Originally Posted by IluvIntel
Better with sauce on :fact: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
you can always do a vMCH mod
rip off the stock cooler and slap something decent
and boot at sub 400MHz and clockgen up with monster vmch and 1067 stap.......doable past 500MHz :D and killer PI times :D
not sure if the first post is being updated anymore but i had some free time this morning so i decided to have a go with the E6300.
boot @ 399...clockgen up to 462FSB to keep that strap where it belongs. 14.XXX is about the lowest time block i can shoot for with the P5B-Dlx and 7X multi of an E6300. i spent a good couple hours at it and this is the best i could pull:
14m 58.281s @ 3238MHz
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...clock32m-1.gif
Yes, it is being updated. Very good time and thanks for your contribution 3oh6. Helluva a good run bachus - as usual. That should stand for some time. I'm working on my board and, if it still boots up, will try to make some contributions as well.
can you share with us the cooling method on MCH including vMCH used and whether you modded it :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by 3oh6
excellent and thanx. i will try to get to some AMD times later...i'm too busy playing with my new toy :)Quote:
Originally Posted by coop
can do dinos...this one is un-modded so vMCH is the BIOS max of 1.65v. i have pulled the stock heatpipe setup and slapped a Zalman ZM-NB47J on there that i had laying around. i have a 120mm leaning up against the ultra-120 blowing over the DIMMs and the northbridge.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
i can CG up to about 470 and bench pretty much anything there but over that and even 1M gets hit or miss. this is my second P5B-Dlx and the first one would crap out around 460ish (CGing from 399 of course) with the same cooling. this one seems to be better so i think i will be keeping it and the mods should come soon, just waiting on some trimmer pots for the droop and vCORE. with a Maximizer in hand, i won't have to worry about the vDIMM :D
damn you 3oh6 and your maximizer :p: :D
nice motherboard man
searches for that zalman somewhere heheheheh
hehehe, check out my thread i started in Xtreme Bandwidth...i haven't hooked it up to the board yet but i can't stop playing with it. i feel like a 6 year old with a new fire truck on christmas morning...i think the term is "shyt eating grin" :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
that zalman should be had pretty much anywhere...its bright blue, passive, and just fits under the fins of an Ultra-120 on a P5B-Dlx...and it only cost me $11CDN from my local shop. apparently its pretty decent or i just got lucky with this motherboard. can't wait to see what it will do with a small dry ice pot and the vMCH modded...500FSB/1066 strap here i come ;)
hahahah :banana::banana::banana::banana: that was funnyQuote:
Originally Posted by 3oh6
yeah i know those Zalmans did a world of good for me in early 2005 with Asus A8N Deluxe replacement for that POS whinny little fan heheheh..........
I know this is abit late, and abit mediocre ... but .. here's mine. Sub 3Ghz Opty under 24min :D
2992......farksy.................23.58.671
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/598...2millc0.th.jpg
Way off the rest ... perhaps my OS isnt' right ? [on the Xs stripped down one] and also because this is a 10Gb partition of my 80GB Hdd. Should get those benching harddisks so as to not wreck my files.
just under 15min @3320Mhz with Intel D975XBX Bad axe rev304
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Intel975...9s984ms_tn.png
Here is my contribute ^^
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/6...2mb3520yo9.jpg
New Update : p
Lower Clock.. Daily Use Clock
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5913/spi32hk8.jpg
updated...nice work farksy and eva2000. cannibal, what is going on with cpu-z?...safemode? Can you refine abit to get like 16min and say 50 something seconds?
hey coop safe mode cause no time to tweak XP :D
... ooooh, coooome oooon, George :D :buddies: Don't let P5B Deluxe destroy that result :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 349x9=3142Mhz, Corsair 8888C4DF @ DDR2-1163 5-4-4-4.0 --> 14:59.391
ASUS P5B Deluxe, vcore/vdimm/vmch-modded; CPU cooled w/ stock cooler
vcore: 1.38v (DMM)
vdimm: 2.40v (DMM)
vmch: 1.47v (DMM)
I know, I know... Your BadAxe is not vmodded. Just messin' with ya :) But with some aggressive tweaking, there is probably still around 5s to gain up there.
EDIT: I'll add one more result, to start-up "15:xx" category:
Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 327x9=2943Mhz, Corsair 8888C4DF @ DDR2-1090 5-4-4-4.0 --> 15:57.453
ASUS P5B Deluxe, vcore/vdimm/vmch-modded; CPU cooled w/ stock cooler
vcore: 1.33v (DMM)
vdimm: 2.27v (DMM)
vmch: 1.47v (DMM)
:toast: :peace:
hehe not sure but after reinstalling winxp, clock for clock my 32m pi times are 10 seconds slower than before even with same tweaks ??? anyway it's time to play with Q6600 http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=3278 so be back later :D
under 15min @3303Mhz with Intel D975XBX Bad axe rev304
@2.39v vdimm
Single 32M
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Intel975...5ms_memset.png
Dual 32M
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Intel975...rpi-32m_tn.png
Great idea for a challenge this, makes it accessible to everyone! :toast:
Anyways here's my entry:-
Sub 12 Mins @ 4102MHz (11m 56.891s)
E6600 @ 455 x 8 1:1 - 1.6v Aircooled Tuniq Tower 120
Asus P5WDG2 WS Pro VMCH @ 1.85v
2 x 1Gb Cellshock PC8000 D9GKX 3-3-3-1 TRD 5 @ DDR2 911 2.56v
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q.../11-56-891.png
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q...-3-3-1-453.png
All the best,
Maff
Nice entry HermS, welcome. I will update later, today I hope.
400*9=3600mhz , ddr2_1200 4-4-4-4, p5b deluxe mod. pi_32m=13min02.062sec
http://vic.expreview.com/attachment/1162133719.jpg
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375*12=4500mhz, ram=ddr2_1126 4-4-3-1, p5w64 ws pro mod. pi_32m=11min05.313sec
http://vic.expreview.com/attachment/1162133748.jpg
MONSTER TIMES THERE VICTOR
that RAM is just kick arse
the only thing is that you are supposed to aim for 12m 5xs rather than 13m 0xs...bump the clocks a little and get under 13m and 11m respectively :p:
Cheeky bugger ^ :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
As always VictorWang, thanks for the "times to try for" :clap: :toast:
thx dinos and alpha, I'll try when I have time ag. :D
"that RAM is just kick arse" agreed, what IS that?? Cellshock?
having some fun with my Team Xtreem 6400 C4s on the AM2 setup...
25.xx.xxx - 2747MHz
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...-3-5_32m-1.gif
i will be back with some more from this setup for the other time blocks soon enough.
System:
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe QPGE B1 Step 5
- Swiftech G4 Storm/Thermochill 120.3/MCP650 + Kayl 100W Custom PSU
- Asus P5B Deluxe 0804 bios
- 128MB Gainward FX5200 PCI
- 500GB Seagate 7200.10 SATAII
- LiteOn 165H DVD-ROM
- FDD
- 3x 120x25mm 76cfm 0.4A fans
- 1KW OCZ ProXStream 1000PXS Quad PCI-E psu
Below is probably one of my fastest single 32M Super Pi times I have done at such low cpu clocks of 3269mhz!
2GB Gskill PC6400PHU2 HZ Micron D9GMH 0629 Batch
@544mhz 4-4-4-4 2-25-5-9-9-9
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/P5B...4m54s156ms.png
Hipro Maximizer powered http://i4memory.com/showpost.php?p=53634&postcount=3 :D
victor can you give us your sub timings please ?
http://maxicrash.free.fr/Conroe%20E6...m21.266s-2.JPG
i cant get better than this :/
Hello everybody, im new on this, here is my screenshot:
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6899/32miq6.th.jpg
Intel Core 2 duo E6300 @ 3.1 Ghz
Memory TA ddr2 667 cas 5 @ 900 Mhz
Motherboard Gigabyte 965P-DS3
Hard Disk Hitachi 164 Gb Sata II
PSU Logicys Black Beauty 480 Watts
Coolermaster Centurion 5
Dvd-RW LG 18x
Cya Everybody
Just testing the RAM with 2.09V (DMM)... :banana:
I'll try my luck for sub 13mins with CAS5.
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9...m02359sqm3.png
Thats an amazingly good time before :clap: :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by before
I would sell a kidney for your ram :fact:
He's just babying it. Those are pure monsters once they get real voltage. :eek: Seems like he's teasing us. ;)
you say that all the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by alpha0ne
how many kidneys have you got mate
None left now you tosser :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
:p: :D :D :D :D :D :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by alpha0ne
And now that I have no more body parts to sell it looks like I'll have to PAY for another E6300 L631B239 :mad: :( :p: :slapass:
WTF are you buying that for manQuote:
Originally Posted by alpha0ne
any E6300 will do 3.5ghz i reckon hahahahah
My week 27 does that too but my E6600 wont, it wont even run at 3.20GHz 24/7 :stick: :fact: :p: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
GAY CPU GAAAAAAAYQuote:
Originally Posted by alpha0ne
hehe :D Thx both Alpha and Gautam :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
Actually, I'm fighting for the lowest time @3.6GHz with these sticks @600MHz 4-4-4-4... Weird thing that it needs at least 2.5V to run stable @600MHz CAS4 while it ONLY needs 2.09V to do so @614MHz CAS5 :( Also, 2.6V results in less stability (at least for 32M calculations).
So close to sub 13mins :D
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4...m04672sse4.png
Interesting...no way that can really be cas 3...but it does seem to perform better than CAS 4. That's the fastest 3.6GHz time I've seen by a couple of seconds, and that too with only 2x512!
Lower tRFC possible?
yea, it's a Biostar bug... it missreads CAS4 (set into the bios of course) while running 2:3 ratio.
tRFC=28 seems the lowest possible.
I've been able to save few seconds up to 6.9GB copy-waza. (1.6GB more resulted in less stability: crashes or worst times)
oh i thought that was cas3.....these times are even more awesome then :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by before
6.9GB??? :eek:
Seems well worth it though, that time is just flat out amazing. I wonder how you'd do with 2x1024. :eek:
yeah he's got some supertweaks going on :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
Thx my friends :toast:
I'd love to try with a good 2*1024MB kit... my bro Quent is going to send me a kit of Corsair Dominator; may be sub 13mins @3.6GHz will become reality then :p:
Here's my lowest CPU clock to join the sub 13mins club. :)
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/7...m59688sbx9.png
YES! 11sec [IMG]http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3...mincpuzkc5.jpg[/IMG]
this takes about an hour on my athlon 64 x2, lol :D
when i get the time, i'll see what i can do
*thinks about crappy ram, crappy cpu and dfi expert mainboard*
i'm in for the 40.xx min contest :lol:
nice one coop :)
got one with the 17.xx category with allendale and some elcheapo micron sticks doing 600Mhz 32M :D
Not optimised yet but a start heh
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/7...5661524xv4.jpg[/B]
I decided to try this out. :)
Unmoded p5b-dlx, no tweaks except pagefile ~160mb, old Windows XP install.
13m37sec SPI 32M (can't do SPI at higher ram speed, I need to Vmod the board for 600mhz ;))
http://i15.tinypic.com/35aw6ja.jpg
page file = 160M
how much of a gain did you see with this tweak
I never tried with bigger pagefile, I always close useless programs before running SPI.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
But I will try tomorrow to see how much gain it gives. :)
dinos, rick fx, I'm still here. I will update on Sat. Thanks dinos.
14.xx with Allendale :)
E6400 @ 404x8=3232MHz, 4:5 505 4-4-4-4-4-20-4-9-4-9 with Asus Commando (1066 strap), 14m54.328s
Without Copy Waza (OS on FAT16 partition ;))
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/9...3232mhzeb2.jpg
what the heck OS on FAT16 partition DO TELL MORE PLEASE
nice time btw :cool:
FAT16 is not really important, this is only the explanation why Copy Waza was impossible. In fact, it is not important at all ;).
I have very non-Pi partitioned HDD so for Pi OS there was only a couple of GB - so FAT16, why not ;), now I can flash with EZFlash without FDD :).
Just a not-really-well-tweaked (registry is absolutely not tweaked - I'm not good in it...) OS.
Tried with higher FSB but 4:5 and 1066 strap is very hard combination, even on Commando with ~2V @ NB...
My best 32M was 12m30.3xxs, 498 FSB @ 1066 strap :) (CPU is capable of ~510 FSB, NB is limiting).
Update with better scores :cool:
Ram only at 500Mhz 4:5, for now.
I will test 600mhz 2:3 after I do Vmods this week :)
Ram timings in notepad
Only tweak used is "kill explorer.exe"
SPI 32M --> 13m25.468sec
http://i12.tinypic.com/2dhboeq.jpg
rick, a better score does no good unless it is done at a lower speed. Then only if it comes in under the "minute" mark. Also 1m pi's don't belong here. Slow your speed down to whatever to make 13min 59sec. etc.
LOL i stopped counting how many times we've all mentioned that to everyone.........maybe a bigass RED BOLD letters on first post might do the trick LOL hehehQuote:
Originally Posted by coop
Ok, SPI 1M results removed, sorry about that. :)
Your request is very vague and should be more specific in your first post. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by coop
Here are couple suggestions: :)
Maybe you could start off your 1st post by mentioning that scores must be between a XXmin55sec - XXmin05sec bracket or XXmin50sec - XXmin10sec bracket and that all scores not respecting this criteria will not be added to the list. Also, maybe remove all existing scores that aren't within the time brackets.
Example: (using scores already in the first post)
13m50sec - Goal:14minutes - 14m10sec
3604.1......camouflage...............13.52.609
3596.3......alpha0ne...................13.54.297
3600.9......eva2000....................13.56.422
3800.1......dinos22................... ..13.57.187
3392.2......bachus_anonym...........13.57.485
4000.........funkflix.......................14.03. 781
I hope this is helpful :2cents: :)
Rick the idea is the have the scores at XXm 5Xs at lowest possible CPU MHz
i don't know what funkflix's result is doing there but you see all the other ones are around 13m 52-58s and the lowest MHz CPU wins the round basically
so my allendale run is a shocker because the CPU is a B5 Step5 and have 2MB L2 cache .....so for me to improve there i would need to first of all get a B2 Step6 which is quicker clock for clock and use an E6600 with 4MB cache and the best possible RAM combination....ideally 1200MHz with tightest possible timings or clockgen to 450MHz FSB with 4:5 divider and RAM at 563MHz 4-4-4-x which is impossible on my motherboard with 4:5 ratio
out of that bunch this is the quickest time because bachus_anonym achieved SUB-14m superpi time with lowest CPU speed :)
Quote:
3604.1......camouflage...............13.52.609
3596.3......alpha0ne...................13.54.297
3600.9......eva2000....................13.56.422
3800.1......dinos22................... ..13.57.187
3392.2......bachus_anonym...........13.57.485
4000.........funkflix.......................14.03. 781
Allendale 7x374 4:5 4-4-4-4-4-20-4-9-4-9, Asus Commando
17:59.813s :)
Not a bad one I think :D, still without Copy Waza ;).
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8...2618mhzku0.jpg
Broke 13sec with 3600mhz :D and 600mhz on my 6400c3's:
http://www.overclockingpin.com/12min...%203600mhz.jpg
Thanks for the suggestion rick and for the explaination dinos. I hope this is good for now. At the start I wanted to include as many people as possible to get people interested and get the thread going. It may need some revision and housekeeping now. I will try to check here more as I don't seem to get the email notification everytime there is a post. Excellent time k|ngp|n. dinos, it looks like we need to get busy again. Post has been updated.
17.XX category
This was really not done for this challenge, but it does meet the requirements
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/797...spi32mbxk8.jpg
Nothings tweaked, even had antivirus running :toast:
:eek: :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
Plenty have been waiting to see sub 13m at 3.6GHz flat forever, plenty have come close but no one's quite nailed it till just now. :D WTG Vince, you definitely have this game down. :toast:
Btw, if you want another another lil challenge check this out.
I think I've hit the final straw...these 965 mobos on the 2:3 are just untouchable. It's about time sometime gave them a shot for serious clocks. ;)
nice vince congrats that'sQuote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
777.188 x 3603.4 = 2,800,519
very efficient there :)
I did this on Asus 680i striker
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/680...3m14s859ms.png
794.859 x 3599.9 = 2,861,413
Another result of my Allendale, 6x391 this time ;) => 19m58.922s
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/2...2346mhzhx2.jpg
Thanx man :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
Really having a blast tweaking 32m with the lower clock speeds...who says you need run 3d with ln2 and monster clocks to have a good time lol ;)
Decided to take you up on that sub 4ghz challenge, but just realized after 2hrs or so of benching that the results in that thread are 1m and not 32m rofl.
Anyways, here is the fruit of my labor this morning. I will try for somw 1m at 4ghz next:
11min 53sec at 4ghz flat:
http://www.overclockingpin.com/11min...32m%204ghz.jpg
thanx and very nice time on 680i eva!Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Nice result. Have you tried 680i any?
Can't say I have run pi on 680i much. Faster than 965/975?Quote:
Originally Posted by NiCKE^
damn..that chick in your avatar is smokin!!
Not according to any current results. :p:
965 seems to be the king when used with those bigass mem clocks and 1066 strap. 680i looks pretty good after all...but seems a bit behind 965.
I think the next slowest speed that anyone was able to pull off sub 12m was in the 4.1 gig range, another great time there. :clap:
Nice time Vince! :toast: hehe I need a good 2Gb kit to challenge you...
Prior to this run, did you try it first w/o waza?
Any guesses on how many days it would take on the Pentium-90 in my garage? I'd like to see 90MHz matched though.:stick:
:)
Don't make me break it out.
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
With thight subtimings it should be atleast as good as 975 from what eva2000 said. Then you can run 1T also but it will probably need like 480ish before you can see it be equal between 1T and 600 2T.Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
nah i don't think you'll be able to beat 975x/965x but one advantage it does have is maxing out RAM so you may beat it in some instances if intel chipset runs out of dividersQuote:
Originally Posted by NiCKE^
it's close but still 680i will be a bit behind but the gap is alot smaller than what was first thought :)Quote:
Originally Posted by NiCKE^
:banana::banana::banana::banana: this i need to get a B2 stepping this is killing me grrrrr
I've got one you can swap for :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
LOL alpha
Well 1 second faster at 3600mhz, and also did 3612mhz and 3647mhz runs to see what it takes on 680i striker to hit sub 13min 05s times for 32M
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/680...3m13s859ms.png
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/680...3m11s312ms.png
http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/680...3m04s953ms.png
lol i need something that can do 3GHz with a little less vcore......what did you say you need again 1.6v ROFL :p: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by alpha0ne
Quote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
Ha, ha, ha......NICE GOING there Vince......:D :toast:
Ah okey, then I misunderstood you.Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000