I tryed running higher clocks then 600. Hoping for no artifacts but it resulted in a lockup :'(
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I tryed running higher clocks then 600. Hoping for no artifacts but it resulted in a lockup :'(
Ermm .. what did you use to flash bios ?Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Do you have a link ?
I want to grab the bios from my card and stick it in an editor to play with ideally ;)
Can you sent me your bios ? I got mine out with Ati Flash 3.04. But i need A bios from a card that can do 1.3v on the gpu without locking up after playin 3d for like 15 min. Mine locks up with all higer than 1.2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
wouldn't that be a temperature problem? what cooling on the card?Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
Nope Its on a Zalman VF700 CU. Its not under the 65c stressed. so that could not be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by biohead
Aure you on GoT to ? have you got an X1800 XL from sapphire ? if you have can you get past 1.25v ?
Found v 3.09 and got bios off .. were do you want it sent ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
Now what can I use to edit it lol ...
A Great !!!! :toast: :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
Astennu91@hotmail.com plz. I hope it will fix it. U have a Gecube ?
Tnx man !!
i ow u one :toast:
They are making an new version of rabit where u can edit voltages and clock speeds.
No .. mine is HIS ... but I think maybe bios are the same ... but its sent so good luck :)
I can only find rabit 1.6 that opens files, but it wont let me alter clock or core .. so now need an editor :rolleyes:
ooo just noticed you said a new version of rabit coming .. cool, I will keep an eye out on his site. :)
They are working on it. I did not recive it yet. could you send a second mail to frank.van.de.pol@kion.nl. Ty to rar the file maybe some virus scanners will block it somehow, I hope o get it soon so i can test it en hopefuly fix my 1.2 volt limmit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
Sorry I took so log getting back to you .. I hadn't remembered how fussy hotmail can be with attachments. ... and dont forget hotmail also tends to filter a lot of mail as junk when it isn't ;)
RAR file sent to other addy too :)
Oh dear :(
Mail undelivered:
"Hi. This is the qmail-send program at pandora.local.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
<frank.van.de.pol@kion.nl>:
192.168.0.10 does not like recipient.
Remote host said: 550 <frank.van.de.pol@kion.nl>, Recipient unknown
Giving up."
I will forward it too the hotmail addy .. just look in your junk folder for one from bartflaster ...
why don't you just upload the bios here? :) cause i want it too. :)
btw has anyone found out how to edit those bioses yet? :)
I hope eventually we will be able to flash the bios with our desired clocks AND voltages so they will always be as set without having to run these applications in the background on each boot. Do any of them remain set after a reboot?
Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
they should stick with the new ATI Tool when its finalized and made public.
I have now new FX-57 (0528 MPMW) and also DFI Lanparty RDX200 CF-DR motherboard that runs fine @ 266 MHz (2-2-2-6) with Mushkin Redline XP 4000 memory. Lets see when the Radeon X1800 XT CrossFire edition arrives :)
My card dous suck :( can some one do a run @ 1.3v ? for like 15-30 min ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman
If u can run that voltage i will buy a new one. Owh and the tool undervolts if u set 1.275 u get 1.25v and if u set 1.3 u get 1.275v.
Someone plz test the voltage. I'm stuck @ 1.175 ( in real voltage 1.2 was set )
can you post the cf bios when you get it :) thx :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
btw sampsa do you have a xt bios you could upload? :)
I thought it was mentioned that the XT bios does nothing for an XL card and infact an XL bios was best for an XL card.
Frugger said it. But i'm stuck on 1.75v max so i would give anything a try. i'm now testing 1.95- 2.0v ( real volts not the one set by the clock program ) And clocks so far are 650-800.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
As an update .. just been playing GTL online for over an hour @ 600/1400 1.225v/1.9v no problems ... seems you have got a rare duff clocking card Astennu .... unusual, cos I normally have monopoly on those :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
card never artifacted or locked up at all at those speeds? You try any other games? You try a higher clock or is that your max to remain lockup and artifact free?
That was my first test ... I know I can go to around 680/1530 possibly a little more .. but how stable it is I don't yet know ... I really want the ATitool so I can check for artifacts and set clock at windows start-up ... would make me feel more secure ;)
Same. I would like to enable 2D/3D profiling when the new ATI Tool is out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
Its such a hassel to keep on setting it up. I hope wizzard will enable profile support for voltages. :D
I don't like ATI Tool, I hope the new ATI Tray Tools in future Omega drivers will also support this.
Well, seems like they both struggling to get the OC'ing thing working.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
I'm testing a new thing. I can run 1.225 volt now. But only with a core of 625-800. But the cards draws 40.x amps :D stock = 24.x :P almost 2x the normal ammount.
If i increes my clocks above 625 i get lockups in my stress testing program.
May me drivers issius of some kind ? or maybe because i use terrible high mem clocks ??
625/1500 1.225/1.9 just had 2 hours of running IL2/PF missions .. normaly that game finds overclock weekness, so very happy bunny here :D
I assume no-one else can use the old style CP with x1800 ? (and therfore omega drivers CP/Ati tray tool).
If I install it it comes up with an error on start-up.
Nice :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
What cooler are u using? And what is the air temp by u?
Best (without artifacts and stable) i can get at the moment with stock cooling is 625 / 700. But i dare not run this 24/7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
why do you dare not? Still on stock cooling?
Man I hope my X1800 can do what yours is. Is 625/700 comparable to a GTX? I'm sure it beats a GT. Either way it should be much faster than my X800XL which is playing Quake IV and fear now pretty good. COD2 on the other hand is pure chops.
Bud, at that speed it even beats a 7800GTX :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
Plus the IQ is what u expect from ATI :D
I get 8500 in 3dmark05. And thats with my CPU running @ 2.3ghz.
Yes, im still running with a stock cooler. Waiting to see what comes out that support these babies. Im just not sure that the Zalman is that much better.
BTW my COD2 is running 100%, so no need worry.
Thank you kindly mr. Yellow! My cpu is only running at 2.48ghz as its a crappy winchester and that is about as high as it can go. If 625/700 beats a GTX in 05 what does a GTX score in 05?
Thanks for the Call of Duty tip too. My dad is playing it on his X850XTPE and it runs great but on my X800XL it's ok until I use the sniper scope. Everything gets very choppy and hard to aim that way. If my card could do 625/700 fully stable, lockup free and artifact free I will be one happy camper. If you are unsure about the Zalman I will let you know as I ordered the Fatality version along with the card for testing. I am sure it will net me cooler temps for sure.
Mr. Yellow did you need volts to be at 1.225/1.9 for 625/700 or did you need higher or lower amounts?
Damn I wish my card would hurry up and ship. NCIX is taking their sweet time and I am on the last part of processing before it ships. Going to be a long weekend anxiously awaiting this card. I hope the wait is worth it with a strong clocker.
A Stock 430/1200 GTX on my PC hits 77xx area in 05.
This card at stock hit 73xx ish @ 625/750 its 85xx area 512mb XT's are reported to be 9k stock ...
Mr Yellow ... how much better than 10-13 deg cooler under load do you want ;)
Only way to get much better is water or frozen.
Add to that nowere near the noise of the stock fan on full chat ....
Then there's the supplied ramsinks ... on the stock set-up I was artifacting @ 775 within a minute, with the zalman ramsinks and fan on (the fan area also cools the rest of the card not just the GPU) I was up t0 800 and only artifacted on the 5th run of nature on 03 at 1.95v.
If you want air cooling, I dont think you will be able to buy a better solution ... I have had Artic Coolers in the past and their is no competition IMO, Zalman wins hands down.
your saying your X1800 XL @ 625/750 hits just 73xx? I dont think you are since my XL @ 628/775 hits 88xx.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
no, he said 73xx was at stock and 85xx was 625/750..Quote:
Originally Posted by gunit
:confused:I think my volts was @ 1.25/2.00 @ that speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
Thanx, i think i'll order the Zalman. But which one should i get?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
Fatality or Vf700 (i think thats the model) :confused:
They are the same. only the fatality is red and has a led fan. The VF700 Is Kopper and has a normal fan. I don't know it the fatality version is made of copper. It could be a AL version.Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
Thanx ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
The 700 comes in alu with copper centre, and all copper ... I have the alu-copper version.
Edit: Fatality is noisier than the 700 by around 6-7 db.
u can both get them in an all-copper version. The fatality type looks red, has a LED-fan (although the normal zalman vf700-led has it too, 'doh'), and it's fan is running a bit faster so it performs better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
I'd just go for the one who looks best. Imo it's the fatality.
http://www.sysopt.com/img/2005/10/zalmanf6.jpg
- Dimensions : 91(L) x 126.4(W) x 30(H)mm
- Weight : 270g
- Base Material : Pure Copper
- Bearing Type : 2 Ball-Bearing Sets
- Speed : 2,050 rpm ± 10% (Quiet Mode), 3,500 rpm ± 10% (Performance Mode)
- Noise Level : 23.7 dB ±10% (Quiet Mode), 36dB ±10% (Performance Mode)
now back to topic :woot:
Back to topic killed the thread didn't it biohead ;)
Anyhow .. I think there is no doubt ATi picked the best to hand to Sampsa et all at the convention.
We are seeing XL's clocking great, but XT's are a different matter ATM ... most people who have one are maxing out around 725/800 ... mine is topping out @ 725/790 (any higher core hardlocks in 3D, even with a bit of voltage increase), and 800 on the memory brings artifacts in 3D before it can complete an 05 run.(despite the memory supposedly being rated for 800).
Don't get me wrong, 725/790 aint bad, and at stock its a great card (once you remove that whiney cooling solution and stick a Zalman on), I am very happy with my new X1800XT 512mb, but the majority haven't got the overclocking potential we might be led to believe ;)
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bartflaster/Images/05f.jpg
Isn't the x1800XT using 1.26ns memory? If so that is rated at 790MHz. Rated. Which means you haven't even began overclocking the memory yet! Have you tried playing with voltages?
My x1800XL has 1.4ns and I got it to 783MHz stock cooling 1.95v (defaults are 500 @ 1.90v)...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
lets not forget sampsa was using ln2... this wasnt on the stock cooler lol.
The card does run warm even under the Zalman. Mine can reach 61C on the high end with XT clocks yet not XT voltage, and thats with an extra 120mm fan blowing on it. So possibley tempature is holding you back from higher clocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
As for memory, I have an XL so it might be different but check into playing with your core voltage if you can a little, mine seems greatly affected by core voltage. Mem voltage doesn't seem to help much yet under my 1.9V stock volts up to my tested 2.0v, but I've seen many others with my card put 2.2V into them and they seem to shine some more. Its possible that you might need to up the juice in them to open them up some more.
What voltages are you running?
Well, The thing is, I had an XL, and the memory on that is (IIRC)rated for 700, and I could get it to 775, increasing voltage to 1.95 meant I could get 800, but I did have some sparlklies.
Stock voltages here ... 1.325 still doesnt get me a 750 core and 2v mem isnt doing anything either ..
The XT ... even with 2v on the mem ... still major artifacts on the latter part of the last 3dM test .... I was thinking I might get at least 825 on the mem once it was out of that stock cooler and 2mm thick thermal pads ;)
Core still locks up in 3D after a few min @ anyhing much over 725, which is pretty good I think ... just the memory has dissapointed me.
I am aware Sampsa was running extreme cooling .. but only on the GPU .. the mem just had a fan blowing across it. (apart from a very cold thing close by lol).
mine can go 848 with stock voltage, but core has to be near 1.3v, but heat wont allow me to set core to 1.3v. So this Zalman cooler is better than stock one for shizzy? cause if i get it and it sucks ur all gonna have some splaynin to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
XL mems are rated at 700, not 800.
LOL. The Zalman is better than the stock XL cooler. But i don't know about the XT...its seems like a beast to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by gunit
The nice thing about the Zalman is that it blows air onto the ram chips aswell. ;)
You know.. when GPU is cooled down with dry ice or LN2 whole PCB and memory becomes pretty cold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
Imho your scores look pretty good. I can't hit more than 725 - 750 MHz with air cooling.
Hey Sampsa, any idea when this might happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
This card is totally throttling like the 7800gtx did around 0c :(
I have had my dothan setup sitting here with x1800xt with containers mounted ready to bench for almost a week now. Can't do a thing with it. I am close to saying :banana::banana::banana::banana: it with this thing and get a 7800 512 card.
I think Greyskull owes us a little explanation here. I don't think it's right to show these cards true potential under extreme cooling via Sampsa & macci if every other bencher cannot even run a retail card under -0°
I'm sorry to take your thread off topic Sampsa but this is something that needs to be addressed.
It's a nice card. does around 720-830 def. volts with cool air blowing on the card and I know it has a ton of potential for xtreme stuff. Grayskull has been responsive to my pm's so no complaints there really :). Just no solutions yet. I really want to let er' rip.Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
Several people have contacted me and asked about cold problems with Radeon X1800 XT. I haven't had any but apparently everyone else is having them with retail cards. I've used beta-drivers so far and haven't tested overclocking with Catalyst 5.11. It can be the card itself, drivers or a bios. I'll have to ask this directly from ATI.
Radeon X1800 CrossFire Edition in 2-3 weeks? We'll see..
Whoa ?? Anandtech says 06...:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
Perkam
Sampsa,Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
I know your a busy guy but if you had a minute to test the Cat 5.11's that might help us find an answer to this problem.
Thanks,
G
Well .... yes is far better than XL cooler .. XT is a mixed bag for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
Idle and most load are better, but playing FEAR which really pushes my temp up, the Zalman runs at about 4-5 deg more.
The major problem with the stock cooler, is even when its not spun up, its got a whine to it that gets on my nerves, especially as my tower is on the desktop.
I am considering getting the Zalman Fatal1ty, as its all copper (mine has a copper centre strip and the rest aluminium), AND it runs a faster fan speed.
That will mean more noise, but if its a whoosh instead of a whine, thats bearable :p:
I can also plug a fanmate inline for a bit more control.
Really ? .. well I feel better now :) TBH getting 725 from the core is fine, just a tad dissapointed I can't get the memory to 800 on the XT, but thats life :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
I got myself the Zalman Fatal1ty. It looks sweet, red heatsink, red ram chips and red led on the fan :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
It also much quiter than the XL cooler which also drove me mad.
I thought the XL cooler was noisy ... but in comparison to the XT one its a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:cat !
Anyone know what the maximum is for the core temp before it starts to throttle ?
Serious! Thats shocking :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
If thats the case then the zalman is definitly better.
Im not sure about the throttling tho. My guess is above 70c.
80's would be my guess since thermal throttle is 88C or something around that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
Edit: Ment throttle
The thermal limit must be higher than that, thats very low for a GPU ... IIRC X800/GTX are around 115 ?
Ment throttling point, my bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
My X800Pro that I had would freeze, shutdown, lockup, do VPU recovery what ever it needed to do if it hit 82C.
Ah, well this has been up to 85 playing FEAR for a couple of hours .. no problems ... TBH I am not sure its reported correctly, as the card and HS were not hot to the touch, and the stock cooler still hits 80 without ramping the speed up from normal gaming mode ... but to play it safe I have a Zalman Fatal1ty on the way ;)
Well, if its cool to the touch the HSF might not be making proper contact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
BTW 80c is still acceptable. I remember ATi saying that the x800 series could run into 90c and be safe.
**shakes head in amazement after reading all 10 pages**
this really makes me want to pick one of these up... but being 16 and having a $7/hr job will not suffice to pay for one... bah!
oh well, my x850xtpe is doin me pretty good so far :)
Yeah, I think its not in danger until it hits over 100 TBH.Quote:
Originally Posted by mR Yellow
Fatal1ty fitted, and I plugged a fanmate inline just to take the edge of full speed, even at full speed its a damn site less annoying than the whine of the stock solution ... and temps now are down by 8 deg load compared to the alcu version, 10 deg less if I run the fan full speed.
I did make up a patch lead to run the Fattal1ty from the card (and making use of thermal control) but that underpowers it a bit.
Yup, the Fatal1ty is pleasing to the ears compared to the stock cooler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
I would get it for that alone.
The black power connector is the 12V right? I'm just making sure i connected mine to run at full rpm.
Yep, black=12v white=5v
I am actually just trying a new method ...
I have plugged the Fatal1ty to the mobo on a connector that is run with cpu temp ... the theory being all games use the cpu so when that hits a certain temp the fans will spin up to cool it down, also spinning up the graphics card fan, but while the cpu is not being worked, then the cpu and gpu coolers are running slower and quieter.
The only downside to that is I cant get my bios to up the fan speeds at any lower than 51 deg cpu temp ... and even running prime atm, its only hitting 49.
As I have just been trying to heat up the GPU by running benchies and playing fear ... and only succeded in maxing at 77 deg on 5v with the Fatal1ty ... it looks pretty safe.
I am keeping a watchfull eye on the GPU temps and see what happens ... but it looks like even 5v is enough to match the stock cooler ... and in virtual silence too :)
Keep us posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
the cpu temp never gets high enough to wind up the fans atm ... so I have it on a fanmate running 3100rpm, I found that to be a nice compromise between noise and cooling.
Whole system on the limits of its overclocks and I just make the club:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bartflaster/Images/10k.jpg
Nice. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
But plz give us the details...clocks, volts ect.
Stock volts for x1800xt @ 729/792
CPU @ 2824 mhz 1.425v
Mem 5/6 divider cas 2.5
Pretty poor as those overclocks are on the edge for all my hardware .. but it looks like I got a poor clocking XT to match my CPU ;)
your cpu and gpu are clocked much higher than mine so hey.
I just got 9143 on my XL :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bartflaster
See here for details
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...96#post1149196