At 280 I think I was at 3900 but I'll have to re-check.
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At 280 I think I was at 3900 but I'll have to re-check.
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=44907
Man this stuff rocks!!!!
Now I have to sell my VX heh
Same here :D but i mush first find a place to buy these great sticks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazog
Here's update to my previous post: SPI8M 10x267 3-3-2-7-1T and alpha timings are same. Windows memtest was clean at same settings over 1.5 hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Family man 72
And some 3DMark03: GPU only at XT PE clocks:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
HERE :) I also ordered them :)
cheers ;)
So i just put together my machine (in sig). Haven't overclocked yet.
I'm using xp... i played a couple of games but turned them off am running azureus and a couple other things but nothing crazy. When I hit ctrl alt del right now it says commit charge 2546/4011 and at one point windows even said my pagefile was too small so it had to increase it. Can someone tell me why so much ram is being used up? Is this normal?
Since it's more than 2 gigs does that mean i'm constantly using my pagefile now?
What applications are using that much RAM? Taskmanager should tell you...
And now that you have 2GB it means you will use your HDD Pagefile less (which is good).
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
sorry my comp is not in sig.... i have this set of ram
I am running it right now (2gb plat ocz) and ... well heres the screenshot
i'm just running the regular apps in windows... no games no nothing
http://img453.imageshack.us/img453/9331/untitled7pq.jpg
I just restarted.... with commit charge saying about 400/3893 and i'm looking at it as we speak and it's going up by 1 meg at a time but not coming down from that. What is commit charge? is it how much ram is being use up?
Sweet ram
Prime blend
7 hours at 275 3-3-2-8
Just a test run, haven't tested for max yet. :)
http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/7031/prime6dy.th.jpg
no comment to that :| 51 processes... I've only got 18! U should consider 'cleaning up' your system by unchecking all unnecessary things in the startup tab in msconfig... god..Quote:
Originally Posted by Entropy1982
i did.... sorry to offend you RAM godQuote:
Originally Posted by biohead
no no I wasn't offended and I didn't try the oposite. But 51 processes.. heh :stick: :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Entropy1982
i got it yesterday but no time to test it
will post later, heheee
i hope it will do 290 3325 heheehe
More results please! :slobber: Im looking at these for xmas. I always wanted to try OCZ. Im still using a neo2 so i like the low voltages on these (right these use low volts?) These with my X2 4400 (already have) and my soon to be AIW X800xt will do me just fine @2.7 untill M2.
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Originally Posted by guess2098
290? not likely and definitely not in 3d. Even with an AMD64 FX 280Mhz is about the most u can get. My venice and Sandy couldnt break 267 with these sticks.
My Venice does 280 but needs 273 for gaming. Still though I love these sticks. 265x11 is tearing it up in BF2 and FEAR.
this ram looks so sweet. i ordered it from ncix yesterday, hope it dosn't take too long to get here. i'm going nuts waiting for it and its only been 1 day! lol
Quote:
Originally Posted by biohead
If youre actually using your system instead of benching, 52 processes isnt :banana::banana::banana::banana:.. Im at 55...
I've got mine last friday. I'm quite pleased with them. Timings in my sig.
When I get alot of spare time I might try and push for maximium clock but right now I'm happy with the tightish timings
Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
I use my system (not for beching) and I have less than 28 proccesses, 55 is brutal
I second thatQuote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
and I don't bench nemore, my rig is outdated.
27 processes, and this is more then i usually have (i just started running folding and right now i have aim, quicktime, itunes, and msn on, some apps i rarely use)
anything over 30 is wayyy to much imo...
Hmmm this doesn't resemble an Operating system forum??? I am sure there is one here at XS where you can discuss how many processes you have / should be running. Can we stick to results with the Ram in the title please?
Thanks ;) :D
I dont know what you use your system for. I definately fall into the power user catagory.
BTW, i just got my ram yesterday as monarch is one slow ass shipper. Mine are duds, they cant even do 270 at spd settings. Are your latest batches being speed binned? I turn the timings to 3,3,3 across the board, still cant do 270. Everyone else seems to hit 275 at SPD settings with ease.
Using Big Toe modded 704.
Whats your TREF and all other settings Haltech.....TREF alone can change 10mhz or higher on clocks.
*Could* be a mem controller issue.
i wish it was vapor but the OCZ PC5000 kit was running 307 on my X@ 3800+ with ease until i slapped these bad boys in. Im not trying to be greedy, but i really do need 280 mhz. 260 Just isnt going to cut it.
I relaxed the settings and even tried with auto. Just no go at 270 even with 2.9 volts.
Rad, i tried the settings Andy gave for the other guy who couldnt hit any higher than 260.
http://www.venomousmofo.com/mofo04/ocz4000eb.png
Voltage doesn't help much...lower can be better....DFI motherboard? Try these:
In Genie Bios
270
auto
16 16
8
100
disable
1.425v
1.325v
above VID 110%
1.30v
1.60v
2.6 - 2.7
+0.3 if not 3.2V = enabled
DRAM Config
200
enable
3
3
7
2
13
16
2
2
1
3
1552
auto
enabled
auto
0
Level 8 (normal 4 in 704-2BT bios)
level 2
8ns
normal
6ns
256
disable
16
07
disable
I'm having some issues with TRP at 2 on the Toledo X2 cpu here...it works great on FX and venice though. Might be worth a try.
I pm'ed you RyderOCZ :)
I answered your PM Biohead
:woot:
Ill give those settings a go and see what happens. Thanks. :toast:
Ok, settings didnt work for me. 270 with a multiplier of 8, unable to hit DMI pool and boot into splash screen.. Tried 268, 265 and 263.. At 263, i could get to the welcome screen, garbbled text and graphics, than it hard locks. 258 is ok. :slapass:
Similiar problem here, but it is around 265-270, still have to do some more tweaking, at 270 it doesn't get past the DMI Pool
I think my DFI is overvolting the DIMM, 2.6 .3 enabled was giving me 2.69 in bios >.<
Hmmm...... drive strengths should be Data = 2 and Dram = Normal 4 or 8 depending on bios. TREF should be 1552. Try disabling the Dynamic Idle Counter I believe. BTW, I may have missed this but have you tried changing the slots?
After fiddling with my timings I would do that next ;)
Currently Windows Memtesting
700mb is at 360%
900mb is at 231%
I think it's stable ;) (260 with SPD timings)
You guys might wanna try 2.5-3-2-5 with 2.7 + .03v for around the 250-260 range, i'm at 256 right now and it's flawless.
Why even keep the ram than? For as much as this stuff cost, 275 isnt much to ask for, esp when others are hitting damn near 290! The first time ive been disappointed with an OCZ product.
Yellow performs the same as the orange. Duds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radelon
Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
Orange slots I've found to be better......also have you tried the settings and can you show me tweaker shots of the max clocks you get when you try our suggestions. Believe me, mine didn't go over 265 until I figured them out, then I was able to get 282....
As for the whole 255 thing.... With those timings and clocks you can tighten a lot of things, and 11x245 with tighter timings is only 30 points in 3dmark2003 when compared to 10x270 with looser timings.
Don't make me break out the boom stick. :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
The sticks aren't duds. Some of us did extensive testing for reviews, I used 2 CPUs and my SD got hung up at 260 the venice at 267. These ICs are pushing the memory controllers..
I just got 2GB kit of Corsair XMS3500LL which use a different revision of the same ICs and max is 255 Mhz. The tighter timings make these faster than the OCZ EL4000 even though the EL can hit 270 - 275 Mhz. These seem to top out for 3d benching / gaming for most people (except FX users) around 260 - 265 depending on the core. Your sticks are just fine - thats just all they are going to do with that CPU.
BTW - the Corsair sticks won't even pass DMI screen in the yellow slots.
Agreed, also, how long have you been trying to overclock these Haltech? I hope you tried other timings other than the recommended, figure out which data and drive strength are the best, then tREF, then from there fool around. You never know, you might find a value that might unlock the memory's potential. Then again your memory controller might not be so hot and that might be the cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnottis
If all I am able to reach is 265 I might as well drop to 255ish and run 2.5-3-2-7
I need more time to do some extensive testing before I end up doing that though ;)
Im using this as a Video encoding rig, not benching, so timings arent important to me as is with raw clock speed. I need the clock speed to justify the money i dumped into this rig over my Venice/OCZ PC5000 rig.Quote:
Originally Posted by Radelon
I just tried these sticks in another DFI i have with a venice.. Same settings, these guys cant do 260.. Seems im not the only one having an issue here. What settings do you have for your 282 clocks?
Ive tried 3,3,3 across the board. Ive gone about as lose as a hooker in TJ on these settings, im getting no where. Even tried them in a different dfi rig, same thing. So, i dont think its the memory controller considering the Venice can do 307 with no probs with my OCZ PC5000 stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
anyone else using an X2 getting over 260 with these?
I still say mem controller, 2x1GB is REALLY demanding on a mem controller....please test the sticks separately in slot 2 (furthest orange).
Ok, ill try them in singles in slot 2.
Your PC5000=1G?
YesQuote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
My same CPUs do 315+ Mhz 1:1 with TCC5 OCZ PC4800...
Yet with 2GB of PC4000 EB Im cannot break 260 on the memory and with 2GB of PC4000 EL I cant break 274 Mhz. It's the memory controller / 1GB sticks / maybe even a little of the ICs - in any case we are seeing issues with 1GB sticks that even great overclocking CPUs are having issues with.
Radelon - what did you do to get to 282 3d / gaming stable? I can get these EB sticks to 282 Mhz and memtest but I cannot game or 3d bench over 260.
The other item we all seem to be forgetting is that not all sticks are going to do the same speeds / timings....nothing in overclocking is guaranteed...not your CPU, not your motherboard...not your ram.
Haltech, if your unhapy...email me....we will get you sorted out.
Thanks :)
Is yours an E6 atepping? OCZ isnt using the same IC's as the Ballistix, correct?
No they are not the same as ballistix....Micron is only letting those out to Crucial that I know of.
I don't even think I can run 3D at 260 :confused:
Try 259 mhz, a few of us hit that cap with sandy cpus. Max 3d bench was 259, 260 - but I can memtest stable at 282 Mhz.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
I should've mentioned that earlier. Memtest / Prime 32M was fine at 282 2.6v, but 3d bench / game stable was a WHOLE 'nother story - 260 max for me in 3d.
Was it Windows memtest stable above 260? If so, that's REALLY odd...
yea, memtest was fine to 282 @ 2.6v, I was loving it until I started to try and game with it, then I realized 282 wasn't stable in 3d apps and started working back till I found 3d stablity. Was strange but the sticks still rock.
My CPU wont OC as high with 2 x 1GB sticks. The memory controllers are having a hard time with 1GB sticks of memory when overclocking.
Ya it wasQuote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
My Venice won't do 2720 reliably so here is 272 with 9 multi....but I run 265 x 10 all day long for BF2.
http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/7...d2725ec.th.png
i have a set of these on order to replace my Crucial Ballistix 2X1GB. Ive been struggling to get stability with the Ballistix with my X2 @ 260X10 3-4-4-10. I have to put 2.9v in them to stay stable, so if im getting more stability with vdimm, then it must be my ram and not the memory controller. All i hope for with these is stock timings at 260X10.
Anyone have any experience with this ram and an opteron?
I was just getting ready to hit that huge opteron thread. If i see any relevance, ill post a link in reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
Actually, 3d benching I can do all the way up to 280.....albeit anything over 274 actually returns lesser scores. The main thing you need to do is to try different bios', I actually checked mine and mines dated 7/06. I played with these sticks upwards, downwards and sideways. They are some of the easiest sticks to clock and to get running but need a bit of tweaking to do their best. The funniest thing about them is, I don't think my Venice tops them out.... for example 2.5-3-2-5, 256 is stable as can be in everything you throw at it, but 257 won't even boot. Same with 282, 3-3-2-7 will work everything but 3d, but 283 won't even boot. You just need to find the best settings for your setup. Mine actually hate looser timings and won't even run well with them. It's all about tweaking, and tweaking starts at what you believe to be your highest clocks. Try 1 setting at a time, then check memtest free of errors. You want the tightest timings you can without loosing stability, most of these timings are the supplemental timings, not the main 4. As you find the absolute best combination at a speed, try to up the clocks, this will give you a "sweet spot". SPD will not find this spot for you because it'll default to looser timings. Check out my thread which has bundles of timings in there, try those for starters and tweak from there. Usually to find best timings per clock takes me about 45 minutes the first time and next to no time tweaking from there. It seems so many are worried about FSB as apposed to best settings. A well tweaked set at 255 will beat a non tweaked set at 280 all day. And at 255 they are guaranteed stable.
What we all need to understand is we are overclocking 2gb worth of ram. Take GSkill for example....arguably the best tccd around....but in the 2x256 fashion. That's only 1/4 of the ram we are working with yet they had so much success because rarely did a memory controller limit the overclock. Now go to the 2x512 market which almost every other company selling TCCD was doing. Higher overclocks are less common and more dependant on the memory controller. If you only got 295 on 2x512 as compared to 315 on 2x256 everyone was complaining. Nobody really ever realised that if you took your 2x512 and used the chips in a 2x256 kit they would probably do 315, and you have to realise this is only 1/2 of what we are trying to overclock. 20 mhz difference in 1/4 the ram in comparison to 1/2 the ram. Now we are talking pushing over 270 in 2x1gb sticks and 4 times the strain on the cpu. By my calculations anything over 255 is icing on the cake for 2x1gb, but yet people aren't happy. And these limitations are all a result of the memory controller. The people with the highest TCCD clocks are the people that usually have the best cpu's (FX series) and we all think our little half wit cpus should be able to do the same. There's a reason why the FX series is what it is, the cream of the crop. Venice is usually better than a San Diego (non fx) because the venice is made to be at 512k on cache and there's no FX with that spec, so some venices have great memory controllers. Whereas San Diego's are basically the FX's that aren't the cream of the crop, therefore have weaker memory controllers. Not to mention the fact that some motherboard chipsets are better than others. So unless you have umteen boards and umteen cpus that can prove that the ram isn't performing the way it should then you need to take into consideration those as the weaker link before pointing the finger at the ram. Jumping to conclusions will only drive the prices up.
And as for dual core cpu's.....inherently I would say you are only as good as the weaker of the 2 cores. Therefore, more problems with memory controllers will be shown and in most cases will not be desirable.
Things are the way they are and we can only find ways to work around them. If you don't have the money to hang with the big guns around here, don't expect the same numbers from a cpu that costs 1/4 of the price. If it ain't the real thing then it's probably not the best. We can all argue that I'm just speculating, but from my experience, those having problems with 2x512 or 2x1gb ram can send them to someone not having problems and voila problem solved....but wait....is it? Not really, because all we found is that the ram wasn't the problem and where do we go next.... a different brand? .... a downgrade to 2x256 because your memory controller can handle it? Fact is you still didn't fix the problem all you are doing in these cases is avoiding the problem. And avoiding the problem only covers it up until it resurfaces again.
Sorry for the long post but I guess sometimes the table needs to be set before people actually think that dinner is ready.
Why am I happy to move from Mushkin back to OCZ?
Answer is bellow.
Board: Ultra-D
Bios: 623-3
Slots: Yellow
In DRAM Configuration Section of Genie BIOS:
200
enable
3.0
03
08
02
8
14
02
02
02
03
4708
auto
enabled
auto
0
level 6
auto
auto
DRAM Response Time: Fast
auto
256
disable
16
07
disable
In Genie Bios:
285
auto
16 16
7
100
disable
1.500
1.30v
above VID * 123
1.30v
1.70v
2.8v
Disable
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:yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes:
I had to lower the multi to 7 cause my memory controler could not take 2Gb @ 285x9.
One of the sticks does 290 htt prime stable but the "bad" one is stuck @ 285 so this will be the most I can get from them.
If I could loose some of the timmings I might reach 300 htt. Anyone has any ideas?
Can u 3d bench them at that speed though?
Try 3dmark 2001 se or see if you can game with them that high?
Those are the EB not the ELs?
This are
OCZ EB DDR PC-4000 2x1024MB Platinum Edition Dual Channel Kit
I will test 3d mark 2005 as I get home tonight.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Radelon
Well put and I whole heartedly agree Radelon. :toast:
sure will soon... playing with 2x Opteron 144 CABYE 0536 GPMW right now figuring them out, then have 2x Opteron 146 CABYE 0540 FPBW coming todayQuote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
will whip in my 2x1GB OCZ PC4000EB sticks once i figure the cpus out :)
so far opteron 144 mem controllers are pretty similar to my FX-57 0516 WPMW - but still not as good as FX-57 mem controller clocks about same but ram such as TCCD and BH-5 need slightly loose advance timings on DFI NF4 UT SLI-DR compared to FX-57
but still opteron 144 mem controller is better than 3700/4000+ sandies i tested and way better than mem controller on venice/winchester cpus for winbond BH-5 and TCCD ram at least
with opteron 144's might have to see how 2GB OCZ PC4000EB handles dividers due to low 9x cpu multiplier :)
Guys I just need to make a point about our kits and the guys who i have posting info for you.
I instructed all our guys to prove the modules are 3d stable, this is VERY IMPORTANT as the modules will run super pi a lot higher than they will 3d benches.
So if you are looking to compare products please make sure you see 3d stable and not just a 32m pi screenie...that is not a sure way to sshow they are stable.
As mentioned in this thread a 2gig kit is quite a load on the memory controller and 3d does seem a lot more stressfull than Pi.
I wub you :DQuote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
Okay, here is my 3D Mark 05
http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/4...mark2759ag.jpg I had to lower from 285 to 275 so my CPU can handle.
Still a DAMN good stable 3D clock
Good work!Quote:
Originally Posted by MonkSP
This might be a silly question, but it came to me in the shower haha
Has anyone tried 3D benchin in windows 64bit? Or would that not matter whatsoever and I am a complete newb. I don't know if x64 is more stable for overclocking or not, just a shower thought
Actually Mike its less overclock friendly.....You actually have to clock down to get stable in 64bit. I have not run it myself, but have helped customers that can't clock the way they used to in 32bit.
BTW my earlier SS of 272 with 3D01...I forgot A64 tweaker...so here is 3D03 at 272 with A64 tweaker open :)
http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/4...d2723eg.th.png
not sure if I posted this yet, but here is 3d stable at 270x10. Don't mind the score as my vid card is not tweaked for this run. Just proving the clocks.
Mikal, my bench is @ windows 64 bits. This is the reason my CPU could not handle my 285 superpi stable. Check right bottom of picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikalCarbine
LikwidKool, my problem is indeed my CPU since it cannot handle 2Gb with multiplier @ 9 since its a 3000+. If I only had an opteron I would teach how to bench this @ 285 x 10 :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by LikwidKool
Didn't even notice the big logo :P
I just memtested in windows two instances using 800 and got to about 2700% on each just to make sure my system is stable at 250x10 (Was worried about my mem controller due to my last RMA) And 3D03/05 is fine, and my SI-120 came in yesterday :banana:
Radelon, I just remembered how you said you figured your ram out, how exactly did you do this (or what setting it was), just want to get some ideas for when I dive in :)
After two weeks I have to RMA my pairs of OCZ PC4000 EB Platinum.
I have been running theme at HHT 255 3-3-2-7 @ 2,65v. 1T 100% stable.
*Running theme on my AMD system, not on the intel, (sig.)
It all started yesterday with random bluescreens running BF2. After some minutes I couldn`t get into windows.
Memtest gave me 15 000 errors, even at default speeds. It sucks :mad:
What test numbers are the errors in Nightprowler?
The first one, 5 and 8.
Interesting, mine were in 2,3,4 and 6 if i can remember right, before RMAing
Edit:
Ok I am in the process of overclocking, I am at 260HTT and when I boot, the graphic drivers do not load... I am on the same reso, but the monitor position has been reset and under display properties it says [Default Monitor] on nothing. When rebooting I get a BSOD that says Driver_IRQL_Not_Less_or_Equal for usbohci.sys
I heard from some forum that switching the USB jumpers from 1-2 to 2-3 will help with USB issues, or is this issue from my ram?
Edit:
2.7 seemed to help it :toast:
But now, when I 3DM03, oh it runs, but it is LAGGY AS HELL, it'll show a frame, freeze then show another x amount of time later, any help?
Edit2:
Wow I am having ISSUES 255HTT is unstable 3D, I don't get how everyone can rip 280 like nothing with settings on auto and I can't even get past 255, I wish I had another CPU
i just got these sticks in today, and so far am very disappointed. They will run at stock speeds of 250 3-3-2-8 1T, but no matter what i do i cant get them game stable at 260. I feel like i have tried everything, but cant get em to be happy yet...
Update: They are stable at 255 it seems. Geez, all i need out of em is 260 to get back to my old OC!
Budwise, please pm me with your bios (dram and genie) settings including what bios you use at 250.
sent
i hope i dont end up regretting selling my Ballistix...
this is at 255
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...se/Timings.jpg
UPDATE: NM, they arent even game stable at 255... :(
Man, answering the pm cause the whole system to hang Budwise. Not sure whats up with it, but other forum works.
200Mhz
1T setting
3
3
8
2
14
16
3
3
3
3
AUTO for 200 3,9 in a64 tweaker
auto
enabled
auto
0
auto (ive tried Normal 3 and Normal 4 too)
Auto
8ns
normal
7ns
256
disable
16
04
disable
Lower the vcore and cpu speed when testing.
gave those settings a go and put my CPU down to 1.35Vcore and 8X multi, and still got the same problems. Gaming just goes to hell and i get freezes in the main menu of FEAR.Quote:
Originally Posted by mackanz
UPDATE: Just gave em a go at 260 3-3-3-8, and still the same issue. Even tried swapping to slots 2&4 rather than 1&3, still no help. If these cant even do 260, im puttin right up for sale...
Any chance you have a non-x2 cpu to test with?
nope... But my X2 handled 2X1GB Ballistix at 260 without issues... I got these for the tighter timings.Quote:
Originally Posted by mackanz
just tried em at 260 3-4-4-10, and still no go.
Well, they won't do much tighter than the ballistix you had..trp at 2..that's about it. Cas 2.5 up to 240 or so. Email me and we will sort it out for you :)
email in your inbox...Quote:
Originally Posted by mackanz
actually my X2 handled the Ballistix well into the 270's until i was CPU Limited cuz i didnt wanna put it up to 1.6Vcore...
Looks like its RMA time...
I have the same problem. Looks like there is certain compatibility issues with X2s and these modules. No particular pattern yet, but a few of us with X2s cant get high clocks with this ram. I havent heard anything back from OCZ about an RMA.
i just got my RMA number in email. Im going to send em off on Monday and be out of a computer for a week :( Im very disappointed with these so far, i hope the replacements do better. They pretty much wouldnt go 1Mhz over stock speeds, even at 3-4-4-10... Even when i underclocked my 3800 X2, still same results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
i was in the same boat - just had deal and i am running them @ 233mhz right now
For $340, im not going to just deal with it. Ive never ever had an issue with OCZ ram, up until now. Ive been using their ram for a few years and have turned a lot of people i know onto their ram.