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I also had trouble going over 265, and I was able to push to ~272 memtest stable for 20+ loops using the following settings.. you might want to try them! :)
Using these I get ~7100mb/s bandwidth in Sandra
Code:Freq 200 (1:1)
CPC Enable
Tcl 3
Trcd 4
Tras 8
Trp 3
Trc 7
Trfc 13
Trrd 2
Twr 2
Twtr 2
Trtw 3
Tref 3120
Twcl 1
Interleave Enable
DQS Skew Auto
Skew value 0
Drive Strength Auto
DD Strength Auto
Max Latency 7.0 ns
DRAM resp tm Fast
Read Preamble 6.0 ns
IdleCycle Lmt 256 cycles
Dynamic Ctr Enable
R/W Q bypass 16 X
Bypass Max 07 X
G.S Technician Hi,
Welcome to the USA and the Forum. I personally dont own any G.Skill yet, but if your company is making a great effort putting someone like you on the firing line you have my Respect and Interest. You mentioned free photo uploads. Ive tried a few and the best luck Ive had so far is Photobucket. If these Ballistix I have dont work out, then maybe G.Skill will. :) OMG, I just saw the Date on the first Post hahahaha.
Good Luck.
Hi, I've also recently got a set of HZ's and I'm also having problems getting it to pass memtest at anything over 265mhz, been over on kakarotos thread and tried quite a few different vdimm settings but to no avail :(
I had high hopes for this ram as I've seen quite a few people get near to 300mhz, all I want is 270 stable.
these are my past posts to fill you in...
I really appreciate any help :)Quote:
Originally Posted by hesky
Thanks, I tried your settings @1:1 240 would boot 2.5v.Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckMan212
Then tried @245 2.5v/2.7v/2.8v would crash loading into windows.
I'll stick these settings. My memory is gaming stable @265 2.5v 3448 9/10 divider. I was able to run SuperPI 32m @270 3448 which was posted couple of months ago.
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7033/dsc028173hd.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1...etting20pq.jpg
superPi 1m @275 2.5v
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/1...i1m30397mi.png
that's a nice 165 you got there! 2750 at stock volts! :toast:
what stepping?
CCBWE 0550 UPMW 1.4125 vcore is close to stock which is 1.35v.Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckMan212
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/1562/cpupic8bi.jpg
I used clockgen to reach 2806 Mhz at 1.4125v. The highest speed it boots into windows is 2700 Mhz 300htt, but 24/7 stable at that speed. http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2...1m302030rs.png
I only get to 256 Mhz (STABLE) with this memory :(
Can it be the memory controller on my (OLD) CPU (Winchester) ?
it might be somewaht relatedQuote:
Originally Posted by 3r4s3r
What about these settings in BIOS, which do you use?
- DRAM Drive Strength (Level 1-8)
- DRAM Data Drive Strength (Level 1-4)
- DRAM Response Time (Normal, Fast, Fastest)
I was used to pick Drive Strenght @ Level 7 and Data Drive Strength @ Level 2 for Samsung TCCD. But I don't know which is "most recommended" for these G.Skill DDR500 2GBHZ as they are Samsing UCCC.
Response Time I never changed, always set to Normal...
Which Ultra -d bios for a new Opteron 165 and HZ install
704-2Bta is the best
Hi guys
First Post Here :)
Get my pair of these mems a couple of days ago and test a little
Got DDR590@2.76v But not stable
DDR560@2,56 3-4-4-8 Stable
DDR550@2.52 3-4-3-7 Stable
Pic of DDR590 and some of another testes in Everest
I'm a brasilian guy, so, where u see "Escrita"=Write, "Leitura"=Read and ''Latência"=Latency :p
http://photobucket.com/albums/y93/gu...illDDR5902.jpg
Some advice to use it whit my opty 144 ang get the most stable performance? Div 10 should be best for me, but 144 multi 9 sucks couse my opty does 2800Mhz vcore default, but 9x280@200Divider (poor performance for my max mhz) versus 9x312@183Divider (Cant get sability on this :confused: ) versus 9x343@166Divider (where i get 280FSB but the opty cant reach it stable.
Anyone whit a opty 144 and this mems to get me a little help??
THX :)
looks very nice to me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GueD'S
HI, I have 2x 1gb APACER UCCC 2.60v and I dont know if it its working normal at the moment. Can someone tell me the right timeings so that I can make the CPU to work on 3.0GHz http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ram7lq.jpg
bump
why bump :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grinch
Quote:
Originally Posted by G.S Technician
so I could subscribe to post...also wanted to know what you are stting tref value to,to get 100mhz 1.95?
3684 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grinch
thx that's what I thought but was not sure...am able to run at 280 1:1...:woot:
hey all,
just got my HZ a week ago now, and am quite happy with the performance.
so far have got it to 265mhz 3-4-4-8 1T @ 2.7v, running 1:1 (memtest stable). this is fine.
but unfortunately, when restarting my PC (or when powering on again after shutting it down), 9 times out of 10 the CPU multi has set itself to x5. this is no fun lol.
i have to enter the bios every time i power my PC on, and set the multi back to 11. even then, the system wont post and i have to reset and do the same again before it will post at the correct speed (weird, huh?!)
i did not have this problem with my old ram, which was 2x512 of Corsair XMS 2700 LL, and has only come since i upgraded to the HZ (some upgrade lol, DDR333 = eugh).
ive been following this thread for a while now and have read it all, and so far it appears noone has run into this problem. has anyone heard of or experienced anything like this before, or can suggest a solution?
cheers guys,
ER
(mainboard is Ultra-D and CPU is 3800 venice if this helps. running 260x11, 1:1, HTT x3).
i LIVE MY STICKS!
I hit 2.9Ghz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cpu multi auto set back to x5?Quote:
Originally Posted by etherealrhythm
yeah :(.
Hi all, this is my first post here.:woot:
I think you have a power problem:explode2:
What power supply you have ?
My friend got the same problem as you, e has a 300W power supply and is PC always started at lower clocks.
I change is PS with an 400w and :banana: :woot:
My HZ are at this moment at 250Mhz 3-4-3-8 2.6v
I start at 3-3-3-8 2.6v, but i got 2 errors on memtest (Test3):p:
I need to check this out, some help to get that chip at 250Mhz 3-3-3-8 please? :stick:
Hey! Welcome to the forums my friend.
i have a 600W Fortron , so i dont think its PSU. plus it only started since i swapped out the XMS for the HZ. maybe a bios issue or something? G.S tech, any ideas?
it just weird!Quote:
Originally Posted by etherealrhythm
i never hared multi auto back to 5....
i have no idea how to fix it
does it happy with other ram too?
nope. just since i swapped out the corsair for the HZ its started happening. anyone else have a clue?
ur avatar scares me........Quote:
Originally Posted by etherealrhythm
kidding, just weird to see, what mobo you use?
Quote:
Originally Posted by etherealrhythm
Why dont u try to update your bios or just flash the same u r using, may solve. I had a problem but not same yours, that my bios got crazy, didnt know if it "corrupted" (this word exists in english??? :eh: ), but when i boot the windows imediately i flash the same one i was using, done, solve my issue, so, why not try it if u didnt yet??
just bought a pair of these sticks. Encountering a very weird problem with this RAM where 3-4-4-8-1T at 265 passes memtest but the same timings produce a ton of errors in memtest at 250. The sticks also run extremely hot so just wondering if anybody else see the same issues, this is also with the case open.
-dan
try to lower the voltage and seeQuote:
Originally Posted by freddy418
and check out the air flow of your case!
voltage is at 2.6, 2.5 it fails everything. And the case cover is open, so outside air is flowing pretty freely through this thing.
-dan
would like to know what motherboard you use?Quote:
Originally Posted by freddy418
uccc should not run very hot tho
foxconn 6150k8ma
here's a pic of 2 hours of memtest at 265, weirdest ram I've ever encountered.
http://www.rpi.edu/~dengd/UCCC1.jpg
I ram memtest for 16 hours, just cause I could, no errors.
just wrapped up all the necessary testing of my kit. One module is good up to 280 at 2.6, the other one is good up to 265. G.Skill made a good product, but I still want to cry.
-dan
after a month of a billion settings, im still unable to get my HZ's past 265. im starting to think it might not be my HZ, but maybe my CPU? i hear the memory controller on my CAB2E isnt that great :(
Has anybody tested this G-Skill PC4400 HZ memory already on a DFI Lanparty nF3 UT 250GB motherboard :confused:
Do they get nice results :confused:
Quote:
Originally Posted by blazin-asian
they arent that great for subzero but they do fine on air from my experience with them
How come my HZ shows up in CPU-Z as 3-5-5-10 instead of 3-4-4-8?
Well it's just how they are labeled. anyhow at least you know you have a new set of ram.. The older ones had an SPD listing of 3-4-4-8. So there is a good chance your ram will clock a little higher then 265... :D
In which tab do you see those timings ?Quote:
Originally Posted by kianwee
The SPD-tab shows me too slower settings,.. it's just something which is programmed into a chip on your memory-module.
For example,.. mine is labeled on the outside 2-2-2-5 200Mhz.,..
cpu-Z in the SPD tab shows me 2,5-4-4-8 200Mhz.
with SPD 250 3-4-4-8, mobo will auto pick up as 3-3-3-6 and causing problem for those non-overclocker.
SPD is just for mobo to see, not for user!
hi,I have this memories and i want to put on 280mhz,what timings can i put?? and the voltage??
Thank:slap:
sorry for my bad english :( i am spanish and i dont know very well the english
I am a little confused as to what determines stable OC'ing of this RAM.
I quote G.S Technician here from 02/14/2006 - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...0&postcount=24
I have been using two instances (set to 900MB each) of memtest ( by HCI Design ) for testing the max I can get from my 2GBHz's. I get no errors at 272 FSB running at 1:1 and 3-4-4-8. Ofcourse, since I am only testing the max RAM, the CPU multi is at 7 and the LDT is at 3. Above 272 FSB, I start to get an error in one of the instances of windows memtest.Quote:
hummm there are a good way to test it!
1. lower your CPU to 250 * 7 or 8 with the setting you have
2. start sp2004 large test or prime95 large test or memtest windows version
3. start clockgen
4. using clockgen to increase the FSB 251, 252, 253, until your test show error
5. restart your computer and increase .03v
6. repeate 1 to 4 again, if no big FSB increases, go to next step 7
7. lower about 5 FSB and do the full tests
this is my ultimate max memory overclock theory testing!
Now, I noticed that not a single screenshot of results posted by others in this forum show memtest instances. So I thought I would run two instances of Prime 95 OR SP2004 OR Super PI 32M . Well I can run those just fine at the same FSB's that the one of the memtest instances in windows gives me an error. I also noticed that the Large tests and the Super Pi tests are not really stressing the memory like two instances of memtest do.
My question is, is the method of running two instances of memtest to test stability of memory overclock valid? Or are the Prime 95 / SP2004 Large Tests enough to assume stability at a particular frequency since I do not see any screenshots for memtest instances in these posts? Please advise.
Can you post a screenie of a64 tweaker, DS/DDS and Vdimm please? :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by midisam775
y put this mems at 280 mhz at 2.7v but when i pass the memtest and the sp2004,the test failed,can i do something to stabilice that?? :toast:
I got this ram on friday and so far its been a pain. I manage to get it stable at 265 with 9 hr prime. When I put my multiplier back up it refuses to stay stable. Now I'm trying to use dividers and none of them will work, most of them won't boot. Any clue what I can do to make them work with dividers?
Hello, I have just ordered this ram yesterday it should be here in 2 days from newegg, i just wanted to know from my specs below what is the best setting to run this ram for maximum potential and best overclocking results, Thanks..
Hey, my friend owns these sticks and I've heard that UCCC burns in(forget where though), so he primed and failed at 12 hours @ 280 2.56vDimm, so I told him to keep priming, then it failed at 25 hours, he is going to repeat this and see if it fails at a higher hour, this seems like some good proof that UCCC burns in, but can anyone verify this?
Anyone :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by |2A|N
Well, I got my ram 2 days ago and it has been a headache every since.
I put the ram in, at stock speeds and voltages, and immediately had trouble installing windows. Finally got windows installed but half of my hardware wouldn't work and couldn't be correctly installed. Reformatted HD and ran memtest and I got error after error. I then switched out the GSkill for Corsair value select and ran memtest and got 0 errors after 9 passes.
So I sent the ram back to Newegg and hopefully the next set will work.
I also noticed that when I got the ram it had fingerprints all over it and the contacts, fingers?, had seen some use so maybe I got someone elses RMA.
Anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by cloud_171
cloud_171: I think you might want to start by posting more information about your system and the settings you are using for your RAM such as VDIMM, all memory timings, divider, etc.
That goes for most of you here who are asking for ultimate timings without providing enough/any information for the experts and other users to help.
macg, you asked me the following:
I'll post when I have completed all my testing and everything is stable. :)Quote:
Can you post a screenie of a64 tweaker, DS/DDS and Vdimm please?
Quote:
Originally Posted by |2A|N
Ok im having unstable windows @ default ram speed lowered multi from 13x to 10x250 lowered 5xHt to 3XHT 2.6vdim 1.6vcore fail memtest first test and unstable what am i doing wrong? Specs in sig..
Will someone please explain why im failing all my tests such as SuperPI i fail Prime95 and Memtest within 10 seconds please.
Here is link to picture below was to big to post here.
http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=grrr7bh.jpg
Set MAL to 9
RP to 7
TRC to 15
TRFC to 17
choose auto/auto for DS/DDS
and 2.6v vdimm Bios setting
That should be good enough :)
Got my new gksill kit but I seem to be stuck at 260 max when trying to overclock. Anything over that and it fails memtest at 40% every time.
My setup:
DFI LanpartyUT nF4 Ultra-D
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800 at 2.6 ghz
G.SKILL Extreme Series 2GB (2 x 1GB)
Evercool chipset fan
SI 120 Heat Sink with NEUXS 120 mm Fan
PWMIC Fan (stock fan from the 3800x2)
BFG 7800 GT OC
X-FI Xtreme Music
Hitachi 80gb Deskstar, SATA II
Maxtor SATA I 165 gb
Plain jane dvd player
OCZ Powerstream 520
Ideally, I'd like to get back to 2.7 or even 2.8. Any help on memory settings for this kind of setup would be appreciated..I just seem to be stuck.
Also, for whatever reason, it also crashes out even when I knock it down to a 180 divider and try 2.7 :(
help?
Well, here i got 270Mhz 2.6v @ 3-4-3-6 1T
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9...034361t2lx.jpg
I pass more than 6 time Memtest with those set.
In the pic there is only 1test pass because that was the only picture a have taken :woot:
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/6...t270mhz8xj.jpg
Thats Super PI 32M with those set :banana: :banana: :banana:
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/5...034361t7jk.jpg
And that was my objective test, get 7000MB/s :toast:
Thats the way i use my PC:
G-Skill HZ 200Mhz @ 2.5-3-3-5 1T 2.6v
G-Skill HZ 250Mhz @ 3-4-3-6 1T 2.6v
G-Skill HZ 270Mhz @ 3-4-3-6 1T 2.6v
That's interesting Counter... Now this is prime stable also?
I don´t have time too teste Prime. To much work and don´t have the time to do certain things :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by BioVader
How much time i have to run Prime to say thats stable :confused:
At least 24hrs dual prime stable. :fact:
Well they finally fixed CPU-Z to read my cpu correctly. Here are my latest results. :cool:
this RAM is looking better and better
and its getting cheaper.
I just ordered a kit, might get a second if it turns out good
Has anybody over here already tested this 2 x1Gb G-Skill HZ's on an ASRock 939SLI32-eSATA2 board yet :confused:
This rather new ASRock budget-board seems to perform quite well,.. especially when you do all the mod's.
I'm asking because I'm planning to buy me one perhaps ;)
Check out which motherboard I'm talking about;
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...39SLI32-eSATA2
http://www.ocworkbench.com/2006/asro...-eSATA2/g1.htm
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2706
Most of this thread is about Ultra D settings ;)
I have the plain Dual Sata II w/these chips-- had them for about three or four months now.
(The latest bios fixes the 1T issue, for me anyway.)
My results are similar to most of the recent posters-- 260 1T /270 2T is the max for my kit. I really wanted 280 1:1 but it ain't happening.
5.3mb/s at stock, 7.2mb/s with overclocks and A64 tweaker is good enough, however. =p
These things are good, and very cheap.
Right now I'm running them DDR 500 3-3-3-7 @2.5v. Seems stable but haven't primed them.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rhalle
Could you post a cpu-z screeny, I'd like to see what you have running in your rig.
Bought these about 6-8 weeks ago from newegg, have trouble getting them stable even at 255MHz.
Works perfect!
270 is no problem thx to the G.S Technician :)
K just bought these 2GBHZ (0603) to replace the 3rd set of Crucial Z503's that have died on this Neo2
265, 3,4,4,8,1T 2.7V - no tweaks, just upped the FSB - BF2 STABLE!!!!!
the Z503's did 265 3,3,3,8,2T 2.8V until they died (they didn't want to post at 1T ever), so K R happy =D
will start tweaking for more soon
Thats not 270mhz 2T, it´s 270mhz 1T 3-4-3-6 2.6v very stable :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by rhalle
Hi Counter CS,
Same here. I also have mine running 270 at 2.6v 3,4,3,6 1T
but I think the rest of my setup is holding them back as i'm still using a Neo2.
I would use my Mach II but I can't afford to replace anything if I blow it up.
So for the time being I'll stick to air cooling and lower clocks, It's more than adequate for what I use it for. The GSkill HZ memory is faultless and good value for the money.
Yes, I know. For me, however, 260 1T is the best I can do. 275 2T is the max for my particular kit/board. My rather spartan bios probably has something to do with it, although my RAM is operating pretty closely with everyone elses. :slapass: :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Counter CS
My new HZ :D
DFI Lanparty Ultra-D ( bios 704-2BT-BigToe Mod )
HZ in the yellow slot @ 2.6 volt
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8718/hz25hh.jpg
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/6922/hz34gd.jpg
Can you show your A64 tweaker screeny, and your settings???
:banana: Awsome, but you lost some performance, i can get 27s P1 1M at 275Mhz 11x275Mhz 3-4-4-8 1T 2.6v
screen A64 tweaker
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7264/a645dp.jpg
@fabry
nice set you got there:up:
Why idle cycle 16clks ?
What do you use for:
DQS Skew control ?DQS Skew Value ?Dram Drive strenght ?
I can't get my HZ:s higher than 262MHz on loose timings (actually 260-261 if I want to absolutely no errors :P )... I was looking for these to go onto higher MHz but i guess not. T2 doesn't give anymore herzes than T1. I am using 704-bta2 -bios. If i put FSB to 263 the memtest86 throws thousands of errors on test #5. I am not a master of these memory settings, but I've tried so many diffent settings :( I've tried different voltages too. I'll post a bios-screen of my current mem-timings later.
edit: These sticks were made in mid-april or something like that.
Help GS tech!!!Uh, just a quick question concerning the HZ,s
Are they Intel compatible?(875P 865PE) I seem to remember I read that they were somewhere in this forum,but I can't seem to find it now. been searching for days with no results.I bought them on a friend's credit card and away from my computer in hicksville.They have gone up $10. in the time I looked and ordered them at Newegg.(dumb of me I know) and no way to test em till I get home.(none of the local shops have anything that can handle ddr,just pc 133)
This is the best i can do for now..:(
My target is 280 1:1 but i feel is hard to reach it...
http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=395977
Try twtr 2 ,this should improve stability :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dagalidis
Have you tried run Memtest86 ?
:slapass: Edit: man you post in the wrong thread !!!
You and adidassler posted here SS of other memory kit :slap:
No luck with twtr.Quote:
Originally Posted by Counter CS
Probably this is my wall...:(
http://www.thelab.gr/attachment.php?s=&postid=396199
Wait a moment, are sure you have G-skill HZ ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dagalidis
WTF, 2.5-4-3-8 , is this at 1T ?»
Change to 3-4-3-8
Yes i have GSKILL HZ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Counter CS
If i relax timmings the only gain i get is about 3mhz :confused:
Yes i know its strange but this is the way my ram acting.
I have the latest BIOS from DFI for my new DFI SLI DR board (Need to fix my signature again) :D
Well guyz, it seems as if my ram is hitting a max of 250-255 also =( I Was hoping for 270-280 grrrrrr.
Anyways I have a Venice week 17 @ 2.5ghz 1.5v in a shuttle SN95G5v3
Below is a screenshot, I have control over basic timings in BIOS...the rest are autodetected and Im trying to find the good combination of the other timings to adjust in windows. If you guyz have any suggestions for my timings to get higher, please post.
Thanks =)
Dram data drive strenght to L1 50%
Trwt 3
Twtr 2
Trrd 3
R/R QB 16x
Bypass mas 07x
Try that :fact:
I just got a 2GBHZ set and I'm having trouble getting them stable at 250MHz (let alone running them faster). They usually fail at the end of the #5 test on MemTest. I have a DFI NF4 Ultra-D BTW.
I used the bios settings on this thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=95044
I tried with 2.6v and 2.7v. Did I just get a bad set or is there anything else that can be causing the problem?
BTW, my rig is 54hrs Prime stable at 295x9 at stock vcore with a generic 2GB kit (that I already sold so I need to make this new set work). I also did a 24hrs Prime run at 300x9 at 1.45v so it seems my CPU is good.
Can anyone help me? I got to get my system working as soon as possible to crunch for Rosetta.
Thanks!
orange slot? i guess so!Quote:
Originally Posted by Daved+
try 7-3
clear your bios and do it again and see
Thanks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by guess2098
What do you mean with 7-3? Sorry, I haven't slept much last night, I was so pissed off with this set :(
I'm using the 704-2BTA BIOS.
That bios rev. was never stable for me on my SLI-DR if the timings don't work for you try using the latest official bios or the 623-3 bios. My set ran great up to 275mhz on the 623 bios but the ones you're using wouldn't even boot with the exact same settings. I had to relax my timings quite a bit to get it to boot into windows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daved+
Guys, do you know if is there any difference between 0605 and 0604?
Thanks.
i meant dram level set 7-3 is good or 7-2Quote:
Originally Posted by Daved+
bios to me is using 623-1 or 702-1
My pair is not doing very well.
I have reached FSB274 with one of the sticks (they are 0601s), but the other seems to top at only fsb257 :(:(
Settings 3-4-4-8-7-14-2-2-2-3-3684-1-DD7-DS2-8ns-7ns
tried voltajes from 2,5 to 2,83v best seems between 2,65-2,75
Tried loosening timings gradually to 3-4-4-8-12-18-3-3-2-4-3684-1-7-2-11ns-6,5ns
tried dd-ds 8/2, 8/3, 8/4, 7/3, 7/2, 5/3, 5/2, 3/3, 3/2, 6/3, 6/2....
Only tested in orange slots.. there were a tccd on them before the HZs at FSB305, so they are good slots xDDDDDD
I think I'm using latest oficial BIOS (was from april?? )
Any idea or directly I look for another pair.
salu2.
I'm in the same boat, one of them is weak and will give me errors on #5 memtest, the other one seems to be strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave338
Try with the yellow slots, it seems they work better with these sticks.
Saludos.
Tested yesterday, about same behaviour... The "bad" module fails SP2004 in two minutes at 265, and lasts a bit more at 260.
Finally working at 244x11 3-4-3-8 until I get another pair.
I need a pair that does 268 to clock the CPU at is best
salu2.
So we are in the same boat... What year/week are they? (first 4 digits on the serial number, like 0606)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave338
Where are you getting them from?