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Originally Posted by YanBooth
The DFI Smart Guardian (it's on the DFI CD that came with the motherboard).
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Originally Posted by YanBooth
The DFI Smart Guardian (it's on the DFI CD that came with the motherboard).
2750 MHz @ 1.488V @ 48°C peak-load (2x Prime95 v24.13, 1h)Quote:
Originally Posted by Charloz24
2805 MHz @ 1.536V @ 54°C peak-load (2x Prime95 v24.13, 1h)
Temperatures are way too high for more OC. I am quite sure that the heatspreader is holding me back.
Got 28°C idle with 2.8@1.5 and 54°C peak-load dual-P95. That's more than 25K delta!
I'll need to cut the HS off for higher clocks and more juice. My SanDiego's had 15-20°C delta under load with HS and only 8-10K delta load without HS. I suppose my X2 will only have 10-13K delta load without HS.
Martin
Martin, removing the IHS may or may not provide the temp drop you're looking for. The simple fact is that these X2s run about 5-10C higher than single-cores at similar speeds/voltages. I have been loading mine at 2.7GHz with 1.55V for two weeks now, and the temps range from 59C-64C, but the machine runs solid.
Mine 4400+ doesnt like very much high HTT,iam running it at 270x11 1.525*1.04 using a modded Prometeia Mach I.........
CCBWE 0522TPMW
1266148F50193
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=33892&stc=1
looks nice, is it stable at that speed? cinebench?
Yes its rock stable iam running 2x folding clients for 2 days now with no errors.....
that's really nice, going for 3GHz soon?
Would you mind running CineBench, if you find time that is ;)
Damn that makes me wanna have a X2, AMD bring them damn 3800+ now !! :D
hehe, no more venice for you? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by sai
I Love my X2.........:slap:
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/666...52248114ru.jpg
God I hate it, the chip here is a sucker in my eyes. Let's hope at least it doesn't have probs with my Mach2. I'm hoping for 3050mhz stable. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by lv_88
@lv_88 requested cinebench.........
@sai I can run it at 3020 but the prometeia with R404 can't handle the load because for only 50MHz from 2970 to 3020 needs 1.65V from 1.575............
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=33895&stc=1
those results are really good to me, thx for running it ;)
Sai: hehe, good luck ;)
so which oc better the 4200+ or the 4400+?
wasn't talking to you :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by ThorLite
LOL sorry read first--->post after......:slap: :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by sai
4200.Quote:
Originally Posted by DevilsRejection
lil biased since you have a 4200+ no?Quote:
Originally Posted by terror_adagio
I'd say it no matter which X2 I had.
So far from users who I know who have X2s, the 4200s are OC a bit more than the 4400.
how high do the 4400's go? I'm looking to hit your speed.
I doubt it......... :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by terror_adagio
.... if that's the case, you're still giving up the cache aren't ya. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by terror_adagio
The 4400's seem to be doing 'bout 2.6 to 2.65 depending on cooling ........ The 4800's are doing 2.7 to 2.8. The premium price paid for the 4800 is pretty ridiculous for a 100MHz clock increase..... And damn! I own one..... :p: :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by DevilsRejection
ok well my goal is 11x240 with a 166 Mhz divider give me 2640 Mhz. I hope to god I can do it.
If I can then after a week of burning in I will try 9x300 with a 133 Mhz divider hehe. 2700 Mhz out of that bad boy would be very very cool.
That depends if the 4200 becomes memory bandwidth limited before the 4400 does when running dual bandwidth heavy tasks.Quote:
Originally Posted by pcdoc1
In reality overclocking these beasts is more reliant on memory bandwidth than ever..
If you can't get the bandwidth up then the cache is more benifit than pure core speed as the faster core will be stalled more often.
That's the reason why I am quite sure that removing the HS will result in much better OC.Quote:
Originally Posted by p0tempkin
Removing HS won't give any advantages and only slightly lower temperatures at low clocks with low volts. But the higher voltage and clock goes, the higher the heat output of the core and the higher the isolating effect of the heatspreader.
Got a 3700+ Sandy running very nice at low voltages until 2700 MHz. However, 2800 MHz needed 1.64V and temperatures were very high (~50°C). Cutting the HS off resulted in 2800 MHz @ 1.53V rockstable and only 38°C load. Maxed out without HS at 2950 MHz @ 1.66V. However, I have to admit that this one had a really worse mounted HS.
Anyway, X2's naturally generate more heat than single-cores so that's why they need better cooling. And removing HS will give massive improvement, I think.
My IHS is off of my 4800+ and temps are in the mid to high 30's at 2900 but I never tried it with the spreader, so I don't know how many deg it saved, but 99% of the time the temps will be lower without the spreader on any cpu.
Well, 35-40°C sound amazing w/o heatspreader! Do you have some pictures of the "naked" X2 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
2900 MHz 2x Prime95 v24.13 stable? What voltage?
Some guys wanted to see Cinebench:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/xxmartin99/...bench_2805.jpg
:D
Well i keep getting random reboots on my 4400+
i have been using x4 HTT at 240-250 on my mushkin redline, speeds ranging from 2640-2750, ive dropped down to 240x10.5 and it seems stable.
i dont know if you guys can tell if im missing something?
volts are
1.63 core
1.28 LDT
1.58 N bridge
i am watercooled and even though its been hot here in the UK for the last few days core temps are not going over 42 under load. idle they are about 32-34
PWMIC temps goto around the 50-52 mark and chipset 44-46
i need my system to be up 24/7 but obviously want it clocked to the maximum stababilty ( is that even a word? :( )
1.62v (Water Storm G5)Quote:
Originally Posted by xxmartin
Cache isn't a big deal. Its about 1-2 percent, real-world.Quote:
Originally Posted by pcdoc1
I'll take the lower latency and higher overclock for CPU/memory any day.
Is anybody having stability issues with X2? I've switched motherboards, RAMs, graphics card, power supplies, sound cards, etc. and I still can't get rid of the freezing issue. It will freeze very randomly, sometimes hours later, sometimes mins later. This is driving me absolutely crazy, and costing me alot of money. :(
Are we talking bluescreen and MACHINE_CHECK exception?Quote:
Originally Posted by h4nc0
I upped my voltage a notch and it's more stable.
Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
Wow, that baby is real fat. What a large die :slobber: ...
And there are a lot more of those little IC's around the core. I'll have to be very careful to avoid damaging them.
2.9@1.6 - very nice. Seems quite the same what my X2 would be capable of (still 2.8@1.5).
Had this issue only twice while too high overclocking. The necessary reset took my DFI nF4 SLI-D in long beeping illness (3/4 led's red -> no RAM detected). Only disconnecting from power and remounting the cooler solved it. Dunno what was wrong there.Quote:
Originally Posted by h4nc0
No, I am talking about 2D desktop screen freezing. ALT-TAB works, and mouse pointer works, for a while after the screen freezes. And a bit later, everything freezes completely.
Are you overclocking?Quote:
Originally Posted by h4nc0
Nope. Stock speed. :mad:
What cooling?Quote:
Originally Posted by h4nc0
Try to remount the heatsink. Also try to tighten the screws with different forces.
Memory amount, type, and speed? How much is your power supply?Quote:
Originally Posted by h4nc0
EXOS watercooling. CPU temp is about 37C. 33C at under water block right by CPU. I've tried both Corsair PC4400 512MB module (2) and Hynix PC3200 1GB module (2). They all have the same problem. Tried Antec 430W. Using Antec 550W now. Also tried running both at the same time (many different combination). Tried both Geforce 6800GT and Ti4200. Same problem. Tried MSI Neo2 Platinum and A8V Deluxe. Both same problem. Running 4 SATA drives. 2x 36GB Raptors. 2x 250GB Hitachi's. No overclock. Re-installed Windows XP SP2 multiple times to make sure. Running Forceware 77.72 and also tried 8X.XX beta. (can't remember which it was)
I honestly don't know what it could be. Maybe bad CPU. Not had one single problem here, only time my system locked up is when I knew I was pushing it too far.
terror, what stepping is your CPU? And are you going to try for a max overclock?
You just isolated the problem to the CPU. Time for a RMA
Stepping 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by p0tempkin
I haven't reached its max yet, currently running 4x512 @ 2.5-3-3-6 2T. I am getting some brand new OCZ EL Platinum 2x1024 soon, so I'll have 1T and definitely be able to push it even more. I hope to reach 250-255x11 @ 1T, will probably need some more volts, but I think its reachable.
yeah, I just went to the AMD distributor to drop off my X2. They will give me a call tomorrow and let me know what's up with my CPU. :q
Funny thing was, they ran Prime when I was there, and it failed after a few mns. Now if they don't give me a new CPU, I'd be really pissed off. :slobber:
If they don't give you a new one AMD should. AMD 408-749-3060Quote:
Originally Posted by h4nc0
Tested a 4200+ last night and it was a stinker.
CDBHE 0524RPAW
Did 2.6GHz stable at 1.55V. Would not do 2.7GHz no matter what I tried; errored almost instantly in Prime95. It couldn't even do 2.4GHz at stock VCore.
It's going back. And I'll keep tweaking my 4400+ for now; still trying to get 2.7GHz stable but I don't think it will happen unless I get a better cooler or remove the IHS.
BTW, CPU-Z reported the revision as SH9-E4? Aren't they supposed to be SH9-E6, or is that only for the Toledos?
It's correct, 4200+ has 1MB L2, it's Manchester core.
Toledo has 2MB L2.
That's correct. Manchester is E4, Toledo is E6.Quote:
Originally Posted by p0tempkin
Sorry to just drop in for my 1st post, but i'm just about to buy 1 x2 4800+. :D
The question that's bugging my mind is about the cooling! :confused:
I'm pretty much decided on getting a Mach II GT, but i can't seem to find any info (or just probably didn't look hard enough :p: ) about the extreme cooling on these monsters!
I just wanna know if there's something of a cold bug with them, or if anybody have tried it out yet! :hrhr:
Any info?! :rolleyes:
EDIT: Just about the Mach, GT or ST?!
Does anyone think that a 4400+ would have a problem getting to 2.5ghz on SILENT air? I'm wanting to buy a Scythe ninja (or the new Zalman) and put it in a P180 for a silent, fast setup that I don't have to touch for about 2 years or so. :)
Someone is using the Scythe and his load temps are 43c or so (stock I believe) so I think it might be doable.
Most likely answer is yes :) Expect the temp to be slightly higher but anything under 55c on air in my book is fine... (hey, I am in S. Cali :p)Quote:
Originally Posted by novagamer
You did read MikeC's review of P180 right? It gives you some good tips and ideas for using P180 fan directions.
Yeah I read his review, really piqued my interest in the case. I'm sick of changing out hardware so often and botching boards due to condensation/vmodding so I really just want something slightly o/c'd, quiet (for once), and fast enough to last me about 2 years. I have open-air headphones so a loud pc really detracts from music for me; but then I am picky.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
Here is the thread where someone is cooling a 4600+ 'passively' (using case fans). I wouldn't be opposed to using a low speed 120mm fan on the heatsink, but quieter is better. Coming from a loud prometeia my current temporary system (P4 in an antec sonata) is virtually silent, and it's a welcome change :)
Thanks for your response!
It really depends on the chip you get, but I would say 2.5GHz would require about 1.5V from a really bad chip (and no extra voltage if you got a good one). Worst case scenario load temps would be around 50C on a Zalman 7700Cu with the fan at full tilt, but I would think the Ninja would cool with better efficiency with all those heatpipes.
I read the P180 review, and the best cooling setup had a 120mm fan on the heatsink in addition to the case fans. It wouldn't be such a bad idea to stick a Nexus or Panaflo on the Ninja at 5V...you would not be able to hear it, and it would drop the load temps a few degrees C.
I got a CDBHE 0515RPAW, guess I won't be OC'ing much then :(Quote:
Originally Posted by p0tempkin
Final results tested overnight with BIOS 704-3
NF4 Ultra D
4200x2 @2689MHz CPUZ LINK
OCZ Premier @ 192 (Ocz DDR 500 on RMA)
Air cooling stock HS FAN
1.6v
chip is 0521
Testing was with Systool Pi running 2 instances overnight, no errors.
Temps 54c at full load ambient 27c. I won't give it more voltage to go higher, I just don't have the cooling for it. However I do have a CPUZ at faster speed here FASTER but as I said, air on this thing sucks, I will be trying the pelt/water next.
Actually you won't know for sure. Yours is a week 15 and mine was a 24; vastly different in terms of how they could overclock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabouter
Do me a favor and tell me what revision your CPU is as reported by CPU-Z. As I suspected, 4200+ come in both SH9-E6 and SH9-E4 revisions, and I have a feeling that the latter revision sucks. My 4400+ is a SH9-E6 and it is doing 2.7GHz.
mine is SH9-E4 and it definitely doesn't "suck". I think it's a crap shoot no matter the stepping, week or anything else. With more volts I can go higher, I will just need to cool more with something other than stock air.
Hehe I'm not that experienced yet so don't fully understand the numbers :PQuote:
Originally Posted by p0tempkin
Anyway, I'll get round to installing it in a few days, still waiting for my XP-120 + papst fan and my case :P.
Finally looks like I got it stable at 2.7GHz! It took a LOT of tweaking. I posted a screenie earlier with it stable at 2.7GHz with Prime95 Small FFTs, but Large FFTs was erroring out. I updated to the 704-2 Beta BIOS, tweaked with it for a few days, and found a setting that both my CPU and memory seem to like.
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ (CCBWE 0517MPMW)
MOBO: DFI LanParty UT NF4 Ultra-D
BIOS: 704-2 Beta
COOLING: Zalman 7700-Cu @ 12V
MEMORY: Patriot 1GB (2x512MB) XBLK TCCD
PSU: Fortron 550W
CASE: None
FANS: Zalman 90mm @ 12V On Mosfets
http://www.oregonstate.edu/~dinsmorj/primestable.gif
E4 is Manchester, E6 is Toledo
Then what is this? Maybe it's a Toledochester? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by terror_adagio
????? did I miss something? That's a link to an E6
A mistake, as where is the E6 for the 4600 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by p0tempkin
Well they have two OPNs for the 4200+. One is E4 and one is E6. Only one OPN for the 4600+ (E4).Quote:
Originally Posted by terror_adagio
I just don't understand how this is possible, as the 4600 is also basically a 4200 (same core), so why would there be two revisions (and so soon)?Quote:
Originally Posted by p0tempkin
As far as I have known (ever since X2 was released) E4 was Manchester and E6 was Toledo.
Well I think you're probably right unless someone here comes forward with a screenie to prove otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by terror_adagio
IcyRocket has X2 4800+ on phase change. No cold bug (at least not until -50°C).Quote:
Originally Posted by BadBoyB
http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?t=137667
Well, 61°C is quite a lot. I guess you need high voltage because of high temps on air. Mine is running 2.7 GHz @ 1.43V dual-prime (v24.13) with 45-48°C on water and still with HS.Quote:
Originally Posted by p0tempkin
I'm not too worried about the temps. If the high temps mean that I've shortened the lifespan of my CPU from 20 years to 10 years, so be it :) I just wanted to get it stable at 2.7GHz on air and the memory wasn't playing nice until now.
A heatpipe cooler (or maybe water cooling) is in the future. I'm also really intrigued with removing the IHS and I might try that first (very carefully).
I think with something like a Big Typhoon, XP-120, or Ninja plus a good 120mm fan, I would be seeing load temps closer to 55C.
Hya guys, this is my first post.
Ive just put together a 4400+ Asus A8N-E and 2GB Corsair XMS 2-3-3-6.
Im gonna start clocking 2moro, and i wondered how do you assign Prime or Super PI to both cores, infact how do you assign anything to a particular core?
Ive updated the BIOS for X2 support, and ive installed AMD drivers, so im all good.
Cheers.
Hicks,
With Prime95, just go into the "Advanced" menu, and then go to "Affinity". Set one instance to run on CPU 0, and the other to run on CPU 1.
For any other program, do Ctrl+Alt+del to bring up Task Manager. In the "Processes" tab, find the program that you want to assign to a particular CPU, right click on it, and go to "Set Affinity". Same thing; set it to either CPU 0 or CPU 1.
You can also use Systool and under benchmarks there's an option to run two thread of pi..... my favourite cheesy way to test.
Welcome Hicks!!!
use sp2004Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks
That's the way I do it with Prime95 (v24.13).Quote:
Originally Posted by p0tempkin
Hicks, don't forget that you need 2 copies of the P95 folder to run 2 instances.
SP2004 is based on old Prime 23.8.x code and doesn't stress A64 FPU's completely. Use 24.x code only (A64 optimized, see the readme's) for Athlon64 if you want "real stability".Quote:
Originally Posted by DevilsRejection
Thanks a lot guys!!!!!!!!!
Im getting decent enough temps on me 90c, so iam hoping i can reach 2.6ghz. Ram might not be up to it though.
Anyone else got this board?
Ok i open up SUperPI run it and it's fine, set it to Core 0. I then open it up again, set it to work on the other core, and it fails on the 2nd one very fast?
That all depends on the application. In some areas it will only be 1-2 percent but in some areas the difference will be alot more. You can compare the 3700+ San Diego to a 3500+ Venice/Winchester/Newcastle and see the 3700+ is consistently faster. Not to mention the fact that your not going to really get any kind of "steal" on the X2 4200+ anyways. I've seen the 4200+ running for as much as the $599 i payed for my retail 4400+ last night from MonarchComputer.Quote:
Originally Posted by terror_adagio
Did you create a second directory for the second instance of SuperPi?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hicks
Whats the AMD driver for? I thought you were only suppost to install the AMD driver if you wanted to use CnQ? What else does it do?Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
No. How do i do that? :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
make a copy of the folder and all it's contents and put it in another directory . If you launch two instances from the same directory, they try and share data and one dies immediately. You need to launch each instance from a separate directory.
The only thing I can tell that the driver does is enable cnq, other than that I don't think it matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by burningrave101
OK guys , this is what i got here.
i have 4800+ DFI Lanparty NF4 & SLI 7800GTX
I was able to det up stable @3100MHz memory is Mushkin Redline 4000 x11.5 166MHz 2 3 2 7 @ 270 FSB 3.2V i had to use this setings becouse i have problem to give this memory more power.
there is some pictureshttp://www.bobytt.com/32sec.JPG
http://bobytt.com/28-86.JPG
Oh right, ok thanks. How do i launch it seperatly? might sound silly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey
Uhmmmmm you usually click to launch a program no? click the executable in each separate directory........
Yeah, lol indeed, silly me.
Taking it slow, but the wether is still well hot, it's 28C in my room. The temp was 49-50C load running 2 super pi's, is this ok? or to hot?
Iam at 11x210 with no changes to anything else, so stock volts for everything. Id imagine the memory won't do much more at 2-3-3-6. What kind of volts is ok on the memory? it's C2PT 2x1Gb corsair sticks rev 1.2 which is think is Winbond CH-6.
Quote:
Originally Posted by burningrave101
there are several threads incl. Futuremark showing without this amd .exe driver install routine, some scores are artificially low for some reason. just install it.
mixed messages:Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/...=5&o=0&fpart=1
http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/...=5&o=0&fpart=1
still with heatspreader and watercooling
http://mitglied.lycos.de/xxmartin99/...2830@1.552.png
Martin
good results xxmartin ! :toast:
I have an 4400+ coming from Monarch that I hope can come close to 2.8ghz
Yea but other then PCMark scores that AMD driver doesn't help with anything else does it? Seems like a pointless install to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
alg.exe....you've got yourself some spyware :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by xxmartin
Process File: alg or alg.exe
Process Name: Application Layer Gateway Service
Description:
alg.exe is a part of the Microsoft Windows operating system. It is a core process for Microsoft Windows Internet Connection sharing and Internet connection firewall. This program is important for the stable and secure running of your computer and should not be terminated
that's a really good oc xxmartin and stable too! :D
Unbelieveble, as for myself I've just started and right now I'm at 2.42GHz (11x220) at only 1.265v, I'm able to play games, do 3d work (maya), run benchmarks, will go with prime as soon as I get home but it sure looks stable, will go for 2.6GHz or more soon
thxQuote:
Originally Posted by Major
however, heat is very difficult to handle with voltages more than 1.5v.
for higher clocks, i'll remove the heatspreader within the next days. assuming temperature drop of 10-15°c load.
anyway, torture your 4400+ with phase change and you'll easily hit 3.1-3.2 ghz. ;)
Does anyone know what the 4400's can do on phase change?
Thanks :)
Mine is going under Exos2, I will eventually take the IHS off after I play with if for a few weeks. I don't think I'll put it under my LS anytime soon, my SD is going there.Quote:
Originally Posted by xxmartin
I'm excited about getting on the X2 bandwagon ! going to get 2gig of ram for it too ;)
Here is me having a little play with my 4400+
http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ntitled8lv.jpg
2420mhz, with a tiny Vcore bump. Stock everything else, except LDT at 4x.
I take it you don't change the PCI speed, or w/e that is? my first 939 rig this is.
Hoping for around 2600mhz.
Here is the chip, with stepping etc, dunno if it's good or not:
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ict02357ui.jpg
Gimme a week. Getting single stage on it but need heavy case modding and waiting for diff water cooling parts for GPU to fit in, etc. I would guess another 300mhz from water cooling (netting probably +/- 3ghz prime stable... or hoping)Quote:
Originally Posted by REBEL900
Most excellent btw, I could never get that high on both cores... I topped out at 2.7ghz -_- around same volts for stability you are showing. Now I reckon few things though (which is probably only worth another 50mhz or so... which is, your chipset temp is darned lower than mine by about 7-8c... PWM just bit off, and CPU temp is about 5c lower. What is your ambient temp like when doing this shot?)Quote:
Originally Posted by xxmartin