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You know, all new BH-dies are sold untested.Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
Okay, I don't know what the problem is now. I can pass Memtest but Windows is giving me memory errors and BSOD's whenever I'm overclocked. I think I'm throwing in the towel for the night. I'll fix it tomorrow.
B5I8
call our tech guys and we can walk you through it... 800-569-1868.
Duonger
I think i am going to do a freash install of windows before switching out my ram. My system is pretty corrupted from the GSKILL LE
Any reason why the price went up? :(
Will be ordering a gig nonetheless once i get home from school.
geeze 255$....
charlie,
what Bios are you using in your DFI?
thanks,
-Zach
i use 414-3
u got email again..Quote:
Originally Posted by Duonger
0310 official.Quote:
Originally Posted by boostdfd3s
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414-3 Rulz :)
Got my XP4000's today. Will give em a whirl later on.
let us know xgman !
anyone knows were there are selling at??
newegg perhaps..
cause i will change my 3500 512mb x 2 level one mushkin for this pretty red ones hehe..
seems they kick asss..
mushkin :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing rules!!!!!!!!1 :banana:
Fedex just dropped mine off, will try to see how far I can take em in the next couple of days. Will see how much info I can get for you guys this evening.
Can't wait to pick some of these up :D
ordered mine a few hours ago. Hopefully going to get them monday morning :)
woo! FedEx man dropped mine off a few hours ago, i've got em in my PC now runnin 200mhz 2-2-2-5 3.2v just until i get my work done...then i burn em in over night...then we start crankin :) I'll be back with some hopefully great results!
PS
Is it just me or do these sticks smell really good? I dunno - lol - i've never bought any other memory than OCZ and these just smell so good...i want to eat them..lol...oh well - now that ya'll think i'm weird, i'll try and go get some good results :) see ya
:lol: Weirdo!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by AlterBridge86
Nah, I smell all my new in the box hardware. Ahh fresh silicon! Lol.
Anyways haven't had too much time, but got them stable at 265 2-2-2-6 at 3.6v in memtest 86. Will try 270 now... bwahahah.
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Originally Posted by TEDY
Sorry to say that after I took out my stable tccd's at 300htt 2.5-4-3-7-1T and reset the bios and upped the voltage and lowered the timnings etc. the XP4000 redlines would not make it much past the windows login screen without bluescreening or freezing up. I tried every combination of underclocked (even under 230htt) settings I could think of incl all sorts of voltages and Nada. Gave up and sent them back. I think I'll stick with tccd's at 300htt 1-1 for now even if lower timings. O have no idea what the problem with the ram was. Bios 414-3. :mad: :rolleyes: :mad:
It's the DFI, it's psycho. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by xgman
Whenever I switch ram sticks I have probs. Did you reset CMOS after installing new sticks??
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And isn't the 414-3 the best bios for TCCD. Isn't there/shouldn't there be a bios that is for Bh-5?
Mine booted np. I set it to 250, 2-2-2-6 3.2v. Worked from there. I have had some boot problems when trying to see how far they'd go, and it would give me some errors recognizing my raid array. A quick cmos reset cleared that all up.
So I seem to hit a wall at 265, oh and it was 3.6v not 3.4, I'll edit that post here in a second.
So 265 2-2-2-6 3.6v 414-3 Bios, Also to note I loaded optimized settings, only changed the 2-2-2-6 1:1 ratio, and 1t command rate, everything else was left at the "optimized" defaults.
So I'll run this for a few days and see if a burn in effect has taken effect and see if I can't get a few more mhz out of these.
I'm still very happy with my results. Will run blend for 24h this weekend to make sure they are rock solid, they pass memtest np.
Also Canibuz, 414-1 is TCCD, 414-2 UTT types, 414-3 general, I believe is how the bios for the DFI NF4 is right now.
So now I just have to get rid of my pc4800s heh.
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Originally Posted by c42
for me, changing to cas1.5 netted me about 2-3 more mHz on my DDr oC.
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Yea I was hoping for that, but unfortunately nope! Although I didn't try higher than 3.7 with 1.5 cas, we'll see if a burn in helps ;).
All I know is that my dfi gets along well with it, it didn't play nice with my pc4800. So I'm loving it =). 15mhz o/c doesn't hurt either heh.
I will say one thing that most know though, the mosfet gets burning HOT! Most people know this, but just restating. As most everyone knows to run at 3+ vdimm you are gonna require some kind of active cooling, 1 80mm over the ram, and 1 80mm over the mosfet is plenty for me.
read this....
Active Cooling Required *----Due to the extreme speed of these modules along with the added voltages used, Mushkin requires end users to Actively cool their memory modules. Modules that are not properly cooled will/may not meet rated timings and speeds, and may become suceptable to premature failure. We generally recommend 15-25cfm of direct airflow over the ram modules which can be easily accomplished with one 60mm or 80mm low rpm fan. This will insure increased stability and lifespan of your Redline modules
Recommended Platforms--- Mushkin tests all Redline memory modules on Athlon64 platforms. Furthermore, when running two modules, only Socket 939 platforms are validated to run at rated specifications/timings. We currently recommend and validate the Redline memory series on the DFI LanParty UT NForce4 Ultra-D, DFI LanParty UT NForce4 SLI-DR, and DFI LanParty NForce4 SLI-DR boards as they provide the best combination of voltage options and compatibility for the Redline Series. Other motherboards may work, but may require modification for adequate voltages, and may not produce optimal results. Single Channel Athlon64 systems may have a hard time running 2x512mb dimms at rated speeds due to memory load on the single channel memory controller. Pentium4 and AthlonXP systems generally will not obtain rated specifications secondary to motherboard/memory controller limitations. These modules are compatible with most motherboards for Pentium4/AthlonXP CPUs, however end users are advised that lower frequencies achieved are a very real possibility.
Try it and see if it helps to cool it.
Duonger
For some reason, my Redline won't OC at all. My OCZ and G. Skill UTT modules OC'ed okay, it's just this set. I guess I'll have to call tech support again tomorrow. It's very strange, it'll pass Memtest no problem at my OC'ed settings but it's just not stable in Windows at all. I always get BSOD's if I'm OC'ed. I haven't lost faith in Mushkin though, I just think I got a bad set.
SOunds like more of a settings/compatibility issue... because it passes memtest.Quote:
Originally Posted by B5I8
good luck!!
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That's what I thought to, but I've exhausted all timing configurations and what not. I used the 316 BIOS and the 414-3 BIOS. Like I said, my G. Skill and OCZ UTT modules worked perfectly fine with either BIOS and the same settings. Maybe when I call tech support tomorrow, they'll have some magic setting that I somehow overlooked.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
I have it activley cooled, 1 80mm over the ram, 1 80mm over the mosfet ;). No way in hell would they run at 3.6 without it heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duonger
B518 I had a similiar problem with a previous set of ram, that it would pass memtest, p95, superpi, sandra, etc. Any test/benchmark i could throw at it, it would pass np, but if I went to play WoW or CS:S, I'd get memory errors. Couldn't explain it, b/c the memory was good, but just wasn't co-operating. Threw in the xp4000, processor is o/ced and it wasn't with the other memory, can play both games np, pass all tests etc.
hey hey - just wanted to note that these Mushkin sticks seem to run relatively cool. I'm still burning in (looping memtest) at 2-2-2-5 200mhz 3.2v and they're cool to the touch...my VX was scorching at these volts...i also have a 92mm fan blowing about 50cfm over them, but it was the same for the VX and they still got hot...dunno - but i like it :) I'm hoping to be able to push it to 250mhz tonight at 3.2v - my VX would do it after 24 hours of burn in...so we'll see..i'll be back with some results :)
Gonna have a 80mm pointed directly at the ram, 80mm fan on the mosfet and the 120mm panaflo high speed from the XP-120 cooling my ram...
JUST GOTTA WAIT FOR IT TO SHIP! :stick:
What kind of burning in is this ? :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by AlterBridge86
can u list your timings for u?Quote:
Originally Posted by B5I8
maybe it's one of your bios settings, timings, drive strength etc...
I know that drive strength of 7 and data drive strength of 1 on bios 414-3 was helpful for me(thanks trans am ;))
Tedy - its the same burning in that Andy-OCZ had recommended we do to VX (which would naturally apply to all other CH-based products). Its basically setting tight tight timings at 200mhz with an average amout of volts - i personally choose 3.2v, some people range from 3.0v - 3.4v...either way, looping this for about 24hrs "breaks in" the RAM which gives it a bit more give...kind of like breaking in a baseball glove so that its not so stiff and makes it easier to catch a ball..same goes with ram...this should ultimately give you higher overclock using less voltage than you would need without the burn...i foud it helped out on my VX quite a bit, so i figured i'd try it out on this too...anyways, results after work ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
No, but I did reset all settings. Unfortunately I was so disgusted I lost patinece and gave up. If I hadn't had tccd's perfectly stable at 300htt, I might have tried harder. To tell the truth, I'm not convinced that running 3.4+v 24/7 is such a good thing anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
That sound familiar. Like Charlie said, there may be a setting or something to force more windows compatability, but I just didn't have the time to figure it out. I like tweaking, but these days my philosophy is it either works right from the start or it's outta here. Lifes too short.Quote:
Originally Posted by B5I8
Has anybody had any cold boot issues with the redline ram? I'm sick of dealing with it on my twinmoss and am thinking about trying these.
These are normally my settings:Quote:
Originally Posted by JNav89GT
200
enable
2
2
5
2
7
15
00
02
01
02
3072
1
enable
Increase
0
8
auto
7
5
16
enable
16x
7x
disabled 8 burst
I have also tried Mushkin's recommended settings of:
200
enable
2
2
6
2
8
auto
02
02
auto
auto
auto
auto
enable
auto
0
7
auto
7
auto
256
disable
8x
4x
disabled 8 burst
I've also tried upping the voltage to 3.4V. I'm going to give tech support a call right now.
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Originally Posted by B5I8
I was having similar problems when I raised my LDT and Chipset voltages. I would leave those at default settings.
(thanks JNav89GT ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4X4N
my TMII's will not post in dual channel for some strange reason. But the Redline does. Each individual stick will work, so it's not the ram. I have tried bio 414-2 and 4-14-3. Has anyone else had this problem on the NF4 DFI?
Just got off the phone with tech support and it looks like these modules are going back.
What did tech say?Quote:
Originally Posted by B5I8
Duonger
200
enable
2
2
5
2
7
15
auto
auto
auto
auto
auto
auto
enable
auto
7
1
7
5
16
enable
16x
7x
disabled 8 burst
I think those are the settings I start with and tweak from there.
yeah, me too except for DRAM DRIVE STRENGTH, I use 6 or 8.Quote:
Originally Posted by JNav89GT
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 4X4N
i had cold boot issue before... but not no more... i've been running 3.5v for over 2 months now... i found dat removing and switching ur ram from dimm slot to dimm slot will cause ur ram to latch up... i just kept my ram the way dey are now everything is working fine...
how about trfc = 12 instead of 15?Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
12 yelds bh5
Mine won't even POST at 12 or 13 trfcQuote:
Originally Posted by esdee
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charlie and JNav89GT, what are the final tweaked bios settings youre at now for cas2 and cas1.5? Just looking to start at the baselines you both posted and go upwards with a goal in mind. :toast:
Thanks,
-Zach
well I thought I posted my x64 tweaker screenie earlier, tbh I get so damm confused with all the bios timings in the dfi I can't be 100% sure of them all in order w/out looking at the screen. I'm at work now and tonight I will be WAY too busy working on basement to have time to check. But I can tell you I basically had everything tweaked down to most aggressive settings I believe except the tref I ran at auto.
I spoke to Christie she said it may not be compatible with my mobo which is weird because I'm running a DFI NF4 SLI-DR which is what Mushkin tests them on. She said they are going to test my modules and if they test good I'll get a refund, if they test bad they'll send me a new set. We'll see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duonger
My redline 4000 ram is working out good so far. I am burning them in at 13x 245 right now on my FX55
Forgot to add the timmings are tight !Quote:
Originally Posted by Unrealcpu
hmmm quiet odd. well, brian will test them thoroughly. i know all the 4000 are hand tested and triple board tested each before they are shipped. maybe it was an oversight but rest assure we will get u OCd.Quote:
Originally Posted by B5I8
Duonger
can you post the most optimal settings for max FSB. I am running into BSOD like mad at 249FSB at 12x multi and 13xQuote:
Originally Posted by Duonger
using a vapochill LS
What timings are you using now? Voltage? Active cooling on mosfet and ram?Quote:
Originally Posted by Unrealcpu
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unrealcpu
I almost guarantee you it's your drive strength or another timing you've left at tccd settings. Are you using one of the latest BH5/UTT bios's btw?
using official bios 3-10Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
have active cooling on ram.
Someone post a screenshot what i need to use for settings.
I'm using bios 414-3
using drive strenght of 7 and data drive strenght of 1
on 310 I was using 8-6 I think or was it 8-4, maxes of both whatever they were.
Yea, use the 414-3 unreal, optimized for UTT.
Well its working out
I put it on CAS 1.5 and set most timmings to auto
The key was to bump up the voltage to 3.6 on the vdimm
I am at 3300mhz FX55 13x255 and just pulled a 26sec Super PI.
Still testing :)
UTT it is ...Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
seems like 270++ is an easy task for UTT ..
binned UTT that is :D.....very broad range of capablities
I agree, I wouldn't say 270 is easy, takes the right kit and bios timings for these picky dimms to fly, but once they do watch out. Mega fun to play with :)
btw playful buffalo that chick in avatar is HOT HOT HOT
Dude you are Married... guess window shopping is ok but no buying right..Quote:
Originally Posted by JNav89GT
LOL LOL :toast:
Duonger
Quote:
Originally Posted by JNav89GT
I am at 3333mhz , this ram flys compared to GSKILL. Right now i feel i am stable but the big test is playing some battlefield vietnam. I think i can pull a 25sec super pi but its going to take lots of tweaking.
I switched over to the 4-13 bios for UTT seems to work ok cant really tell. But my question is , what is the max you can safely give voltage to the ram
right now im at 3.63 and it seems cool to the touch because of my 92mm fan directly over them?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unrealcpu
For 24/7 used, I wouldn't go above 3.6. For benching, many feel comfortable using up to 3.8-4.0v with proper cooling.
I think you could squeeze more out of your ram unreal with better timings, you said you were running a lot of auto's right?
Yeah i am mostly running auto and i am at 13x254Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
Goal is to get to 12x277 I dont think it will happen unless someone can give me some settings like the thread starter, that he used to get to 280 fsb.
I think i might run into issues at 12x 277 FSB but we will see. I dont think this ram likes anything higher then 270 no matter what multi .
3.8vdimm
13x 260fsb
25 sec super pi
3370mhz FX55
Everything is snappy ! due to the low latencys, However i need to unlock more ram bandwidth but i dont know which setting to work with first. Here is tweaker at 260FSB 13x
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../260FSB12x.jpg
what setting do i need to relax to get me up to the 280FSB range ??????????
cant seem to pass 260FSB at 12x or 13 x multi.
I am at 260FSB 13x multi
3.8 VDIMM
3370mhz FX55
I got a 25SEC super pi and is stable for benching.
I know this ram has more potential , this is what athlon tweaker gave me at 260FSB 13x
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../260FSB12x.jpg
Here's what I used for my DFI NF3 with 2x512MB BH6.
A few things you'll need to change with UTT and an NF4:
TRC & TRFC = 7 & 14 maybe?
TRTW = 1
CAS: 1.5 maybe
These should net you the most bandwidth and stability, if you get instability put the TRTW back to 2 and maybe CAS back to 2.
In terms of drive strength use whatever JNav said above.
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Originally Posted by EnJoY
In the bios it says cas 1.5 but tweaker gave me 1.0?
Quote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
I want the most FSB i can pull out of the ram . what settings would u use for 280fsb. I really dont think this ram can do 280+ FSB no matter what.
You could drop Trc to 11, CAS to 2, Twr to 3 and see if that helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unrealcpu
UTT/BH5/BH6 won't get higher MHz with lower timings, in fact they sometimes get less stable. So trust me, and use my instructions, I can get 267MHz on my BH6 (which is corsair value ram) with those timings and 3.5volts. You should be able to do better with an FX, technically superior ram, and better motherboard. Just test and stop asking questions lol. :P
ah! I tried to bump up to 250mhz when i got home...no good...got errors after first loop of memtest went error free..and not a few errors that will work themselves out, 15,623 errors :P Anyways, i'm flashing from 310p bios to 414-2 see if it gets me any better clocking...i'll be back
I used your settings they dont workQuote:
Originally Posted by EnJoY
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlterBridge86
I cant even get past 259 FSB on 12 X MULTI LOL
Ive tried all previous ram setting mentiond in this thread
this is BS , binned ram lol.
Im on vapo too
woo! Alright - flashing to 414-2 DEFINITELY helped..i'm sittin at 265mhz right now with 3.6v flowing through these babies...
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/rti2/redline.JPG
Its memtest stable, i'm gonnna let it loop overnight and see what i can pull off tomorrow...i would show some stability tests but i'll save that until i'm at my max :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlterBridge86
can you post your settings for athlon tweaker?
Also hav you used the 4-13 utt bios or should i try the one you are using
I'll try to get a screenie of my bios in the next day or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unrealcpu
However, I think people need to realize that not every kit is going to do 265+. It's rated at 250 and if it does 250 and not 251 it's not defective :fact:
hey - the way i understood the bioses when they were posted was that "1" was for TCCD, "2" for UTT/BH5/CH5, and "3" was a blend of the two...so in answer to your question..give "2" a shot, whats the worst that can happen? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Unrealcpu
Oh - i'll post a64tweaker soon as i get home..i'm at work now...
EDIT:
And my fan controller comes today so i'm gonna put the Vantec Tornado in there and keep these sticks REALLY cool :D
I have about the same results between 0310 and 0414-2
OPP has great luck on the old 0125!!!!!!
C
Charlie... if you haven't yet, you might want to try 331-3 with your Blacks ;) Significantly better results with it than 218 or 125 on them :hehe:
I've been really busy but i'm on the rig now, and won't have results for a few more days most likely.
Nothing special, just booted to 240x10 with all 4 sticks in there (414-2 BIOS), not a single grunt or moan at all from this beast. Haven't even tried and its already beating my 2x1gb PDP memory.
I'll push higher later.
No way your gonna get 280 on 12 or 13 multi with LS. Set multi to 11 and explore your max Ram clocks. I would also say back off on vdimm to 3.7 range. Over that causes memory errors, not in every case so test with memtest, particularly tests 6-7-8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unrealcpu
Try drive strength @ 6 yellow slots & 414-3 BIOS.
Looking forward to seeing how your 4x512 set-up stacks up against the 2x1gig OCZ (OCZ4002048PFDC-K) Eva2000 reported on recently. Please include SuperPi and Everrest scores so we can see if speed and tight timings can overcome the 2T setting. I'd like to try the same thing with the Twinmos SP CH, but I have a sneaking suspicion that my yellow dimm slots will never work. However, if your results are spectacular I'll cough up the $100 for another set and give it a try. :) Played with an AA4T set today, 3.3v and 250 (334HTTx9 3:4 divider) and it was rock steady in EQ2 for hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulburner
I can't seem to get it stable with 4x512 at these settings. Even with Bank Interleave / CPC Disabled.Quote:
Originally Posted by JNav89GT
I'll mess around with it more but so far I can't get past 230-235 unless I leave it all on Auto.
Soulburner,
set them all to auto and then check in A64 Tweaker... at least then you'll know what timings the board is setting. Good luck in getting that 4x512 setup stable man!
The board sets 2.5-3-3-7 on auto settings.
I seem to have gained some stability at 235 at 1.5-2-2-5 over 2-2-2-6...still trying, but a far cry from the rated 250.
Edit, spoke too soon. Will try more settings.
I know it's "old news", but they work nicely even using dividers....
I can't try higher, cuz my Winny won't do it.
C
Soulburner,
Could you post a A64 Tweaker screen shot when everything is on auto please?
Maybe someone here will spot a setting that is causing you this trouble... although you are one of the first to try overclocking 4x512 CH-UTT sticks.
Also, are they stable if you set everything to AUTO except for the "four basic timings" 2-2-2-6?
Sometimes Trcd=3 also helps with these modules...
right now im doing 260x10 @3.2v i dont see any higer voltages in the bios even with the pins set on 2-3.. do i need a special bios?
im happy with a 600mhz increase but i want to get it to 2.8ghz ;)
Refering to Redline XP4000 sticks,
Are all these *Great* memory overclock done on A64 systems only??? what about P4 system? what about Dothan platform? I know people get better mem clocks with the A64 due to on-die mem controller. Do these sticks oc just as good with other platforms?
How well do they oc at lower voltages? i.e. 2.9v~ 3.2v? I'll feed 3.3v+ if need to be.
Btw, great ocs!! Charlie. congrats with the new mem sticks.
I have not even used A64 tweaker yet - BIOS settings only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
I tried just about everything I could think of and nothing made them stable past 235 2-2-2 even with the rest on Auto.
I am using 3.0-3.2v with a 3.3v rail of 3.4v. It stays exactly where I set it stabily. 3.2v is more stable than 3.0v at that speed it seems, though it seems like a lot more than others are using.
I get into Windows but it will crash when loading up a game.
I am done for the night, I will try more tomorrow.
what ldt/chipset volt settings are you using with that 9/10 divider?Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
i can't mine to work and i'm not sure if i need to increase vdimm, ldt, chipset volts. my suspicion is that i need to up the vdimm with the 9/10 divider.
I suppose it's the usual, but I just checked pricing from both uk resellers and the mushy webshop...
Mushkin - $255 = about £135 or so...
The UK supplier - £272 + shipping edit - that's around $500 us btw
:upset:
I hate the UK sometimes...
Gray
You could get a gig of Geil Ultra X BH-5 for £140. Mines doing 262 @ 1.5-2-2-5-7-12-1-2-1. I like it and these arent even a set of Cherries, these are a pair I bought myself! I'm sure they would go higher too if my CPU was phase cooled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray Mole
:banana:
what do they run 2x512mbQuote:
Originally Posted by Soulburner