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i wish you luck :p:
o/t, what is the difference between the 4/8 bios and the 4/15 bios? could dfi have already gotten the mobile 3700+ micro-codes in? :eek:
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i wish you luck :p:
o/t, what is the difference between the 4/8 bios and the 4/15 bios? could dfi have already gotten the mobile 3700+ micro-codes in? :eek:
hahaha im a idiot :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gogeta
OPN is TMSMT30BQX5LD, for anyone looking...
http://www.ocworkbench.com/index.stm (check the bottom)
wtf they have a turion mobo, hold on 754 has 754 pins still right? i have the latest bios in order to support new turions HOPE FULLY but they have their own mobo???? wtf
Here they are!!!!
http://img162.echo.cx/img162/2486/4turion5qk.jpg
But there is something wrong with one of them. It may not be something major and it may still work. But I would never even think of selling this to anyone.
http://img162.echo.cx/img162/7148/ml375db.jpg
http://img162.echo.cx/img162/634/ml3728ld.jpg
Either AMD rushed this sucker out or someone at the distributor did this. Either way this should have never of been shipped out to me. :mad:
I already called to RMA. They are going to pick it up from me.
ouch. that little chip is barely noticeable, but there.
looks awesome otherwise. can't wait for some test reports.
ozzimark, its nothing compared to your lovely chip. :D
heh. this is true. upon remembering this, i bet that cpu does work. best to be safe anyhow.
while on that topic, do you notice any curvature to the core, even in the slightest? i'm hoping amd has figured out how to put that metal coating on the die properly by now :p:
ff, you plan on giving us a good run down later on this week when you receive your chip? (come on sacrifice a few hours for us kids here. i want to see the good old single channel dfi giving the non-released venice chips a good run for their money) s754 dead. i think not.
oh and vandi you have a pm. hehe.
I'll try to take a picture tomorrow when there is some light in my house. BTW they're kinda Metallic Blue. Very pretty, I kinda feel like keeping one now. :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
hey ship one to me i'll test it out and i MIGHT send it back lol btw why do all the chips say 2001, this is 2005...right???
the a64 project started back in 01 i think
Of course. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tristancarton
I should have all day Friday, some of Saturday, and all day Sunday to tweak. Don't worry, I'm not going to leave you guys hanging.
just wanted to update. well i am joining you ff, vandi is hooking me up. (you rock) i should have a turion mt-34 by wed, thurs, or friday. i will update with results from my dfi ut250 later this week with alot of testing on saturday and sunday. (graduate in june with ece degree. have midterm and program due on friday so no extensive benching till then.)
again vandi thanks. ff seems you and i are going to have some fun this week.
Keep us all posted. I'll enjoy seeing what you guys can pull off. :toast:
Good to hear. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by tristancarton
I want chips! anywhere to get them in canada? i need to replace my 35W 2800+ newcastle, I want 90nm, SSE3, and 1MB L2 cache~ :fact:
None that I know of, but I'm sure Vandi423 would be more than willing to ship to Canada. I believe he still has an MT-34 left (unless he decides to keep it) and will have a replacement ML-37 soon.
USPS shipping shouldn't be more than $10-20 for such a small and lightweight item. Just make sure to have him mark it as a gift to avoid customs charges.
i would definitly like that MT-34 :D
however, i've kinda had my hopes set on the 3700+ mobile for a while now, so i dunno what to do.
whats to great about the 3700+ mobile? im guessing it does 2.4g stock and its not guaranteed to go much furthur than that, maybe 2.6g. how expensive is it gona be as well!
from what i seen these new turions doing 2.2 at 1.1vcore, they would be the best bet?
shure you are correct the new mobile 3700 is 2.4ghz 1mb cache at stock. the thing that is so special about it is that it is a s754 90nm chip with a 12x multiplier (and 1mb cache) on the e stepping. it is probably a turion that couldn't make low voltage but did well in the binning speed category.(still unsure how amd bins their chips. voltage first then maybe speed afterwards?) in any case based upon earlier e stepping results and one or two turion shots this mobile will be very fast. 130nm desktop 3700 usually make 2600 with a little voltage and good cooling. 90nm with new memory controller and without lid should go a few hundred higher. (*note: i said hopefully. more info on how turions do when given voltage will come later on this week when ff and i get our chips.)
ozzi, yeah i really wanted to wait for the 90nm 3700 mobile as well but i figure i will play with this turion for a while and see how she does. if i don't like it i can sell it and keep my 3400 mobile or buy a 3700 mobile when they come out.
also seems as if amd is switching all of the mobile claws to 90nm e stepping based upon the way they changed their tech docs. so maybe a cheap 90nm 3000 or 3200 mobile would be the best performance/price.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_10220_10221^10222,00.html
Quote:
Originally Posted by shuRe
ah my bad, i thought they were just regular 130nm :p:
i asked amd about the 3700 mobile, its running with 1.35v they said, so it really looks like its a san diego 90nm core!
price is 330$ not bad for a mobile san diego!!! :D
the only revE vpus that need a new bios to work are the san diego chips :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
so if they update their bios for revE it means they will support turion chipsi guess, easy as that :D
thx a lot Vandi423! beautifull! :D
and if amd really changes all mobiles to 90nm then turion is going to be some sort of a ulv version then... interesting... now we will not only have to figure out if its worth to get a cheap desktop chip, or a more expensive mobile chip, but have also to check the ulv turion chips for oc/$ ! :lol:
Is there any hope for those of us with K8N neo. will the 3700+ 90nm need a new BIOS?
awesome. didn't happen to ask what the TDP is too, did you? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
blueworm: maybe, maybe not. i'll be trying hard to get a 3700+ mobile as soon as i can (vandi has told me it might be a month or two till they show up). i have an msi k8n neo to go with the dfi in my sig. whenever i get one in, i'll make sure you guys hear about it.
am man now i want one!
someone be a guini pig for us lot and get a 3700+ for the dfi nf3 :p:
already working on it. i just need the 3700+ first ;)
if somebody finds a link at somewhere like excaliberpc, or if newegg has it and someone can ship to me, let me no plz so i can get my comp back up :p:
It's here. :D
tristancarton: For whatever reason, the Turion memory controller doesn't seem to like when you have two memory sticks in anything other than DIMM slots 1 and 2. Just thought I'd let you know so you aren't ripping your hair out trying to figure out why the computer won't boot. If you're just using one stick, it doesn't seem to mind which slot it's in. Also make sure you're using the 4/15 beta BIOS (although I'm guessing the 4/8 would also work, I haven't tested it).
Instead of posting my results on all the forums I visit, I'm going to keep it all in my thread at EOCF. Here's the link.
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.co...3&page=1&pp=20
Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :banana: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :banana: :banana:
I knew it would work!
:banana: :banana: :banana:
sweet, thanks FF! *celebrates*
edit: can't see the screens. gotta log in to do that :(
He only put this one so far:
DFI Lanparty UT NF3 250gb
http://img249.echo.cx/img249/4373/cpuz5uo.jpg
ah, thanks vandi :toast:
looks like cpu-z 1.27 doesn't like recognizing the core though. :p:
try 1.28 perhaps?
oooooo ma ma beautiful
first off give thanks to vandi for hooking us up.
secondly, looks like you guys are going to get the double dose tonight. missed the fedex package today but got to pick it up at around 9 et.
ff, yeah i couldn't get the system past the bios at 2-2-2-5 with my three tccds sticks.(strange because my 3400 could get past at those speeds) pulled the middle one out and it wouldn't even boot. pulled the stick in dimm three out and booted up fine. i will try 512 in 1 and 2 in a bit. honestly i just turned on the system.
turion numbers are:
TMSMT34BQX5LD
CABSE 0507 GPAW
here are a few pics: (if these go down i will try and host elsewhere)
a64 3400 mobile 62w vs turion mt-34 25w core (size)
dfi nf3 ut250gb boot screen showing support (oskar wu i love you)
90mm silent cat feeding 80mm smart fan into thermalright slk-948u
YAY!!! You're Welcome tristancarton!!!!!!!!!! :toast:
I want to Thank Both of you for trusting me!
I am also glad that both of your boards worked with the Turions.
I trust both packages arrived in good condition?
seems like there's still some slight bios quirks to work out with turion then. the fact that it actually recognizes the name shows that oscar really did go ahead and work on it, but the apparent ram issues need to be worked on :toast:
(vandi, you rock. i would have taken that last one off your hands, but i really do want newark over turion ;))
It's strange, but Newcastle wouldn't boot with the memory in slots 2 & 3. My Oakville wouldn't boot with anything in slot 1. And now the Turion seems to be wierd about having anything in slot 3 with more than one stick of memory. Lol, a different quirk for a different memory controller. ;)
tristancarton, did all three sticks work with looser timings? Or not at all?
Vandi423 everything arrived great. I know it took a leap of faith for you being this was your first time doing business online. I appreciate it, and I'm sure tristancarton does too. :)
EDIT: tristancarton, what kind of results are you getting? I just had to at least see what the chip could do, and I'm having trouble getting any kind of descent clock. Set the board to 277HTT for 2.5GHz. Dropped the CPU multi to make sure the board was good to run at all those settings, and it seemed to get into Windows and run fine. So I bumped the multi up to 9x and couldn't get it into Windows. Tried with 1.4-1.55v and no luck. Is there some setting I'm forgetting? Or something else holding be back. Let me know how yours does, so we can narrow it down to Turion being a complete turd or my system being a turd. :(
Maybe it just needs burnt in a little?
hopefully it's just something silly.. not being able to do 2.5ghz is a bit.. :(
even though it's supposed to have a better memory controller, how does it do with one stick in?
ff, sorry been playing with alot of settings over the past hour or two. started out with low voltage then said what the heck. 1.5v is def safe for a 90nm chip.
so been playing around with 1.5v and the speed range of 2450-2600. i will let you know when i have some good solid numbers with prime. (meaning more than just a few minutes of testing) right now i am just running one stick of my pdp xbl in dimm slot1. (2.5-3-3-7 1:1 or on 9/10 divider)
Damn! I hope your results get better. Maybe I should start asking for newark... :( I'm still going to get a 25W for myself though and do what I planned on doing. I still have no word on Venice and San Diego from AMD other than the original May dates.
Quote:
Originally Posted by fr0stedflakes
Hmm.... When I tried VX, it wouldn't run well in slots 1+2. Only 1+3. Wonder if this could affect Turion VX clocking.
Edit: Just noticed that you're running 2x TCCD which works better in slots 1+2. I assume that's why.
Must be something else then, because our chips were manufactured at practically the same time. Same week, same stepping, and I'm assuming the batch numbers are only a few off, so I'm sure they came from the same wafer.
But yeah dude I can't even get into Windows at much more than 2.3-2.4GHz, even with 1.55-1.6v. I'll keep tinkering, though. Maybe I'll give the 4/8 beta BIOS a try. Is that what you're using tristancarton?
ff, damn you can't even get into windows above 2.3-2.4 at 1.55v? i can at least get into windows while running 2600-2700 between 1.5 and 1.6. (typing this at 2655 1.55x1.04 2.5-3-3-7 2x512mb cpu/10 divider.)
as far as the bios. i was running 4/8 last week but then upgraded to 4/15. (although i am not exatly sure what changed seeing as the 4/8 bios had the exact same change log as the 4/15)
other note:
-played around with three sticks again at 2T timings under ddr400 speeds. (with all settings on auto) can't get past post. (whereas my 62w 3400 claw can do 2-2-2-5 2T ddr432 all day with three sticks)
not sure how much more i will fidget tonight. from what i have seen so far i would guess my cpu will end up in the 2500-2600 range with volts between 1.475-1.6. i am going to see if i can get a good clock and voltage to run prime overnight.
with one stick of RAM have you guys seen an increase in memory overclock potential on the new mem controllers?
im beginning to think the new 90nm SOI SSE3 3700+ 754 is a better option... AMD may not have been talking sheet when they said slower transistors were used in the Turion line...
it would appear that you're right.. didn't i see something about a turion at 2.8ghz not too long ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
So, fr0stedflakes got a Turdion and tristancarton a Centurion? That's not fair! I hope I'm wrong and that you both get 2.7 GHz at least!
Good luck guys!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
hehe, Turdion! I like that one. These results arent looking too promising though as my 35W Newcastle can do do 2.6ghz.
but thats only with 512k cache which means that they only need 2.4G to compete in 3D
All three were pretty much exactly the same as far as I could tell. I am begining to think that the multi is KING in A64. I might be joining you guys on friday.
first off rabbi. i wish i could give you a good answer. i never fully tested my tccds sticks to their max with my 3400. i just played around with them till i found a good spot.(sign of a noob overclocker) i will see if i can get some decent low multiplier high 1:1 fsb notes here by saturday or sunday.
updates:
-been working for 2.7 at between 1.58-1.65 but can't seem to get it. (my original hopes were 2.7 at 1.5v)
-right now i am super pi 32m stable at 1.55x1.04 @ 294x9=2646. (ram at 2.5-3-3-10 1T 264.6 Mhz) i am testing prime95 small fft and am going to let this go for a while.
benchies@ this clock:
superpi 32M: 29m 18s
3dmark 2001 with x800xt at stock 500/500: 29373 (always a nice score with the 1mb cache)
Sisoft Sandra:
Arithmetic: 12241 Dhrystone, Whetstone 4181/5419
Multimedia: 25245 Integer, Floating point 27149
CPU is staying in the mid-upper 30s (c) under load. Room temp is around 25 c.
i have alot of stuff i have to get done for school tomorrow but i will try and update if i get any furthur. ff, i hope you start getting better numbers. i wouldn't be very happy at 2.3-2.4 with 1.5-1.65v.
I think I'm starting to get somewhere. After doing some tweaking, changing Vdimm from 2.6v to 2.7v seemed to help me break the hump that was holding me back. Right now I'm Priming at 2.4GHz with 1.5v (didn't seem to like this speed with 1.4v). Will keep pushing it.
Have you guys tried running with a divider just to find max CPU speed?
Yeah that's what I'm doing. I set the board at 300HTT and divided everything to make sure the board was stable. Keeping the RAM at or below 200MHz for now, and slowly working the CPU multi up in 0.5x increments (hopefully) to 2.7GHz.
1/2 multi's are evil though :(
just because i can't seem to figure it out, tristian and FF, you both have MT-34's, right?
i don't really understand the discrephancy in oc'ing.. though i guess the comment before that the CTO made about slower transistors.. is proving right :mad:
I dunno, I think the chips are about the same, I just hadn't really tweaked it enough to keep up with tristancarton. I'm currently at about 2.6GHz now, but don't see this chip going much further. Am trying to find out how high I can run the memory, as I've never really pushed it beyond 250MHz.
mats, i started out doing that but i wasn't really getting any furthur running the memory at low speeds. (running the divider at 100 (1/2) or 133 (2/3)wasn't giving me a whole lot more room than running it at 166 (5/6) or 180 (9/10).
ozzi, yeah strange to see a few san diego reviews showing very high clock speeds at low volts and we are sitting here trying to get 2500-2600 stability in the 1.5v-1.6v range. aren't these lancaster turion cores basically voltage binned san diegos that are cut down to only use the single channel memory interface? i still have a hard time believing amd would use special silicon for these chips when alot of their newcastle 90nm cores can hit the turion low voltage speeds. then again with the results we are getting so far.
yeah ff has an mt-34. supposedly of a similar batch.(makes sense since they came from same person and one shipment) lastly give us a few more days to play around with the cpu some more. perhaps there are a few memory timings and settings that just don't get along with these new memory controllers and ff and I haven't been tinkering with those yet. (right now i am just more or less just running oskar nf3 tccd settings.)
small update: keep having to move my speed down a few from prime95 failure. testing 292x9 just failed after a few hours. heading for 290x9.
fr0stedflakes,
can you post your complete settings mate?
maybe we can help you get the board stable so it's not a limiting factor...
For now:
Set LDT to 3x
Set CPU Multi to MAX ( 9x ??? )
Set Memory Divider to 166 (5/6)
What memory do you have? We will definately be able to help you get that under control if you post what manufacturer, what chips, what speed ratings, yada yada.
What PSU do you have?
what BIOS are you running?
If you need a hand just post that info and we'll be Xtremely happy to help hehehe
rabbi i may end up posting alot of questions later tomorrow and asking for thoughts. i know you have tweaked your nf3 to the bone.
anyway, more comments.
-290x9 (2610) was stable at 1.55x1.04 with 2.5-3-3-10 1T cpu/10 (261 mhz) timings for 5 hours in prime small fft. (i stopped it)
-296x9 (2664) at 1.5x1.10 with 2.5-3-3-10 1T cpu/10 (266.4) went for about 2 1/2 hours (p95 small fft) last night before it exited out.
-right now trying 294x9 at 1.5x1.10 with 2.5-3-3-10 1T cpu/10 (266.4).
-these chips are really interesting. i was throwing 1.7 volts at it earlier and the temperature would only max at 38-40c. additionally right after taking off the load the idle cpu would drop back down into high 20s. i thought this was pretty amazing for air cooling temps at 1.7v in a room with ambient being in mid 20s. highly doubt i will run 1.7v even with those temps. 1.6-1.65 is probably even pushing a 90nm air cooled core.
ff how are your temps?
Temps are awesome. My Oakville wasn't much different. Even with pretty low end air cooling, you could probably give these 90nm cores 1.55-1.6v and still keep temps under 50*C load. But like you mentioned, I'd be worried about the high voltage stressing the processor, and not the heat. I'd say 1.6v is an OK 24/7 Vcore, maybe 1.55v if you want to play it safe.
I doubt it's the board or mem, because right off the bat I set it to 300x7 to verify stability at high HTTs. Divided the memory to ~200MHz (2/3), and set LTD to 2.5x. I tested this and it was stable in P95 and general windows use. Because my goal was 2.7GHz I was just planning to keep all settings the same and raise multi so I'd know it was the CPU as soon as I started having instability. Mem frequency would change a little as I started OC'g the CPU because it's divided by the CPU frequency, but it never went over 200MHz, which I knew for sure it could run.
Tried BIOS 4/8 and 4/15. My power supply is a 350w, but it's an Antec with plenty of power. Is rated for 21A on the +12v and my DMM reads +12v as 12.01, so I doubt that's the problem. I have PCI video, 2x512mb, and CD-RW and a 40gb HDD, so I don't have a lot of big power users in my system.
I've taken a break from tweaking for a few days because it's getting me so frustrated. I'll give the processor a couple days to burn in then go at it again. Or maybe I'll just drive over it with my car... :hehe:
Quite disappoing, isn't it ? :confused:
Now i started to glorify my NC 2800+ once again :woot:
BTW: is the multiplier realy unlocked or I've overheard it ?
That is a very weak PSU for nF3 bro, it would have been "acceptable" on nF2 but I wouldn't go running it on your rig and expect great overclockingQuote:
Originally Posted by fr0stedflakes
Hey Guys!
I am really sorry that these things turned out to be Turdions. :(
I was able to talk my distributor into sending me an MT-34 instead of an ML-37, so I am in this with you guys now. I tried the Turdion without flashing the K8V with a new BIOS and guess what? It worked! Check out my setup! LOL
http://img9.echo.cx/img9/9589/k8v2yo.jpg
http://img9.echo.cx/img9/2117/k8v20ji.jpg
A nice and cool 35C in a room at 25C.
Wow, what heatsink is that!?? Is it better than a XP90?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
Wow man, you NEED a better PSU for OCing. Also, use 3x LDT multi instead of 2.5x. 3x is more stable.
Quote:
Originally Posted by fr0stedflakes
lol, thats the only ausus board that actually looks good.
but the pci/agp isnt locked is it?
and i see you have used pads on the pcb. are those from an AXP?
Well the K8v's that I have were free. So no OCing on these and yes they're from a palomino.Quote:
Originally Posted by reject
link for the 4/15 bios update plz???
hopefully there is hope for the ML's, as the MT's dont seem to be breath taking
vandi, no need to be sorry, we knew what were getting into.(although that doesn't mean that we aren't surprised at the results) nice to see you joining ff and i with an mt-34. these things run really cool. would be perfect for a htpc or as a upgrade for a laptop running a 81w dtr or 62w mobile.
i found nemo, here is the 4/15 dfi bios
westside i bet the mls are on the same process as the mts. i originally figured they were using the san diego process but the latest reviews of the san diego chips combined (1.4-1.5v 3ghz water) with our not so amazing results may indicate amd has it's own process/si wafers that are used for these turion chips.(what the cto said but i didn't believe him)
another good question that we need to get from an amd insider is whether this latest mobile 3700 nm chip will be based on the turion (lancaster process) or the san diego process. (if there is a difference between the two processes)
last, update on speeds. system was prime95 small fft 12+ hour(i stopped it) stable at 2646 1.65v. however would not pass 3dmark 2003 at that speed.(i am quite confident that my antec 550 is being squeezed for all it's worth. prob be picking up a new ps soon.) computer will pass 3dmark 2003 at 2600 1.65v. i think i may loop one of the graphic programs overnight to test stability.
350w may not be adequate for P4 Prescott and a 6800 Ultra, but I seriously doubt that my PCI video card and 25w processor is pushing it to it's limits...
Even overclocked, I doubt this Turion is drawing more than 60-70w.
wow that bios update helped me out with my ram a lil bit, go figure thanx tris.....anyways guys, have you tried a freash rebuild now that the cpu is burnt in a little take the whole thing apart put it back together and re-do windows freash install and partition, also tried with ide drives?????? and try it with one stick of ram.....the dfi's o/c better with 1 stick and also if you are using sata try switching it around, i think you can't hook it upto 1&2 .... dunno hope this helps
So....whats the final verdict on these ??? Are they Dothan Stompers ???
EDIT: Oh hey FoundNemo...
Perkam
It is a 1U Opteron heatsink. I doubt it is better than an XP90. I am just using it to make sure that the Turion would work. My temps have gone up too much so I am going to start looking for something better. My K8V needed a BIOS update in order to get into windows. Luckily the new Beta sees the Turion just fine and I was able to flash with the Turion installed.Quote:
Originally Posted by HKPolice
lol......hey perk....i think you should get the xp90-c they are supposed to be good, once i save up enough i'm gettin' one, and a better psu
Bro, it's weak... it's below recommended rating for nF3 (400w I think).Quote:
Originally Posted by fr0stedflakes
Not just the wattage, but Antec are known for having weak 12v rails.
60-70w? How much power does a 2200MHz Venice use? Cos you will DEFINATELY be using more than that considering you have more cache, higher voltage, and running (or at least trying to) 2.4GHz+.
It's the advise I gave to begin with and I'm standing by it... if you can't afford a new PSU that's cool, we're not all made of money... but don't expect your rig to fly just because you have a DFI + Brand Spanking 90nm SSE3 Turion CPU... put 91 octane in a F1 car and see what happens dude
yeh if anyone knows anything about the new 90nm 3700+ that would be good.
Vandi423: Is that a Nexus server heatsink? Is it good?
actually HKpolice LDT of 2.5x allows higher htt and stability when compared to 2x or 3x on the dfi nf3's.
http://img83.echo.cx/img83/9108/turionpass3sf.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Mats
Actually, no it isn't but they look very similar. Makes me think they were both made by the same company. I got mine directly from the manufacturer. The problem with this heatsink is that it is too small. There isn't enough surface area to radiate and lose all of the energy. When I PRIME it the temps go up to 33C and never come back down. However if I don't prime it the temps stay very close to the case temps. So I need a copper heatsink with more fins and a larger surface area.
http://img83.echo.cx/img83/9397/turioncool2zs.jpg
why don't you put a fan directly on the heat sink, though 33c is nice, my pentium ran a bit cooler than that (p3)
Because my ultimate goal is for a fanless system. 33C for passive isn't bad but it is not good enough. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by i found nemo
well atleast put some cooling on that asus heatsink on the south bridge (can't call it a northbridge cuz the mem control is in the cpu lol)
It will be fine. I am not going to OC with no AGP/PCI lock. I think I'll get a DFI once the final BIOS comes out.Quote:
Originally Posted by i found nemo
nice pics vandi. even if your chip stays in the mids 30s (after priming) you will be okay. remember these cores have the highest amd temperature rating with the designation of 'X' in the OPN. (heck remember it is supposed to be put in a laptop with much less cooling than your system)
a64 opn info
if you are still scared pick up an xp-120 and shave down the bracket.(due to being lidless) despite being huge and awkward it is still arguably the best passive air cooler on the market. (water doesn't count)
vandi just so you know, those can get hot on dfi's so make sure you have good cooling for the south bridge seriously i burnt my finger bad one time, so i threw an old socket 7 fan on it....even though it's floating in the air (twistie hooked up to a little hole in my vid card lol) still works decent though
Yea, I've been looking into that. 95C that’s HOT! I am not scared to break the sucker it's just that I eventually want to get this sucker into my car and so I will be testing it at 120F ambient. I still have a ton a problems to solve before I can get it in there. PS, HD, GPU, etc. Plus a custom case and screen (maybe modded touch screen). From what I can tell the voltage is Q = 1.20V ?????Quote:
Originally Posted by tristancarton
i found nemo: LOL twistie! Thanks for the input! I need everything I can get.
lol the definition of ghetto rigged is my ghetto rig lmao
OK so here is what I got:
TMSMT34BQX5LD
TM S= Turion Mobile 25W(S)
MT34= 1.8 GHz
B= 754 pin Liddless OmPGA
Q= 1.200v
X= 95°C
5= 1MB L2 Cache
LD= (??? Nothing "official" yet)
So anything below 1.2v we're actually undervolting. Everytime I go below that I get a CPU OVERVOLTAGE warning message from my mobo. Its retarded because what it really means is UNDERVOLTAGE. :rolleyes:
TMDML37BKX5LD
TM D= Turion Mobile 35W(D)
ML37= 2.0 GHz
B= 754 pin Liddless OmPGA
K= 1.350v
X= 95°C
5= 1MB L2 Cache
LD= (??? Nothing "official" yet)
ozzimark!!!!
Look what just appeared:
AMN3000BKX5BU
AMN3200BKX5BU
AMN3400BKX5BU
AMN3700BKX5BU
I'll let you guess what these are.
Just to give you a hint:
90nm Opterons Rev. E
OSA150FAA5BK
OSA252FAA5BL
OSA852FAA5BM
90nm A64 Rev. E
ADA3000DAA4BP
ADA3200DAA4BP
ADA3500DAA4BN
ADA3500DAA4BP
ADA3700DAA5BN
ADA3800DAA4BP
ADA4000DAA5BN
90nm FX55 Rev. E
ADAFX55DAA5BN
See anything in common?
vandi, does that mean you are able to order them? mmmm...mmmm...AMN3700BKX5BU (no money for it now but may be able to scrounge some up in a few weeks)
the real question now is whether these are built on the turion(lancaster) or san diego process. (i am assuming the turion is a different process than the 939 san diegos based upon our initial overclocking results)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tristancarton
Turion is a completely different process to ADA AMN AMA. If AMD likes to keep a structure (I think they do) LD stepping means that it is something different to BP BN BU BK BL BM. Turion still did pretty good with a 65Mhz stable HTT OC with decent temps at least right??? So let’s be generous and give Turion 65 MHz.
265*9= 2385
Lets assume 3700BU will do the same:
265*12= 3180
????? Insights anyone????
you're my hero <3 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
so now the speculation on this begins again. i think vandi's comment on how it's AMNxxxxxxxBU, thus not being a turion based core is probably right. plus, i'll be willing to bet that the 3700+ won't be the last in the mobile line..
so, if that's true, the question arises: which gets better dies, FX or mobiles?
if it's the latter... :slobber:
Voltage is 1.35v just like the 35w Turions, so if I were AMD I would just relabel and sell them as Athlon64 mobiles.
Then again, if this was the case, I'd assume the LD revision identifier would've carried over, but these are BU parts.
I'm thinking they are different to the Turions for sure... a 3400 1MB BU mobile sounds daiimn appealing actually. Well, a 3700+ is even more so but I'm not going to sell my kidney until it's absolutely necessary.
Vandi, thanks a lot man! :toast:
if its a good 350W psu its fine :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
im running a fortron 350Wer with an x850xtpe and winnie at 1.55v and 2650mhz w/o any probs and the card clocks to 590/630 wich is slightly above average, so no sign of the psu crapping out...
a 2200mhz venice with 1.4v produces less than 40W ;)
double cache means 1-3W more heat, it doesnt really make a difference :)
my fortron 350W is rated for 16A or 18A on the 12v rail and the rail is fine and stable and doesnt fluctuate at all :)
amd told me at cebit that their main focus is the mobile market now! they will keep pushing in the server market, but their main focus is the notebook market, thats where they have the smallest market share wich means they can gain a large part of the market share without too much effort while gaining more market share in the desktop workstation and server segment costs them a lot of effort. considering this theres actually a good chance that they test all their chips for low voltage and high clockspeeds first, and that the highest clocked mobiles are the highest quality of their chips after their speed binning tests :)
According to the table below from This article at xbitlabs, a 2.2GHz Venice is 67watts at 1.35v-1.40v and a 2.4GHz Venice is 89watts at 1.35v-1.40v... that is with stocks volts as mentioned. So when you push 1.55v+ into the core at approx 2.4GHz I am quite sure it would raise power rating to damn near 100watts...Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=29202&stc=1
Rabbi_NZ:
In the same review you see the actual power consumption, we all know that AMD's desktop TDP is VERY high. This numbers are measured with the mobo power regulators included which got a 90 % effiicency at best. When looking at this one you see that Winchester and Oakville got identical TDP and that 67 W for a 3500+D is just plain BS, it's more like 42 W.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/a...ice/cons-2.png