might be ur ram needs more volts? Just a guess
I just got mine from ZZF caa2c 0506, but no motherboard atm :(
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might be ur ram needs more volts? Just a guess
I just got mine from ZZF caa2c 0506, but no motherboard atm :(
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Originally Posted by ArcTan
It's a brand new 3500+ Clawhammer!
Shouldn't be the RAM. It's memtest stable at 3.3v up to DDR516.
That is great! Clawhammer AS stepping?Quote:
Originally Posted by formyfaith
I was looking at the AMD roadmap and if you look carefully, you'll see the 3500+ Clawhammer with 512kb L2 listed with a release date of January 2005.
I think this is what we have here.
link?
yeah, link please, why would they have that? There's no point in it, what so ever.
http://www.c627627.com/AMD/Athlon64/
if you look at the clawhammer part you'll see it
Just got mine from Newegg and it is a CAAZC. I will be playing with it tonight. :banana4:
Unless you go to a local retailer and hand pick your cpu it's like playing the lottery. I had to learn that the hard way, out of 5 cpus I got from online retailers only 1 was worth a crap and I ended up messing the pins on it up. :mad: So I said **** it and just went to my local Microcenter and payed a few extra bucks and hand picked my shizzle. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GregP24
So we are all getting clawhammers with half the cache.Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
Would that be like saying we are getting FX chips with half the cache for half the cash?
I hope so :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by clockedOut
Why would they have planned on releasing these tho? Makes no sense to me
I think to use up the FX cores cause they are making new revs.
Got mine from ZZF today! :banana: CAA2C 0505DPMW
Gonna get the whole DFI setup goin and try it out
Got mine CAAZC from the Egg. Im testing 260x10 needed 1.58v so far.
Looks like the 2C are coming from ZZF and the ZC are coming from NewEgg.
Got a CAA2C 0504 GPMW from zzf today, ordered Tuesday.
So far stable at 265x10 needs 1.6ish volts though.
Great, I got the same thing from ZZF :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by boostdfd3s
yeah
2's from zzf
z's from newegg/chiefvalue
eva's was a 2 and he was able to get 2.8 with 1.6 volts
i have a z and i'm able to only get 2.64 prime stable with 1.58 volts
with 1.67 volts i am 3d and superpi benchable up to 2.9ish ghz
Here are some very quick results on my NewEGG CAAZ2 SLEDGECLAWCASTLE......just got home......threw it together, and started pushing HTT........booted at HTT245x11........pushed it over 2.7Ghz and screened it........gonna burn it in a bit. ;) .
Stock volts on air:
http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/...22NewCore3.JPG :D
TEH NewEGG rocks! :ROTF:
Excellent -- any Z's running like the 2's? Anyone buy from chiefvalue instead of newegg? Same place I guess!? Is one a storefront?Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
^^ LQQK above your post ^^
Good to hear the "Z" can kick butt!!
I cant seem to get this thing to pass Super PI at 2.7ghz any voltage. I tried upwards of 1.7v. grr
Price went up
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Originally Posted by Gaspar
260x10 so far here. 1.58v is showing in Corecenter.
What should I use to HTT/FSB change in windows? MSI NEO2 Corecenter only goes to 250. This is my first setup that will go above 250 with good memory performance so I never knew Corecenter stopped at 250. :p:
Just ran a quick run with mine before I go get drunk, poped it in and said f*it and already hit 2.8ghz hehQuote:
Originally Posted by Nettwerk
http://home.houston.rr.com/nettwerk/...Sledgeclaw.JPG
Great the 2C's are flying
hitting 2.8 is no problem... it's just a matter of getting it stable :(
Mine sounds like yours... I got my xp-120 in and was getting great temps but I can't pass 2600 Prime stable. I can get to 2700+ SuperPi stable though... oh well. Luck of the draw, and I always seem to have bad luck... first a Winchester that could only do 2350 and now this! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by redgoo
Oh well...
Edit: Tried all voltages from 1.5 to 1.75 and it is totally unstable much past 2600. Sucks to be me.
can someone post the cache tab from cpu-z?
Can you post exact Stepping? I just got a CaaZC 0502CPMW, want to know if I should Ebay it and order a 2 from ZZF? I knew I'd get the :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty one, just knew itQuote:
Originally Posted by Lidocaine
If i return to New Egg will I pay 15% restocking?
Same stepping here. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Magnj
is your 2.7 on stock air or like an XP120. Think ill do any better than 2.65 -2.75 on one of the caa2c's versus the Z's.
Anyone know why some have Z and some have 2 and what they stand for?
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Originally Posted by Magnj
yup :(
yeah the one i got from chiefvalue (aka newegg) i'm returning cuz it wouldn't do more than 2.6 prime... 2.7 benchable... 2.8 locked up...
stupid 15% restocking fee!!!
ugh I have the worst darn luck. Maybe I'll Pick up an XP120 and a panflow, it'll be about the same price as a restocking fee and then i'll just sell off this in mid-summer when the new cores come out. Thanks for the input guys. Think I have the right idea?
Shim, tell me thats not under your prommie?
So, you guys want to return to your CPUs because they failed to meet your expectations as far as overclockability? Would it not be more ethical for you to sell your CPUs instead of returning them to the retailer?
rma it or something, then they'll test it, find out it's fine, put it back on the shelf and send you a new one.
well i have not opened it. Im making a judgement on other users feedback. I don't think you can return somehting after you open it. Most people won't buy this to overclock it so i don't think its unethical at all.
But yea I guess I'll get an XP-90 and a ncie fan and hope for the best unntill venice
Agreed! Returning, and paying the restock isn't too bad, so it goes to the refurb bin. That is, if it is part of their policy to allow that. Rma'ing on the other hand is just messed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by conrad.maranan
You guys have absolutely no reason to RMA a CPU that doesn't clock to your standard. If it performs at the manufacturer's rated speed, then the CPU is doing its job.
Newegg does allow for returns if you are not happy with the product, though. Personally, I'd rather sell it then lose out on the 15% stocking fee + the hassle of shipping it back to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazoo
AGREED!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by conrad.maranan
Returning un-opened is no problem, RMA because it doesnt clock like you expected is wrong.
It's the game you play when you overclock. It's exactly like Conrad's sig says! When I go to a casino and gamble, I hope that I come out with a million bucks. In reality, I know the only winner is the house (AMD), I can stack the odds in my favor (water cooling and/or phase) but in the end it's all luck of the draw how well I do. There's a little skill involved, but that doesn't account for the bulk of it. I'd say that if you can get to 2.6, that's not bad. I'm upset simply b/c this is the second CPU I've bought in recent days that has not lived up to my hopes.
It's all a gamble, you can keep spending money hoping you get the big score like everyone else... but if you keep losing, you gotta know when to cash in your chips and go home.
XP-90 here......................and there is no way of knowing how ANY of these are gonna clock until it's actually performed.................the architecture has changed over the years.................but the overclockability principle remains the same. ;)...............oh yea......HOW to overclock is a bonus. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Magnj
Just crack the mutha open and pour the HTT to it! :ROTF:
I'm returning and paying a restocking fee... i'm not telling them something was wrong with my cpu and having them send me another... so it's my loss not neweggs...
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Originally Posted by conrad.maranan
It's not under my prommy... just with water...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnj
Lido, do you htink i should get a 90 or a 120? I'm gonna take my chances. Even if I "Only" get 2.65 out of the thing i';; still have a kilelr Heat sink for a new 939 processor, thats my htinkign at least. Ok sorry for hijacking the thread ill stop now :P
http://www.johnshim.com/a64/cachetab.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
What was your max Prime95 stable overclock on air? on water?Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
Here are some screenies of my XP-90:Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnj
XP-90 side shot
Another shot
Top shot
:shrug: ...........either one, but I reached my limit on my other NewCastle, not because of high temps necessarily, but the on-die memcontroller teetered out early in the race. :(
my max prime stable is 2640 which is what i'm running right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ackbar
i'm benchable at 2.87 with 1.67 volts.
i've noticed though that this chip get fast really fast!
under my prommy, i can superpi at 3 ghz but not more than 2.75 prime stable.
I've got a XP-120, I didn't realize how awesome it was until I compared it with stock temps. I went from ~60 on load to ~45 on load!
What do you mean it's getting fast really fast? It's getting faster as you use it/burn it in?Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
thanks for the pics. I'll save the 10$ and pick up a panflow. Wasn't sure how far they hung over ram, looks godo to me. Thanks again. We'll have similar rigs minus the RAM and Video. Coolio yo
Oh go please tell me these get faster with burn in. That would be sick nasty
what temp should i keep the chip under? This is my first 939 build so i have no idea.
So far at 1.456v ive been prime stable for 25min at 2605mhz. This is on the stock cooler with AS5 instead of the crap TIM they come with. Temps reached 55*C
Thanks muchly shimmishim. Now how about postingthe same from CBId? Just wondering if they have disable the cache the same way as the sempron 2600+.
That's OK under constant prime with stock hsf. Keep it under 60°. I have the same chip from zzf and am testing nowQuote:
Originally Posted by boostdfd3s
Quote:
Originally Posted by Originally Posted by boostdfd3s
too many freakin settings in the DFI bios! :eek: So far the 2605 is my best. My 2x512mb mushkin BH-5 errors out in memtest test 8 at 230fsb @ 3.2v. Gonna try more in teh morning
Interesting that so many people are limited at 2600 (myself included). I think we may all have something limiting our overclock that we don't know about...Quote:
Originally Posted by boostdfd3s
I feel your pain :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Ackbar
Mine seems to hit a brick wall too, regardless of voltage.
I have another one on the way though :)
LOL... well, I don't have that liberty since I already bought this CPU to replace my crappy Winchester. Well, what I noticed is that this CPU really hates the heat. Maybe that's why it's so responsive to phase/water. I noticed that going from the stock HSF to the XP-120 alone got me from 2500 to 2600 or so. It's possible that this is the CPU you want for water or phase, but not necessarily for air... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by redgoo
Ok, Booted at 260 x 10 on my MSI k8N Diamond stock everything -- vcore I think only 1.456 in BIOS. Ran 10 minutes and wamred up and rebooted. I guess this board undervolts. Going to give it 1.5V vcore and try again.
I"m there too. Actaully, I haven't been able to get it prime stable at 2.6ghz. I haven't tested it above 1.6v, though. I've got a good WC setup, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by redgoo
clawhammers and newcastles should be safe up to 1.7 under water. remember that claws were 1.5 to begin with, right? i think these being fx chips is a very good possiblitity...
I've taken mine to just under 1.8V on air so far! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
Unfortunately... no change in stability.
well, then maybe like newcastles of 754, 2.6 is a wall. I have an older 3400+ that will do 2.8 with 1.725, but the one i am using currently, cbazc, will not go over 2.6 at all. stable @ 2597 1.65, but anything higher just will not work. tried different cooling, options, you name it..no go past 2597. Then i see that this speed is preset in the uguru software as well...i'm bios flashing and trying again at all speeds, and have 7 bioses left to try. something is preventing it from going higher, and i don't think it's the chip. winnies liked tccd...maybe these chips don't.
Well, if you get past it, let us know. It's oddly coincidental that everyone is stuck at around 2600...Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
you bet it's weird, and what prompted the new attempts. I thought it was just my chip, but seeing these results here, with better steppings, kinda throws a chink in the gears. I really want to say it's a chipset or LDT limitation, based on what i have seen, but when i tell others that this is thier issue, i'm apparantly nuts, or a noob.
I for one havent tried to take it past 2600, simply because im still learning the DFI board...quite a jump from the NF7-S ;) That and the fact im on the stock HSF, dont wanna put too many volts in her
Well, what several of us have found is that voltage basically doesn't matter once you get to a certain point. So maybe any cooling will get you to 2600, but passing it is a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by boostdfd3s
but if my cbazc stepping newcastle can do 2.6, then a caazc or caa2c should be able to go higher, at least a bit, no?
new newcastles (rev 0.6) also feature LDT x5(1000mhzx2) instead of the x4(800mhzx2), so maybe this change is what makes the 2.6 wall appear, as that is the only difference between my 2 chips. New revisions don't always mean higher speeds, unfortunately.
I've got both chips here right now... an original 3500+ Newcastle and the new caa2c 3500+ Newcastle, I'm going to test them both out on air, water and phase this weekend... hope the new caa2c clocks well :)
gocchin, may you prove me right! PLS! I got the 2600+ sempron this weekend, myself.
It would be interesting to see a comparison of the NC and this new one running at same clocks, I wonder if there would be a difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by gocchin
Well as you know HiJon89, I do a lot of benching so I'll try running superpi and pifast as well as bench 3dmark with identical systems only swapping out the cpu....Quote:
Originally Posted by HiJon89
Totally same as yours.
Except for the serial no. :D
I've also done some tests with a XP-90 + chilled air cooling
(I opened the windows in my room. :D )
and got it prime stable at 2.8G with vcore 1.6V :)
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Originally Posted by sauria
can you do one at stock, so that we get a 754 comparo in there as well? 3500+ is 3400+ w/dual channel, AFAIK...Quote:
Originally Posted by gocchin
must be the chilled air cooling that gets u extra 0.2G :DQuote:
Originally Posted by formyfaith
I am most definitely hitting a wall at 2600, everything after that is unstable and increasing the voltage does nothing. I can do 2600 @ 1.58V though. It's odd that even up to 1.7V I can't gain any stability. Could it be my memory or board? I always reduce everything to isolate it down to the CPU itself... at least I thought so!
you've probably just hit a brick wall on that chip...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ackbar
same as the 3500+ i had from chiefvalue...
stable up to 2.6 but no matter how many more volts i put in, i couldn't gain any more...
Managed to run a cool PI score for this chip :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...chmarks/27.jpg
what kind of temps is everyone running these chips up to? my xp-120 is working as good as i thought it would with this chip...if i go over the 1.55 voltage mark my temps are going into the 60c range and i cante keep it stable. anyone else with similar results?
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Originally Posted by Veedo
I'm seeing about the same thing with an XP120, above 1.65v the temps start really climbing.
I'm at 250x10 for 2500mhz with stock volts 1.49-1.50 with a temp of 43-45c.
270x10 for 2700mhz with 1.71v was 58-60c but is not prime95 stable.
I'm running my memory at 227 with 1t at 2700mhz and I don't know if its my memory thats erroring out. OCZ3700EB, but I read that its not so great in the MSI NEO2.
Using the stock HSF and AS5 at 2600mhz and 1.456v, i see 43-44C idle, and when prime blending i hit 58-59C. Guess its time to start looking into a XP-120 or a watercooled system
Prime failed after 2 hours at stock. Now that is odd.
these arn't looking so great all of a sudden :(
The only benefit for me is that I can run 10x255@1.55v........I think. Whereas on my winnie, I had to run 10x250 w/5:4 for the mem. My FX-53 wouldn't even thing of running over 10x245 at any voltage. So for me, yeah, it was worth the money. But I'll be buying a venice ASAP. I want that 11x255.Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptobs2000
:( Me wants 2.7
yeah what the hell happened? the first posts we saw on these chips they were hitting 2.8-2.9 consistently :stick: I still have hope though since mine is at 2.6 on stock volts :)
OT: Does anyone know of a sticky/FAQ that explains all the different settings of the DFI mobo? Im losing my mind trying to get them all straight!
I couldn't run my 3700eb over 220 in my neo2 without errors.Quote:
Originally Posted by RacerX27
Mine does 2620Mhz stable at stock vcore. Max stable is 2720Mhz 1.64v. Watercooled by a crappy BigWater set. 59-60c load.Quote:
Originally Posted by boostdfd3s
I was hoping for 2800 stable when i saw 2600+ at 1.5v .. but no :(
is it safe to run 1.6V 24/7. Will that reduce long term life on tyhese chips or is 1.55V the max you'd want to run? Or do these not respond to voltage increases as wel las some other chips?
it's all about the heat. 10c will halves life expectation of most electronic components...could be the SMD's that die before the silicon does.
Normally i feed my chips anywhere from 1.6 to 1.9v .. haven´t killed one yet. The procs can take 1.7 and 1.8 just fine as long as your temps are fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnj
I tortured this chip a litte while i was at work. 1.75v prime smallFFT for about 10 Hours. Running at 70c :D
Maybe I reduced the liftime with 3-4 years.. but who cares. Its not like im gonna be using this more than 5-6 (tops) months anyway :)
I say kill the NewCastles and Clawhammers.. lets get Venice or San Diego :banana:
Formann your evil.
This PC needs to last probably 4-5 years. So im thinking 1.9V = not a good idea :P.
So volts in a resonable range are ok as long as temps in Spec? 60-65C right?
Evil? No .. reckless.. maybe :shrug: :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnj
1.55-1.6v should be just fine with those temps. Of course the best would be if temps were below 60c .. like 50-55c. But 60-65c should be okay.