I'm glad you updated this MaxxxRacer. Who's the tard who thought it was a bright idea to soak for >24hrs anyway?
I think he deserves a konk on the head with his rad ;)
I'm glad you updated this MaxxxRacer. Who's the tard who thought it was a bright idea to soak for >24hrs anyway?
I think he deserves a konk on the head with his rad ;)
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Originally Posted by serialk11r
That's pretty much what I thought. The longest I had vinager in my rad, I think, was about 10+ hours.
I set up a little loop last night to make sure my rad was ok (pump, rad, filter, T-line setup) and it seems to be ok. I picked up the rad and turned it around a bunch of times and shook it as well and didn't see any leaks. Hopefully my rad is good to go. :)
how much? When I cleaned a tripple fan rad I used just under a gallon of the vinegar. for the Kamco, only one bottle is needed. Infact, if i read the directions right, for our purposes you would only use a small portion of the bottle.Quote:
Originally Posted by carholmes
As far as how much alcohol would be needed.. Youre guess is as good as mine. I would hope a gallon would be plenty.
you can fill up your sink or bathup with water, seal the ends of the radiator (the inlet and outlet), and then dip the radiator into the water. if you see any bubbles come out of the rad then you got a leak. But make sure you dont mistake air trapped on the outside of the rad as a bubble coming from the inside..Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaneS
Good guide Maxxx
I know condensor style rads are inefficient comparison. But ive currently got acess to ones that are 2 x 3 foot & 2 inch thick. I was thinking of jamming it in an open window & seeing if i can get some decent cooling from it. What do you guys rekon?
Is the fact its got about 30 square meters of surface area going to counter the fact its an inefficient design?
Has anyone tried using denatured alcohol and a paint shaker?
Oh god..........................mental images of 140$ T-chill............just spraying parts ever where............the horror!:shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leadslinger
HAHA....you can adjust the "violence" level on them you know...I'm just wondering is anyone tried it..beats the heck out of standing there shaking it for an hour or so...my arms would get tired.
Consider it your exercise for the time you sit @ the PC :-P.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leadslinger
My PC is in the basement, so I get plenty of exercise hitting teh steps, because everything else is upstairs, even the head.
Planning to clean my Pa120.3 :D soon....so isit ok to use pure white vinegar or shud i mix it with distilled water...n whats the ratio?
Thx
Forgot to add...how rude of me
"Thx for the Great guide Maxxracer"
No, Do NOT use any vinegar.
thx for the heads up Waterlogged, im a little confused as to why not or did i miss something coz it still says vinegar on the first page??
The rads now come with RoHS certification which means no lead solder. Lead solder uses a different type of flux which needed the added "etching power" of the acid in the vinegar to remove the excess flux. The new stuff comes off with just hot distilled water.
wokay...Thx :up: am currently halfway thru a 19 liter distilled bottle but there seems to be silvery stuff still floating each time,waters boiled :shrug:
Man...ive now gone thru 40ltrs of distilled n im still getting silvery stuff floating...sure hope its solder flux
Ok, so I used this guide back in the day (in early 2006) when vinegar was still being used and used in long periods of time in a radiator and water blocks.
I just upgraded my system and am looking to install a D-Tek Fuzion and Swiftech MCW-60.
How do I go about cleaning the blocks? Do I use vinegar as stated or will alcohol be better?
I know about the vinegar eating the solder (from rereading the guide) but I wasn't sure if this was a safe thing to do with the water blocks still or not. And before I go and ruin them... :)
Thanks!
just use hotwater with some isopropyl alocohol.Quote:
Originally Posted by thetoad30
When you say hot water and alcohol, do you mean to dilute the alcohol? If so, in what concentration?Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Nirvana
What exactly is the procedure I should use? Just want to make sure I keep my loop contaminant free.
Thanks for the reply!
Anyone?
Great stuff your'e doing guys , Nice thread , keep up the good work
Flush it with hot water first then use the alcohol afterwards.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by thetoad30
A bit confused over the cleaning issue here :confused:
Vinigar - I think I'm going to stear away from using this, from what I've read it doesn't sound 100% healthy for my loop.
Hot water - When saying hot water, do you mean from the tap? Kettle boiled? or ?
Distilled water - I was unsure of what this is... so I wikied it...
Distilled water is water that has virtually all of its impurities removed through distillation. Distillation involves boiling the water and then condensing the steam into a clean container, leaving most if not all solid contaminants behind.
Now I very much doubt you guys are boiling the kettle 50 times a day and trying to catch the steam, and it seems a waste of cash buying it. Is there an easy way to get my hands on any?
Alcohol - Pure alcohol? I searched Isopropyl Alcohol but thats only sold as a spray from what I found is there something else that can be used for flushing/soaking?
Kamco SYSTEM PRE-CLEAN - If I use this do I need to use distilled/hot water/alcohol or anything else as well?
Could I create the loop filled with Kamco or another one of the fluids mentioned above and just leave it running for and hour or so cleaning everything and leak testing all in one go? :idea:
:sofa:
If your in the US, distilled water is readily available in local grocery and drug stores. Not sure about overseas though. Same with Isopropyl Alcohol. A $1 at your local drug store (in the US, again not sure about overseas).
Skip the vinegar.
You can boil distilled water, that is the recommended route. If you can't, boil tap water but afterwards use distilled water or Isopropyl Alcohol (just to be sure).
Someone should update this thread, if I hadnt looked into the replies I would be dumping vinger in my system lol. So what are the proper steps I should be doing to get this done properly? Anyone care to outline them for me?
i microwaved distilled water :D (couldn't find a clean enough pot or kettle to really boil it :p:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nate P.
Would it be safe to just run hot ass tap water in it for so long and then rinse with distilled?
Kindly help me iron things out...
im on the bleeding test last night, i slept at 2am, listening to the music with winamp in my pc, then i kinda notice that my room is so dark, which is supposed to be some blue and red lights in my room coming out from the case and my saitek 2, so i then woke up at 6:50 am and checked why i have no music and no lights (from the pc) i open the sidepanel then all the liquid in the res and all the tubes are gone, figured out that the hose from the inlet of my chipset block has been detached, coz, i didnt put the lock of my koolance 1/2 compression fittings coz it wont fit both of it, so the other one has and vice versa, i didnt expect that the hose will come out like this, because it is well fitted, and cannot be remove easily so i didnt bother to put other clamps that may do the job. (laziness)
now, the hard part is, that all the liquid flowed directly to my current 8800gt, the xfi is wet, same as the 2 120mm fans down in my rad, and lower part of the motherboard including the sata cables are also wet...
would you help me figure out, if there's any possible damage or parts that ill never have the chance to use again?
mobo?
processor?
xfi?
GFX Card?
???
Thanks
help
adidassler,
I think you should better create a new thread, because it's a kind off-topic here.
But regarding your problem, you should wash your parts with a clear water (especially if you were using something else than a distilled water in your loop) and let it dry for a couple of days. Than try to run them... If it works, you are very lucky! :up: If not, tighten up your tubes well next time ;)
I did the vinegar thingy. :D
But I considerably shortened the time to around 30 mins. I let is soak for around 5 mins then shake it for around 5mins. I did this three times.
I flushed the vinegar completely using distilled water in between. The final flushing was done 3 times. I don't think it cause the radiator any damage at all. :D
a very good guide since im going for watercooling in a month or so! :D
Regarding item 4. Tubing is this valid:
"More recently people, including myself, have switched to 7/16" ID Masterkleer tubing which can be purchased from www.Mcmaster.com. Check out my stores guide for the exact part number. The reason for the switch is that it is considerably smalller than 1/2" ID Tubing (the outer diameter is 5/8" compared to 3/4"), gives a tighter fit on hose barbs, and does not loose any performance compared to 1/2" because of the smoother transition between barb and tube." - MaxxxRacer
And if so can you use those 7/16" ID tubing with your existing 1/2" fittings?
Yes. Masterkleer tubing is almost as good as Tygon, but much cheaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
yup you can use them. Gives you a much tighter fit. That mean less leak possibility.
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Fix the link 5 (=
(shows forbbiden server)
Thanks for the info!Quote:
Originally Posted by alo
I forgot to ask: will those 7/16"ID tubbing work with 1/2"compression fittings as well (Primochill/Bpower or Koolance)?
No. You can get away with putting the wrong size tubing on a standard barb because there is nothing with a specific size (such as a nut) on the outside of the tubing. It's normally held in place by a hose clamp/ziptie/herbie clip which adjust to the size of the tubing. The nut of a compression doesn't do that, the fitting was machined to use a specific size tube for both the inside and outside and those sizes must be used. To use anything else than the stated size, is to risk a leak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
running
this explained
good guide, a lot of interesting info :up:
good guide, Is all that cleaning with Distilled Water really needed though?
I am buying this once the cpu block is back.
Cpu block (OUT OF STOCK)
Petra's Tech Shop
Cpu quadcore Block insert
Petra's Tech Shop
Pump
Petra's Tech Shop
Radiator
Petra's Tech Shop
Tubing x6!
Petra's Tech Shop
Clamps x10!
Petra's Tech Shop
T fitting
Petra's Tech Shop
T line plug
Petra's Tech Shop
Biocide
Petra's Tech Shop
Total of this list: $241.41
How many gallons of distilled water will I need?
Why not a T-line? And I should buy 9.5 gallons of distilled water then?
You'll be fine with all of those components you listed off...I disagree with RRR about the T-line, run with the T. I used 2 gallons of near boiling distilled and 1 gallon room temp for my 3 rads. You should be fine with 2 gallons for flushing/cleaning and another gallon for your loop with plenty left over.
Start a thread if you have more questions though.
Best of luck! :up:
Thank goodness its only $0.75 a gallon!Quote:
Originally Posted by RealRedRaider
Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
One of my friends agrees with you tottally.
Hmm, I'm sure to have loads of questions later on. But for now i hope i can avoid all problems with plenty of reading. This is my first w/c build, hope it works out :D
Great guide MaxxxRacer, thanks for taking the time to put it together:up::up:
Is this kit okay to clean your radiator with? =)
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=24325
Hehe, sure, if you want to spend the $$.
Almost boiling tap water, pour into rad, let it sit 10 min or so, drain 1/2 out or so, shake like a crazy man for 5 min. Pour into a glass bowl, let it sit 10 min. If perfe3ctly clear, great, if not do it again, again again. Then once the water is spoless, do it 2x more with distilled water and drain.
That's silly crazy price for something like that and it's not needed.
Once the loop is built, fill and let it run for a day or two, drain and fill again if you need to. I always open my parts and inspect them and rinse them, but that stuff you linked to? Wayyy overkill.
What liquid are you going to use in the loop?
I think I will be going with some pre-made thing from Koolance. I'm not exactly a water-cooling professional you see (if you havent figured it out allready). :)
But if boiling water works just as good, then that would make a better option for me. Don't want to spend so many dollars on something I could get for free. :)
You see, here in Norway we don't have access to huge amounts of distilled water because some sort of Brainac figured out that it was okay to use regular, tap water instead of distilled water for batteries.
So it's not just as easy as going to the mall to buy some. :p:
quick question in referance to the order of componants in a cooling loop
i saw this
could i goQuote:
Pump>Radiator>CPU>GPU(if implemented)>NB(if implemented)>Reservoir.
so i guess my question is, at the end of the loop should i go in the res first or in the rad first?Quote:
Pump>CPU>GPU>NB> (res>rad or rad>res)?
and why is the rad behind the pump in the first quote?
Pump/s usually generate a small amount of heat so by going (Pump>Rad) it should have cooled the small amount of heat before hiting the (Cpu>Gpu>NB>etc>etc>Res)
I admit that is not always the case but it seems to be the best way & it makes sence to try and get the coolest water to the cpu first ;) To be honest people can and do try all sorts of different orders but this way (Pump>Rad>Cpu>Gpu>NB>etc>etc>Res) seems to work the best for me and many others.
Mine is currently (Pump>Rad>Cpu>NB>Res) Hope that helps :up:
yes it does help and it does make sense the way you explained it.
i was thinking thou, it obviously is a loop and it obviously works but pumping the water into the rad, the pressure would push it out to the rest.
there is/ would be no or only minimal loss of flow/ pressure?
edit: i am a bit noobish to WC and this is my first try tbo
i started out with the swiftech h20-220 compact and expanded a bit
i am planning to get a pump and res/rad seperate
here is a look
http://www.codisha.com/images/pc%20p...0(3)%20lrg.JPG
There's ALWAYS a pressure drop when water passes something (even if it's just a small curvature in your tubing. However, some waterblocks prefer flow over pressure and for those, it's not a big deal if you put a rad after the pump, and if you put a low-pressure drop rad like PA120.3, you won't see any difference even with an impingement waterblock (the kind that likes pressure). At least, that's my understanding, pretty sure more knowledgeable people will step in and correct me lol :D
sweet. thats good enough for me. i will check out the rad
Anzial, you've got it right.
Impingement blocks want pressure and perform better with the pump feeding the CPU block. Where pin matrix blocks still perform with good pressure but do not necessarily need the pump directly supplying the block. However, the Fuzion (V1 and V2) are special cases becuase of the nozzles and depending on the nozzle, there would be benefit from placing the pump in the loop so the pump outlet supplies the block.
Confused yet? :D
This is a topic NaeKuh and I have discussed many times, I will be testing this on my LGA775 CPU block roundup as an additional test to see which blocks (if not all) show additional gains with the pump output supplying the block.
Ultimately, the best loop is one that is as short as possible with the least amount of bends and is workable for you. The biggest requirements are: it fills/drains easily, bleeds quickly and you are happy with it.
i am looking forward to the GTZ block, how are they holding up compared to the fuzion and EK's?
i hope you let us (me) know about the review. i'd like to see the comparison and results
Marci once wrote in a thread that a rad benefits from the pump being before it because of the extra turbulence in the rad. I can see though that a "Pressure Dependent" waterblock would benefit from the pump before it giving it maximum pressure.
This thread by MaxxxRacer was an excellent guide that took quite a while to compile. :clap:
Great guide.. I just now 10 minutes ago did his guide for flushing my RAD. I have a brand new Feser TFC 360 RAD. and I did 2 flushes with Distilled water. Then I went ahead and added some Distilled White Vinegar.. it made some hissing noises.. lol. and about 1 minute later I poured it all out. and it was darker blue than in his pictures.. is that ok?
It's now sitting in the bathroom full of water.. I'm going to let it sit before draining one more time, then hooking it all up for a leek test.
Thank you MaxxxRacer for your excellant guide.
:cool:
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Minor question: why isn't this thread stickied?
You will find links to this thread and a large number of others in this stickied post.Quote:
Originally Posted by anonymous_user
Actually, doesn't look like it is there. I thought it was too. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by alacheesu
Look again, 8th one down from top. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
ahh, was labeled a little different. I thought I had seen it. Thanks again waterlogged. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
thats great info, really god for a neeby like me :clap:
Hello everyone
As far as I'm noobie to LC subject, I'd like to give my big thanks to you guys, especially to MaxxxRacer for his outstanding tutorial. It really helped me a lot with completing components and prepare everything. So I followed all information and bought components to my LC. Wright now I'm performing 1st step, which is cleaning. And here is my question: while cleaning radiator, does this blue color of spilling vinegar mean, that radiator is still dirty inside? And that I should continue cleaning?
Hi MaynardX, and welcome to Xtreme Systems!
Actually, most of today's radiators don't need to be cleaned with vinegar. Just use hot water for several rinses, then follow with a good rinsing with distilled water (you can do all your cleaning with distilled, but it's not absolutely necessary as long as you rinse it with distilled). Check the clearness of the water after your rinses, and you'll be able to see if you've anything left in the radiator.
If you've got any other questions, please do start a thread - folks are happy to answer your questions. Good Luck with your project! And, you might also want to start a thread in the liquid cooling work log section. It's a great way to get advice and comments on your build (don't be shy!).
Hello Shazza. Thank you for reply. I will follow your suggestions. When I rinse radiator with hot water (and then with distilled), it looks clean, pellucid with no color, also no "garbage" in sight. Just when I fill it with mixture of vinegar and hot water (procedure is half an hour with lots of shaking) liquid coming out of radiator is blue. That was three loops so far. I was wondering why is that. And thanks for invitation :). Greetings.
Geez, how many more newbies eating away their rads with vinegar does it take before we get the references removed? At the very least, increase the font size and bold the warning already in place to raise more awareness to it.
Vinegar should only be used as an absolute last resort and only for a 1/2hr at a time, with plenty of plain water flushing between sessions.
Good Point, Waterlogged. Am checking with MaxxxRacer to see if he has any objections to adding an additional comment about most radiators not needing vinegar.
Just for your information guys, I used 1 liter of vinegar and about 8 liters of distilled water. I don't know how much hot water went through water-meter. All of this for BW Colossus. Why this annoyance? But I checked ones again to the tutorial and found what this blue color is about, so thanks for help. I will do some more rinsing with distilled water and check radiator for any leaks, I should make out. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by MaynardX
You should be fine, as long as you rinsed thoroughly after the vinegar wash. The concerns expressed are just because current radiators seldom require anything as strong as vinegar. Also, some folks have apparently damaged their radiator by soaking it for long periods in vinegar. I've needed to use it a time or two - had no problems, but did rinse thoroughly with distilled.
I understood. Thank you Shazza. Bold font did the trick, so I'm shaking my radiator full of distilled water right know:) More of this dancing tomorrow. Greetings.