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Is it enough to power a delta fan?
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How much wattage can the fan controller spend?
Is it enough to power a delta fan?
You can use up to 1A in the fan output.
THere are many diferent models of Delta fans. Most of them can be used with the controllers..
Is there any news on the cascade controller?? I was told you may be looking into making something ??
Well teh Xe's I got 6 repaired today that makes 14 left to straighten out.. so far all is well with testing.. No real lasting damage.. still awaiting DHL to aknoledge teh claim and pay for teh parts and time to fix them...
That was incredible, I think next package will have to be double cage or a cage with an alu frame or something like that.
Cascade controller is almost ready, it took a lot of time, more than we thought, but because of time to do other things, like the Xe.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatty
We want to thanks Gray Mole for all his help in UK , you are a great guy :clap:!!!
:eek: What happened to your Xe's? did the courier drop kick it to your doorstep?Quote:
Originally Posted by chilly1
the box got crushed
If it works with 12v dc, could we not just bypass the actual power regulation and use a standard 120vac to 12v DC adapter? Or does the regulator also have other voltages?Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden_Eagle
The controller needs 12v for relays and fan, 5v for the logic.
you can use 15v dc if you want. but it would be ponitless in mi opinion.
Ahh, ok. I thought you meant that everything ran on 12v. So it just takes 15v-18v ac input?Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden_Eagle
that´s right
Who is selling the Controllers in the USA? Any chance of buying a Froster-X Controller (the larger LCD with 4 fan controls) from you?
Can I run it off my PC's PSU or will it require it's own power supply (and what type of power does it require)? Would it fit easiy into a Vapochill LS case?
Contact Chilli1 for the u.sQuote:
Originally Posted by cdelong
It requires its own power supply, the X takes a 15vac 500ma
There is only 1 fan controller on the G froster.
You can find all these answers in the last few pages of this thread.
or no fan controller for value :PQuote:
Originally Posted by {.bLanK} GoD
Well, my G-Froster Xe is ordered, just waiting for the paypal e-check to clear. Can't wait for it to get here :D
are the cables/header to connect to a DFI NF4 SLI-DR included? USB or serial??Quote:
Originally Posted by Ssilencer
As far as I know, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdelong
Serial.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdelong
Good news on the cascade controller :D I'm looking forward to seeing that happen, I'd love to use it on my cascade when it's all together :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ssilencer
And your welcome with the help my friend :toast:
If there's any problems with the Frosters here in the UK, be it shipping 'issues' or firmware problems or whatever I'm happy to see if I can put it right and save having to send it back across the water.
Cheers
Gray
Ps. Happy birthday Ssilencer :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray Mole
Thanks very much friend!
I think I will do a new thread on the cascade controller, we need some help on the routine, so people with experience in cascades can post some advice, also, as we had talk, I want to use an electronic valve, controlled by the froster in a single stage, I don't know if there is any for a single, but maybe a good feature for cascades, WRDZAL had helped us with some info, but we need some more.
Also, we want to give a free G-Froster Xe to the people in xs, dont know if as a giveaway or a contest price, maybe another thread for that too :D
We have another surprise for the people in xs, but we will talk about later...
:toast: I like surprises :D and realy looking forward to the cascade froster
Yippy it's like xmas, unwrapping my G froster X :)
Heres all the bits
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...1&d=1141276920
My Yummy lcd screen
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...1&d=1141276920
The power board has a massive heatsink for a little board.
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...1&d=1141276920
Controlboard closup
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...1&d=1141276920
And finally the transformer (robot in disguise)
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...1&d=1141276920
Im over the moon with the product i have received, delivery was fast (6 days).
Can't wait to get it installed.
Thanx heaps Golden and Sscilencer. :party:
What I'm always wondering about: why do you need such a massive heatsink?!!? I use an external 230VAC to 12VDC adaptor and ONE voltage regulator, no cooling needed at all, the 230VAC to 12VDC adaptor powers the fan(s), the voltage regulator all the other stuff...
Even the transistor for fan regulation doesn't need such a huge heatsink..
Just my thoughts, I dunno exactly what else you got on the board there "eating" up the power... ;-)
I think Golden Eagle uses triacs to switch on and off the compressor, they do dissipate quite a bit of power with a few amps through them but triacs and a large heatsink are probably a lot cheaper than relays.
The 877 is such a versatile PIC, like the swiss army knife of microcontrollers :D
Very clean design, just looking at the main controller board you have implemented a textbook soloution to the design problem.
I dont know what pricing is like where you are Golden Eagle but in the UK there are cheaper RS-232 level convertors which work just as well as the MAX232.
Tom
god I´m glad you like the controller, hope you find it useful.
soddem is right about the triacs.
the 877 is a graat controller as you said. but it´s geting a little bit obsolete from my point of view.
About the max232, we get what we can here. there´s allways some components out of stock in the stores, so we have to get some others to replace them.
Ah, ok, Triac for the compressor, then I know why he needs such a huge heatsink...
But yeah, the design of the controller board looks clean, maybe you switch over to SMD and can make it even smaller...but without professional equipment, SMD is a pain in the a... to work with...hehe...
Just got my Xe in last night. Im a little lost with setting this baby up. So i guess I need a transformer to power the thing:confused: Didn't know that, where would I go to pick one up?
or if you can find cheap dc power source that would work too.
X and Xe are 15vac
value is 9vac
we are looking forward to mak smd controllers. but it´s not worth it unless you sell them in really high qty´s
Sneil, you need an ac adapter for your controller. If you have any doubt about connections pleser reffer to the installation diagram.
I updated the first post of this thread with all the info and pics on the controllers
Does anyone happen to have cross-reference P/N for NTE or RadioShack even for the LM335 temp sensor on the Value? Mine's been flakey for a while now and I temporarily have the unit out so I figured it would be a good time to repalce it. My local Fry's only carries NTE brand and I can't find any cross-reference for the National LM335Z and I refuse to order one $.69 part from Mouser :)
Thanks
as far as i know, only National Semiconductor makes this ic.
Thanks, and that figures. Any ideas of a retail chain (RadioShack, etc.) that might carry them? Mouser has them, I'd just feel stupid mail ordering a single piece that costs less than $1. I am not even sure if that is the issue, I was just told to try it. The display has been reading "E8C" for months and I am getting tired of looking at it :rolleyes:
contact me or golden by pm, so we can see if that is the problem (it apears to be) and help you
Some questions with wiring my Xe.
1) In the diagram I connect the Xe to the PC PSU from the number 2 connection on the right hand side the diagram. How exactly do I go about doing this? :confused:
2) On the #3 connector beside the #2 I need to connect to the Compressor. What part of the compressor should i connect to? HERE is a wiring diagram of my compressor..
3) Lastly why do I need the ac adapter when there is a male connector to the PSU? I guess i can assume the pc psu doesnt power the unit so what then is the connector for?
thanks, I hope these questions aren't annoying but I can't afford to wreck any of this expensive hardware so please be patient when answering.
I drew a quick wiring digram, hopefully it will make sense:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sneil
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1142357034
See the above wiring diagramQuote:
2) On the #3 connector beside the #2 I need to connect to the Compressor. What part of the compressor should i connect to? HERE is a wiring diagram of my compressor..
I'm not quite sure why there is a connector from the psu, I think it is just to sense whether the computer is on or not.Quote:
3) Lastly why do I need the ac adapter when there is a male connector to the PSU? I guess i can assume the pc psu doesnt power the unit so what then is the connector for?
thanks, I hope these questions aren't annoying but I can't afford to wreck any of this expensive hardware so please be patient when answering.
Hey thanks. It makes sence eccept still not for the PC PSU connection. when you say "plug cord for PSU in here" im not sure which cord your talking about or what its supposed to be plugged in to?:(
The main power cord. The one that would normally plug into a wall socket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sneil
ok i thought tha was my "main power in".. so is main power in just the ac transformer?
i dont get it lol
where can we get one of these in europe?
PM ssilencer or golden eagle
Main power in is from the wall, so it's 120v or 240v, depending on where you live. I'll try and get some pics when mine is wired up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sneil
yes I am entirely confused now lol
hopefully you can get those pictures up soon!
Golden will get here asap
Sneil:
1), 2)
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/4...ections6sp.jpg
3) That connector is used to detect whether the pc-psu is runing or not.
Your questions doesn´t bother at all.
I dont use the froster to power up the CPU psu I usually leave it on its own...
Ssilencer, clear your PMs :p:
The connections must be done as the installation guide says.
carlzor pm me in case you need something. i´m seeing silencer tomorrow.
So what you are telling me is that the Controller will not shut down the computer with the power swich but only by totally powering down the PSU??
Yes, your are right chilly1, that´s the way it works, at least for now.
However, i´ll came up with new firmwares soon, so we can prevent any further troble..
Cheers
Thanks alot Golden Eagle for the diagram. So I need then an inlet on my phase change case to plug the CPU psu into instead of having it normally plugged into the wall?
Thanks again GEagle that diagram was a big help:toast:
How much is the Xe version? :-)
And how do I mount it on a mach II??
Just a quick question, where are you all getting the transformers for these? I can't seem to find a 120v to 15v transformer.
just look in your yellow pages for electrical retailers or something along those lines. Mine is 120vac to 16vdc.
BTW Carlz0r. am I right about using an outlet on my case to plug in the cpu psu?
Yes, that is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sneil
alright finally i understand:slap:
thanks
Ok so I have the XE 1.2 and everything is working. Where do I get the software for it? Can I just plug the serial port into my expert? I want to change some settings.
Also what cables can and cannot be extended. My sensor wire and my power and serial wires are not long enough. What can I do.
Will extending the sensor wire change it's reading?
Send a pm to Golden_Eagle about technical questions, send me a pm for soft and installation pdf
Woot! G-Froster arrived today :D Perfect condition, and great packaging. Thanks guys! :)
Thats great man
I forgot to tell you that I received today a mail from the canadian company telling me that :D
Wheres my 20 units???
Those look pretty cool. Nicely done.
I have a quick question. Since the g-froster changes the voltage from ac to dc afterwards, can I use a 16v dc adapter instead of an AC adapter with it? I have one of them laying around here.
EDIT: Well, after thinking it through, and checking the electronics on the board itself, it should (and does) work. But, I have a problem with the pc to g-froster communications. I get an error message:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ostererror.jpg
In Zarate city coming to Buenos aires cityQuote:
Originally Posted by chilly1
Carlz0r, contact me or golden by msn
so it turns out I need a new transformer. I've found a 18vdc plug in adapter, however when I take the voltage reading it reads 23vdc. I know the'yre always a little higher then what their rated for, but is that too high? Apparently anything between 15and18vdc are really hard to find. What type do you use Ssilencer?
I use 7.5+7.5v.
23vdc is a ittle too much, but it depends how did you measure that, if it's 23v rms it is ok, but try to get that 7.5+7.5 or 9+9v
See if you can add me and contact me by msn msporta@cvtci.com.ar
I know this will sound strange, but the easiest way to locate a 15-18v AC transformer is from a model train supplier.
They use 15-18v AC and their suppliers can normally source 9V AC transformers as well.
If you call a good model train shop, it's very likely they will be able to get you exactly what you need.
Approx. 20VA minimum for the 15-18v, and 6VA minimum for the 9V ac transformers.
Hope it helps.
Gray
BTW. We will have front pannels to be included on both, the value 2.0 and xe 2.0
We will have some pics of front pannel prototype next week ;)
I want 20 of teh ver 2 instead of teh ver 1
Not ready yet, front pannel prot. next week.
We have to check with you the specs of the new xe as you know.
Was just reading over this post and for the transformer in the US if you go to a hardware store or electric suppuly and ask for a DOOR BELL transformer you'll get what you want, I Think they are 16vac at 10va transformer but the whole door bell kit is only like $20 U.S. and there is also a door bell transformer that has an amp rating of 8-16-20vac at 20va I think the voltages are right been a while since I've put one in.
those are ac tho, we need dc for these units:(
Actually, AC or DC will work. It's actually meant to take AC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sneil
I was just going by What Grey Mole posted. And the door bell transformers will do fine. and look better too. (full encloseure, with screw in terminals most of the time)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray Mole
Yeah it's definitely and AC to AC transformer you need.
I hadn't thought about Bell transformers, if you can get one with an adequate amperage rating then yes, it's a good one too.
There will be a few different places you can talk to to find these things, but I know that when I started looking I had some difficulty finding them at first. It's very easy to get from the large electrical supply houses but only if you have an account with them.
Gray
Well, no, technically you don't need an AC to AC transformer. I'm running mine on an old 16v dc laptop power adapter and it's running perfectly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray Mole
Xe and X will work ok with DC voltage, value NO.
About transformer, I think this is a great bargain
http://www.allelectronics.com/images...e/ACTX-152.jpg
15 VAC 2.4 AMP WALL TRANSFORMER
that one is more than perfect for Xe´s and Xs. Perfect price too
I'm having some issues getting my Xe to work. Ive wired everything according to the diagrams I've been given, put in an 8amp fuse, and have a 18vac 500mA adapter. I don't know if its the adapter or not, I thought 500mA was a little low and the voltage reading of the adapter is @ 23V. First I figure I'd be able to test to see if the Xe would power up just by using the DC adapter without anything else hooked up, but the lcd never blinked on. So i just figureed it all needed to be completly wired then to work. So I wired it all up to the compressor and PC psu etc nnd tried to power it on and still nothing. I cannot even power up the pc. What am I missing?:confused: I wired everything according to the diagram below and made triple sure I had it right before I powered up anything.
EDIT: btw I just ordered that 15v adapter you recommended Ssilencer and taking this 18v back.
So you have it wired up like the following picture?
yes exactly:(
I could take some pictures for tomorrow, but that is exactly how i'ts all wired.
So I guess it should be working fine if everythings completly and correctly wired then correct? If so then is it a problem with the froster itself? This unit was damaged when chilly1 recieved it but he said he repaired it, but maybe there's another problem or something. Guess I'll give him a pm..
EDIT: troubleshooting with ssilencer through msn. thanks:toast:
My froster has been up and running for about 3 weeks. Worked awsome love it. Normally the temp reads around -48 under load. I am running a single stager on r410a. So temps were pretty accurate. Today when I started my unit the temp reading was -22 and it hasn't bugged. Even if I take the prob connector off the board it reads -24. What could be wrong and how do I fix it?
StoneRhino is there a chance that the probe got any condensation?
I took the mount off and checked. I really don't think it did.
Will the unit read -24 without the probe even attched to it. Because thats what it is reading.
Sounds like the probe might be fried. Take the heatshrink off it and check to see if both wires are properly connected.Quote:
Originally Posted by StoneRhino
I will wait for Golden Eagle or Ssilencer to tell me to take apart the probe.
Where can I get new probes why would it go? :(
Is there anything else I can do in the mean time?
you can check if there´s is any rust behind the heatshrink, in that case clean it and test again.
Ask chilly1 if he has some spare probe.
The Xe controller will show ~ "-24" if there´s no probe. I´m working on new firmware, It will detect common problems with the probe, like "disconnected" or "shorted wire"
StoneRhino, Golden told me you both fixed the problem already, I will be online again in some hours, I will have internet service room in the maternity :D
Just got this for a friends cooler I'm making. From what I have read in this thread it's a Golden Froster XE.
I don't have the slightest idea how to hook it up. This is what I got.( check attachment) Can I get some help with model, software, and installation.
I tried to catch you on MSN, but I think you were in the delivery room. Congrats bro.:clap:
very nice runmc, look good dont they
So ya will building a little single stage soon:toast:
you can download the install guide here
http://rapidshare.de/files/11247443/...Guide.pdf.html
Yes kayl I'm building a SS for a friend in Viet Nam. I started it today. I have a build thread at the other site. Her's another picture of the controller.
Nice isn't it.:stick:
runmc i got your msn contact from silencer, i hope i can find you online tonight
nice bro
I don't see a temp probe with your Xe there runmc..
My unit is finally finished with the Xe in it, just can't wait to get my hands on it now lol. Should have a cascade controller coming at some point aswell thanks to these great guys :)
Cheers
Boardy
Me neither :SQuote:
Originally Posted by Sneil
Thanks Boardy! the Froster cascade will shine! ;)
Thanks for the heads up Sneil:) I was wondering what I was suppose to do for a probe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sneil
Thank you Golden for contacting me about the missing probe:)
What is a good way to mount the LCD to the front panel?