Quote:
Originally Posted by IntelInside
I patched the super_pi with the prescott_pi but unfortunately I got error and cannot continue.
is this normal?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...erPI/error.jpg
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IntelInside
I patched the super_pi with the prescott_pi but unfortunately I got error and cannot continue.
is this normal?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...erPI/error.jpg
No LN2. I picked up a new X800XT and I will put the PE bios on it.
Got lucky af Frys, they had the Visiontek X800XT in stock and it has 1.6ns ram and Rage Theatre chip on it.
Ill try not to crush the core this time ;)
My 3.8E E0 ES will be here monday but I will still get in some runs on the 3.6E E0 in the mean time.
Adding a 600w OCZ PSU to the mix
3.6E E0
DFI 875P-T
Visiontek X800XT modded
OCZ Powerstream 600w
OCZ Rev2 TCCD
OCZ DDR Booster
And just for the fun of it all I may abuse a BFG6800U as well.
Meke if you are overclocked too far it will caugh up that error message.
fugger i've heard bad things about the 600W OCZ, i've seen reports of a few poping... might wanna wait with that untill OCZ gets whatever problem it has worked out.
just a heads up.
Impatient people should skip this post because it is going to be long...
Original SuperPI is compiled for generic Pentium even without MMX.Quote:
Originally Posted by chilly1
You said it better than me. I agree 101%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kane
As far as I know original SuperPI also does not show 1/10 or 1/100 of a second. So what exactly is your point here?Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
I will answer this with a question -- If it performs better that way then why the hell not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xassius
Example: Tomb Raider -- Angel of Darkness has 3 EXE files. One generic, one for Pentium 3 and Athlon (SSE), and one for Pentium 4 and A64 (SSE2).
It is also possible to produce single executables that run optimized versions of critical code paths depending on the CPU you have.
Or lets make it even simpler for you -- if you pay for expensive HDTV capable set will you agree to only watch regular TV program on it?
Problem is that SuperPI should have been written in such a way that it uses the maximum potential of each CPU. Much like VirtualDub for example. Soon reviewers that fancy AMD CPUs will start using VirtualDub as a benchmark tool because Avery Lee has ported it to 64 bits and those who will then say "it is not fair, they must use 32 bit version" will be laughed at. It is inevitable that the tests evolve along with the hardware or they become meaningless.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
SuperPI for example only uses FPU unit (floating point calculations). It could have been much faster if it had optimizations for MMX, 3DNow, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, x86-64, etc. Everyone would then be able test their maximal CPU strength -- that is what we really should compare. That is not favoring one or the other, it is just that everyone is using what he paid for.
Imagine two friends comparing the power of their cars. One has the engine with 4 cyl. and another one has the engine with 8 cyl. Should he disable half of his engine for the comparison to be fair? I don't think so. After all they are not comparing the same two cars much like we do not compare the same CPUs here.
I would suggest taking FastPI43 and building upon that.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
It is possible to do that and the library for doing things on the GPU called brook is under development so expect to see things like that pretty soon. For comparison Geforce 6800 Ultra can peak at 40 GFLOPS as compared with only up to 6 GFLOPS in theory on currently fastest CPUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Ok, lets see what makes up for a standard in a SuperPI case:Quote:
Originally Posted by CodeRed
1. Calculation to a certain number of decimal places (usually 1 M)
2. Exact result
3. Time it took to complete.
If you are not satisfied with the above checklist then who will decide what additional rules should make the standard?
Someone could insist on other things such as:
1. Testing under Windows 98
2. Providing a list of running applications and services
3. Using same type and same amount of RAM
4. Using same chipset
5. Disabling Hyper-Threading if Intel
6. Using same amount of L1 and L2 cache
7. Starting the test after exactly x minutes of machine uptime after cold boot
8. ...
I exaggerated some points in the hope that you will see how stupid that would be.
As OPPAINTER said SuperPI sucks. Why? Because it only measures FPU strength which is almost irrelevant these days when most mainstream apps do not use FPU code but instead use optimized SSE and SSE2 code for calculations.
That benchmark was meaningless anyway. See above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xassius
Original purpose of SuperPI was to calculate PI to certain number of decimal points fast and accurate. It was not intended to be used as a benchmark anyway. Face it. It is skewed. AMD has faster FPU and that is why it performs better in SuperPI. That doesn't mean that in general use Pentium 4 is that much slower. Not all apps use FPU in that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xassius
As FUGGER says it is probably related to you O/C-ing the CPU too high. Try lowering the clock a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by meke
Just for the record, my SuperPI result is 42s @ stock 2.8 GHz.
IntelInside, i think the problem is, is that its only been optomized for ONE type of processor, so far as i know, theres no SSE2 optimization, MMX, 3DNOW, etc... so optomizing a program that is widely used in a community for just ONE of the contenders is unfair. what would have made people more agreeable to your modification, is if you got togeather with people who had other types of cpu's, and created a version of superpi with optimizations for ALL of them.
the point is that the optimization is only an optimization for a certain processor type, which renders it uncomparable to other processors.
maybe you think it is useless, but thats only your personal opinion, many others think that it is a good guage of brute strength of a cpu.
NO not for a while yet.... need a 200L dewer for what I want to do.
But that definition I could run pifast for 1M places and absolutely smoke any superpi score :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by IntelInside
;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CodeRed
:stick: @ intelinside
Intelinside: if it was a crap benchmark anyway...why did you patch it? It's only crap in your opinion....
people are mainly using superpi to compare the same group of cpu's...like Prescott -> another Prescott...so patching it would skew results...since you cannot distinguish between the two...
OK there is no change but I make it run this morning.
it's still 14x275 = 3850 Mhz
probably stock cooler was too hot yesterday :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...b275_patch.jpg
i feel like a caveman :stick:
i get all excited when i can hit 2.3 on my desktop 2500+ barton...
Get some 3D scores up on the orb, lets see what that bad boy will do at 6gigs.Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
OPP
3.8E ES is :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Using SuperPI as a benchmark which is faster on AMD because it has faster FPU is unfair.Quote:
Originally Posted by pik-ard v1.1
I do not agree. Why don't you run it on 386 or 486 then? Because it most likely won't run due to the program being optimized for Pentium CPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by pik-ard v1.1
NO IT IS NOT A GOOD GAUGE.Quote:
Originally Posted by pik-ard v1.1
It only stresses FPU and because AMD has faster FPU it can only appeal to AMD owners as a good gauge because they end up as a winners.
But let me warn you, especially the owners of 64-bit AMD CPUs amongst you -- Microsoft wrote in the latest Driver Development Kit that legacy FPU code is not going to be used in Windows XP 64-bit. Only SSE, SSE2 will be used throughout the operating system, drivers and applications. Even their latest 64-bit compiler included with DDK (the one that will be part of Visual Studio .Net Whidbey when it comes out next year) does not produce FPU code anymore. You should find another benchmark which will measure SSE2 performance. Last time I checked even FX-55 was not ahead of Intel when it comes to SSE2.
No you could not because we were talking about SuperPI and not about PiFast. PiFast uses entirely different algorhitm for calculation while even patched SuperPI doesn't change the way PI gets calculated. It is much like Formula 1 optimization -- you can tweak the engine as much as you want but it doesn't make any sense to compare times of two engines on two different tracks.Quote:
Originally Posted by CodeRed
Is it? Last time I checked many people were comparing Intel and AMD CPUs (even in this thread) and that doesn't sound like the same group to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xassius
Useing a benchmark that runs better on AMd than intel is unfair? would it be unfair to use a benchmark that runs better on intel than AMD also? dont you think that Doom3 for instance is a very unfair benchmark too since it runs better on AMD? 3dmark2001 too! ;)Quote:
Using SuperPI as a benchmark which is faster on AMD because it has faster FPU is unfair.
And for your Information SuperPi does NOT run all that much better on AMD.
for your viewing pleasure.
AMD vs. Intel has nothing to do with the fact that your patch is not very much liked among certain overclockers..
Obviously you didn't understand me. Let me put it this way. If your favorite football team has strong attack but weak defense will it be better than other teams because of that? SuperPI result for itself doesn't mean a $hit. There are other benchmarks that can test numerous aspects of a CPU and not just FPU unit.Quote:
Originally Posted by macci
I would like to see them compared at stock clocks and not with some insane O/C using LN2.Quote:
Originally Posted by macci
Those who don't like it do not have to use it, But they should not offend the patch nor the author because of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by macci
I really hope that the serious O/C community for which I have great respect will find some better benchmark.
Intel Inside's opinion: Super PI sucks...let's ruin it even more by making an indistinguishable patch!!!!
If you don't like it...doesn't mean other people don't like it and you don't have to ruin it for them.
a what if, what if the optimization is nothing but the use of an internal memory handling option that requires a single instruction set to operate, would the optimization be merely a correction of a deficient program>
So, by your definition, 98% of todays games are poor gauges of performance because AMD is faster?Quote:
Originally Posted by IntelInside
If Intel were faster would it be an appropriate gauge of performance then?
Your patch functions as a crutch. It assists the needy. A true benchmark has an equal challenge / test / load on all parties. And thats all there is to it.
@Fugger
Did you have any issues getting the dfi to work with those temperatures. I've good contact and the cpu is cold but the board won't boot
cry me a river dude,Quote:
Originally Posted by IntelInside
life is unfair,
theres plenty of benches that love intel more than amd, no one complains, they jsut use intel for those
Hi Guys,
I’m on my way to reach 6.7GHz full info & pictures will be available soon, and who knows maybe a video :) :D
Congratulate for all the scores which you ALL have achieved
See you soon.
Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by UNKNOWN
OOOhhh that's soooooo mysterious sounding! 6.7 huh?
NICE unknown...what CPU 3.8 E0 Engineering Sample? What Mobo?
regardless... 6.7Ghz would be plain sweet....(not that Fugger's 6.3Ghz isn't) :)
r u in Dubai or Abu Dhabi?Quote:
Originally Posted by UNKNOWN
Pin that mans IP, we've got a loner on our hands :D
The 3.8E E0 ES came in ths morning.
3.8Ghz @ 1.2v stock
Lets hope the DFI supports it without having to swap processors in order to bios flash...
I will hope to max out around 6.66Ghz 351FSB
I tested again on 225*18 = 4050 MHz
The Super PI comes to 31 Sec.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...fsb225_x18.jpg
I connect to a chiller today and the water was 7C, but I cannot make the cpu drop under 40C.
I see 295 x 14 and 235 x 18
but cpu is damn hot.
SL7J9 Malay cpu needs serious cooling, may be ln2 for benchmark :(
Go...Go...Gadget! :D :banana: :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
6.66Ghz (666...the evil number...muhahaha) would be amazing. :)
May the force be with you. :toast:
bring out the beast of that:D
Wait a second... 3,8ghz at 1,2v is rather impressive...Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Is the stock voltage on that particular ES sample 1,2, or is it just you that have managed to get it to run at that voltage? :slobber:
http://processorfinder.intel.com/scr...ALL&CorSpd=ALL
First sighting of the SL8 series
I smell a new WR;)Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Here it is, getting new bios from DFI very soon to support the 19x multiple.
Im stuck on 18x for the moment.
Take a look at the second screen shot, notice the voltage ;)
Man Fugger, thats insane! I can't believe how little voltage it is taking to get such nice clocks
I'll have to second that :DQuote:
Originally Posted by detonator
Great Job Fugger!!!! :toast:
Is that voltage an error in CPU-Z?
Its off by a little bit. Might be around 1.2v
btw, new version of CPUZ 1.25v available.
getting stuff lined up for benching 3D while I wait for new bios.
Wondeful fugger...that's really insance OC at low voltage!!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
WOW
That is crazy low voltage for that overclock.
GREAT JOB!!!!!
holy :banana::banana::banana::banana: fugger, that's badass!! keep it up
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...chmentid=19498
:eek:
this is a reading bug, isn't it...
:slobber:
awesome!
How do they perform clock for clock with earlier revisions?
How about finally doing some SuperPi 8M (unpatched) benchmarks?! :slobber:
I get a very good feeling with this 3.8 rev E chip, Intel have definitely tweaked it for the extra 200MHz over the 3.6.
Shame there is not a 20 multiplier on the BIOS so only the cpu would be the limiting factor.
Regards
Andy
fugger, please, bring out the benchies ;)...
Quote:
Originally Posted by IntelInside
If working out Pi using all the available features of the chip was important to you then why did you not make your own Pi calculator / benchmark instead of making this patch ?
What did you gain by altering SuperPi ? Are you so enamoured by it's interface and options that you could not bare to stop using it, so had to make the patch ?
You're trying to appear the hurt party in this but I do not think you are innocent as you seem.
Regards
Andy
I'd like to download the video, woot...Quote:
Hi Guys,
I’m on my way to reach 6.7GHz full info & pictures will be available soon, and who knows maybe a video
Congratulate for all the scores which you ALL have achieved
See you soon.
Hi Guys,
these are the First Pics...
http://www34.brinkster.com/tbc2004/P45/tbc1.jpg
Still not able to break 6.5 GHz :confused:
by the way yesterday i got the new P4 570 3.8GHz...
http://www34.brinkster.com/tbc2004/P45/tbc2.jpg
http://www34.brinkster.com/tbc2004/P45/tbc3.jpg
if the PICTURE doesn't appear copy these Links:
www34.brinkster.com/tbc2004/P45/tbc1.jpg
www34.brinkster.com/tbc2004/P45/tbc2.jpg
www34.brinkster.com/tbc2004/P45/tbc3.jpg
New Score Soon...
i'm in Dubai Blinky...
Have a nice day...
MB ASUS P5AD2 Premium
Kingston DDRII 1GB
GeForce 6800 Ultra PCIe
Linkies arn't working.
nope...even copy paste wont work...
Well said Zakelwe, well said.
FUGGER that is S I C K!
http://www34.brinkster.com/tbc2004/P45/tbc3.jpg
damn high voltage for stock clocks...
Quote:
Originally Posted by UNKNOWN
I'm a pessimist...but P5AD2's currently have trouble scaling above 290FSB...(unless I am wrong cos I don't own one...)
say you got 300FSB and 19x multi for that 570...you get....5700mhz :confused:
How did you get such a high fsb on that motherboard? new bios?
OMG OMG 466mhz FSB!!!!
on that p5ad2?!?!?!?!! what mods? bios? need info now :)
that's one UBER overclock IF it is true...
http://www34.brinkster.com/tbc2004/P45/tbc1.jpg
Nice photoshop job eh`? :D
Somebody plz. check cpu-z code. (looks for a moderator)
hey if you think these are photoshop, i really feel sorry for you...Quote:
Originally Posted by bias_hjorth
you need to think again when you watch the Video Soon...
take care...
have a nice day...
still haven't answered my question....HOW did you scale that p5ad2 that high of an FSB??????!?!?!???!?!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by UNKNOWN
unknown, on this link: http://www34.brinkster.com/tbc2004/P45/tbc1.jpg
why do you have "9" above (between) M and h of "Mhz" under "Core Speed"...
huh? I don't see much :)Quote:
Originally Posted by death metal
Quote:
Originally Posted by death metal
9???? i can't see it....
Dear All,
Believe it or Not, because i don't care, and i will not win anything, at the end its just a fun...
have a nice day...
please...unknown answer my question or we'll deem your overclock as fake :p: j/kQuote:
Originally Posted by UNKNOWN
How did you scale the FSB on that P5AD2 of yours that high?
my money's on a fake... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by UNKNOWN
use BIOS ad2p1000.063 ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Xassius
have a nice day...
I'm skeptic...
very... too
doubt it UNKNOWN.....Quote:
Originally Posted by UNKNOWN
no one has gone that high or even close on a i925/i915 board. What voltage on the NB?
Any benchmarks? What cooling?
any pics of the system?
putting "have a nice day..." at the end of every post seems to perpetuate skeptism....but that's just me :)
why your cpu-z icon of the first pic is not the same of your third one?
That (1° pic) is not cpu-z 1.24 version according to icon.
Ciao
Wasn't there something about CPU-Z reading the Multi wrong? That would make it 18x363 instead of 14x466 - still hard to believe, though ... ;)
I'm asking cpu-z frequency checker to franck if he has it
and all of a sudden....the links to the screenshots are DEAD for me :(
something smells fishy......and it's not UNKNOWN's armpits (hint hint...photochop) :)
here is the original image I downloaded, this is not edited since i am afraid re-uploading and re-editing might happen...
Original Image: http://sleektech.nl/~dm/temp/misc/unknown.bmp
notice the "9" under his "THE UNKNOWN" mark ;)....
now I see it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by death metal
Unknown still hasn't got any benchmarks or what type of cooling...etc
bound to be LN2...which doesn't last very long...but still lack of pics/video/benchies?
In one post...he told us that he doesn't care if we believe it or not? If I had just gotten 6.5Ghz on my prescott...I'd be very excited!!!! unlike UNKNOWN :p:
FUGGER, do share the beta bios with the rest of us 875P-T users once you receive it! :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Results of CPUZCheck, seems the screenshot of his CPU lives up to his name, literally :DQuote:
Originally Posted by cpulloverclock
weird Cpu-z 1.24 gives the vcore, normally with a DDR2 config the vcore doesnt appear...
a faker... ahahaha betrayed by himself :banana4: :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Karnivore
and http://www34.brinkster.com/tbc2004/P45/tbc1.jpg ??
could a mod please clean up here, this is annoying...
its bs... :rolleyes:
come on, i didnt need the cpu check tool to know this was a fake... im mean how obvious is it that its a fake if some unknown weirdo that nobody knows pops up and claims a 466fsb for a board that is known to not go above 300fsb :rolleyes:
not to mention the lack of ANY details or benchmarks results...
i guess unknown has a 2.8ghz and not 3.8ghz pressie and a load of complexes because of his slow system ;) :D
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=19512
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=19513
wow
Somehow I guess we will not see the Unknown again to amuse us with his antics :(
The only thing now is to guess his age, I would say 8 or 9 .
Regards
Andy
WOW :toast: ThăÌng FUGGER rồi :banana:
:slobber: :slobber: :slobber:
Ok Guys, you can say whatever you want, and I can say whatever I want.
Guys I’m liar, cheater, and faker whatever you want to say… but get ready, because I’m sure all of you will be shocked…
Just wait and see…
Guys please forgive me for bothering and for making all of you think hard…
I Really feel sorry for you…
Enjoy your time, and have a nice day…
Best regards,
I second that. There's not even much fun in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by burnout
lame.....
if u check the screenies, the first one doesnt even have an SPD tab, and the second does, signifyng theit different versions of cpu-z, but theyre magically both 1.24
so lame... not even funny
haha go ahead "unknown" ;)
Anyway this thread has now 122k+ views :D
Wich is certainly Xtreme! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bias_hjorth
:grr: I feel sorry for him, I hate cheaters :explode:
I think it's funny, course I hadn't read thread until now. :P
:rotf:
you serious 3.8GHZ at 1.2v nice :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Now if only my A64 would do 3.8GHz so I could brag to you guys about it....Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
or wait a minute..:wierd:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19540
'grads fugger :toast:
The Unknown you need a girlfriend bad...:ROTF:
I dont care if you do 'shock' us. Your a cheat at the end of the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNKNOWN
Back to FUGGER's results. Truely amazing :slobber:
By his post I think it sounds like he's coming back..maybe under another alias? :rolleyes:
I agree FUGGER's results are very real and xtreme!!! :slobber:
Someone is jalous :)
Why are you putting this C R A P in this topic!?!? You think this is funny? He pal I don't give a @#$ what you post, but this is very and very lame of you. :grr:
http://sleektech.nl/~dm/temp/misc/unknown.bmp
psst, you betraded yourself :cool:
... no words to say...Quote:
Ok Guys, you can say whatever you want, and I can say whatever I want.
Guys I’m liar, cheater, and faker whatever you want to say… but get ready, because I’m sure all of you will be shocked…
Just wait and see…
Guys please forgive me for bothering and for making all of you think hard…
I Really feel sorry for you…
Enjoy your time, and have a nice day…
ONTOPIC:
two overclockers in the netherlands are gonna play with LN2 as well. Hopefully just succesfull as Fugger. :D
Banned Unknown
No warning for him.
good job!Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
FUGGER found a "floater" and FLUSHED "UNKNOWN"
C