Yeah but when its in the slot it doesn't bend.Quote:
Originally posted by huesmann
Is it just me or is your board exhibiting a lot of deflection from the weight? :)
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Yeah but when its in the slot it doesn't bend.Quote:
Originally posted by huesmann
Is it just me or is your board exhibiting a lot of deflection from the weight? :)
Hey guys, CHECK THIS OUT!!!!!
Think these suckaz are downgraded XTs? If it's not a price mistake or something.
Your golden....I wasn't near that...:DQuote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
Ok I was just gonna ask why it says im sitting here typing at 56c at stock clocks? With this huge ass heatsink on here I would expect much lower, lower than my CPU even (which also has the same HSF). I am on 4.2 currently, haven't tested anything gaming wise yet.
The previous max clocks of 450/390 with crazy artifacting are now artifact free. Artifacts begin very slightly at 460 core and I can run up to a max of 475/410 through 3DMark01 Nature with heavy artifacts. I was using CAT 3.9. Max on the mem before the artifacts start to hinder performance is 407 or so, for about 160fps in Nature.
Does this sound normal for this kind of cooling with no vmods?
huesmann,
I read the PDF file and there is nothing in there proving that it is or is not. I would call their Tech support and just ask at 1-866-883-5411
huesman, that price is ridiculously low. i mean 220 bucks.. that is what the average 128mb should be sold at. holy molly.
just go ahead and order one - if it isn't xt-pcb... might aswell send it back :D
It wont bend like that once he installs it. I got a little better with a giant II 489/414 max w/o vmod, but its luck of the draw. Nice job Soulburner.
Semper Fi, if you have some smart fan screws they work fine.
Edit: damn you guys post fast
Yeah, that's not a bad price. Even though I already now have a 9800 XT I went ahead and ordered one. I'm a sucker for a deal. Heck, if I find it to be a R360, I can hock it on Fleabay or something. :)Quote:
Originally posted by sky
huesman, that price is ridiculously low. i mean 220 bucks.. that is what the average 128mb should be sold at. holy molly.
just go ahead and order one - if it isn't xt-pcb... might aswell send it back :D
huesmann be sure to post your results. It says its "in stock soon". Did they say when yours is going to be shipped?
Shipping estimate: Apr 7, 2004 - Apr 21, 2004
Delivery estimate: Apr 10, 2004 - Apr 27, 2004
Looks like you'll have to wait a while for results. :)
Darn. I can't wait that long. Looks like I'll just get a 128mb 9800p from newegg.
Yeah but that's like Kamikazee speed, i'm talking theres crazy spike looking things shooting all over the screen.Quote:
Originally posted by Hollywood
Your golden....I wasn't near that...:D
I haven't seen "snow" or white dots yet, just all kinds of abnormalities.
I could probably run daily at 450/380 though.
I must have a really good 9800 Pro because I can run at 487/386 with little artifacting in 3d01. I think my max stable speed is 495/393, and my max in Nature is 500/400 :DQuote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
Yeah but that's like Kamikazee speed, i'm talking theres crazy spike looking things shooting all over the screen.
I haven't seen "snow" or white dots yet, just all kinds of abnormalities.
I could probably run daily at 450/380 though.
Yeah I wanted 500/400 too, but it just isn't happening, the core won't do it.
Then again I just got it yesterday and it hasn't been used much. I'm gonna game with it for a week or so and come back and see if a burn in helps at all.
Also this is not a volt modded card.
I'm thinking the CAT 4.2's show artifacts earlier than previous drivers?
3.9 never gave me problems in Nature at 460/390 but 4.2 is.
And ATI Tool is stopping at 425 core and 366 mem, that's pretty lame. I'm gonna go back to 3.9 I think.
hey guys i want to say thanks for posting all of the info about this card i got mine thursday and it works great i can go 430 /380 at stock no prob
the only thing different is the bios i used. i Used the saphire 9800 xt bios.
i also have cats 3.7 :(
i have dial up so ill prolly dl the new ones tonight.
Overdrive works too adds about 500 marks if not oc'd.
w00p w00p harbaugh! Im jealous :toast:
Sounds par for the course, pretty consistent results i'm seeing.Quote:
Originally posted by Ripper22
hey guys i want to say thanks for posting all of the info about this card i got mine thursday and it works great i can go 430 /380 at stock no prob
the only thing different is the bios i used. i Used the saphire 9800 xt bios.
I didn't use the Sapphire BIOS though, I just went straight to Hercules. Maybe I should try the other one?
I can do 475/407 in 3DMark01 which is equal power-wise to 500/380 (160fps Nature).
I get artifacts on mine at 418/380. This sucks. Im going to slap a water block on it and see if it helps. I know this card needs a serious volt mod.
Where are you guys getting your parts to do the mod?
The Mofo, the stock cooler just plain sucks. The heatsink gets hot but the puny fan can't cool it. I don't even see how that thing could push more than 10cfm.
I gained quite a bit with my heatsink mod, from 445/390 to 475/407 (with ramsinks).
Actually the mem will do like 430 on the desktop but not in 3D.
I'm talking crazy artifacts at max speed though, not just little ones.
Hey thanks for replying.. I get some pretty crazy artifacting as it sits right now. Basically, if i take it over stock XT speeds, it goes to §§§§. I think i got the biggest dud of the entire inventory:slobber:
I did check out the HS and it looks pretty cheesy. I noticed it got quite warm when i moved it from one computer to this one when i flashed the BIOS the first time. So, is it possible the water block will take care of it? This is my first ATI card, so im new at this. I had nothing but probs trying to install 3.5 cats from Rage3d.. So i bit the bullet and installed the 4.2's.
Where can i find the VR's and the heatsinks for the ram? I think this card needs all the help it can get. Thanks again.
Try the 3.9's.
I think watercooling would help a lot.
My XT was seriously starved for volts. Night and day with extra volts to the core. Memory didn''t need much to more to perform well and didn't respond well to too much voltage.
Mofo go to Fry's get 2 10k VR's and order either Tweakmonster ramsinks or find the OCZ ramsinks from the web. Someone may know of better ramsinks than these 2. Good luck.
Thanks bro.. I got a fry's in Fountain Valley, which is 10 mins from the house.Quote:
Originally posted by oc-rookie
My XT was seriously starved for volts. Night and day with extra volts to the core. Memory didn''t need much to more to perform well and didn't respond well to too much voltage.
Mofo go to Fry's get 2 10k VR's and order either Tweakmonster ramsinks or find the OCZ ramsinks from the web. Someone may know of better ramsinks than these 2. Good luck.
I am 5min from the Anaheim one. If you run into any questions (not that I have all the answers) PM me.
Hey i appreciate that.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally posted by oc-rookie
I am 5min from the Anaheim one. If you run into any questions (not that I have all the answers) PM me.
Well...my 2nd Sapphire is due in Monday and my GF bought me a 9800XT. So.....
I suppose I'll find a winner between the 3... ;)
Finaly got to run some benches. Flashed with Asus XT Bios on stock cooling with 92mm Tornado blowing directly on card. I lost my 3d01 reg number so I can't post a link to compare but here is the text file.
3DMARK2001 PROJECT FILE
PROJECT
Name 2199/440/770
Description
Registration Name
Registration Key
3DMark Version 330
DISPLAY
Platform ASUS A9800 XT
CPU Optimization D3D Pure Hardware T&L
Width 1024
Height 768
Depth 32 bit
Z-Buffering 24 bit
Texture Format Compressed
Buffering Double
Refresh Rate 60 Hz
FSAA Mode None
OPTIONS
Show Title Screens Yes
Continuous Benchmark No
Benchmark Run Count 1
Demo Sounds Enabled Yes
Continuous Demo No
Game Sound Effects Enabled Yes
Game Music Enabled Yes
Game Detail Level Low
RESULTS
3DMark Score 22516
Game 1 - Car Chase - Low Detail 291.5 fps
Game 1 - Car Chase - High Detail 109.5 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - Low Detail 416.9 fps
Game 2 - Dragothic - High Detail 218.9 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - Low Detail 306.9 fps
Game 3 - Lobby - High Detail 142.8 fps
Game 4 - Nature 147.1 fps
You don't need to register the program to publish a score.
Has anyone found the best BIOS? Are there any differences between ASUS, ATI, Sapphire, Hercules, etc?
I've tested all 4...all 4 work...
The only one I saw any real improvement was with the Herc BIOS...I dunno why...but it seems to yield about 10-20MHz more on the core. This is according to ATiTool.
My 2nd one arrives Monday. I'll let you all know how she does... ;)
-Holly
Well if yours went to 450 with ATI Tool, that's a HELL of a lot better than mine.
Mine will show white checkerboard artifacts in ATI Tool at 430-435, but the mem will go 410 before showing any glitches.
Using the "Find Max Core" option it won't make it past 425.
In real-world performance and gaming its 440/380.
Testing in 3DMark Nature shows the same clocks between CAT 3.9 & 4.2. I use 4.2 daily.
Games tested:
Warcraft 3: Frozen Throne
Return to Castle Wolfenstein
Need For Speed Underground
Neverwinter Nights
Legacy of Kain: Defiance
hmm interesting...
why do you guys think the different bioses make a difference?
i know hercules always went the further step to make things better...
Quote:
Originally posted by b0bd0le
hmm interesting...
why do you guys think the different bioses make a difference?
i know hercules always went the further step to make things better...
I believe most performance differences caused by different bios are latency related, although I've heard reports of voltage differences, nothing confirmed on my end, just what I've read. However different latency does seem likely with the various memory found on these.
Most likely its cleaner coding and a little hotter juice.
OLD OLD Hercules really used to tweak their cards. They never followed reference design whatsoever. They were the US version of Canopus inho.
Makes sense as to why their BIOS may perform better then others.
now i just need to get off my bum and flash this new herc bios to my card...
well i got mine, put my waterblock on it and my ramsinks, i can get it to go 450:414 or so with very minimal artifacting if any.
i was looking at the temps in the overdrive tab and it says somewhere in the 50s, while rivatuner reads them in the 30s? i think rivatuner is more correct but i could be wrong.
Mine says mine idles at 55-56c...
Mine reads this hot with stock cooling...Quote:
Originally posted by Boyne7
well i got mine, put my waterblock on it and my ramsinks, i can get it to go 450:414 or so with very minimal artifacting if any.
i was looking at the temps in the overdrive tab and it says somewhere in the 50s, while rivatuner reads them in the 30s? i think rivatuner is more correct but i could be wrong.
min had 68°C at 412 core 3d2k03 - with cat4.2 .. temps differ with the cats. 20°C less with cat 3.9... anyway.. don't use that overdrive stuff it maxes out at 418 anyway ;)Quote:
Originally posted by The Mofo
Mine reads this hot with stock cooling...
Oh, ok.. 418 is my max as it is. Theres very few fans in my case since i watercool but i thought the temps were a bit hot. Im getting a water block for the pig so we will see what happens.
well i did some tweaking and some more overclocking, i figured i can run mine at 500:435 through some of the tests in 3dm2001 with a little bit of artifacting, while it artifacts greatly and sometimes locks in other tests, it is also very dependent on my temps, it seems that if i just start up my comp and everything is cold it can run much faster than after it heats up, im gonna have to get my chiller up and running to see what it can really do.
What about Nature?Quote:
Originally posted by Boyne7
well i did some tweaking and some more overclocking, i figured i can run mine at 500:435 through some of the tests in 3dm2001 with a little bit of artifacting, while it artifacts greatly and sometimes locks in other tests, it is also very dependent on my temps, it seems that if i just start up my comp and everything is cold it can run much faster than after it heats up, im gonna have to get my chiller up and running to see what it can really do.
That's the one I use for testing. 500 is insane for no vmod, mine locks at 475.
i believe i have run it throught nature at 500, ill try it again later, probably tomorrow morning.
*UPDATE
2nd card
Shim removed because core was below shim .003 mm (Micrometer tested)
Alpha PAL 6035 slapped on last night 8pm
Went out dancing for 7 hours w-GF...looped 3dmark 2k1 the whole time
Experimented with ATi Tool all day long. Am up to 455.4/390.6
Ate Mexican for lunch/dinner...went shopping for some new clothes...Looped 3Dmark 2k1 while out and about at 455.4/390.6. MAX TEMPS NOW ONLY 60c !!! Rah Rah Artic Silver 5!
Never crashed...ZERO artifacts!!!!!! :D :D : D
Pushing past 465/390 whith very few artifacts in ATi Tool...seems really stable...gonna burn in longer. ;)
This ones a keeper...
-Holly
Will voltmod only vgpu tommorow or Tuesday.
Damn dude you got a good one.
Kicks the crap out of mine.
You may of just gotten a second lease on life ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
Damn dude you got a good one.
Kicks the crap out of mine.
...You have a PM :toast:
Damn....I think I also have to try one of these! You infected me :-D
should this be a sticky?
i wouldn't mind it being a sticky, hint hint :)
anyway.. today my rma'd 9800pro 256mb ddr2 was due, so i was getting pretty excited when i got the message at work that the parcel had been delivered. so i raced home, tore the package open and what did i find? a phacking 128mb card... sapphire 9800 pro 128mb ddr - there's some that even these cards own and get the r360 core since the r350 is to run out, but i doubt that.
anyway.. i didn't open the box, since it's a farking 128mb card.. oh my... yet another week to wait.. so i mailed the shop and demanded a replacement, pronto. oh my oh my...
i... i see dumb people :(
i am about to go havoc.
and i was about to slap a p4 3.0 boxed cooler onto my 9800 but it wasn't to be - at least not yet.
bah just wanted to let you guys know... aaaah (meh is one p'ssd of mofo atm)
I don't think it needs to be a sticky, we have enough already...
This seems to be of enough interest, its staying on the 1st page by itself. And if someone wants to find it the search wouldn't have a problem tracking it down...
Not sticky worthy, too lengthy and brand/model specific IMHO. I like your thinking though sky and bobdole, there IS some good info in here.
soulburner, zippyc
i hear you and you're right, of course.. wouldn't have minded my first sticky (but only for that reason ;) )..
oh on another note.. is anyone around able to verify the 128mb -> xt thingy? well i have a 9800/128 in a box right now, but i probably won't open it until tomorrow (if at all). i've heard of ppl flashing a 128mb xt-bios onto these and they've gotten some neat results. in case someone is wondering, there actually IS an xt-bios for 128mb cards. i got 6 of them around, just no webspace that will allow me hosting them.. mine only allows bitmaps and checks them - so renaming won't cut it - i tried "doesn't appear to be a valid bmp (png, jpg, whatever)" grrrr.
k. this is the list of 128mb xt-bios' i've got - i didn't test any of those:
ATI.9800XT.128MB.Samsung.E-die.bin
Gigabyte.9800XT.128MB.Samsung.bin
GigaCube.9800XT.128MB.Samsung.E-die.bin
Hercules.9800XT.128MB.Samsung.bin
HIS.9800XT.128MB.Samsung.bin
Sapphire.9800XT.128MB.Samsung.E-die.bin
these were taken from some japanese website - don't remember the url anymore and might (dunno about it) just be edited 256mb bios to fit onto the 128mb pro-cards. but i don't know that. if anyone wants to try those or host them (or both) drop me a line...
i will host them! -> got pm
sky,
I got those bios as well & they're relabeled 9800pro bios iirc.
You can find more here:
Clicky here for 9800XT 128MB Bios
Not much use except for a "128MB 9800XT" in your device manager imo.
My thread on 128MB 9800pro Bios here:
Original Powercolor 9800pro bios @ 412/730 = 20334Quote:
Originally posted by The Stilt
All these fakes are made by me. Genuine 9800XT bios wouldnt do anything that XT modded Pro bios wouldnt do...
Pick which one you like best...
One of the Samsung E-Die 128MB 9800XT Bios = 20314
Just selected the 4 Game Tests & let them run, no trying to get highest score possible...
:2cents:
edit:
I was a little bit rude in my thread, that's why the term "fakes" was used by "The Stilt"....
@ minnyboy: no changes in overclockability? driver features? :(
thanx for postin a link to those bios Minny,
ill be tryin em on my pro
Nah mate, not for me.Quote:
Originally posted by Goldlocke
@ minnyboy: no changes in overclockability? driver features? :(
Others have reported getting higher mem OC's but I didn't. iirc, the ram started artifacting on mine at 400 while my original Powercolor (as well as the GeCube 9800pro eXtreme bios I used) got through 405 (up to 410 for some tests) with "less" artifacts...
I'd suggest you either back up your original bios or d/load the version you have from OCfaq, put it on that floppy & then test out the different 128MB XT bios available to see if you gain any more mhz....That's if you wanna give it a shot.
I still think that it's worth a shot to see if you can agin anything but unfortunately for me, it didn't work out.
No Overdrive as well unless you have those 256MB Sapphire relabeled XT's with the 3pin fans.
BTW, I tested with the latest drivers available at the time (3.8's or 3.9's me thinks) as well as forcing the 3.1's to work with my VC.
mirror for R9800XT -> Pro biosfiles up!
I don't know if they are the same files as above...just check it out
click here!
card #2 arrived. core goes a little higher with stock hs, memory craps out somewhat earlier than card #1. doh. 423/389. anyway i'll start measuring voltages tomorrow and hook a biggo fan to it. if i can get hold of one, i'll use a p4 3.0 boxed cooler on it :D we'll see. so far the card does ok...
got a 9800p /128 to toy around with aswell :D (darn shop did send the wrong card, a 128mb pro, as replacement for #1, lol)
thing worth mentioning is the core temp is about 10°C lower with this card and same cats (4.2) than the last one.. fully loaded i'm at 58-59°C whereas my first card had 68-69°C... hmmm better contact to the hs?
so did you vmod it yet and if so, what results / improvements did you get? my 2nd card - so far unmodded - acts pretty much like my 1st. with the difference being temps are lower and with a 120mm fan blowing at the stock hs, i can clock higher ~428.Quote:
Originally posted by Hollywood
Will voltmod only vgpu tommorow or Tuesday.
i'd really like to see if you got the same issues with the xt-vgpu mod i encountered with card #1 or not.
Man...I've been totally burdened with Mid-terms and teaching lab classes all week. I'm gonna voltmod when I get some freetime on Sunday. Thanks for reminding me though, as I almost forgot!Quote:
Originally posted by sky
so did you vmod it yet and if so, what results / improvements did you get? my 2nd card - so far unmodded - acts pretty much like my 1st. with the difference being temps are lower and with a 120mm fan blowing at the stock hs, i can clock higher ~428.
i'd really like to see if you got the same issues with the xt-vgpu mod i encountered with card #1 or not.
-Holly
P.S. - Since the vdimm mod on my first one didn't really do crap....I think I'm just gonna do vgpu first and take it nice and slow...Don't need to cook another one. ;)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7652502
I just fried mine trying to get 24k on stock Bios. Bumped the volts from 1.98 to 2.1 and it sizzled. Didn't get a chance to flash it before I killed it!!! 510\405 with vgpu mod and Chilled water on a 80 watt TEC. Score could have been much better but I need a sata controler cause the on board craps out at 225 fsb. I got 2 so I will try agian next weekend.
so your 256mb pro let you vmod it? good to know :D, also sad to see/hear your card deceased. i've measured the voltages on my 2nd 256mb pro and well.. the vref is behaving just like the old one, so i guess that is either normal for these cards ;) or that's why they are being relabeled. vgpu was way lower on idle than my first card - it idles at ~1.720v going up under load to approx 1.77v but only on very few occasions below the 1.72v. aite.. and with this card i've seen improvement with increased cooling. running a 120mm fan at 7v to blow at the stock heatsink gave me a less artifacts at the same speed. increasing the fan speed to full throttle at 12v gave me even higher clocks without artifacts :D and this heatsink doesn't move around on the core like the old one did. also it seems to sit flat on the shim whereas my first card allowed you a pretty good view of the side of the core above the shim and below the heatsink... to bad the mem craps out ~20 mhz lower than the last one.Quote:
Originally posted by 2fast4u
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7652502
I just fried mine trying to get 24k on stock Bios. Bumped the volts from 1.98 to 2.1 and it sizzled. Didn't get a chance to flash it before I killed it!!! 510\405 with vgpu mod and Chilled water on a 80 watt TEC. Score could have been much better but I need a sata controler cause the on board craps out at 225 fsb. I got 2 so I will try agian next weekend.
2fast4you, did you use the vpgu-voltmod shown in the 9800xt thread on your card that died? if so, you don't happen to have any pics? thanks.
hollywood, looking forward to hearing of your experiences with the vgpu mod on your card!
just picked up a refurbished sapphire 9800pro/256 at newegg($229),but I had to get up early this sunday morning to look for it.
seems like newegg likes to post their refurbished items after midnight!(PST)
I've got a Sapphire 9800PRO with 128MB DDR, looked at the core and it says R360, memory is the Samsung GC2A rated for 350/700.
Ah hell, it'll still OC nice :D too bad there aren't any mods for them (modded XT BIOS for 128MB cards).
Back
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a94015...sung.E-die.bin ?Quote:
Originally posted by hallowen
just picked up a refurbished sapphire 9800pro/256 at newegg($229),but I had to get up early this sunday morning to look for it.
seems like newegg likes to post their refurbished items after midnight!(PST)
Could you test it PLZ gilles, I might be interested in your particular card if this mod works ;)
Grtz,
BD
yea, got one like that by accident - tested it and it oc'es like crap! not even xt-clocks with stock cooling and much airflow - 120mm delta afb @12v. ati tool started artifacting at 414 core - so the usable value would be a good deal below that - and that was artifacting without heating it up before! - mem didn't go far either .. ~380. so after testing i decided to keep my 256mb pro xt layout - given proper cooling it will go far :D. stock heatsink and good airflow (see above, 12v delta afb) it went to 430/385.
tried the hercules xt bios on it and it would lower clocks for me - only about 422 (pfff) ;)
oh.. here's a pic of that crappy 128mb - pretty close to your card regarding serial no... week 0406...
http://www.abi02.de/deepblue2k2/hard...0rear%2001.jpg
oh and your card having an r360 core on it seems to be a proof for a theory i've been hearing lately - that there's only r360 cores around and that the actual r350 core isn't being produced anymore. *rumour* not (yet) verified!.
I used the guide from the 9800xt thread. Voltage seemed to fluctuate alot under load. I will get some pics up tonight. I was running the 9800 pro stock bios. I had my pump too close to the floppy and it seems to have screwed it up as I can't get anything to boot from it so I can't flash. I think these cards have real potential with xtreme cooling and xtreme volts, I just went a little too far!!Quote:
Originally posted by sky
2fast4you, did you use the vpgu-voltmod shown in the 9800xt thread on your card that died? if so, you don't happen to have any pics? thanks.
I'll check it on wednesdayQuote:
Originally posted by Belgian_Dude
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a94015...sung.E-die.bin ?
Could you test it PLZ gilles, I might be interested in your particular card if this mod works ;)
Grtz,
BD
oh btw.. in case someone wants to try.. don't try running the vidmem on your 9800pro at cl3 - i edited the ati25hynix xt bios from cl2 to cl3 and flashed - *bad idea* - screen all mumbojumbo garbled and stuff and i had to preform an almost-blind flash back to the real cl2 ati xt bios ;)... wanted to see if higher latencies might go make for higher memclocks and what the difference in performance at same clocks between cl2 and cl3 on vidmem was... turned out it's a no-go ;)
k. did you measure your vref? where was it at? on both my cards it was somewhere around 1.505v at idle (no matter what clocks) and swinging between 1.46-1.56v. in mother nature (3d2k3) it was basically swinging between 1.5 and 1.56v whereas all the other tests & all of 3d2k1 was between 1.46 and 1.52v vref.Quote:
Originally posted by 2fast4u
I used the guide from the 9800xt thread. Voltage seemed to fluctuate alot under load. I will get some pics up tonight. I was running the 9800 pro stock bios. I had my pump too close to the floppy and it seems to have screwed it up as I can't get anything to boot from it so I can't flash. I think these cards have real potential with xtreme cooling and xtreme volts, I just went a little too far!!
just wanted to check if this is kinda normal / typical for these cards and if you encountered any other strange behaviours regarding voltages.
tia
Just for a little clarification...Quote:
Originally posted by sky
oh btw.. in case someone wants to try.. don't try running the vidmem on your 9800pro at cl3 - i edited the ati25hynix xt bios from cl2 to cl3 and flashed - *bad idea* - screen all mumbojumbo garbled and stuff and i had to preform an almost-blind flash back to the real cl2 ati xt bios ;)... wanted to see if higher latencies might go make for higher memclocks and what the difference in performance at same clocks between cl2 and cl3 on vidmem was... turned out it's a no-go ;)
k. did you measure your vref? where was it at? on both my cards it was somewhere around 1.505v at idle (no matter what clocks) and swinging between 1.46-1.56v. in mother nature (3d2k3) it was basically swinging between 1.5 and 1.56v whereas all the other tests & all of 3d2k1 was between 1.46 and 1.52v vref.
just wanted to check if this is kinda normal / typical for these cards and if you encountered any other strange behaviours regarding voltages.
tia
What exactly does Vref do??? Boost the overall voltage to the cards subsystems???
Interesting ctgilles, but the PCB is still Pro....
GOOD NEWS!! IT'S STILL ALIVE!!!Quote:
Originally posted by 2fast4u
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7652502
I just fried mine trying to get 24k on stock Bios. Bumped the volts from 1.98 to 2.1 and it sizzled. Didn't get a chance to flash it before I killed it!!! 510\405 with vgpu mod and Chilled water on a 80 watt TEC. Score could have been much better but I need a sata controler cause the on board craps out at 225 fsb. I got 2 so I will try agian next weekend.
I took the TEC off and the volt mod and decided to try and revive it. It worked! The only thing is that the vgpu is now at 1.4 volts. It won't be much of a clocker at that voltage.
Sounds like you could have killed some caps or power circuitry of some sort...
I purchased a Newegg refurbed Saphire 9800 Pro 256mb, OEM on mar 15th for 228.00, free shipping. Got it today and after making sure it would overclock to XT levels, and the chipset read r360, flashed it to ATI 9800XT hynix ram bios. It's happily playing Farcry at 1024x res with highest video settings. So far, the slowest I have seen in Farcry has been 53 fps using Fraps. It still wont do Farcry at 1280x1024 on highest settings, but will on high setting. But seeing fps get down to 27-28fps. Still very Playable.
UT2004 is at 1280x1024, everything maxed out, never gets below 150fps. I am also using the Omega 2.5.22 drivers at high quality.
I changed from an ATI 9700 pro and don't let anyone tell you that it's not worth the upgrade from a 9700 pro to a 9800 pro. BIG difference. Even the IQ is noticeablely better.
As far as overclocking goes, the best the core will do is 414 and the memory will hit 389 with no artifacts. This is with stock cooling. I am going to tap my old Alpha PAl 66 to fit and cut some ramsinks just to cool it down, not for overclocking. Overdrive says 68C after 45-50 m inutes of UT2k4. Too hot for my tastes. And I have a 120mm Panaflo blowing directly onto the vidcard.
Haven't loaded up 3DMark cause there's a lot people showing scores with comparable systems, so I feel that I am close.
Main Rig:
AMD 2400+ Mobile at 2532mhz (211x12) 1.825vcore
Gigabyte 700n pro2 mb NF2
1gb Mushkin 3200 lvl 2 at 2-3-3-10 2.8vdimm
1 WD Raptor 36gb Sata (system drive)
1 WD 160gb sata (no raid)
4 WDJ 120 ide
Pioneer slot load 16x DVD
Liteon 851s 8x dvd-rw
Digital Doc 5
Water cooled w/2 Black Ice Extreme rads and 2 Panaflow 120mm 1A's (one is blowhole, one is backplane mounted)
robowang, install rivatuner and read the more-realworld like temps there. control tab shows me 56°C while riva says 36°C - and rivatuner actually reads another temp and it also shows decimals not just the fat numbers... btw nice fps in farcry. my old palo1800+ running default speeds give me something like 30fps min with the 9800 @slightly below xt-speeds... oh and core temps go up then to 42°C on both my cpu and my gpu :)
I'll bet the 128mb Pro's that have the R360 core(apparently there are some of floating around), are the one's that like the XT BIOS flash. That might explain why some people have good luck with the flash while many others do not.
Hey 2fast better talk to that guy from the XT vmod thread that revived his XT:D
hey guys,
Just got my refurbished(looks brand new!) 9800pro from newegg.
It DOES have the hynix 2.5 memory chips and the r360 core!
Flashed the XT bios and got 440/375 with no artifacts with stock cooling. can't wait to put my MCW50-T on it to cool it down!
what other program besides rivatuner do you use to monitor taemperature of the card? ATM,I'm using atitool,but I don't think it has a temp indicator.
I haven't loaded rivatuner yet because the omega guy says it may have conflicts with his driver. So, at this time, I am stuck with overdrive.
If the chipset hadn't said r360, I wouldn't have flashed a new bios as it would run 412/365 stock. However, I had the r360 and thought it would be nice to get the few extra optimizations and overdrive from it. I am sure that the card was a refurb because it would not oc very well (414/385). But, I think it will do better once I get a better cooling solution on it.
I have a homemade water block that would fit, but my case is pretty full as it is, and it wouldn't take much to drill and tap an old Alpha PEP 66 that I have, plus I have a drawer full of heatsink material I can cut for ramsinks.
If it wasn't for the heat (and you can feel the heat a couple inches from the card) I would just keep it as a stock 9800xt for the 228.00 I paid. I paid 329.00 for my 9700 pro just last Febuary!
Compared to the 9700 pro (still a great vidcard), Farcry plays very smoothly with all settings highest and looks very sharp at 1024. With the 9700, I had to play it with medium settings with just a couple set to high.
I have gotten two refurb vidcards from newegg that "checkered" right off and had to send them back. One was an AIW 9700 pro, and the other (2 weeks ago) was a Sapphire 9800 pro 256mb "Ultimate", which, by the way, is NOT a rebadged XT. So I guess it was worth the rma as I would not have gotten this card.
I got lucky, this time, and am happy.
slapped a waterblock on mine and run it in a passive system ~435 core, 392 mem (no sinks yet).. we'll see... water temps should be around +30°C
Haven't checked in on this thread for quite some time, but as an update, now that the temps are starting to warm up here in Cali, my card is getting incredibly hot. This is with a stock Athlon XP cooler slapped on there... overdrive is reporting the temps @ idle 55c in a 75f room. I might have to watercool this badboy.
It is alive! Just ran a 7921 3D03 with it last week.Quote:
Originally posted by G H Z
Hey 2fast better talk to that guy from the XT vmod thread that revived his XT:D
Its warming up here bigtime too. My CPU load temp is up by ~5c, and the air coming out the back is getting on the "hot" side, instead of just warm.
I won't have to back down my clocks on the CPU but I will on the GPU...gonna run the card stock from now on as im seeing artifacts after a while (what game needs more than 412/730 anyway?).
Doom I:DQuote:
Originally posted by Soulburner
Its warming up here bigtime too. My CPU load temp is up by ~5c, and the air coming out the back is getting on the "hot" side, instead of just warm.
I won't have to back down my clocks on the CPU but I will on the GPU...gonna run the card stock from now on as im seeing artifacts after a while (what game needs more than 412/730 anyway?).
Doom I is definately a monster on the pipelines... I might just have to get another prommy for my card to run it at an acceptable framerate. :D BTW aoc007, where in the Bay you from?Quote:
Originally posted by aoc007
Doom I:D
Soulburner... I know your HSF is pretty damn chunky, larger then my stock Athlon cooler, but I actually have to clock mine down to 370/380 to run BFV for just an hour or I get constant drops back out to the desktop. I'm thinkin it might just be the game needing a patch, but lowering the clocks does stabilize it a lot. Same thing happens in DC and FarCry. When I touch the HSF on the 9800, it's literally HOT to the touch, real hot. So is the entire PCB of the card and all the vacant air in the surrounding area of the case.
sorry did'nt readed the whole thread, so every new sapphire 9800pro is actually a XT? or will change this in future?
Im from El Cerrito/Albany (east bay)
Sapphire 9800 Pro 256mb editions with only 8 ram chips are actually r360 cores that couldnt hit the higher XT clocks, so you can get a XT bios and enable the on-die temp probe and overdrive.Quote:
Originally posted by cos
sorry did'nt readed the whole thread, so every new sapphire 9800pro is actually a XT? or will change this in future?
Hm what about NFSU, Max Payne 2, Warcraft 3, RTCW, played any of those?Quote:
Originally posted by Semper Fi
Soulburner... I know your HSF is pretty damn chunky, larger then my stock Athlon cooler, but I actually have to clock mine down to 370/380 to run BFV for just an hour or I get constant drops back out to the desktop. I'm thinkin it might just be the game needing a patch, but lowering the clocks does stabilize it a lot. Same thing happens in DC and FarCry. When I touch the HSF on the 9800, it's literally HOT to the touch, real hot. So is the entire PCB of the card and all the vacant air in the surrounding area of the case.
I can run them all overclocked and my load temp in overdrive says 60c+.
I'll give FC and BFV a try. I use CAT 4.2 (Omega).
Yes, NFSU does it as well but it takes a bit longer than the more current DX9 games, but seems more taxing (judging on core temps alone) then Desert Combat. I have the other 3 games, but they aren't installed so I can't tell you. I think it might have something to do with some kind of registry corruption so I'm going to do a fresh format next weekend and start fresh. Might solve the problem.
These things do get DAMN hot though. This leads me to believe that is the real reason why these things were re-flashed back to pro bios and repackaged... for some reason they were just getting too hot. But that would mean that they test every card before production which I doubt happens, ruling my whole last paragraph obsolete... hmmm :stick:
hey folks.. just get rivatuner. those temps are way more accurate than whatever the overdrive-tab in the control panel says!. i got a 55°C reading in overdrive and ~35°C in riva, plus the ambient temp shown in riva is also around there.
btw.. does anyone know whether doing the pinmod on a dlt3c 1700 (for fsb 200) does anything to the temps? my temps at same (overall) speed of 2.2ghz went up almost ~7°C fully loaded - that is watercooled cpu, watercooled nb and passive heatsink on the sb (9800pro also watercooled).
with all this, i could see the IDLE-temp of my 9800p->xt rise by 6°C to 38°C (so i guess the watertemp went up accordingly). pretty strange thing.
these dont seem all that great guys, with my 9800non pro i got 450core and 391mem with no mods except flash to pro bios(god i miss that board!!)
But you have a 128mb card. Ours are 256 and are a bit faster per clock.Quote:
Originally posted by R.Rabbit
these dont seem all that great guys, with my 9800non pro i got 450core and 391mem with no mods except flash to pro bios(god i miss that board!!)
Been a couple of weeks, late, but here it is:Quote:
Originally posted by phobos
I'm curious to see your gigabyte cards results.
Come on RootX...clock the hell out of it :D
3d 03- 7998
Watercooled, tweakmonsters on the mem.
Volt-modded.
Max benchable core, 505MHz with 1.9V
Max Mem, 420MHz, 2.82V.
Hello...:D
I got a sapphire 9800pro 128mb today went upto 465core 390mem on stock cooler(not maxed:slobber: )
So i just removed stock cooler and guess what :banana: R360:toast:
Gonna install Vga silencer tommorow and go for 480core hopefully more :eek:
Wow dude thats impressive. Hows the weather out there in the UK?
Soulburner,
How were you able to get your TMD fan to stop vibrating? Reason I'm asking is: I have one of those coolers laying around,
and I'm contemplating purchasing this card, and doing pretty much the same thing you did. IF I can get the damn fan to quit vibrating. I stopped using it as a CPU cooler because it was making my case vibrate :P
Mine was vibrating like hell too, was pretty annoying.
Try taking the screws for the fan out, turning the fan and retightening the screws, that stabilized mine.
I have one on my CPU and GPU and they are both turning 5700rpms smooth as butter.
ordered one of these puppies, ill get it on wednesday
would i have to mod the vga silencer to get it on the xt?
I have Sapphire 9800Pro with R360 Chipsat but i have a different cooler on it!!! Like normal one!!! But i looked at chipsat and it was R360!!! Can someone xplain to me!!! how can i open a Temeperature on it? I already Flashed it to the XT!!! ;)