that 17w apu would be sick to put into the new microsoft surface tablet. with 42wh battery it would still get near 10 hours of use, and play a few decent games that make the new ipad look obsolete.
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that 17w apu would be sick to put into the new microsoft surface tablet. with 42wh battery it would still get near 10 hours of use, and play a few decent games that make the new ipad look obsolete.
What I'd really like is an 11.6" model. Screen dpi isn't sufficiently high for 15", and I'd also prefer smaller size / better battery life.
Nice I missed that one. Now they just need to put a decent screen on one and it will tick all my boxesQuote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
Unfortunately that won't be happening. :(
edit higher than 1080p that is........
hp does offer screen upgrades for other laptops, its usually around 100$ to go from bad to 1080p. they might do that here if these really take off. and i bet they would since i just saw an advertisement for them last night on tv (so we know they are pushing them)
Even AMD Hybride prototype ( from Conval ).. Computex 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkGag...eature=related
ah you can customize the HP pavilion and sleekbook laptops now.
http://www.shopping.hp.com/en_US/hom...nt-Notebook-PC
HP sleekbook u can upgrade to 25w A10 but no HD screen.
HP pavilion you can upgrade to an A10 and discrete graphics and HD 1080p screen
hmm do you really need a discrete graphics card if you go with an A10 @ 1366x768????
these are the options....
1GB AMD Radeon(TM) HD 7670M Graphics +$50.00
2GB AMD Radeon(TM) HD 7730M Graphics +$75.00
i guess if you upgraded to the 1080p screen you would want it.
;)
interesting thread over here about hp pavilion dv6z-7000 with A10-4600m
http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-p...-trinity.html#
apparently only limited OC so far with pscheck
WTf is up with all manufactures all dumping crappy panels in with these laptops :S
2.2 to 2.7 in a laptop with temps much in check is great...500 MHz OC.
A lot of laptops don't OC at all, I'd be in for one of these...
so the envy one has a few good optionsQuote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
25$ for backlit keyboard
50$ for the 25w chip, which does hurt battery life, but it already lasted really long to start. so i would get that one. 384 gpu cores at 500ghz turbo, should work very nicely
but then i would take out the HDD and throw in a 128GB ssd for ~125$, and 2 ram dimms for about 50$
so my total would have been 675 configured + 175 in personal upgrades = 850 for a really slim lightweight laptop that can play games better than most would expect. as much as i would like a better screen, the resolution is probably fine since you can game at hone on an external monitor, but on the go you probably only watch movies which look great even at 720p
also for the overclocking, i wouldnt even waste the time unless its done right (undervolting the stock speeds etc), and if they could only get 2.8ghz thats almost pointless if the turbo is good enough to get you there anyway.
EDIT, the cpu specs have been bothering me, i swore the A6-4455M is listed as a quad core on amds site, but also as a duel core. the 4655M however is clearly 4 cores with more mhz and more gpu, but only a little more power draw.
I'm curious as at what point does the A10 hit 3.2ghz?
Max multi is locked just like desktop non-K APUs. I'd be more inclined to use PSCheck to downclock or customize turbo.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
True
I was just curious if the a10 could hit 3.2ghz for turbo clock...
From what I've read the 7730m is gcn and can't crossfire with 7660g only 7670m can
so about $900 w/ tax for a HP Pavilion Dv6z-7000 with all the goodies
specs:
HP Pavilion dv6z-7000 Entertainment Notebook PC
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
AMD Quad-Core A10-4600M Accelerated Processor (3.2GHz/2.3GHz, 4MB L2 Cache)
1GB AMD Radeon(TM) HD 7670M Graphics........7730m doesnt do crossfire
FREE Upgrade to 6GB 1600MHz DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
FREE Upgrade to 640GB 5400RPM Hard Drive
6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
15.6-inch diagonal Full HD Anti-glare LED-backlit Display (1920 x 1080)
SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW with Double Layer Support
HP TrueVision Webcam with Integrated Digital Microphone + HP SimplePass Fingerprint Reader
802.11b/g/n WLAN
Backlit Keyboard
to expensive for its relative performance... it will have to come down once they get more stock in and realize nobody is buying these at that price.
let me say that again... $900+ dollars!!!
ANY 5400spin drive is too slow, really needs an SSDQuote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
now is just $649.99Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
http://i47.tinypic.com/2jcd8hi.jpg
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Originally Posted by haylui
You didnt include the 1080p display, backlit keyboard, or upgraded GPU. Of course it is cheaper in your config.
you might have to swap out the memory, i doubt its 2x3GB, so you wont get duel channel working unless you take out the 2gb and throw in a 4gb
Yah memory and hardrive I'd swap out any ways so yur talking $1000+
thats not bad for a fully loaded machine. do we have any reviews of the A10+7670m combined?
i would probably get a blu ray drive for it though, since theres no point having just a dvd drive (if you ever use it to install something, might aswell use a usb based one then, but if your on the go, then its to watch movies)
but its a touch choice between that and the envy, which will be a little cheaper, but much weaker, but also much smaller.
Yah waiting on 7660g + 7670m reviews.... There very similar in performance so crossfire stuttering will be to a minimum
Faaaak!
Again???
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/27...h-launch-in-q4
hands with amd trinity eng sample and a85 mobo (just pictures no review)
http://en.expreview.com/2012/06/28/h...ard/23900.html
http://www.coolaler.com/showthread.p...88%90%E7%86%9F!!
early benchmark for A85 chipset?
What I cannot understand about Trinity is that it seems the next chipset won't support PCI Express 3.0 initially ...
Right now PCIE 3.0 is rather useless...probably is more costly...
That is my best guess.
Trinity platform is not designed for high end GPU and especially not for crossfire. The integrated GPU is there for a reason, it is designed to be a small mobile platform for cheap. People who want high end GPU configurations will also be more interested in higher performance processors which is what the FX line is for.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
I think your guess is right. most engineering decision culprit is related to direct or in-direct cost.
AMD Trinity A10 vs A8-3870K vs core i3-2100 and 2105
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-apu,3241.html
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
So HP is having a nice sale
This same setup is ~$150 cheaper
So good deal
A10, 7670m, and 1080p hd screen for $725 + tax
^^^ The same config he posted up was priced at $975 and as of right now there was a $100 discount so yeah.... $875.
I seriously don't understand where some of you guys get these numbers. Because clearly, its not a case of poor math skills. ;) I'm probably the only computer tech alive that failed algebra 2, not once but twice. heh.
And for breaking news....
The desktop chips have now been delayed till October.
out of interest, just how powerful will the GPU be on the desktop line of chips?
I have a 4870 and a 2.8ghz x3 right now. Would there be any point in upgrading, or would it be a sideway-grade?
Here are the official AMD specs. http://www.amd.com/us/products/deskt...nstream.aspx#7Quote:
Originally Posted by Motiv
The fastest GPU is an HD7660D which comes in the A10-5800K. And that is in fact the chip thats now delayed till October.
there was a 4th of july sale with promo code "white100" for an extra $150 off unfortunately its over :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew LB
fortunately for me :) i got an dv6z-7000 with an A10, 1gb 7670m dgpu, 6gb 1600mhz ram, 750g 7200rpm, regular screen (1366x768) and backlit keyboard for $650 out the door including tax.
cant wait to test crossfire performance ;)
(note: these are socketed chips so if u wanted u could go for the cheaper A6 and upgrade later ;)
http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-p...review-16.html
Hmm yur probably better off getting a phenomII x4 for around $100Quote:
Originally Posted by Motiv
If u did go with the A10 the igpu is far less superior than yur 4780 ( though trinity igpu supports dx11 games) yur better off getting a new video card like the 7850 with 2gb of VRAM
I dunno the Amd fusion thing is still weird for desktop unless yur building a HTPC or small form factor, and great for mobile...
I'm still of fan of keeping everything seperate for desktop gaming
So if u wanted to wait yur better off going with vishera (FX-8300 series) than A10 trinity desktop. Both coming out in October
I got a Trinity laptop a couple weeks ago from Best Buy. (I paid $600 for it when it was on sale)
This one.
If there is one thing AMD/HP nailed with this thing, it's battery life. On a tiny 6-cell battery, the laptop gets about 5 hours of usage when fully clocked, and close to 8 hours of usage when you set the CPU/GPU to maximum power savings. Compared to my wife's laptop that was $600 two years ago, that laptop lasts half as long on battery, the dedicated graphics card (HD 4570m) is about 1/4 as fast, and the CPU (Turion II 2.3Ghz dual core) is 1/2 as fast. What a difference!
Also, AMD definitely redefined the perception of integrated graphics with this. I've never had a "low-end" laptop that was such a potent performer for games, old and new. BF3 is still playable (however, not nearly as smooth as my nearly 3 year old desktop), all Source games are smooth as silk on highest settings, and every game I've loaded on to the system is 100% playable and enjoyable.
All of this from a $600 laptop with integrated graphics.
Hats off to AMD on mobile Trinity. It may not be the CPU power house that Ivy Bridge is, but for regular usage and gaming, they really got it right.
Mad Pistol can you try overclocking with K10stat?
PScheck works...people have gotten 2.7ghz with the A10 and a little lower volts
Installing PScheck now. Lets hope it works.
EDIT, got it working, but each time I click "Add New State," the program crashes. Any thoughts?
Disruptive ultrathins coming with Kabini
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http://bit.ly/O5tIMp
just so people can see its actually out there ;)
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lol. Is that a QR code on a processor?Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
iirc is not QR code, its datamatrix (actually works the same way as QR code but its older, if am not wrong)
have a look here! http://invx.com/ to spot the differences
Both AMD and Intel have used it for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by EniGmA1987
http://www.techpowerup.com/cpudb/87/..._XP_3000+.html
I don't think k10stat works for bulldozer/piledriver coresQuote:
Originally Posted by richierich
Nice. Hope, there will be no problem with avaiability in first week :). Looking forward for A10 and OC+tweaking new toy :)
yah my laptop a10-4600M runs smooth, however its not unlocked so I can OC it :(
ill have to pick up one of these a10-5800k to test out
think, very good price strategy! Im looking forward so much for A10-5800K!
Trinity world records
http://www.obr-hardware.com/2012/09/...world.html?m=1
Nice. I think, these results are not final. I thinking, there will be next 20% up in score - in future with overclockers.
And they seem to have officially launched:
http://www.techpowerup.com/172817/AM...ktop-APUs.html
nice!
these are gonna be baller OC gpu to over 1ghz!
Basically with an A10 APU and a decent memory (DDR3-2000+) you can get quite good gaming performance. Not bad this.
Some reviews of iGPU part of AMD Trinity
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...Preview/1.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6332/a...-review-part-1
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...400k,3224.html (this is old review from June)
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2043/1/ (good power consumption of APU)
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/gra...-graphics.html (many gaming benchmarks!)
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-A...ce-and-Gaming/
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Process...rinity-Desktop
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-trin...#ixzz27eY1Tr76
Was about to post the same thing :PQuote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
looks not bad in iGPU performance, CPU will be similar I think-sometimes better Llano A8, sometimes A10. Its because Trinity is near to 2CM/4T than classic 4C/4T.
I think it's not a smart move to limit the previews to iGPU tests only. We already know how CPU part performs from THG review that was made months ago. They even republished it today :). Anyway,solid improvement over Llano's GPU and great OC capabilities.
Most of the reviews are iGPU centered not much CPU testing going on :( wonder if that will be covered in part 2... Oh well
hard to say...I dont see problem in complete review, but together not problem in parts review.It does not bother me.
I love the Retail box , I wish I can grab one (A10-5700 / A10-5800K) right now :)
Humm its not all that great compared to the likes of 3870K i had expected more, the CPU part will tell the whole story. AMD forced me to buy the 3870K and i am not regretting it now since the GPU part is more or less equal to say an HD 7560D.
The second part is the size of 246mm2 "1.303B" which is just idiotic last year Raphial from AMD told me there is going to be better size utilization well this is just not what i had in my mind. Intel's mobile IVB with GT2 is around 121mm2 and this is around 246mm2 now Haswell is supposed to be around 190mm2 so i hope Trinity successor is more than just a shrink :(
Successor to Trinity is known and it will have a new CPU core and new GPU core. And why is die size a concern to you? You should care for performance/power and price.Die size is irrelevant to end user. If AMD can make a profitable 600mm^2 die product that consumes 50W and performs awesome would you care? Note that this is practically impossible of course,I used it just as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
No CPU tests ? I can't find a single one, seems fishy...
Ooo I see now. http://techreport.com/blog/23638/amd...elease-of-info
That explains everything.
We have a review of 5800K already. THG did it few months ago. There you have all the CPU benchmark results you can think of.
It most likely will use Steamroller derivatives and maybe GCN for the GPU amm the GPU inside Trinity is not GCN right.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Streamroller - http://www.anandtech.com/show/6201/a...r-architecture
http://cdn.i.haymarket.net.au/Utils/...fBD_SR.jpg&c=0
It seems more of a evolution over Piledriver. If you have access to Intel doc service check out tag's #971380128 and #979731102, Intel has a lot of guns pointed at APU segment with Haswell and Broadwell check yourself. Given the late arrival of Piledriver, Streamroller might be also delayed to the Q4 2013 that means it will be in the cross hair of not only Haswell "Q1 2013" but also Broadwell "Q1 2014".
AMD can do a lot with APU's add common cache access for one in the L3-L4 range but instead they are trying to give the FX series processors more than deserved attention. The APU space is something that is new for Intel and it will take time for them to get legs in that market, AMD should be fierce in this space which it is not. Exclusion of iGPU in the FX series is an oversight, i know you all will say TDP matters but the way Intel implements it TDP does not matter.
Larger silicons have huge negatives from turn out rate to leakage to signal interference, etc. 200mm for complicated chips is the not to exceed size rather it was in 45nm and with Intel. This does not mean they never exceeded this size but with 22nm this is bound to be lower or same but not excessive.
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Originally Posted by Kuroimaho
this is preview not full review
those sites could do whatever after the product was launched.
Finally, someone telling it how it is. Props to Scott.Quote:
Originally Posted by cold2010
And if AMD simply wants to talk about GPU performance for a week before the inevitable PD vs BD discussion completely takes over (especially if they release Vishera benches at the same time)? Is this all that much different when Intel does an early preview and limits testing on something like power consumption? I guess I don't understand what the issue if if normally the full NDA lift date was Oct 2nd and AMD let some sites preview the GPU performance a week early?Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
In my years of testing AMD and Intel processors, I have yet to come across a situation like this from either camp. I've seen previews of AMD and NVIDIA GPUs but in every case, there has been a clear determination of the NUMBER of benchmarks allowed rather than cherry picking the ones which make a given architecture look the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stukov
As per Scott's post, this is about the way it was handled and other sites paying lip service by posting only certain benchmarks in order to make an architecture look better than it really is. This is about information filtering and control of the press. You can't forget that search results on Google, Bing, etc are largely influenced by date / time of posting and content. This means anyone looking for a Trinity article weeks or even months from now will stumble across these articles and have an overly positive representation of the architecture.
We have a very similar process in effect: we refuse to post a reviews at launch unless they can be absolutely, positively up to our readers' expectations. This lack of time is precisely why a Trinity desktop review won't be posted until sometime after launch and why we still don't have a GTX 650 review live. Unless we can completely be confident with the results, I'd rather loose traffic than post something that will steer readers in the wrong direction. I know for a fact that Scott adheres to the same set of ideals.
This isn't to say that Trinity isn't good, because I happen to love AMD's Fusion initiative. Trinity and the new APUs are great candidates for anyone that doesn't give a damn about simple CPU performance. However, there does come a time when pushing certain data ahead of other items doesn't sit well....and this is one of those times.
Yeah,it's not a good move by AMD but it's done now. They could have just hold of until real launch but they wanted and early positive press coverage I guess.
As for CPU performance,we have known it for few months now. THG did a complete review of 5000K series back in June. They even compared it to i3 and 3870K in later article. There are no mysteries when it comes to x86 performance of Trinity.
Well I read Anand's article and the article linked here and I didnt see any mentioning that you couldnt run any game benchmark, right? Or did I miss it? Anand specifically stated he wouldnt have had time to do full CPU benchmark anyway, so it was more like a part 1 and part 2 review (well still closer to preview).Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
Maybe I'm misunderstanding still, but is this any different than Nvidia (or AMD) allowing sites to benchmark the compute abilities of their chips a week prior to official launch, and on launch its full systems go for testing?
This stuff has been done before, it just seems like everyone has a short memory of past launches by both Intel and AMD where there was some sort of control requested of what was posted when...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stukov
The truth is, I think all of this stuff has been blown wayyy out of proportion and I feel like there wasn't necessarily anything malicious about how it was done. A few days will not make a difference, especially if the hardware reviewers inform their readers that there is more to come in a few days (especially since most reviewers had no way of getting it all done within the timeframe necessary).
In fact, it can make difference for people, who don't read hardware sites on an ongoing basis. If you are not a tech-freak, and you search google to get fast info - here it may make difference, depends on what article comes first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russian
Correct, but these are not being sold as reviews. They're being sold as previews. People generally base their opinions on Reviews not Previews. If the site is an honest one, they will give full disclosure and it won't be an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by kl0012
....wow, wtf are y'all getting riled up for? a preview? intel does the same :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing thing! you know over the past few days, i have seen a lot of anti-amd bs across the entire Internets...this must mean amd is doing something right.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...hitecture.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3871/t...-wins-in-a-row
Russian
god_43
Guys, this "preview" thing is really boring. Sure, you can always find excuses for inadequate management decisions, but, common, what is the point of doing "architecture previews" for something, which is already few months in the market (mobile version)? Again, saying "Intel does the same..." is not an excuse as well.
Intel usually gets away with it, AMD gets shot down every time. AMD needs to realise they can't use the same rules as intel, they dont have enough 'pull' to get away with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kl0012
No disrespect to AMD, that disrespect should go to the review sites that make this possible for Intel.
To be honest, I did not hear that Intel did something like this before. (Not saying that Intel never did it - I just didn't hear). I know Intel demonstrated some benchmarks here and there in highly controlled environment (Conroe, e.t.c). AMD did it as well. But it is something different this time. I never heard about selective NDA before. Can be a precedent.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilOne
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2043/10/
Preliminary power consumption looks promising!
a bit of math for ya from that review comparing power consumption and fps for their game test (sleeping dogs)Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
the A10-5800k used 2% more power than A8-3870k and 18% more than i7-3770k in gaming.
but in fps for their test was 24% more than the A8 and 68% more than the i7
meaning that even in gaming things became much more efficient.
fps/watt = .3 for the A10, .24 for the A8 and .21 for the i7
those numbers could be a result of the gpu portion becoming more efficient, or the cpu portion not needed as much power, but probably both. it would be cool to know how much each section of the APU draws in gaming though.
I think anandtech did that for gpu
55-60% for the CUs and 40-45% for the UNB (CNB & GNB combined) based on my own measurements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Please note that on K15h FX-series CPUs the CNB alone was rated to ~14.75W.
On Trinity it should be a bit less.
The measurements were done under maximum FPU & SIMD/RB stress so the numbers most likely do not align up for Gaming.
Intel Conroe performance previewed
by Scott Wasson — 3:56 PM on March 9, 2006
http://techreport.com/review/9538/in...ance-previewed
:rolleyes:Quote:
The test setup
I should start by saying that we very rarely publish benchmark numbers obtained at trade shows or in other sorts of pre-arranged settings outside of our own test labs. We have elected to do so in this case because of an extraordinary opportunity to get an early glimpse at a brand-new CPU architecture in action. You should know, though, what the test conditions were like.
We used test systems pre-configured by Intel before the show, and we had very limited time to conduct testing or inspect the systems. We were not allowed to look inside of the case of either PC, and the scope of the benchmarks we were allowed to run was defined by Intel. We weren't given the leeway to record our own custom timedemos for the games, and we didn't have enough time to run each test three times or even reboot between the tests. Intel PR reps painted timedemo results on the screen with white-out after our Quake 4 test run.
Now that we have all these powerful igpu's, when will we be able to use them for more than games? I want to see Amd's version of quicksync! It would be awesome if people started using these igpu's to speed up apps in general. Most gaming pc's have discrete gpu's and won't use these igpu's, so they just sit there going to waste. It's not like we can choose to buy just cpu's alone anymore, there's very few choices for just plain old cpu's. Also i'm glad amd finally has something better then the competition, let's hope they speed up the cpu parts a bit more.
5800K spotted on eBay
previews you do 1-2-3 months before launch like tomshardware DID. Not during several days. This is review part 1 and part 2Quote:
Originally Posted by Russian
Look at the date of preview and launch March 9 vs 27 July. And now look at AMD preview rather review 5 days difference:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aten-Ra
First full Trinity review:
http://www.hartware.de/review_1534.html
Full review !!! lol
that is as bad of a review as the preview.
Single game tested on the built in gpu. rest external gpu
Oh and single resolution done on the built in gpu too. Come on ppl gonna use these with 1080p/720p
there we go. for built in gpu performance, its exactly as expected, smoking intel in the price category
and appears like the preview with Sleeping Dogs, was one of the worst case scenarios at that close to 720p res. what a first image ...
...that review makes no sense? why are they benching it against cpus that are double the price?the a series competes against i3-i5 (they have i5).Quote:
Originally Posted by cezar
@god_43
Maybe because it was midnight and they had too much beer ;)
lol trinity gets destroyed it in cpu benchs but who didn't know that already???
at least its a nice step over the 3870k at the same price and one can have fun OC'n, which is great!
and so we wait for steamroller/GCN :wasntme:
One more review and I'm going to sleep - this time is GB mobo but with Trinity onboard:
http://www.back2gaming.com/review/gi...4-motherboard/
and vs the twice the price 3770k onboard gpu. wins again. nice nice exactly as expected. too bad the preview wasn't so reflective of how good it really is. and i take it those images were showing it beats the gt 620 at 1080p res in all cases too