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Well, I got that far the first time, that's where I got the info for the following comment in my prior post.
I was expecting you to know the ins and outs and get us the type of info that rookies like me can't find. :)Quote:
When I search the full parts number, I don't find D9QMS, although it does appear to be a CL9 1333 part.
I know you saw it, I just wanted to point out the site for those who don't want to look themselves. :D
I think one can use the datasheet for D9PFW as well, the revision change shouldn't change that much.
And come on Jaime, you know I'm the rookie and you're the pro! :p:
You would think not, but I want to know more about the stuff that's hitting DDR3-2200 @ 9-9-9-27 / 1.65V & DDR3-2400 @ 9-10-10-27 / 1.65V and costs under $60 for a 2x4GB kit.
You're patronizing the old man now. We all know better than that. :)
Great,more results will come then :)
Well, basically they should all be the same ICs (MT41K256M8DA-xxx), either the revision change from M to K makes them better or more recent batches are just better than older kits.
:p:Quote:
You're patronizing the old man now. We all know better than that. :)
Let us know how they're clocking for you! :up:
:)
2400 9-10-9-1T (1.64v) left tertiary (this is just quick and dirty will get it tighter later i just want to see how they scale -got them like 1 hour ago )
..looking good so far
http://imageshack.us/a/img845/4056/91446455.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img641/7978/2400c9165v.jpg
EDIT; can someone press "thank you" button under post #286 (since i can't..)
Thank you ihog6hog !
http://imageshack.us/a/img21/1420/largeuj.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img266/8835/62591650.jpg
EDIT; they will do tWCL 7 ;) lol (1.65v in MM)
http://imageshack.us/a/img818/5015/m...091165vtig.jpg
awesome great sticks :)
XBrytanX,
Nice sticks...hard to beat at $25 per module, which is basically generic ram pricing.
I'm still waiting on mine to arrive. Kinda thought I would have had them on Saturday, but they were a no show.
Are you planning on taking the spreaders off to see what's under the hood, or just assume that they are the D9QMS, as they clock the same as ihog6hog's kit.
I did notice that in his picture, the label shows the "batch" number of BG112LK.4V. In your pic, that batch number isn't on the label. Your modules show it to be BG112LK.54 which is very similar, just the last two digits being different. He told me via PM that he got his shipped to him by his brother, but they were purchased from Newegg. Can't help but wonder about what's under the hood of yours.
I plan on taking a look at at least one of mine when they arrive, just to be able to confirm what the Egg is currently shipping.
i can't keep this RAM stable even @ tWCL9 to run 2400C9-10 1T (1.65v) ,i can pass 32M but will fail MemTest 4.0 ,
http://imageshack.us/a/img29/7348/twcl9.jpg
@Reefa..if i get pizzed i will take them of (i'm getting close tho..this lights ) , binning should help this RAM ,here are both SPD's
http://imageshack.us/a/img23/2316/spdl.jpg
EDIT; Quote from another forum
That pretty much sums it upQuote:
Even though IC provide clearly enough headroom to go 1200+, all 4Gb D9PFJ sticks I have ever tested didn't go much above 1000-1050MHz (you could pull a HCI Memtest at 1066 but then it would just randomly crash during "normal use", at 1100MHz+ they won't even POST).
2 x 8gb 12800 c11 1.35v non-ballistix set ordered and arriving Thursday/Friday...should be interesting!
barrel rider, I keep on eye for your results since we both have same mobo :D
what ic for those 12800 sticks?
No idea yet, havent found any reviews or any pictures of the chips. Talk about taking a punt ;)
Arrived, pics shortly.
D9QBJ for those who cant wait :).
Interestingly enough its mentioned here that its also shipping at higher clockspeeds for graphics memory. May indicate good scaling with timings.
[EDIT : Quick set of pics...]
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...J/DSCF2505.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...J/DSCF2507.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u...J/DSCF2509.jpg
SPD detected 9-9-9-24-1 1600mhz 1.35v on the M5F. Not sure what thats about. Its in windows though and looks stable.
The plan is to mess around for an hour or so with timings at default volts and 1600mhz and go up from there...
[EDIT - Struggling here. 9-9-9-24-1 1600mhz took 1.4v for 32m hyperpi. 11-11-11-28-1T 1866mhz looks to be 1.55v or more for stability. Cant help but think im missing something....]
[EDIT #2 - 2133mhz 11-12-12-31-2T (raw mhz profile) 1.625v 32m hyperpi stable. Will test reduced voltage later, 2200mhz up next.]
[EDIT #3 - 2200mhz 11-12-12-31-2T (raw mhz profile) 1.65v 32m hyperpi stable. 2400 will not post no matter what, how disappointing! Im tweaking timings at 2200mhz to see where it goes, but so far performance is a bit crap tbh.]
Slackened TRFC right off to 314 already, will have a go at TRC though, thanks for the tip :).
Testing 2200mhz 10-12-11-31-1T 1.675v atm, 10-12-12-31-1T passed.
No post with cas 12 means no 2400mhz it would seem. Will try a different bios tomorrow. Currently on 0095.
Cant go lower than 10-12-11-1T, voltage somewhere between 1.65 and 1.675v. Tras and subs will go down, still @ LB14 :lol:.
10-12-10-28-1T 1.65v 2133mhz is solid as well.
One thing that came to my mind today, has anyone tested if there's a difference in overclocking headroom between the Tactical, Tactical Tracer and Elite apart from the normal variation?
Secondary's tighten up very nicely, though TRFC 196 is the low limit. Everything else though is in PSC territory. Something in the tertiary timings needs to be high as it no posts with latency boundary changes. Working on that now.
On the 8gb sticks? I get no post with TRFC below 194 @ 2200mhz. Not doing too well to be honest, Im struggling to get true stability at 2200, im finding I can complete a few stress tests then it usually hangs the app. The sticks I have definitely are nowhere near the same bin as the 1866mhz 9-9-9 1.5v ballistix 16gb kit. Im guessing totally different ICs.
Have you tested if your kit can do the specs of the 16GB Ballistix kit? 1866 9-9-9-27 @ 1.5V.
update on BallistiX TT
D9QMS confirmed
Attachment 130945
as mention earlier this RAM won't play nice above 1066,
P.S. this app is great if you own BalistiX :D
http://www.crucial.com/ballistix/cru...d-utility.aspx
Yeah it wont, 9-10-9-27-1T 1.5v is at least close to stable. No post with any of those timings reduced, would probably need 1.6v for 8-10-9 and 1.65v for 8-9-9 / 8-9-8 if it follows behaviour at 2133 and 2200mhz.
Definitely not the same chips as the 2x8gb ballistix kit :(
EDIT:
Couldnt stabilise 1866mhz 9-10-9 no matter the volts. 9-11-10 was ok at 1.525v. TRP = TRCD-2 seems to generate a bsod as well. Must have TRP within 1 clock of TRCD.
Tested 2133mhz with HT on and 16 thread hyperpi and had to back that off to the same timings as 2200mhz: 10-12-11-30-1T.
That's me done with the 8gb D9QBJ sticks, theyre good value kits if you want to do some basic clocking but definitely isnt the same bin/IC as the ballistix 1866 C9 8gb sticks. Cant push them hard.
Saw this at half price and couldnt resist. Very unlikely to be QMS, most likely old stock.
Ive never seen any evidence of any binning in the ballistix line either. My old 1333mhz D9 kit had GTS on it. The only questionable one these days would be the Sport kits, but tbh that looks like a standard pcb with ballistix binned ICs so probably near enough the same.
Arrived, cant get the spreaders off though. Any trick to the elite kits or have I just got one thats welded on?
BLE463D1608DETXO.16FKD
BG112LG.15
212355
Could be QMS or just a good older kit - can boot to windows 1.65v 8-8-9-1T 2200mhz, 9-9-9-27-1T 1.65v hyperpi 8x32m stable. Also 7-7-7-21-1T 1.5v 1600mhz and 6-6-7-20-1T 1.62v 1600mhz are hyperpi 8x32m stable.
Good kit, no time to test properly at the moment, but confirms the 1600mhz kits are just as viable as the 1866mhz kits. Note - auto gives much tighter secondary timings, also LB auto gives TRRSR 4 so manually set TRRSR 5 if using this kit over 2000mhz, 6 for over 2200mhz and 7 for over 2400mhz. Only tested these for post, not boot.
Dear XBrytanX.
I see 2 code in one stick. It's unexpected.
D9PSH & D9QMS
http://upic.me/i/gp/d9qms-psh.jpg
Good catch, ihog6hog!
Shame on Crucial for mixing them up.
thanks ihog6hog! (i'm old and blind ..sorry )
Maybe similar to GTS and GTR - both the same chip but one rated 15ns the other 12.5ns so basically interchangeable.
Ive seen this from G.Skill too - one of my 2gb 6-8-6 XMD kits had a mix of BASE and BBSE, the others were all PSC D and G mixed.
Nice catch!
Looks like they've switched both ICs to the :K revision now.
Yes, MT41K256M8DA-15E a.k.a. D9PFW (:M) or D9QMS (:K) is the 1333 CL9 part, MT41K256M8DA-125 a.k.a. D9PFJ (:M) or D9PSH (:K) is the 1600 CL11 part.
I would love to see pics of those mixed G.Skill kits! :)
Concerning the binning on the Ballistix line, I don't think that there is no binning at all, on the DDR2 Ballistix the difference between the 5300, 6400 and 8500 kits was definitely noticeable, although all of them were doing well.
My 5300 kit had GTS and is still the only kit I have ever hit a stable 100% oc on. Found it as a dual kit languishing at the bottom of a clearance bin with 75% off :D.
Ive still got two of the xmd kits so ill pull the spreaders and see whats on them. Im thinking it was mixed PSC D and E actually. I ditched the mixed elpida kit as it didnt go high enough, but may have a pic somewhere. All kits were purchased as a lot from the same store on sale.
I think your kit with D9GTS was a 10600 = 1333 kit, 5300 was DDR2, one of the D9GMH kits. Those could overclock 100% as well though. :D
The 1600 6-8-6 kits from G.Skill should all be PSC Xxx of some kind, I don't think the newer revisions can do those timings. On the 7-8-7 kit you can find both Xxx and Txx.
Doh thats it, GMH :D. My old brain cant keep track of all this D9 fun over the years :lol:.
1600 6-8-6 1.5v XMD definitely shipped with bbse/base, though it could be rare. There was a sudden cheap glut of the 2x2gb kits appeared here around 18 months ago, right when the cheap 4gb 1600 sticks and x79 kits were starting to show up. Got 6 kits, 3 were matched PSC, 2 unmatched PSC and 1 BBSE with 4 BASE chips per stick. Im sure I have a picture somewhere, got too many damn hard drives with test installs on though. I surmised at the time they were clearing a stockpile of chips unbinned as basically any psc or elpida will do 1600 6-8-6.
When I can get chance ill look at the kit I have left, my son was born last tuesday and its just havoc lol.
Thx dude :). First child and oh my what an eye opener! I nearly sterilized my toast this morning... :lol:
The remaining XMD kit I have is matched PSC sadly. I'll keep my eyes open for any pics and will check where I sold them on to, see if i cant track the mixed bbse/base down :).
Back on topic to this thread....anyone managed prime stable @ 2000 8-8-8-24-1T? Im hyperpi stable at 1.60vdimm, but cant get 8 threads of prime running for more than 5 mins without one or more dropping. This is using a 3770k + M5F (black slots more stable). Tried higher vdimm but it gets less stable, vccsa and vccio have been tested up to 1.15v / 1.25v.
Anyone using this ram on the M5F try using the samsung 2x4gb tight profile. Thats good for 2133mhz 9-9-9-27-1t @ default volts throughout for hyperpi. Slight bump of one or more of the main 3 voltages needed for prime stable though, still tweaking @ 1.55v/0.975v/1.1v.
Its a shame I cant get 1600 stable with any primaries at 6. I can get close but not quite. Same with 1866mhz and primaries at 7 (though I havent tested 1800mhz yet).
I have a feeling given how tight second and third timing sets go that the fastest gaming and 24/7 setting would be at tightest timings not highest mhz.
Anybody knows "XRG" BLT2KIT4G3D1869DT2TXRG, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148555,are new than XOP?
Are still D9QMS?
If I'm not mistaken, the last part of the Tracer's model number, the "XRG" and "XOP" just means Reg & Green LEDs vs Orange & Blue LEDs (check the description and you'll see reference to "Red/Green", also, I believe that your "OP" should read "OB", with the "B" for Blue (it is not a "P"). Has nothing to do with revisions / newer models, etc., as far as I'm aware.
The OB link:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148554
i would love to test this modules on 775 in the near future so i have to buy a few variation to try lets see what i find out :)
I picked up a set of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148517 for $18 to supplement my mushkins http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820226295.
The Ballistix Tactical tracers are really cool with the heat sensors and Led's!
Is there any chance the Mushkin's have similar ic's being a bit older?
I have em all running @ 1700 8 8 8 24 1.55v or so atm. Would not do cmd 1 with 4 sticks but i think i have some clocking headroom yet at cmd 2.
1600CL8 parts are same or a little worst than 1866CL9? I have now at a store both 1600CL8 and 1866CL9, 1600CL8 being a little cheaper. I will buy someting in 2-3weeks.
Also something interesting........ 2.*4GB 1600CL8 1.35v Ballistix Tactical LP 50$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148656
Man, all these Crucial memory sounds interesting.
Shamino had some cl5 2400mhz runs on cold and 2.4v using these same ic's on 4gb dimms...in an MVG thread.
Didn't found the post, the 1.35v 1600CL8 model or 1866CL9 1.5v?
Not sure but the ic was d9gtr...
I'll post it once I get home, I'm at the post office picking up my 220cfm nidecs XD
Not D9GTR, D9GTx was used on high voltage 2x1GB kits.
If it was one of these kits I'm surprised if he got 2400, these have issues past about 2200 CL9.
I think the best these could do on air would be about 2000 7-7-7-21 1T, maybe 2200 7-7-7-21 under LN2.
Ln2 using 2.4v and d9gtr chips.
And it was cl 7-6-5-18...
http://kingpincooling.com/forum/arch...hp/t-1721.html
Oh, I see...
I'm not so knowledgeable, specially regarding crucial kits.
Thanks for clarifying.
Any test on the new lp 1.35 Crucial Ballistix kits ?
Yep, see those here.
ordered some cheap stuffs from crucial, payed US$36 for 2x 4GB 1600mhz 11-11-11 1.35v... they came with d9pfj ics... let's see if they can be better than samsungs LP green.
I had no idea the tactical tracers can cause problems with x79 boards. I found this out after ordering 16gb worth.
Tracer best ram ever...
my latest run, finally mine Elpida Hyper got retired... first time I could make an 8GB kit scream louder.
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/...psa9f3d05d.jpg
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7416dc8c.jpg
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/...ps653bbe69.jpg
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9fd0dfee.jpg
Did you have the opportunity to try them with your Thuban ?
cheap 1600mhz 11-11-11 1.35v 30nm d9pfj heavily sux stay away from them. I was able to manage 1866Mhz 11-11-11 at 1.40V but nothing else.
Nice result! What mobo are you using? I have 4x4 Gb teamgroup 2133 9-11-11 but i should force vdimm to 1,53 v to have my system stable so i'd like to try these Tracert! What the exact Crucial product number? You also tested at 1600 with low latencies?
Tnx!
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Could you please test them if you can at 2400?Should perform pretty nice,wondering if they scale beyound 1.75V
http://www.abload.de/img/900c6n3uyh.png http://www.abload.de/img/1067c7ceutz.png http://www.abload.de/img/1200c8y2uss.png
On proper PCB such as on Ballistix, Micron D9PFJ can scale well up to 2.1V and do 900MHz/6-7-7, 1066MHz/7-8-8 (on 4Gb modules) and 1200MHz/8-8-8 (on 2Gb modules).
In my case, the issue was that 4Gb sticks couldn't do over 1100MHz no matter what, 2Gb modules also had issues above 1200.
The newer stuff seems a lot better as there are people who did 1066MHz/8-8-8 and 1200MHz/9-9-9 at 1.65V with 4Gb sticks, but I'm not sure if those use the same Micron D9PFJ's.
No i think it's D9QMS, newer chip. It's on Tactical Tracer and i think on Tactical LP 1600CL8 1.35 too.
I will receive a Tactical LP kit today/tomorrow so we shall see.
Those 2 gb modules are single-sided i assume,right?
Also wondering if those:
BLT2CP4G3D1869DT1TX0
Feature newer QMS,basically how can we differentiate older pfj from newer qms?
Well this was unexpected on Tactical LP 2*4GB 1600CL8 1.35V. New chip i see D9QMT??? not D9QMS, everywhere. There are not mixed chips like in Tactical Tracer.
Also bad news, a module seems to be semi DOA sometimes MB posts with 8GB sometimes with 4GB here, in CPU-Z appears 8GB single channel. Also Cpu-z read SPD for second module too.
Windows reads 8GB installed, 4GB usabled.
The module alone doesn't boot.
Good news 2300 CL 9-9-9-27 1.70v 32M.Maybe even less.
It boot up to 2400 but 2400 seems unstable beyond the voltage.
2350-2370 seems to be a target.
2133 CL 8-8-8-24 posible 32M stable, 2200 will test. I have the modules only by one hour.
http://i48.tinypic.com/msou91.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/15rnndz.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/2u8cosg.jpg
Pretty solid sticks for AMD, I normally reccomend them for 775 too...when people need higher density sticks.
Youre wrong. For me D9QMS -> D9QMT next chip.
It's behave much better.
First the dead module which by the way it isn't the one which i removed the heatspread(it's the other nothing i did too but it's almost dead) bugged the sytems stabilty it seemed.
So with only one module in slots let's go:
32M 2400 CL 9-9-9-27-1T 1.70v
http://i45.tinypic.com/bisbqo.jpg
And now prepare yourself this memory it's crazy.
First of all it boot's up CL 9-9-9-27 up too 2500.
Second i think 2440-2450 32M 9-9-9-9-27 it's posible, and 2500C9 1M.
The memory seems to no like at all above 1.75v, it becames very unstable( small pcb).
Than 2528 10-10-10-27-1T 1.70v
http://i48.tinypic.com/2nv4cd4.jpg
2589 C10 validation work in progress 32M 17 loops until now heavy for IMC.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2655714
http://i50.tinypic.com/vg3mls.jpg
Nice results! :up:
Micron's site says D9QMT = MT41K512M4DA-15E:K, are your sticks single-sided or double-sided? :confused:
ASUS AMD boards have lots of issues with dropping a mem stick at post. Every board I had would do it at some point (M5A97X EVO, M5A99FX Pro R2, CHV, Sabertooth 990FX).
My originaly D9PFJs when they came out did 2400Mhz benchable. Im now on my 8th kit of these (just bought two more), didnt test one of the others, but the 5 other sets Ive had all did 2400Mhz with 1.7V or so.
I just got the two new sets today.
Just remember to loosen tRC with these, around 47.
Double sided it's a 4GB module and they are 2 empty spaces for 2 chips on both sides, and the pcb and the heatspreader are so small at LP that i wonder what will they do on a regular tracer pcb.
I hope they release in the future some 1866 CL9 1.35v Tactical Tracer modules.
Yes above 2500 my motheboard doesn't work dual channel anyway.Quote:
ASUS AMD boards have lots of issues with dropping a mem stick at post. Every board I had would do it at some point (M5A97X EVO, M5A99FX Pro R2, CHV, Sabertooth 990FX).
But that module doen't work even stoc and doesn't boot alone. It's almost deas.
This memory is crazy...
2600 10-10-10-27-1T 32M 1.71v , memory read 17.000 single channel
http://i50.tinypic.com/21n1see.jpg
Too bad they are single sided and i guess 8 gb modules won't clock so good...
It's double sided.
If I'm not mistaken, the following two linked reviews are for the 2x8GB kits and you're right, they don't clock as well.
First one (already linked earlier in this thread):
http://www.funkykit.com/press-releas...t.html?start=3
Second one:
http://www.overclockers.com/crucial-...r3-1600-review
I wouldn't trust that much that reviews. There are few who make true hard core reviews.
So the 2*8GB did 1866CL8 1.5v and 2133CL9 1.5V.
So does the 2*4GB. Why it should be different above 2133 with the 8GB modules? At least not that much worse.
It could be that there are other chips.
Memtest 2400 CL 10-10-10-24-1T 1.6v. It seems that tRAS could be set lower than D9PFJ or D9QMS.
http://i46.tinypic.com/308up6s.jpg
The second review was done by Woomack, and he's a pretty seasoned overclocker. I trust his results.Quote:
Originally Posted by xdan
Another module came and so dual channel 2456 9-9-9-24-1T 1.70v Pi 32M.
D9QMT certain has 1.70-1.73v limit. At 1.75v even at stock XMP doesn't boot.
And probably above 1.6v it's not safe 24/7.
http://forum.lab501.ro/attachment.ph...5&d=1359121362
Also another nice thing C9 -2300 1.6V Memtest(single channel, will test dual too).
http://forum.lab501.ro/attachment.ph...0&d=1358525662
Tomorrow will try max frecuency my cpu under cold air can do 2800-2850 memory frecuency.
Personally i hope for 2750 CL11 Super Pi 32M.
Micron D9PFJ,2500 9-9-9 for 1M,limited to 1.92V om maximus 5 gene,could pass 32M i guess at 2.05? and 2400 8-8-8,overall interesting memory
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3...aphsot0007.png
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/797/snaphsot0004.png
looking good ,anxious to give this another try :up:
Seems like the way to differentiate D9QMS and D9PSH ( k revision,runningb better) from D9PFJ lays in part number,kits ending in 16FK* use chips :K revision,kits ending in 16FM* use chips : M revision(like D9PFJ)...
Interesting, might be a good choice for 24/7 general usage high density ram.
I got a kit of 2x8GB Patriot 1866 I was hoping were Hynix MFR but turned out to be D9QBJ. I couldn't find much info on that IC and in my short tests I was unable to get them to post at 2400 at any timings.
[EDIT] I saw PiLsY's results with this same IC earlier in the thread, looks like these just don't clock very high. I'll be returning these.
D9QBJ are nothing special, max you can do 2133 10-11-10 or 2200 11-11-11...
More Crucial mismatched ICs!!
https://hrmtlq.bn1.livefilestore.com...6C9.jpg?psid=1
This is from a kit of 2x8GB Ballistix Elite 1866C9 I picked up locally. There are D9PQL and D9QLR chips on the same module. No boot at 2400 C11 even at 1.75v. 2133C9 is easy with 1.6v.
http://ppl.ug/HjOKkC6c1y0/pv
Do you have an Asus Rog board to try?
Because it might be a motheboard issue.
I sent to a friend to test an LP 1600CL8 1.35v 2*4GB kit. On Sabertooth 990FX the modules worked 2400CL10, CL11 i even booted CL14 to see if it works.
This friend has IB + Msi Z77 GD65.
And on his board he could do 2450CL9 32M but the board didn't boot at all CL10/CL11 ....
Not sure if it's Crucial fault but if you look on almost every motheboard memory QVL this memory it's almost inexistent.
All i found it's 1866CL9 Tactical 2*4GB. On Gene V my LP kit appears to.
You should check there are two possibilities, this memory to scale above 1.72v or not to scale.
Up to 1.72v you shoud reach 2300CL9(more chances to be so)
If it scales above 1.72v than you should reach 2400CL9.
Anyway i think most of Micron chips scales beter only with CL 7/8/9 and up to 2400.
I want this RAM!:up:
It seems like Crucial Ballistix Elite with 16KR code have D9PTF:
http://www.micron.com/parts/dram/ddr...41j256m8da-107
Opened a stick today,previously tought was D9QMS,still same K revision but seems worser on average than XbrytanX,very hard to do 32M@2400 9-9-9,stil lsame voltage limit,1.72,more than 1.72 is worser...