can we get theat 680 heatsink a little higher on the list? ;)
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can we get theat 680 heatsink a little higher on the list? ;)
I am quite astonished not to have seen an " 'bout time " remark from Waterlogged re. the MCRX40's !:ROTF:
@ Waterlogged: please indulge me!
Gabe, to be totally blunt for a minute yes, people get impatient but they don't get upset with you for one simple reason:Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
You tell them the truth as you know it good or bad.
That's what I've always liked about you.
In a world were everyone lies,cheats and tries to screw over everyone, you just tell the truth.
So FK the production schedules, when they get here they get here!:rofl:
Deceit leads to disasterQuote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Disaster leads to pain
Pain leads to despair
Despair leads to suicide
Suicide leads to nothing.
What's for dinner ?
Gr 5-10-12
How wide are the 140mm radiators? Just curious to see if they will fit in 5.25" bays.
You ever make it out this way and I'll put a dinner in front of you that will put a smile on your face..:wasntme:Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Comeon Dave, you're such a nice guy you luv us all :rofl:Quote:
That's what I've always liked about you
You say it as a joke but for the vast majority of you guys thats true.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBean
I see you guys as friends that I just haven't met in person.
Of course there is this one guy. A transplanted South African to the land of Oz.. He is a pip...:rofl:
146mmQuote:
Originally Posted by lowfat
Gabe,
I need this:
MCW82 "true contact" adapter kit for 7970/7950
Any ideas on a substitute in the meantime? Can I put a piece of copper as a spacer?
You are cracking me up, and I'm supposed to be working :)
'bout time. :cheer: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by gabe
You need to have some patience Gabe, :p: I was at work when you posted. I think I can wait until then without ripping anyone's head off and then I can pull the Magicool 140 and MCR120 and put a pair of MCR140's in a Cubitech Mini tank and finally finish it. :up: Any word on a MSRP for the 140?
^ yeah. what's up with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Gabe, Stephen - thanks for updates:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
I'm just curious - Stephen, when you said APD2 are in transit - where are they coming from? I'm guessing they coming to you guys, to California? But where from?
I know, I probably sound like total impatient loony, but I'm sure you guys understand this excitement - this is not just an another watercooling item - this is mega combo that people were waiting for a long time - best water block combined with best pump! This is the answer for all prayers!:yepp:
Was there an update on the heatsink for the dual MCP35x?
Will the new 140mm radiators have built in reservoirs? For extreme clean loop with an AD2P
MCR140-QP and MCR240-QP come without built-in reservoir.
Stephen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
from our very own factory!Quote:
Originally Posted by phinix_mike
Sure but that'll come at the cost of performance. Should be a decent "band aid" until we release the special base plate for itQuote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
K, thanks
Yes, of course it comes from from factory, but wanted to know where exactly - is it in USA or other country?Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
Just wanted to figure out how long is it going to take to transit it to you guys...
The silicon of the 7970 & 7950 is .2mm below the frame. So your 82 is sitting on the frame, not on the GPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
Some manufacturers use a shim to compensate. Such solution adds a performance robbing TIM joint as you might realize.
I have designed:
• a new base plate for the 82 which is specific to 7970 & 7950.
• a hold-down plate which is specific to the 54mm hole to hole distance (standard is 53.2)
• a cross-bracket identical to the stock solution (with AMD’s blessings)
All these parts should arrive within 2 to 3 weeks.
Meanwhile, using thick thermal pad as a gap filler. But if your temps don't drop at least into the 60's then re-install the stock cooling.
[Edit] I see that Stephen ok'd a shim.. I think you might want to save your dough for now, and use thermal pad if you have some. Give it a try.. The spacing between frame and silicon as I said is very tiny (0.2mm) so a pad will fit. Less than ideal thermal conductivity granted, but a cheap bandaid for now.
http://www.swiftech.com/locations.aspx :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by phinix_mike
Our factory (100% Swiftech US subsidiary) is located in Shenzhen. Air transit takes less than a week.
and btw, I can't blame you for being impatient, I'm too :)
This is why I love my Swiftech stuff. Gabe and Stephen have responded to everyone of my emails and done so quickly. He responded with this little tidbit of info and I was going to post it up here, but as usual, he is quicker than I am. I will give it a try Gabe and Stephen and let you guys know what I come up with to hold me off till the proper solution becomes available. Thank you so much for the personal support you guys give here.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Ok, so I played around with using a thermal pad and an aluminum shim and both failed big time causing the GPU to shut down. For now I would suggest folks stick to the stock cooler until the proper solution is released.
did you use thermal compound of each side of the shim?
was it flat enough?
how thick?
Yes, MX4 on both sides of thermal pad, believe it was .5 thick, some left over Koolance stuff. Definitely thick enough as I checked it before putting the block back on. The shim was a piece I cut out of a memory cooler and it looked pretty flat. I used Arctic Ceramique on it, again both sides and it was thick enough also. When i pulled the blcok off both times I see that the block was making good contact. I used just the screws without the backplate to make sure they would reach since the block was now further away.
not sure I would have used thermal compound on top and bottom of the pads. most thermal pads have a pressure rating too, it's possible you went way beyond the maximum pressure (it's very easy to put too much pressure with such a small surface).
as for the shim, it has to be very flat, if it's not it won't work.
Thanks for explaining this Gabe, now it's all clear:)Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
So I'm guessing you guys received them by now?:D
I have a quick question about APD2 - can it be installed in any direction? What I mean is, can you install the block so it will have in/outlets on top/bottom or left/right configuration? Can it be rotated/installed in any position on CPU?
Thermal pads: thanks for trying, now we know it doesn't work :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
Shim, that surprises me, but as SM said, if it aint' flat, it ain't workin'. Mounting pressure maybe? Dealing with two TIM joints isn't the easiest thing. Everything counts. A better compound would help too. But post mortem analysis is all in carefully observing the quality of these TIM's.
Anyways, the new BP should hopefully be coming soon, and that'll take you into the low 50's at load depending on voltage.. which by the way, are you at stock speed/voltage, or are you OC?
I am at max CC overclock, but stock voltages. If I can get another shim that I know is flat I will try it again. I may even try the thermal pad again. Stephen, how should I mount it with the thermal pad, TIM on the GPU or on the block or no TIM at all? Any thing I need to pay attention too if I try this again?
Thanks.
No TIM, the thermal pad is its own TIM. If you use the shim, then use TIM on both sides.
(Sorry to interject, just done this trick before.)
Don't use any compound if you try the thermal pad trick again. Also make sure that the pad isn't too compressible. if it is you might have the base plate hit the frame before there is enough pressure on the pad/gpu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
with the shim, make sure it's thick enough and flat! you'll need compound on both sides.
Yeah, I got the piece of copper, but I need to cut it using a Dremel so I don't warp it. I should have some time tomorrow to redo this and post back results.
Sounds good, make sure you deburr the edges of the shim.
Good luck
Stephen/Gabe - can you please confirm that APD2 can be installed in any position (can be rotated)?Quote:
Originally Posted by phinix_mike
Yes it can.
However it's a large block and there may be positions in which it would interfere with components on your motherboard.
Cool, thanks. Yeah, there might be some caps or sth else on the way. That means I need to wait for the block before I try to arrange tubing routes inside the case:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
Did you guys receive them?:D
Hi Stephen!:D Sorry for being pain in a butt (you have rights to belt me here for being one:up:)- did you guys receive those awesome APD2?Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
It has been in transit for 10 days, I hope it hasn't been lost!:eek:
You lucky that the first shipment is coming by air otherwise you would have to 3-4 additional weeks :D
I am hoping it will get there today or tomorrow. We are expecting pumps on the 18th so we can start final assembly.
Stephen
Will you be selling any without the pumps? Some of us already have pumps, we just don't have much space in our machine for them.
It feels like this thread has announced the products eons ago...APD2 still not here...I'm still waiting :wave: :wiggle:
Yes I think we will do that.
In this case, please keep one APD2 from first air shipment for me!!!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
Looks like I'll be wanting one of the bare ones from the shipment. Will they come with the heatsink and LED module?
If we do sell it without the pump, it will be include everything but the pump, so yeah that would include heat sink, lighting, etc.
That would be perfect. Can't wait to get one here, my system is crying for a break from the heat.
Hello Stephen,
Seeing that you might sell without the pump, I will take 4x of these from the first shipment - I have about 6 or 7 DDC pumps, so yeah, no need for more..... Possible to reserve them for me?
No I'm sorry we have no pre-order list at this time.
I can send you an excel spreadsheet :rofl:
Hopefully you are getting a good bit in. Do we have pricing yet?
yes but we don't publish pricing until product release.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
let's put it that way though: it'll cost substantially less than buying an MCP35X + and Apogee HD.
Regarding selling the product without pump.. we'll have very limited qty for this initial product intro. My production is still a bit on the slow side, and we just don't have enough of them arriving with this shipment. So we might spare a few dozen pcs just to satisfy urgent needs. But these will go out of stock fairly quickly I presume. so if you need'em then grab'em quick.
MORE INFO:
To save you guys some costs, we'll have 3 separate versions:
- For Intel 1155, 1366
- For Intel 2011
- For AMD (all current sockets)
and we'll also sell the mount kits separately for those who want to upgrade, BUT I'll have no spare mount kits for 2011 and AMD for this shipment either. Sorry :-(
Product Introduction begins with the 1155/1366version. Again, sorry if you were waiting for 2011 or AMD, these will come on the next shipment in a couple of weeks. I know it's going to upset some of you, but there is nothing I can do about it now.
So based on Sidewindercomputers pricing
MCP35x is $86 and Apogee HD is $60 total is $146
"Substantially less" I would guess around $110 to $125 range. Not bad at all if that's the case.
If distributors list it under MSRP as they usually do then you're probably in the ball park.
No AMD on this round. :( Oh well, guess I got to wait a few more weeks.
Any day now...:)
I don't remember when I was waiting for a new product so much in the past:)
No. As a manufacturer, we always speak in terms of MSRP, not "street price", which is what you are quoting here.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
MSRP of 35X is $99.95
and HD is $74.95
Total MSRP $174.90
So MSRP for APD2 will be substantially less than that.
As to "street price"? in general don't expect them to drop at launch, but after competition sets in.. then it's up to the dealers.
I think you now have enough data to make an educated guess :)
I'm guessing $139.99
Here in UK it's a totally different subject... Retailers can even swap currency symbol and use same digits:(
I REALLY have to move to other side of the pond...
$149.99 is what I am expecting.
Swiftech Gabe or Stephen question for you guys
I am wondering if Swiftech is working on a new block for the Nvidia GTX 670 short PCB card? (NOT LONG) I was wondering if you guys plan on building something like pictured below like you did in the past for the 4870 GPU?
http://images.anandtech.com/doci/5818/EVGAPCB.jpg
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...60-4870_01.jpg
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...ymKCdMySEw&t=1
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...yNlkHsKG1u&t=1
Or is it going to be something in the lines of this below?
http://www.swiftech.com/images/HD5850-MVW60.jpg
Thanx Gabe for the info - please give us a heads-up once the pump-less versions are available - As I said, I will take 4, but need one quite urgently to finish my NAS box.
Appreciated.
ps; Comeon guys, let's not put Swiftech under pressure wrt the price and our expectations - it will be announced soon enough :)
Any news about water block for MSI Big Bang Xpower II, Gabe? I saw XSPC got it but I still wait for Swiftech.
http://www.xs-pc.com/products/waterb...aterblock-set/
Dave..... You do serve a mean dinner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Gabe don't pass on the freshness :-)
Any Swiftech plans for a water block for the 7990 that is supposedly launching on June 5th?
MCR140-QP and MCR240-QP arrived today. We'll start shipping soon =)
As seen here: http://www.facebook.com/SwiftechUSA
Stephen, you need to plug in our new facebook page :-) any facebook'ers at XS btw? we need more friends and likes :D
Joke aside, yes the rads are here.
please contact me at gabe@swiftech.com at your best convenience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
I got my Helix fans in and my first impressions are that they are very similar to the GT's. They move a decent amount of air mounted to a rad and are pretty quiet, both at 12v. The only thing I can say that I would like to see on future revisions are sleeved cables and arrows designating air flow and fan direction. Otherwise they seem as solid as any other fan and as I already stated, pretty quiet at 12v. I will try and get some pics up Sunday after I get back from camping.
Guys, please tell us you received APD2:)
I dunno, I could give them a few more days so I can have cash in hand.
The MCRx40 QP radiators have now been released :D
http://www.swiftech.org/images/produ...MCRX40X600.jpg
Enjoy !
Any plans for a triple 140mm rad?
can you update me on compatible cases ?Quote:
Originally Posted by CRFX
Heatsink for mcp35x2?
May 29th ETA for release.Quote:
Originally Posted by squick3n
Not sure how many other cases are compatible, but I have a NZXT Switch 810 than can use a triple 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
There's always external mounting too.
gabe: can you elaborate in a bit more details "Self-purging plenums" bits for new 140mm rads?
Just pulled the trigger on 2 x of these MCR140's for my Asus Z77 Mini ITX build.. Gabe I are these radiators shipped from Long Beach? If so I wish you guys allowed local pickup its on my way to work..Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Gabe, Stephen - pretty please for update on APD2 :)
Just giving this a bump for APD2, deal went well and I have plenty of money waiting on this, just waiting on you guys to get them in.
Guys, PLEASE let us know what is happening with APD2 ! :shocked:
Even if it's bad news! ..well...we all gonna cry if it is bad but...
Please let us know. Do you have them? Are they all ok, or does the transit didn't make it? Did the plain crashed? All pumps arrived pink? Please let us know, share with us.. we are all your fans - we can take it, even the worst :)
Just checked in and saw this.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
YGPM instead.
Yes, they are here in stock, they arrived Monday. Our pumps got delayed a bit, but thery are supposed to arrived today. Then we need to assemble, and dress the harnesses. I should be able to release the products over the week-end.Quote:
Originally Posted by phinix_mike
Hello Gabe,
Stephen mentioned we might be able to get a few units without the pumps - any chance of that, I would like to order 4? Can pay immediately....
How long before the AMD versions get here? Are we still looking at a couple weeks?
I need to sku the product on the web site first, and enter in accounting etc.. pls be patient.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBean
to the best of my knowlegde.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
@all:
No pumps arrived today :( so we are still sitting & waiting. we can't do anythinhg w/o the pump as the harnesses are dressed together with the LED..
I've been patient (mostly) thus far, I can still be patient.
Besides, I got new toys today. Still have to make sure they work.
Thank you for the update.
Thank you for update Gabe!
I hope those pumps come in today, so we can still hope for APDs out on Monday:up:
Thanx for the update, Gabe, appreciated - will patiently await the release of the units without the pumps then.
Apologies for the late reply, I was pretty miserable with a stomach bug, but back on track to full recovery :)
APD2 is here
:D
Sweet mother of god...Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
Gabe, you are a rock star!:D
Can I order one to be delivered to UK?
Hello Gabe, thanx, appreciated. How do we ship to Australia? The system complains it won't ship to my address?
I couldn't find the Helix120 thread (not sure we even made up), anyway just a small bump for the audio spectrum we just decided to publish. Those were, among many other things, used when we were deciding where we wanted to go with as far as 120mm fans for liquid cooling application are concerned.
http://www.swiftech.com/images/Helix...o-Spectrum.png
Quite decent response-curve, Stephen, and dare I say at 12V it would 'sound' more quiet due to less choppy sound waves produced at first startup - once it settles down, should be pretty similar at both voltage-levels - very impressive indeed!
Did you perfroms those tests with pure DC, or PWM?
Tests were done with DC voltage regulation.
I have three on a Swiftech drive radiator and they are pretty quiet at 12v compared to my other fans and they still move quite a bit of air through the rad. Definitely some good competition to the GT's.
Nice result, will get a few of these for my various systems :) These silent boys should keep the wife happy too!
Ah, life's bliss
Are there plans to release these fans at various RPM points? I would be more interested in one somewhere in the 1100-1500 RPM range