http://www.nytimes.com/external/vent...ref=technology
This should prove that Bulldozer is not a fiasco, just server focused, and we can hope they can make a version specialized for desktop users, but I think Llano is for that.
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http://www.nytimes.com/external/vent...ref=technology
This should prove that Bulldozer is not a fiasco, just server focused, and we can hope they can make a version specialized for desktop users, but I think Llano is for that.
Nope just chuck testa!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJP1DphOWPs
hahaha nice one.
so if they switch founderies there's a chance for lower TDP and higher clocked models? Xbitlabs has and interesting article http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...er_Fiasco.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by n!Cola
Basically saying dozer wasn't tweaked, possibly by next stepping?
Nice find but shocking to read, when people say AMD this AMD that, it's really the management people that messed up, nothing wrong with the engineers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkeywoman
Almost looks like that dude Rory is stood in front of a notorious BSOD!
We all waited 5 years for this... Sure hope the next stepping shows great improvement. :shakes:
Good luck waiting another 5 years :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ZhaoYun
JF-AMD commented on his IPC claims over at AnandTech forums:
This pretty much perfectly matches my expectations.Quote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD
I have absolutely no ill will at all towards JF-AMD personally, from the posts I've read from him in general he's a stand up guy, especially to have a skin thick enough to deal with some of the kids posting on the forums.
Everyone on this forum should know by now after dealing with this same ordeal over and over after every new product launch that nothing is concrete until final product launch and retail availability.
The internet flash mobs are like a bad storm for things like this but eventually it will blow over and things will be quiet until the next product launch nears and the flash mobs start building up again.
So that was all engineers's fault who told bullz to JF-AMD on A0 stepping ... WaoW, that's even worst from what i was thinkin' :eek:
I'd like to see some benchmarks of BD at 5ghz vs X6 at 4.2ghz and\or BD at 4.5ghz vs X6 at 3.8ghz
maybe with Piledriver (I hope for so) will be finally right about higher IPC than K10.5
Doubtful; see paragraph 3:Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...fx,3043-9.html
It is still a path forward for AMD, but unless they're low-balling estimates, most of the improvements will come from process rather than architectural tweaks. BD is still a nice product for the price; it just doesn't make terribly good use of die space / transistors in its current iteration. I think it'll find a lot of success as a part of an APU if it's paired w/ a balanced GPU.
I'm not 100% sure that Piledriver will have a much higher IPC than K10.5. Strictly based on rumours we've heard that the 15% figure will be from tweaks to the core (5%) and frequency gains (10%). The 5% due to tweaking is very much appreciated, but the 10% from frequency optimizations is questionable given the problems facing Global Foundries. It's too bad AMD wasn't releasing Piledriver right now and then working up from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
Let's all hope that AMD/Global Foundries can figure out their problems quickly. :)
being harassed would definitely suck... a lot. bulldozer is bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: but amd employees dont deserve to be harassed by idiot fanboys. though they will be harassed by idiot fanboys.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
JF-AMD may have stuck his foot in his own mouth but he definitely doesn't deserve to be harassed by anyone. It's just a CPU for heaven's sake. :up:
JF shouldn't be posting in internet forums to start with. Nothing good can ever come of that. You will always post somthing you'll regret at some point. The companies Ive worked for, it was blatantly obvious and/or company policy, if your caught posting in Internet forums or any other venue about company products, policy or practices, "your fired". Its that simple. Especially the 2 startups I worked for.
To comment on JF's comment, AMD is really disfunctional. Engineers dont know the IPC rates of the products their making??? Especiall after it's finished. Wow. So what, they sit in meetings at 1 AMD Place and say that IPC increases w/o really knowing. Makes no sence whatsoever. Since I work here in the Golden Triangle, just minutes from AMD, and an engineer myself making semi conductor fabrication equipment, i feel a certain kinship to these technology company's, but AMD is just baffleing to me.
I guess it's just deperation by AMD, their poor, always on the verge of bankruptcy, probably loosing talent by the week, I guess thell really always be just an also ran now.
RussC
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Originally Posted by zalbard
Ok people Bulldozer is a disappointment, why are people still trying to argue that there is something good about it ? Lets speculate on Intel's Extreme chip coming out soon.
I agree.. it makes no sense that the own engineers have no clue on how there product perform at all? Did they just thrown in some design clusters in a pot shook it and look what came out? :shrug:
The hate mail thing on the other hand.. well its unnecessary.. but you know its the internet:
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And that counts for pretty much verything on the internet.. still... ;)
RussC i disagree.
As long as you are really honest and standup there is nothing wrong with posting on forums and stuff like that. The problems start when you start twisting the truth or hide stuff or if you are dishonest. So if a company has thoose "your fired" policy i would be really worried about what theyre hiding.
JF has been very honest and standup in my opinion, the only minor mistake he did was stating as a fact that IPC would increase while all he could have said instead was that "the engineers tells me that ipc WILL increase" and no one would have any reason to bash him. Now dont get me wrong, i dont think he should be bashed for that minor "mistake" either, but this is the internet and there is tons of idiots out there. If he cant ignore thoose idiots then maybe internet is not for him...
I dont think there is many on this forum for instance that would be stupid enough to send him hatemail for what he said... (atleast i hope so)
Take Gabe from Swiftech. Oh man has he recieved alot of bashing for some of his decisions, (re-introducing alu after the 3000 series failure for instance) and i bet he wanted to just say f*** it and leave but didnt. After all most of the critique was because people do like Swiftech products and want the best. Luckily Gabe has stuck around and his post on this forum is BY FAR the best advertisment even tho he only really post about new products like a PSA or something(:p:) and honestly answering questions.
I hide my face in shame whenever i see a stupid youtube commercial video from AMD or nVidia and the like, omg they are so stupid, the make me cringe...
Then you have EK wich also has recieved alot or praise for beeing around and beeing honest. But when they had problems with theire nickleplating they said almost nothing. And recieved (deserved) alot of bashing. If they had only said "We are sorry, we have had some problems with the plating but are trying to fix it" it would be ok. People do mistakes, its ok as long as your honest.
Moral is... my point beeing, if your honest you cant really go wrong. The problems start when you start acting shady or doing shady stuff.
Ofc you cant always share everything, thats not my point. But just say so, "Im sorry, i cant share that info right now" or something in that line.
I disagree, he's a marketing guy that didn't understand the market he was working in nor the product he was selling. He works for AMD and he has to be careful about what he posts on the customer driven forums and he was not. Since his statements about the IPC were posted here he should of came back and made the post he made at anandtech here. His actions are typical of the average marketer create hype to get people to buy his company's product. Accuracy does not matter to a marketer because one can always backtrack.Quote:
Originally Posted by freeloader
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Originally Posted by ice_chill
there must be reasons for the failure. People are trying to figure out this new architecture that very much difference from conventional design.
For Intel's extreme chip, it is just SB + 2 extra cores. It doesn't bring new micro-architecture this time round. The debates would be much much lesser than launch of BD.
to some, AMD maybe is completely failed; but some beg to differ.
even if he doesn't know about the market or the product, he need not to promote IPC increase in ANY forums, since people buying server wouldn't look at Cinebench R11.5 or Winrar or x264 benchmarks.Quote:
Originally Posted by safan80
Why would people send hate-mail to JF ? All the time he talks about is about Server side Bulldozer (Opteron) performance , not "FX" Desktop productQuote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
He have mentioned uncountable times that he's not handling Desktop section !!
think of it this way. he is the most out there person from amd. simon just does hit and runsQuote:
Originally Posted by imamage
He is prolly not coming back though, getting all those hate mails I would just say nahh this aint worth my timeQuote:
Originally Posted by stangracin3
Pretty sad what fanboys did to JF, i guess they had to take out their hate somewhere but venting it out on JF is soo wrong. Such fanboys suk if you like some company you should like it in success and fall like i did with 3Dfx :P
I also had high hopes for BD but it seems this will also play out like Phenom did. Phenom represented a good change in architecture and well inclusion of things which were used in the bases for Nehalem but the execution of design was bad. Phenom 2 corrected the problems and showed the strength, BD seems similar PD will improve on the performance and Win8 in combo would yield a good advance but not a lot, this might be good enough to deal with IVB unlocked processors but not SNB-E or IVB-E.
I am also confused with AMD's AVX performance numbers :( My friends at server operations say that the design is very good the ideas are wonderful but the process used is neither small enough nor is the size small enough. Thus i think AMD may get higher speeds if they had used a native 6 core with higher speed but what do i know about silicon design i am just a debugging guy :P
http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/q...dozer/1212.jpg
http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/q...dozer/1213.jpg
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.co....php?p=3945761
Now ASrock is missing, which is even better then giga.
And AMD used CHV for reference :rolleyes:
Those results are horrible, I get 20 secs flat in pi with the CH V 9905 bios, same for cinebench R10 4104 here 1 thread, CB 11 5.99... His scores are way off. And sorry but 16secs Wprime 32, not even BD is capable of doing that...
Prolly some bogus setting overlooked, bad OS, AI suite running,... This doesn't proof much in my book...
Ex-AMD Engineer Explains Bulldozer Fiasco: Lack of Fine Tuning.
Performance that Advanced Micro Devices' eight-core processor demonstrated in real-world applications is far from impressive as the chip barely outperforms competing quad-core central processing units from Intel. The reason why performance of the long-awaited Bulldozer was below expectations is not only because it was late, but because AMD had adopted design techniques that did not allow it tweak performance, according to an ex-AMD engineer.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...er_Fiasco.html
Would be sad if true...
The problem is that when you work with big companies like AMD the NDA continues even if you doesn't work with the company any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoredByLife
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its strange....I have C5F and 8120 and I has doferent score exmaple in superpi...with 8120 at 4GHz Turbo I had 22sQuote:
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its strange....I have C5F and 8120 and I has doferent score exmaple in superpi...with 8120 at 4GHz Turbo I had 22sQuote:
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/t...-fx8150-tested
The slide showing AMD's roadmap is interesting. They plan to update the core yearly, just like how they're doing it with their GPU sector.
It never happened before during the whole time AMD's been releasing processors, where they stuck to a 2-year release schedule. I'm thinking this is like Fermi, starts off bad (though in bulldozer's case, pretty bad), but may start to pay off after optimizations in the end.
Nice to look forward to new processors each year.
as long as they dont require motherboard upgrades ever change
^ So true, though it doesn't matter to me. I upgrade infrequently and every time I do, it's a whole new PC.
Which bios did you use sir ? 9905 gave a good boost over 0083 and 0813, hope to test 9911 soon... Seems the scores in that OC thread are due to non working turbo,... I can't explain them bad cores he listed... asked for a UD5/7 board to compare...Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
So we get delays every year instead of every two years? Yay.
AMD FX-8150 Black Edition prices already falling
http://www.guru3d.com/news/prices-am...ready-falling/Quote:
Last weeks released AMD FX processors have gotten quite a bit of attention from the tech press and and end-users in the forums. I was just browsing some price watch engines and it seems that prices are already dropping, quite a bit.
The new 8-core AMD FX-8150 Black Edition can already be spotted for a price as low as 213 EUR. Considering this product launched at 245 EUR 5 days ago, that's quiite a difference....
It has to happen sometime... at 2500K price level these CPUs will sell even more, now when PL drops of the 8120, this can become an interesting value CPU...
Am i the only one that could not care if jfamd has hurt fellings or not? Its so simple, he is not an engineer here out of the goodness of his heart, he gets paid to sell amd, he is in marketing and fooled a lot of people into beliving bd would be awsome. I dont blame him as this is his job people. Marketing=lie , just look at the amd marketing on you tube where they use a 2500k and lie that it is a 980!!
Jf will be back probaly under a new user name at the next product launch, its his job afterall.
considering he's on server not desktopQuote:
Originally Posted by gallag
maybe server BD is awesome? so he's not technically fooling anyone :shrug:
i wouldn't want to be in his pants tho with all this "WHY BULDOZAR NO PERFORM! hatemail he's getting"
That hatemail is perfectly justified. Instead of blaming the community for it, he should be asking himself WHY. If he doesn't know how to do his work properly, first creating this situation and then failing to handle it, he shouldn't be doing this in the first place.
This is what happens when people from a company post in the web. Francois is another example.
Hatemail is never justified, it just shows what a bunch of spoiled brats those people are. If one should have incentive to creating hatemail it says much about their own weak personality.Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
If anything JF should be apologizing to the people here for all the delays and the subpar performance. That would be the honorable thing to do. We were promised by AMD very specific increases that we absolutely did not see; if anything he specifically earned all the venting as he is in charge of marketing (regardless of server or desktop, BD doesn't have a 50% increase of thuban at same clocks)
What does he class as hate mail btw? is it just people asking WTF? I think it is fair to ask him why he was so misleading. deffo dont think he should receve abusive emails though.
People are really nutty here, why would an employ be put on death row if its employer did something wrong. From what i gather JF is not that up in the food chain to be accountable for BD fiasco.
If it was not so i would have been liable for Intel's P4 problems and so would all other employs. Its never a good idea to interact with consumers directly, people at Intel interact with server level consumers all the time and we have a forum setup specially for that purpose where question on future products and other questions are answered . If normal run of the mill consumers were allowed to enter they would spam the hell out of the forum not to mention the nightmare the online staff will need to handle heheh.
Ideas that AMD has put out again and again like they did with Phenom and BD are wonderful and really progressive. The only problem is execution and the so called expose by Ex- AMD worker is well hogwash. Intel works with automated computer design program all the time, this is how we select a specific layout. Then the design is redone via hand and this is also done via computer assistance "Just imagine a doctor with a laser pointer pen with clickers in-front of a huge screen".
Looking at his comments, I think he's just being passive aggressive about the whole situation. While he does take a bit of responsibility saying that he was just wrong, he also makes it seem that its the fault of the consumer for being upset with them. That's just rediculous, you should expect a lot of angry investors during the launch of a bad product if you're the horse's mouth - that's just how it works. And yes people who waited forever to get a BD build over SB are investors as well, as they invested a lot of time without an upgrade not to mention probably spent a lot of energy trying to justify their waiting.
I'm willing to bet he'll come back. It's like a massive fight in a relationship, lots of yelling, but in most cases (especially if it's just the first one) both sides will want to reconcile. Give him some time, my guess is he'll apologize for "unknowingly" (we'll never know if this is true or not, just have to trust him) misleading people and forgive the haters.
NO he should not need to, it is not his fault for getting crap info out of an engineer.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
And don't forget the fact he kept saying this is for server products, yet everyone wants to yell at him for desktop client side.
kinda like the video on youtube of interlagos and people are yelling "LOL FAILDOZER!" :shakes:
*sigh*Quote:
Originally Posted by demonkevy666
This is the problem with our generation, there's no sense of responsibility. You take care of your actions, regardless of why they occurred. So 1 engineer gave him bad info, that's his fault for not checking up on it with the rest of the team. Not to mention he could have just looked at the data himself instead of listening to what the guys designing it are saying. Would you ever tell your boss you are designing a product that will flop? Of course not.
JF mislead the people here, whether intentional or not. As head of marketing it's his responsibility (as he gets paid lots of money to do this) to make sure all information he puts out there is accurate. When you say IPC increases with a sense of authority, then clearly you are insinuating to the people that you know something from your position and it is no longer just an opinion of yours.
I tend to agree with you. But still it doesn't justify sending hatemails. Hatemails is just an animal like approach to dealing with something not meeting your expectations. Sure, you can be mislead, but being destructive about it is not very rational behaviour...Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
Of course my good chap. I never said anywhere that people should be allowed to send hatred. I'm just saying he's not being a man about this situation and should have expected backlash from the weaker minded. I would have a lot more respect for the guy if he would make a few statements here apologizing about performance, then i'm almost positive the forum would have self-moderated those causing trouble by making it socially unacceptable.
BD 2 will clear it up and likely windows 8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Vodka
wassup ali ? hope all is well.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
I like the 8 core idea I just think a revision or two is needed like the whole phenom thing.
people here tend to whine a bit about whos beating who but AMD makes chips that get the job done for less.
Most pc users dont care about fps as much as a smooth and relatively fast experience. its not even worth mentioning here that amd's release dates are investor pressured . that cant be fun in any way, definitely has lost them points in the geek community.
that and HMK on SOI was a freaking nightmare for a while. add to that 32nm. not an easy task.
id buy one if i had money to burn, then replace it in a year when better revisions were out.
Stop posting the same thing in both the AMD BD threads...Quote:
Originally Posted by BoredByLife
They are relevant in both threads... What are you so mad about?Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaidev
JF clearly commented that IPC would increase on BD and we all know what happened with that comment. Stop sticking up for him, he made mistakes and I'm sure he's learned from them. Let's just all move forward now and put this whole fiasco behind us and look forward to BD's variants.
http://muropaketti.com/artikkelit/pr...8150-zambezi,5
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AMD is a little too ahead of the times with this design. It seems we have to wait for Windows 8 for things to improve a little. Still, it is a server design first and desktop second, but not a complete failure. I guess most of us are butthurt because it isn't the WTFPWNASAURUS for gaming we hoped it would be. The AMD platform is still good and cost effective overall. Maybe we can look towards Trinity (designed for desktop) with a little hope now.
I mean, AMD clearly advertised in their slides that it would offer "similar" to 970x performance in gaming. I think that's fair reason for the consumer to actually expect it to be there
thats not saying much for an 8 core. small gains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechromancer
You mean AMD just launched a CPU that needs specialized code not to suck, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechromancer
Usually new CPUs need specialized code to shine instead. Big difference.
If there is a problem with L1 cache writes and they fix this then it might be increased IPCQuote:
Originally Posted by freeloader
It also depends on what type of software that is executed, server software might work better on bulldozer compared to synthetic tests on desktops
Now that might be a legitimate issue, perhaps transistor density played into it? I can see process having a big influence there
no it needs a specialized code to suck less :DQuote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
it could be a deposition issue. I remember reporting on HMK SOI compatibility issues at xcpus suck.com. I also remember JJ showing a cross section of an intel chip and the comparison to amd chips was pretty striking. AMD looked like lumps of metal and intels looked neat and clean. also another issue could be soi itself as the nodes lower soi becomes problematic.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
Tose possibilities aside Transistor density wouldnt account for that I think, other than the possibility of requiring more latency to process.
A question....
Can you disable Turbo Core to force the CPU to work at a fixed frequency independently of the workload? I suspect if you make that and you disable all the energy-saving options like C1E you'll notice a great speed boost.
Yes you can. Visit the AMD section to see what we're all up to with these chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by jogshy
It's not quite an 8 core. This is more or less AMD's stab at hyper-threading. It's essentially 4 full cores that can handle 8 threads. A few review sites touched on that fact, but most ignored it.Quote:
Originally Posted by verndewd
The only problem is that it takes so much die space that it SHOULD be an 8-core.
I find it a bit ridiculous that JF is getting all this flack.
Most of his posts (particularly those dealing with the "Bulldozer 20 questions" blogs) were factual and really didn't over hype the architecture or the performance thereof. You guys are feeding him to the wolves before the HPC processor he talked about (Interlagos) has even been extensively benchmarked. Granted, there were a few posts here and there that could be picked apart by detractors but for the most part, the information he brought to the table was often insightful and lent some sanity to discussions populated with people who didn't know what they were talking about. Most forums would kill to have someone like him around and yet here he gets crucified.
Even more to the point, you guys seem to have forgotten that some of XS's premier members (and supposedly those who should have been "in the know") and certain websites were the ones who propagated the vast majority of erroneous information to members. To be honest, most of the extreme amount of hype came from people who were doing nothing but musing about what Bulldozer COULD be. I won't point fingers here but if you're butthurt about being misled, this witch hunt is going after the wrong individual.
No this is not like HT at all, this has more benefits than HT SMT but it also takes up more space. CMT will also be adopted by Intel in the future and with a beefed up shared areas dont expect performance to suffer. From what i have been told a further HT SMT implementation on the CMT is possible and the added sizer would only be around 2-4% of the twin core CMT and presto you get 4 threads out of 2 CMT cores.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
This AMD way is the future too bad AMD is super bad in execution of the idea. Phenom had a wonderful arc. and so does BD but both failed where it mattered the most not to mention their power consumption figures...
Saying "AMD is super bad in execution of the idea" about the design of Bulldozer isn't really true. I believe they're anticipating trends in the computing requirements, obviously focusing more on server side than client side. Bulldozer can work well if the software is there to properly feed X amount of threads through Y amount of compute units.
It's really the same thing as multiple cores and the software side adoption of multi-threaded apps. It will take time for a new architectural change to show improvement if the software is the same old same old off the self code. You can't make changes to increase a programs performance if the hardware behind it doesn't know how to handle it, and hence an architectural change is required first.
Take a look at SuperPi... single threaded program. Move now to (can't think of names at the moment) multi threaded Pi programs. The multi-threaded programs can achieve higher performance, but until the first multi-core CPU, the performance will stay the same. Same with BD and future iterations of it.
x264 should have been the application BD totally dominated it is merely enough, we're talking 8 cores vs 4 cores 8 threads for intel.Quote:
Originally Posted by eRazorzEDGE
Needless to say a vast majority of folks don't use any software that requires 8 threads or cores at any one time so it's not heading in a direction that will improve the user experience at all if overall performance is sacrificed to gain those extra cores or threads.
At any rate I think it becomes more clear as to why there has been such a big management shakeup at AMD over the past year.
Well Intel also focuses on server market with most new architectures this includes SNB or Haswell. Ya i know SNB-E is for the heavy work but to get SNB-E you need a base that you can be worked on. Whenever a new design is proposed parts of the chip is simulated this is called virtual chip emulation. Single thread performance was seen reduced in preliminary emulations for Nehalem arc the way out was to get a system like Intel Turbo Boost implemented. AMD 's turbo is not as effective as Intel's not to mention that since the Bulldozer has pretty much linear performance a proper turbo implementation on a module could have lead to a very substantial gain.Quote:
Originally Posted by eRazorzEDGE
Now for the multi thread thing yes BD is good for multi threads but its not good in power efficiency. In fact when loaded it eats up the same amount of power as a QX6xxx a quad core made in 65nm.
EDIT: Forgot to include that i also think that BD will be good in servers because of the parallel nature of the arc. but there is a possibility of resource scarcity.
Netburst got off to a rougher start and still improved, but I'm a gamer not a bench-marker and that architecture was always a turd to me till its final literation. I think BD will end upa little bit better; like K10, underwhelming till finally okay to excellent value, its unfortunately not going to shake intels tree in the high end as I was hoping. I just hope all those who threw a hissy fit over the blatant writing on the wall take a piece of humble pie and shut up next time someone is less than impressed by team red.
But that's just it, all processors, even ARM, are heading towards more cores. Just because software hasn't caught up to multi-core processors doesn't mean that CPU engineers should go back to making single core chips. The engineers have decided that more cores at a certain clock is faster and more efficient to engineer, manufacture, and power/operate than a single core at a really high clock.Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
Also, I believe the FX-8150 is a four core processor. They may tout it as an 8-core, but I believe it's really supposed to be a physical solution to Intel's logical hyper-threading.
There is exactly one major reason why we are moving to multiple cores:Quote:
Originally Posted by eRazorzEDGE
One key problem is that the complex multiple-issue dispatch logic scales somewhere between quadratically and exponentially with the issue-width. That is, the dispatch logic of a 5-issue processor is almost twice as big as a 4-issue design, with 6-issue being 4 times as big, 7-issue 8 times and so on.
Humans have significant problems when it comes to reasoning about parallel execution and thus depend more and more on language level abstractions. Then comes the inevitable source of the problem :
Humans generally are single taskers aka we only play one game at a time or work on a single document at a time.
Thus anything depending on human input is largely limited by the serial nature of the human at the keyboard.
Now if you go into servers or scientific calculations, then the limit is not the human but rather the number of GFLOPs the hardware can crank out in a second.
Thus for the desktop the goal is not more cores and higher performance but rather more integration and lower cost and lower power.
For servers and scientific calculations the goal is more cores, faster cores and lower power.
... and what I got from this is I need to clone myself, so I can double use my PC :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
IPC/IPS/CPI etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparky
i 1000000000% agree with you my friend, you are spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
some of the top guys here on this forum who most look upto were the ones saying BD was a win, but they have had no grilling and are invisible even tho they gave incorrect info, JF gets it all and i think its unfair.
there followers wont admit it anyway.
Dang...Quote:
Originally Posted by duron
Could be a good thing, force MS hand to issue a patch for Bulldozer!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechromancer
I think there is a good chance it is fixable with Bios update..
First Phenom I had also BSOD-ed randomly from time to time.
AMD Appoints Mark Papermaster as Senior Vice President and Chief Technology Officer - AMD
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SUNNYVALE, Calif. —10/19/2011
AMD (NYSE: AMD) announced today that Mark Papermaster, 50, has joined as the company’s senior vice president and chief technology officer. He will report to President and Chief Executive Officer Rory Read and will oversee all of AMD’s engineering, research and development (R&D), and product development functions as the head of the newly-formed Technology and Engineering Group. Papermaster, who was most recently vice president of Silicon Engineering at Cisco, will be responsible for establishing and executing the company’s technology and product roadmaps, integrated hardware and software development, and overseeing the creation of all of AMD’s products.
could AMD possibly have "antenna gate" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
If true, this would cement bd as the worst cpu ever, i thought intels p4 would hold that title for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by duron
Maybe amd should take panic plan-B into action and start making 32nm Phenoms instead. They have had plenty of time with Bulldozer but it simply sucks so bad in practice and i dont think there will be any miraclous improvements with Piledriver.
Yeap,Bulldozer is the worst fail of this decade so far.Never ever in history a company would release a model that's worse than it's predecessor.
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Originally Posted by SKYMTL
really thanks for this words sky .............
but i can imagine this is internet and sadly we all know how it work.
problem is AMD is too small and their branding is not strong enough to make money off of bad processors. They need bulldozer to succeed because it takes too long for them to pump out a new architecture. Staying with phenom would seal their fate because the architecture has reached a dead end. Adding more cores is the only way AMD seems to be adding performance lately and doing this with phenom will add very little return in performance. Adding 2 more cores to the t1xxx series, to make octocores will not get them very far.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilkkahy
What AMD will need to do is hang onto their niche netbook/ ultra budget laptop line to survive(a problem with this market is it appears to be eroding due to tablets), unless BD is fixable. BD has to succeed if they want to be for longer than 4 years. AMD is in for some pain for the short term though and their stock price reflects this.
I have a feeling performance won't improve that much with Piledriver either. Even if it does require special coding to succeed, AMD does not enough pull to make companies code for it enough to sway the market.
AMD apologizes about wrong 2500K/980X R11.5 score - AMD Official
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Recently AMD posted a video comparing the performance of the AMD FX processor to both the Intel Core i5 and Core i7 processors. Unfortunately, during the production of this video, the graphics were not correctly labeled. Some of you noticed this error and pointed it out to us. As a result, we immediately took down the video, corrected the mislabeled graphics, and we’ve reposted the updated video
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Unfortunately, during the production of this video, the graphics were not correctly labeled.