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job security??? is that a good thing ??? :ROTF:
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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
job security??? is that a good thing ??? :ROTF:
(I cannot be too damning here, having contributed to the original-now-famous-ewe-blow-up)
yes, girl, you are GUILTY as charged. You are a true long-time friend who I have not met in person yet. We still should do former NBFersLAN ;) :rofl: Hey, that sounds familiar. A group of people get banZored in dramatic fashion from a MAJOR forum and go start their own. So much for originality these daysQuote:
Originally Posted by shazza
keep up the great work skinnee! I can't wait to see the final results all put together.
Nice one skinnee, were getting closer to the ultimate truth about watercooled 480s..! quick question though, off the top of your head did you notice if the aqua block was heavier than the majority?
snip....-Vapor
The wait will be worth it, no need to rush things! I wish game Dev's would employ the no need to rush things, it gives them time to polish everything. I'm interested in which block will perform best! :up:
Great work, skinnee ...
Some posts cleaned, if your post has been edited or deleted, you probably know why without me telling. No warnings were given or out anything, let's just keep the religious talk down (especially the us vs. them stuff).
Carry on :)
On a more productive post, i've just noticed the WaterCool HeatKiller for GTX 480 includes a backplate! not only that but it only weighs 850 grams too! and @ £73 makes it cheaper than ek block + backplate
taken from the website :
1x HEATKILLER® GPU-X³ GTX480
1x Backplate GTX480
@ell - I've been searching high and low for the HeatKiller GTX480 block - would you mind posting the url.
Many thanks.
PS - great work Skinnee - I look forward to the results.
today,i receive new zotac gtx 480.
my old evga gtx 285 have mcw60r,and this wb fit perfect to gtx 480.
vga work in idle at 38-39 grades,and at full load 48-50 grades.
http://i49.tinypic.com/1zezcb8.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/2d5fd4.png
Just so you know I'm not just kicking back playing BF:BC2 and still waiting for a sammich... a little teaser. :cool:
http://skinneelabs.com/assets/images...80_teaser1.png
Mounting up the EVGA/Swiftech block in a few minutes.
:shocked: which one is the green line?
EK, what else?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mk-ultra
Nha, just kidding i wanna know it to before i make the decision but for me EK has the advatage as the SLI-link is what i like and watercool is not an option for me.
I think the green is either EK or Aquacomputers xDQuote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
They both are superior in terms of design, the Aquagrafx sticks out because it only has microfins for the GPU, not the VRM so most of the cooling will be left for the GPU. It's like the Swiftech block, where it's a hybrid, which most ppl hate. But it DOES perform much better, or at least it should, because rather than focusing on cooling everything (including the VRM's etc), the Swiftech focuses mainly on the GPU so naturally the GPU should be cooler.
Here's a pic of the Aquagrafx 480's internals, it's simply amazing wouldn't you say?
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8124/68443353.th.jpg
Above shows how much focus is on the GPU rather than the other components. Compared to the VRM's...
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/338/32157760.th.jpg
And here's the external,
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/9176/23382148.th.jpg
That's all for now, if you want more pictures check out the gallery.
It's not an EK, EK uses an acrylic like top piece.
Ek have both acetal and plexi topsQuote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
Ditto.Quote:
Originally Posted by blazarcher
Thanks for posting the pictures Blazarcher.
I simply couldn't wait for the test results to arrive so have ordered the Aqua block. Few reasons for my impatient decision:
The microfins always seem to work well in any block, and heck why shouldn't they; if the flow hits it right there's tons of surface area.
The Aqua block comes with a backplate.
It seems one of the lightest.
It's made by Aquacomputers.
It looks cool :)
Wow - looking forward to seeing this!
~Bex
All temps are well within acceptable I would think. Im more worried about GPU cooling.
if you go to http://www.watercool.de/online-shop/ and type in 480 its the only thing that comes up mate :up: they also sell it at aqua tuning I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by P5ym0n
Im going to stick it out to the bitter end after every last block has been thoroughly tested including the heatkiller (which is the last block to be tested?)
That green line.. its gotta be the EK seeing as someone in the Nvidia section hit 966mhz stable with it, all thanks to low vrm temps he reported back as I quote from http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...249801&page=14 thread
and isn't that roughly the temps give or take 1-2°C on the green line? :rolleyes:Quote:
I don“t cool VRM's any other way. VRM's are not very hot at the GTX 480 cards.
Between 40°C und 47°C Load are possible 10 - 15MHz Core.
then again, doesn't koolance have micro channels cooling the vrms?
These are at stock speeds and voltages....push the card hard and the Bitspower (and probably others) can't keep the VRMs tamed. This is a very basic teaser :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by StAndrew
Guess I just confirmed the green line isn't BP :rolleyes:
Actually my guess is green line: koolance
purple line: danger den
red line and dark blue one: ek or aqua
and light blue is bitspower.
I am right skinee ?
Definetley, i'll tell you right now the bitspower block is going to be the worst block in every situation, no questions asked!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
stop teasing us skinnee :D
Bitspower isn't green or light blue and the relative performance of the blocks isn't nearly the same when OC'd.
I'm done talking now though, just thought I'd throw a bit of a wrench into some of the theories out there :p:
The green line reminds me that I still need a sammich. :cool:
Yeah, HK will be last since it has not arrived nor do I have shipment confirmation. I'm not holding things up for something that may never come to fruition.
yeh.. its the dark blue! im convinced it's the poorest block, doesn't look like any thought went into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
thank you!
finally a sammich. :rofl:
I'm getting really impatient too! I can go ahead and get the EK now or get the AC which I REALLY want. -OR- I can wait for some comparisons to see which is really the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by P5ym0n
I think I'll go with Aquacomputers xD
Because I already own the blocks I hope so :) I have not looked at the BP blocks much other than the fact that they totally hosed the inlet and outlet design.Quote:
Originally Posted by snoro
question, if I were to buy a pair of EK's nickel back plates now would they work with any water block? Outrageously priced yes but they are the most aesthetically pleasing and do cover the entire back of the pcb unlike aquas which looks very puny.
EVGA Hydro Copper Install video
Since the block was already mounted up, I had to see what a run of stock and OC with a fan zip-tied onto the VRM air-sink.
http://skinneelabs.com/assets/images...fanmount-h.jpg http://skinneelabs.com/assets/images...fanmount-v.jpg
Turns the single slot into a dual though. Still waiting on the first run to finish.
I see u've got your sammich and going strong... :D
Aqua Computer GTX 480 making of video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Yd8...eature=channel
Wow, amazing video, thanks for the share.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xandrus
Already written down, but official again:
We have a new video online. This time we show you how an aquagrafx GTX 480 block is built.
http://ac.shoggy.de/youtube_making_o...fx_gtx_480.jpg
Resolution is available up to 1080p :cool:
Took a lot of time to get everything captured and cutting the video was a nightmare since YouTube limits the max. time to 10 minutes. My first try ended up with around 12 minutes so I had to get rid of 120 seconds of eye-candy... :(
And not enough: I had to upload the video (1,9GB) two times since YouTube stopped at around 95% - arghhhhhhhh!!!
Well, I hope you like it and maybe some of you will get a better idea of how much work such a block is :)
Very cool video Shoggy (especially the laser part) and excellent work as well with the editing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoggy
Seems like one hell of a block this one from Aquacomputer lol. Almost made me feel sorry for choosing EK xD! Great video!
Aye, nice video.
I'm eager to see the results of Skinnee's testing now, even though I've ordered the Aqua block :)
Amazing video! If only we have easy access to CNC and laser cutting machines.
Fine example of the renowned German engineering, too!
Phil
Amazing video, thank you for share it
nice video! the laser part was amazing!
Yeah I wouldn't purchase it for several reasons but the most obvious to me is the crappy placement of the inlet and outlet. What were they thinking? I guess they want you to have to buy another $100 worth of fittings in order to connect your cards... Unless they have something up their sleeve and they designed it that way because they plan to sell a series on connection blocks like EK and HK have?Quote:
Originally Posted by ell
The BP Block comes with two single rotary 90 degree shiny silver fittings. I just asked the seller to ship me matte black fittings instead. $100 for fittings just to make it work? What, do you live in South Africa too? I spent $10 US on a 45 degree angle to connect the tube to the MB block, but I would have had to do that anyways with any block... Actually, I feel you have more flexibility with the two rotaries since you can turn them 360 degrees...Quote:
Originally Posted by Section8
Here's a picture of mine, and I circled the above mentioned 90s...
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n...ockExample.jpg
Well that's is for sure a good piece of information for people to know if they are interested in the BP block. What fittings do you think would be required if you were running a tri-sli setup with these BP blocks though? Again thanks for sharing as I am a big fan of BP and this totally had be dumbfounded when I saw the way they had their inlet and outlet on their blocks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ForceFed_B16A
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Originally Posted by Systemlord
Bingo. Here's my Acetal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bodkin
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...f/d09c9350.jpg
480 GTX and i7 in a single loop? ouch!
awesome video from aqua, greatly increases my respect for them. And to be participating in this thread really makes me feel they care about the customer
well a 240 rad can handle a GTX 480 with ease so even a 360 should do really well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ell
define "with ease". :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Helloworld_98
Temp wise, sure... but I'm seeing 10C Air to Water deltas across the radiator (Triebwerk Low's @ Full RPM, Push) in testing the blocks. 10C is my typical target... but the card is still able to plow through the heavy loads of each run.
i have a 480 + i7 in a single loop and no ouch :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by ell
Yeah but wouldn't a dual loop be better for your CPU as the CPU's temps matter more. I mean, you could easily be running your GPU's @ 80C with no problems though obviously you wouldn't want to run it THAT high.Quote:
Originally Posted by mk-ultra
The CPU is VERY sensitive to heat so it has to be cooled without including the GPU as the GPU's produce A LOT more heat than the CPU.
Originally I thought a Single Loop would be best for my build. But if you want to really push your CPU to it's limits (Extreme O/C for benching, etc) than you should really go with a Dual Loop setup.
Except in a few scenarios, I think single loop is the better option.
In addition to getting better CPU temps when CPU is loaded the most (i.e., when the GPU isn't loaded) and better GPU temps when the GPU is loaded (i.e., when the CPU isn't fully loaded), you also get higher flowrates and pump redundancy (if you're going to do dual loops, you need two pumps...might as well put those pumps in serial in a single loop).
Of course there are exceptions to the above depending on radiator and heatload balance, but people often forget that you also get the cooling power of both radiators when you go to a single loop, not just the additional heat of the other processor(s).
lol please don't convince me to going Single loop AGAIN! What if your going with Dual DDC's for both loops? That would be better than a single loop with Dual DDC's (In serial or w/e). Though you can't really ignore the simplicity of a single loop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
temps for gpu(stock) hits like 53, cpu no more than 75 on hottest core(4.5ghz) i have no problem with a single loop, but i have 3 rads tho.
80oc for a gpu is nothing, i don't know why people goes nuts on gpu temp like that, they can run 80+ all day long.
Most likely a dual loop would be better, but double pumps, more tubing going everywhere while single loop does the job perfectly, and i'm not the one to watch temps constantly, CPU/GPU can handle lots more heat than what a proper water cooling loop will let it see.
Interesting theory. My theory is by seperating the heat loads to two independent radiators you achieve better cooling and lower load tempsQuote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Since I crunch at Seti@Home, It's been said that 80c is the upper limit for crunching on a video card, sorry It's a bit general, But I can't remember more.Quote:
Originally Posted by mk-ultra
@ Skinnee, Nice thread, I'll be awaiting Your results, I'm currently in process of building a fully water cooled PC w/3 GTX470 cards and an i5 750 cpu in a HAF-932 case and in two loops. But Its going to be a while before I can do much as I have the A/C in the Car to fix first, Buy some ram, etc, etc, etc... and I can't do all of what I'd like to do all at once, As I'm a disabled person living on a fixed income from the SSA. :D
That's gonna be real interesting. But then there comes the whole 2x GTX 480 vs 3x GTX 470's. I believe the GTX 480's comes out on top.Quote:
Originally Posted by JokerCPoC
After seeing the AquaGrafix build... does anyone want to make a thread on watercooling component creation?
For games Yes, But since I don't play too many games, The cards are mainly for crunching Seti WU's(CUDA), they'll be in Parallel of course with Koolance blocks on the P7P55D Pro that's in My sig, I have to buy a bigger psu than the Enermax 1050w Revolution 85+ psu that I have in the case now, But that will until about August, On top of that I want to save up for a larger house in a cooler climate near where I used to live in 2004, As It's 107F(42C) outside and 80F(21.5C) inside, It would be nice If someone would buy the Mobilehome I live in and own, As the market looks pretty flat out here(dismal in fact for the moment), So once I have enough saved up and I can get an offer in writing from the park(I rent the land under My mobilehome), I can then apply for a mortgage with the down payment assistance program from the city I want to move back to and then I can move out of here at long last. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by blazarcher
I see, well that makes a lot of sense now. In all the reviews I've seen, the 3 GTX 470's came out in terms of synethic GPU tests. The Enermax 1050W will definitely be good enough. However, I think you should try out Corsair's recently announced, AX Series? Gold Series PSU's. You should aim for the 1200W version for future upgrades. The AX1200 is actually GOLD certified with over 90% efficiency. Either way, you'll be getting a great PSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by JokerCPoC
I fully and absolutely concur. I just verified it myself as I was testing for the Influence of flow rate on system temps article. In fact I do intend on publishing another data set soon on the subject matter. Excellent call vapor!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Of course It does 100.4 Amps on the single 12v rail and that may be Max power(peak?), Besides My electric bill isn't huge($45-$55 a month), Even in the summer, I'm looking at a JonnyGURU reviewed psu, The Ultra X3 1600w psu, It has 117A, So It's closer to future proof and I do like to overclock(a lot), So I'll need the power and I know where I can lay My hands on one in August for what I can afford.Quote:
Originally Posted by blazarcher
I use independent loops and have been very happy with the results.Quote:
Originally Posted by ell
Hello everybody!
Great thread, Skinnee!
Could anyone who owns a Koolance VID-NX480 cooler tell me, which screws are used for mounting? M3 x 12 or something else?
Many thanks in advance.
Don't even think about getting an Ultra/thermaltake PSU. They are both notorious for breaking down. Honestly, stick with Enermax or Silverstone when it comes to PSU's.Quote:
Originally Posted by JokerCPoC
Ultra's 1600W PSU can't really output 1600W BTW and the Thermaltake PSU breaks down all the time.
The HardOCP reviewed It and so did Driver Heaven and Hi-Tech Reviews, I've read the review of It at the HardOCP and Driver Heaven says It passed the FCC and is UL rated, So I'm satisfied.Quote:
Originally Posted by blazarcher
Oh and I owned a Thermaltake 750w Toughpower, I never had a problem with It and I ran It 24/7 too, While an OCZ 700w psu had to be replaced, I'm still using that OCZ replacement psu, It's a 900w psu of course.
I dunno i had a very bad experience with ULTRA PSU was a 1000 watt with all the passes , stickers, good reviews bla bla.. It didnt handle my setup so i ditched it and picked up a Corsair HX850, have never had any problems since. I tried using the ULTRA PSU on an older comp i have and it ended up just dieing. Go with a product thats reliable , highly used, and known. Reviews are just smoking mirrors
See Joker, this is exactly the kind of experience that you'll have if you blindly believe that Thermaltake and Ultra make great PSU's. Honestly the only thing good about Ultra products are there "something-flex" cables. As for Thermaltake, I don't really have much to say except that I know a few people who have had bad experiences with their PSU's. Not to mention many people seem to believe Thermaltake = :banana::banana::banana::banana:. I don't know about the last bit but their watercooling solutions are just that, :banana::banana::banana::banana:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aedubber
Look just cause I had a Thermaltake at one time, Doesn't mean I was going to buy one, As I didn't say I was going to, ok? Thank You.Quote:
Originally Posted by blazarcher
Ok, But I'm still going to get It, As all psu makers have had bad psus and some people will overload theirs(most of the time You only see those who have a problem, Not those who don't), Heck I overloaded a 300w psu that was in My HP PC by just adding a USB wireless device to the PC(I'd removed a 56K modem which I thought would do, It didn't, There was only one other thing to remove, A TV Tuner card, Which I need in case the lamp for My 57" TV dies as their a $90 part to replace), I had to shoehorn a used/abused Corsair 850w TX psu into the case(after repairing a fan blade abused cable), And HP objected a lot to that when I called them, As if the PC was still under warranty(which had passed away in 2007), I'd thought I could put a better video card in It, But cause HP didn't allow for a different video card, The Bios will not shut down the built in one, So the HP PC remains a Media Center PC w/an ATi chipset, MSI made the motherboard of course and a Bios replacement with an MSI Bios could be done as their both available(a replacement motherboard with a socketed Bios would be easier and more costly), But It needs a socket to be installed and I'm not good enough to install a PLCC socket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aedubber
Here's the inside of an X3 1600w psu:
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/atta...3&d=1178371872
The X3 has two fans an 80mm in the rear and a 135mm on one of the sides. The picture above came from the 2000w thread.
The PSU that was the X3 2000W...(Later became the X3 1600w psu)
The quote below came from this closed thread: X-3 1600W now for sale. Can we get a review?
It's good endorsement, Just cause He had no reason for the psu back then, doesn't mean time hasn't caught up, But technology has. 12G wires are a very good sign and aren't anything to sneeze at.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyGURU
WTF do PSU manufacturers have to put crap on the end of the cables making sleeving a pain in the arse? Antec put freaking caps on the end of their 1200 watt true power. WTF.
Hey guys - this thread is about GPU block testing - please take the PSU discussion the appropriate place.
does anybody has bootup shorting issue with ek backplate??
i thought they were attaching 480 blocks to teh PSU to overclock it
Nobody an idea? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Guapa5000
Definitely not M3x12mm thats for sure, my guess is M2.5x6mm with the guess part on the M2.5. The screws are 6mm though.
so anybody has a working ek gtx480 waterblock with backplate
the first batch came with the wrong screws for the backplate pcb
was given m3x4
now the website manual updated it to m3x6
hence y u see a lot of ppl only screwing the middle portion and the backplate looked bent
so anybody..??
already killed one card trying to solve that
OK, thanks for answering. If anybody hasn't mounted it's Koolance VID-NX480 yet, it's very easy to check up. If a M3-screw doesn't fit to the thread of the waterblock, it has to be a M 2.5 screw.
Its definitely not M3.
My TT 1500watt psu has been reliably powering my rigs for almost 2 years 24/7 :shrug: where do you get these facts? "thermaltake psus break down all the time" thats an incredibly stupid thing to say. it is one of the very few PSU that can power 3 480GTX's and an oc'ed i7 with ease.Quote:
Originally Posted by blazarcher
Isn't that the 4th revision EK have made since release? that really isnt fair on the early adopters.. I do hope there sending out the correct bits to everyone who purchased one.Quote:
so anybody has a working ek gtx480 waterblock with backplate
the first batch came with the wrong screws for the backplate pcb
was given m3x4
now the website manual updated it to m3x6
Not to continue the whole PSU discussion, but "thermaltake psus break down all the time". I wasn't like they ALWAYS, it wasn't to be taken seriously. BTW, what do you guys think about EK vs Aquacomputers. I'm really liking the new nickel plated backplate of the EK way more over the "ugly" AC backplate. Why in the world did they have to bend it????Quote:
Originally Posted by ell
Not that I suspect it needed particular strength, but that's what that right angle bend will provide.Quote:
Originally Posted by blazarcher
Couldn't agree with you more, and I'd still like to know if there compatible with other blocks (if EK isn't the best performing block in skinnee's results) and to be honest with all these revisions to EKs block im not sure I even want it anymore anyway :(Quote:
Originally Posted by blazarcher
Hey skinnee, Does the EK block cover the vrm as well as the ram & gpu?Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
yes, just doesn't cover the fan hole.
Wait a sec, EK isn't "one of the best" performing blocks? They might not be first, but shouldn't they be at least 2nd or 3rd? BTW, you shouldn't be thinking much about the new revisions, I believe the only thing they did was include a rubber piece because some customers complained of cards shorting out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ell
And yeah, I was actually wondering whether the EK backplate would fit with other blocks.
All I've ever bought is Enermax, curently have had their Infinity 720W which keeps the case fans on for up to two minutes after shutdown. The power and stability of the Galaxy series is excellent! I'm looking at the Galaxy Evo 1250W unless people seem to think that's not enough power for future builds... I'm in Southern Orange County (CA) and it's 80+ right now at 3:15pm.Quote:
Originally Posted by JokerCPoC
On another note is it important to keep the VRM cool for overclocking? I've heard keeping the VRM cool allows for better higher overclocks, but I tend not to believe everything I hear from just one source.
Shaz is a moderator . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by shazza
Have you sent an e-mail to Eddy about shorting?Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
I've just did asking if there's any risk as I have 3 of these backplates in my build which will run first time tomorrow or Wed and wouldn't like to ruing 3x 480s :shrug:
There was a problem with screws in first batch, I've sent a note & pics on it to Eddy and new screws arrived and manuals/stock have been updated with longer.
skinnee, I just noticed you're from Minny...me too!
Can't wait to see the results of the round-up!
well the distro i bought from is dealing with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by luke997
weird actually he met him just a few days back in computex. eddy didnt mention at all to him about the screws.
so waiting for an answer
got another gc and testing with the block is fine.
since my loop is gc - cpu so the cpu and gpu compression barbs+45's with tubing is holding the card in place to prevent any bending etc. with the bottom tube ..the piump is just above it to also to keep it in place.
also those allen keys m3x12 screws.. he needs to caution ppl on how easy it is to stripped it.
the card that died just cant run 3d mode. with nvidia drivers.. when i took off the backplate and tried again.
with the backplate no boot. i didnt screw in the 4 sides for the pcb screws as i havent gotten the replacement for it yet.
mosfets need to be cooled...the drivers don't need cooling...Quote:
Originally Posted by Systemlord
with home made sinks mosfets are around 55c passive...with fan they're around 35C
Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
So I've had a go at the problem, and it looks like:
1) There is a capacitor on the top of the card, in the middle, which has very long wires coming off the back of PCB.
When I checked my 3 cards, on 2 of them there was contact.
I suspect this could cause shorting so I've bent them
2) The 6 chips near middle 3 screws contact backplate but it would not cause shorting.
According to EK those chips were not on the reference card from nVidia which they used for the design of backplate.
Long term fix is additional channel during the milling
Short term is add PVC washer under each standof of the backplate
I'm very shortly doing the latter, fingers crossed :cool:
hmm he should have gone out and bought a retail reference card.Quote:
Originally Posted by luke997
are all of these single slot waterblocks?
No, I would consider the XSPC, Danger Den, Aqua Computer and EVGA single slot out of the box. The others are just a little too thick and cross the plane into the next slot. According to my eyes anyway.
Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
Does that mean, a triple-SLI-system with 3 GTX480 @ Koolance VID-NX480 is not possible/practicable because of the "thickness" of the Koolance-waterblock?
OMG, please tell me that this is not the truth, because I've just ordered 3 Koolance VID-NX480, which I want to mount with 3 EK-Backplates.