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08-25-2010, 04:23 PM
Mungri

OR maybe Asus can somehow sneak out a magic update that make Raid work great on the Marvel ports :p:

One can dream :(
08-25-2010, 04:37 PM
Anvil

Last time I upgraded my UD7 there was an update to the Marvell chip, I havent had the time to test it yet.
08-26-2010, 04:49 PM
Budwise

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first run of my new 128GB C300 on ICH10 AHCI.
08-26-2010, 07:38 PM
Vapor

2R0 Vertex 2 50GB, FW 1.10, RST 9.6.0, write caching disabled, 32kb stripe

Boot drive and steady state (been in use for a couple months now) :up:

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/6...ertex250ss.png
08-26-2010, 08:17 PM
Vapor

Enabled write-caching (first checkbox only), rebooted 6 times, wrote 100GB of random data, and rebooted again. Looks like a few small changes in performance in both directions, will probably keep it enabled though.

2R0 Vertex 2 50GB, FW 1.10, RST 9.6.0, write caching enabled, 32kb stripe

Boot drive and steady state (been in use for a couple months now) :up:

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/5...tex250sswc.png
08-26-2010, 10:20 PM
jadeskye

can't wait until i get my C300s =D
08-27-2010, 12:04 AM
Johnny87au

Quote:

Originally Posted by Budwise

first run of my new 128GB C300 on ICH10 AHCI.

Nice scores mate, loving these ssd's.. Raid these babys!
08-27-2010, 12:25 AM
jalyst

SATA3 on Intel ICH can't come soon enough.
C'mon Intel, get with the program already! :)
08-27-2010, 12:30 AM
Zloyd

Great to see crucial getting something out thats gotten everyone a little excited :D If I had to get a drive now I think it would be a c300.
08-27-2010, 04:32 AM
Ao1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anvil

Warning :) (not for the faint hearted)
The following screenshot shows in bytes the amount of data read/written on these few tests.
It seems CDM is a bit of a killer wrt writes, these few benchmarks compares to a full weeks worth of writes. (I'm investigating this matter as it writes more than one should think)

I ran AS SSD and it generated 3GB of writes, so that is exactly in line with your writes if you ran it twice. I thought the test file size on CMD 3 would be the size of the chosen selected test size (?) but looking at the size of the writes that would not even work out if 1GB of files were written for each subtest :shrug:

Also I guess if you use CMD on default and then on 0fil it would be possible to see how much data the controller compresses by looking at the reduction in the writes that are seen by the OS :shrug:

EDIT:
Also I noticed that your private memory set use for AS SSD was significantly higher than that of CMD :shrug:
08-27-2010, 04:38 AM
Mungri

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst

SATA3 on Intel ICH can't come soon enough.
C'mon Intel, get with the program already! :)

But likely a new motherboard and socket, and if it isnt triple channel memory, those of us with 6 modules are screwed.
08-27-2010, 04:43 AM
Ao1

Yep, it looks like a really expensive upgrade is round the corner. Don't know if I should be happy or sad. (Happy that it seems like quite a big all round jump in performance is on its way, sad that it will cost an arm and a leg)
08-27-2010, 05:03 AM
Praz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ao1

Also I guess if you use CMD on default and then on 0fil it would be possible to see how much data the controller compresses by looking at the reduction in the writes that are seen by the OS :shrug:

The operating system is blind to the compression that takes place on the NAND side of the FTL.
08-27-2010, 05:08 AM
Ao1

Are, so the OS registers the full write even thought it has not actually be written to the SSD?
08-27-2010, 05:11 AM
Praz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ao1

Are, so the OS registers the full write even thought it has not actually be written to the SSD?

Yes. The operating system know no different.
08-27-2010, 12:17 PM
Vapor

Anybody have steady state C300 R0 performance numbers? From what I've seen from C300 sans TRIM, things aren't too pretty, but maybe that's an extreme case?
08-27-2010, 12:36 PM
Anvil

I think that is an extreme case, it might be possible to recreate in real life but I doubt it.
They don't degrade more than than other SSDs I'd say.

I've been using my C300s (256GB) in raid-0 for months, no visual signs of degrading performance at all. (running 3-4 VMs, a mix of W2008 Server R2, W7)

I've prepared them for benchmarks on the Areca 1880 and I simply forgot to benchmark them before cleaning.

mbreslin might have some drives in steady-state?
08-27-2010, 02:52 PM
Anvil

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4R0 Vertex 2 on the 9211-8i (software raid, non-bootable)

Attachment 107102

Attachment 107103

CDM (default left, 0-Fill right)
Attachment 107104 Attachment 107105

Pretty great results, great for running VMs, games,... :)
08-27-2010, 04:02 PM
Computurd

yes, very very nice, compared to the charts we put up way back when..with tilt and yours and mine...lemme go necro-thread that...

http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...1/ldschool.png

looking back through those threads to find that brings up a lotta good testing we have done :) good stuff!

you should post up a revised chart, that would blow those out of the water!
08-27-2010, 04:21 PM
Anvil

Yes, I'll do that!

It's about time to update those charts :)
08-27-2010, 11:16 PM
jalyst

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

But likely a new motherboard and socket, and if it isnt triple channel memory, those of us with 6 modules are screwed.

Oh well just sell-up and move on to the next platform.
No matter what you'll have to pay extra $ for the privilege.
But at least you can make a little bit back from the sale.
08-30-2010, 01:42 PM
damha

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vapor

Enabled write-caching (first checkbox only), rebooted 6 times, wrote 100GB of random data, and rebooted again. Looks like a few small changes in performance in both directions, will probably keep it enabled though.

2R0 Vertex 2 50GB, FW 1.10, RST 9.6.0, write caching enabled, 32kb stripe

Boot drive and steady state (been in use for a couple months now) :up:

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/5...tex250sswc.png

I am surprised you are using 9.6.0. 9.6.2(+?) gives better reads with trim.
09-05-2010, 01:31 AM
Gilgamesh

What is best ssd's raid 0 pair for sb850?
I can get corsair f60 or realssd c64 for same price.
Or, 4x f40 for a little premium price, but how scale performance with that sb? It' waste of money?
Thanks
09-05-2010, 08:12 AM
Anvil

It does scale on the SB850, I've done a few tests using Vertex 2 60GB on the ASUS CHIV.

I'll see if I can get to those screenshots/benchmarks later today.

As the SB850 fully supports 6Gb/s drives, I'd probably go for the C300s.
09-05-2010, 10:19 AM
Gilgamesh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anvil

It does scale on the SB850, I've done a few tests using Vertex 2 60GB on the ASUS CHIV.

I'll see if I can get to those screenshots/benchmarks later today.

As the SB850 fully supports 6Gb/s drives, I'd probably go for the C300s.

many thanks.
09-10-2010, 10:38 AM
Sam_oslo

Just got a C300 64GB to replace my Vertex2 60GB (which I've been happy with by the way) as a single OS-disk on SATA3.

Just hoked it to SATS3 on EVGA SR-2, and quick format, and nothing else. This is a empty/new drive, how does it looks like?
http://img.techpowerup.org/100910/Capture002320.jpg
09-10-2010, 10:50 AM
Anvil

It looks great, speed is as advertised.

Why did you replace the Vertex 2?
09-10-2010, 10:56 AM
Sam_oslo

Good to hear Anvil :)

Just for fun, LOL, and because I wanted c300 but couldn't find in stock when I got the OCZ. I will use the Vertex2 on my other build, so it won't be a waste ;).

I'm going to secure erase it, and install w7 64bi on it soon, and I hope it will keep as good.
09-10-2010, 11:04 AM
lowfat

There should be no need to secure erase the drive. A quick format in Windows 7 should activate TRIM on all the needed cells.
09-10-2010, 11:10 AM
Sam_oslo

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowfat

There should be no need to secure erase the drive. A quick format in Windows 7 should activate TRIM on all the needed cells.

Good to hear. :)
This is my first non-OCZ SSD. So I was actually wondering how good the garbage collection works on C300. Good to know it works.
09-10-2010, 11:25 AM
Anvil

For fun, is a valid excuse :)

I had to get a few of them myself :)
Will be doing some tests this weekend, maybe a comparison of the Vertex 2 60 vs the C300 64GB both single and in raid.
09-10-2010, 11:32 AM
Ao1

Anvil I’m starting to think you are collectomaniac :p: (Just joking, it’s great to have someone on the forum that has so many different ssd’s) I’ll be playing with a C300 myself soon but only to help someone build a PC.
09-10-2010, 11:39 AM
Nizzen

2 Attachment(s)

4x 64gb c300 @ Arc 1880ix-24
16k stripe :)
09-10-2010, 11:51 AM
Anvil

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ao1

Anvil I’m starting to think you are collectomaniac :p: (Just joking, it’s great to have someone on the forum that has so many different ssd’s) I’ll be playing with a C300 myself soon but only to help someone build a PC.

:)

Evaluating storage is part of my job, otherwise I'd agree with you 100%

BTW, I've just installed one of your favourite drives, the Momentus XT.

@Nizzen,
What stripe size?
09-10-2010, 12:01 PM
Ao1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anvil

:)

Evaluating storage is part of my job, otherwise I'd agree with you 100%

BTW, I've just installed one of your favourite drives, the Momentus XT.

@Nizzen,
What stripe size?

Evaluating storage is part of my job: That's not a job ;)

I've just installed one of your favourite drives, the Momentus XT: I'm still waiting for a 500GB to come in stock :rolleyes: Here's the plan. My wife ended up with one on my M drives and I want it back. I'm kind of hoping if I swap it with the Momentus XT she will not notice. It should be good for all day on Facebook :ROTF:

Seriously though what do you think of it?
09-10-2010, 12:18 PM
Anvil

Give me a few days and I'll let you know :)

The first thing I noticed was that it spins :)
(vibrations quickly spread to the laptop chassis, I don't think it vibrates more than the average 7200rpm 2.5" drive though)

Next, it feels snappy.
09-10-2010, 12:21 PM
Anvil

@Nizzen,

Have you tried other (larger) stripes?
09-10-2010, 12:23 PM
Ao1

Sounds hopeful. Now will the Intel Data Migration Software work in reverse......... :rofl:

(Will you start a thread on the Momentus XT when you have played with it for a while)
09-10-2010, 12:34 PM
Anvil

Ao1

I'll create a thread, maybe this weekend.
09-10-2010, 01:00 PM
Nizzen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anvil

:)

Evaluating storage is part of my job, otherwise I'd agree with you 100%

BTW, I've just installed one of your favourite drives, the Momentus XT.

@Nizzen,
What stripe size?

Almost the same results in ASS and CDM with 128k stripe. So i thing either stripe you'll take, you will not notice the difference :up:

But this is extremesystems so every points counts :p:
09-10-2010, 01:19 PM
Nizzen

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nizzen

Almost the same results in ASS and CDM with 128k stripe. So i thing either stripe you'll take, you will not notice the difference :up:

But this is extremesystems so every points counts :p:

4x64gb c300 @ 4k stripe
Looks like 4k rocks :D
09-10-2010, 01:50 PM
GullLars

I see i have missed some stuff here. Back on new HW after a summer vacation from XS. Now on new GB AM3 890FX 850SB mobo with 1090T :)
Not really extreme, but definetly nice value upgrade.
09-10-2010, 01:54 PM
Ao1

Welcome back :up:
09-10-2010, 02:54 PM
Computurd

nice to see ya gullars, you should check out the 1880 stats coming in...good stuff! welcome back!
09-11-2010, 07:03 AM
jalyst

Ah Gulllars, you've been sorely missed on this forum, no discredit to the other users!
09-11-2010, 09:08 AM
Sam_oslo

Long time no see Gulllars, Welcome Back. :) Anvil has been doing a good job, and with Nizzen posting too, the whole SSD-gang from the old forum seams to be here now. ;)

I've just installed w7 64bit on C300 64GB. AHCI mode on SATS3, EVGA SR-2 with default MB-drivers. I'll soon be stalling more SW, but so far so good. It doesn't show much sign of degrading compared to empty drive :)

http://img.techpowerup.org/100911/Capture004.jpg
09-11-2010, 09:27 AM
GullLars

ATM i'm having a bit of difficulty with an x25-M G1 on SB850 with AMD SATA drivers in AHCI mode, basically 13MB/s 4K QD1, and about 22MB/s for 4K QD64 (from AS SSD), the rest of the numbers are OK. I think i'll try RAID mode, and if that doesn't work, roll-back to MSAHCI. I installed the AMD SATA drivers during os install, so i haven't tested msahci on it.
10-08-2010, 02:46 AM
NaMcO

My Intel G1 is working fine with default M$ AHCI drivers here:

http://tech-caffe.com/gfx/firestorm/ssd.png

I then installed the AMD drivers, lost a bit of Seq Read and 512k Read, but won ~5MB/s on 4K read. I think it's better this way.

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