because UD5 will not be able to do vdroop through bios with current board revision
it will need to be revised as far as i know
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because UD5 will not be able to do vdroop through bios with current board revision
it will need to be revised as far as i know
Changing mobo then! Droop, slow post, and no chassis fan controler are things in wich P6T takes advantage.
Guys what bios for the Extreme can you recommend? F3 is fine but for issues with 8x mem divider at higher BCLKs.. mobo won't post -.-
these everest memory benchmark scores are great.this might sound dumb but i have a quick question guys,with read/write/copy in the 20k range and latencyin the mid to high 20's,can you actually feel the difference between this and 775 ddr2 boards in everyday use?cause just going by the numbers should be about twice as good.just wondering if it really translates in real world use? thanks
had a 4ghz dualcore e8600 before.Quote:
Originally Posted by radaja
4gb ram.
My i7 920 har much faster using the same OS and new installation and tested right after each others.
The i7 in my desktop are way smoother and responsive.
My expereince.
i had a e8500 @ 4.12 with 2 gig 1066 mem
change to 920 @ 4.2 200 x 21 and 3 gig 1600 mem
the system responses quicker and seem smoother overall
wether its worth the extra £
i think it is
the only problem i have is the lack of a mounting plate for any fuzion v1
yea man, air just isn't cutting it. Seeing 83C on prime after an hour just doesn't sit well with me lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoNuff
I'm going to mod my Apogee GT and see what kind of results I can get.
I hit 85C on stock Cooling at Stock speed on my I7 920 within 5 mins of Prime :(Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
I just don't get it, as far as i know the differences between the ud5 and the extreme is just the cooling. If it's just the cooling then why cannot be solved by bios? Unless there are pcb differences thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
I never ran the stock fan, it just looked sad lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by icecold316
Air is not the way to go if you want respectable 24/7 clocks with the i7. I came to grips with that 5 minutes after I loaded up Vista and ran some tests :(
I knew it was going to get hot but 83c...wow I would have freaked LOL. That is why I didn't even run prime or my favorite OCCT. I played Warhead (the train level, forgot what it is called) and it was very smooth at 4.2GHz. I am comparing this to my e8600@4.5GHz which also did well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
Rev what were your NB temps? Thanks again for posting your settings.:up:
Started a Living Review here.
http://www.images.clunk.org.uk/revie...p-angle-sm.jpg
Added a full set of voltage measuring points here too for anyone that's interested :)
nb temps maxed out at 56C with all the bling attached. Personally, I think it's just that....bling.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoNuff
You must enable USB-Keyboard support in Bios to get it work after Bios-ScreenQuote:
Originally Posted by icecold316
23k passed :D:D
http://photodorp.com/out.php/i515_screen016.jpg
Have to agree on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by japanese
Afaik the extreme uses other power control ICs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nocturno
Well the Extreme does droop as well.. kinda hard getting used to when you're coming from a 0,0-droop-no-matter-what mobo (my DFI).
I had both the extreme and UD5, no difference that i saw besides the cooling, i put both boards side by side and looked at every component used, looked identical.
Mine maxed out ~54C with that huge extra heatsink attached and waterblock attached but no water going through.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReverendMaynard
Removed the big thing, removed the water block, put a tricool spotfan (quiet fan) directly on NB and now temps max out at 47C.
That big thing on mine only made 1-2C difference with on vs off, even with fan hitting going through it.
You never got a X38-DQ6, the droop on the EX58 is quite good compared to the X38.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
The LLC option in bios never worked for me, droop was ~0.05-0.07, but at 1,6V it began to overvolt. :rofl:
Nice clocks for the volts, what batch is this?Quote:
Originally Posted by dj883u2
My X38T-DQ6 almost caused me not to buy the EX58-UD5. First Rev. Gigabyte boards left a bad taste in my mouth ;). Unfortunately a minor accident with a loose hose clamp resulted in my X38T letting out the magic smoke :explode2: and I suddenly find myself looking for a new mobo, and while I'm at it I'll just upgrade to i7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
This board is the only one that puts the useless (to me) PCI slots right below the pciex16 slots so I can run my CF cards and still put both my raid cards in the pcie slots they need. BTW, this thread, and Dinos' testing thread are what convinced me to pull the trigger. Kit will arrive tomorrow.
Regrettably I'll have to use air cooling since the Mrs. demanded I not have a repeat of an accident with the water. If anyone is interested I'll be using my old 1.8v 1600 7-7-7-20 ram, so I'll throw some feedback on whether or not I toast my new 940 with it.
Peace
Quote:
Originally Posted by Isepick
Ram should work fine. I was using 7-7-7-18 1.9V 1600Mhz ram until today when my 1.65 ram came in.
I need that ram for another machine, so I bought the lower voltage one.
just make sure that Qpi/vtt - Vdram <0.5 and you'll be ok
I forgot to mention this, but at the top of the board on the back side there are two tiny little resistors. When I opened the box to my board 1 of them was sitting in it :( anyone knows what its for?
I could probably solder it back on myself, its pretty much by itself at the top. I havent had any trouble yet though, chugging 4.2ghz just wondered what it was for.
You're probably slowly frying your memory ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobbylite
RMA the board Bobby(strange calling you that). For the cost, it should have everything attached, resistors especially.
but but but, what will I do in the mean time? perhaps should try out a p6t till it gets back or maybe the tpower? ;)
man, I'd try the ECS before both of those lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobbylite
I was just kididng about the RMA homie...no fire, no worry :)
i have the UD5 board and it came with a 2 way SLI connector, to fit perfectly to the 2 x16 slots....
i have my 2 8800 GT's there and i cant enable sli......whats going on?
i need help guys..........thanks in advance!
the radeon 3870x2 worked and i could adjust both gpu's seperately...
with the 2 8800 gt's i can adjust the temps on both fans, but the clock only on the main card...
riva tuner and nvida control panel shows 2 cards but cant get them to sli....:mad:
OS?drivers?
i have vista 64 bit, then just udated with sp1 and the display hotfix, and installed the newest nvida driver.....if i try to run ntune or accept the agreement in the nvida control panel i get a blue screen every time!! even when i use fail safe options in bios...
cant get sli, i have them connect properly too....
i did have an ati radeon card installed , shut down....then installed the sli, now nothing no sli....
Didn't i read somewhere that the X58 only supports the new 200 series cards for SLI, I an just going by what i remember reading but that would make sencewith your issues.
its got a 2 way sli connector tho and the new 200 series are 3 way and have a different connector....
From what i just read on google that they should be supporting the 8000 series, i wonder if anyone has done it?
please help LOL cause the 200 series only has the wide sli clip, everything else use 1 piece......
I will be joining all of you soon... my 920, extreme and 3x1 kingston 1800mhz should be here soon!
Well just don't get 12GB of ram, whatever you do. I tried for hours now, with 6 matched modules, and I just can't get the sucker of a mobo to boot up when OCed.
Stock BCLK and 1600 memspeed - fine, passes memtest easily. Try BCLK of 180 and any ram mult and it won't post. With 6x ram mult it posts sometimes, but hangs upton entering memtest. Anyone know what voltage I need to raise to make it work? I raised all of them quite a bit to no avail...
Oh yeah, BCLK 200 stable with 6GB of ram. Using 6x ram mult again, 8x means no post as well :S
Crap... your the second one of that i hear that...Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
I also got 12gb but not assambled right now, if clocking is a nogo with 12gb its a real let down... but somewhat expected (anyone remember the old A64 days? :p: )
btw what ram you got? the OCZ gold 1600?
Cause the other case i hear had the OCZ, but the modules had a different SPD, thought thy had the same designation. ( and didn't even ran at DDR3-1333 :p: )
what do you guys need 12gb of ram for anyways
With the advent of tabbed browsing... pictures of course. Many many pictures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobbylite
On a more serious note, does anyone know what the max safe QPI voltage is? I can't just put a 32x multiplier on a 125blck and let it run, I blue screen even with 1.38v on the cpu.
have you tried 1.55v+ QPI/VTTQuote:
Originally Posted by jcool
No dinos, I haven't tried that high yet.. went to 1,45V max. But I don't wanna run that high a QPI voltage 24/7 :/ Gonna try tomorrow and see if it helps anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Hornet, it's 2x 6GB DDR3-1600 kit from Compustocx (Quimonda chips). The memory can handle it, like I said at stock/lower BCLK I can run 1600Mhz on the mem fine (even 1700 passed memtest at CAS 9-9-9-24 1,64V Vdimm).
other thing i suggest is load the XMP profile for the sticks and then change RAM divider if it decides to go higher after you increase BCKL clocks
I don't think they have an XMP profile.. or I can't find where to load it :D
only few mems have XMP, but it not really needed.
I can tell more tomorrow, when i have my rig up and running.
lazy manufacturer :p:
maybe next time get Corsairs
they have decent XMP profiles for their RAM usually
they dont always work great depending on boards bios support.....but with X58 for example no matter how hard it was to OC with a particular bios XMP profile was always giving me more stability.....newer bioses like F4f are easier to OC without XMP profile
are you the same joe cool as that German benchmarker or another dude
was always wondering that hehe
while you are at it
try to play with QPI/VTT and vcore to around 0.02v difference or thereabouts....keep them close and see what happens
sometimes its the mixture of volts that are no good
also try auto volts but use ET6 to see what bios selected and try manual set
it can be very handy manQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
very handy :up:
Naw, I'm not him, whoever he may be ;)
Using latest F4J bios, liked F3 better tho... and no I won't buy Corsair, as I would have to shell out almost the same amout of money to buy 6GB of Corsair than that 12GB of CSX cost me :D
Anyway, gonna tell their tech support tomorrow I need an XMP profile.. shouldn't take long.
ah ok so you are a different guyQuote:
Originally Posted by jcool
always wondered that heh
wow big price difference
XMP profile is a mix of timings and volts really....getting a really good mix of performance and stability on different boards is not an easy thing to do actually......these take a lot of tweaking actually
Yeah I was refering to the 1600Mhz Dominators, as the CSX are also 1600Mhz sticks. The Dominators cost close to 300€ around here, so yeah it's about 80% of what I paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
damit dinos... why you have to mention prices... no i have looked up again prices for tripple kits and those suckers just droped 40€. :rofl:
Hell now there are OCZ DDR3-1600 CL7 available for less then i paid for my CL8.... god damit, sometimes i hate the tech market. :p:
looks like you guys get ripped off on corsairs like we do here in AustraliaQuote:
Originally Posted by jcool
greedy distributor here lol :down:
maybe you should buy from US (since you are running a business)
400 Euros for 12GB dominators plus shipping
not sure how your customs work but for us we dont pay duty on that amount
:ROTF: yeah once you spend money dont look back hahahQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
ain't that the truth :ROTF:
How can i get my 920 multiplier to 21, i have F4K BIOS, but i cannot change multiplier to 21
enable turbo mode :)Quote:
Originally Posted by annaconda
After enabling Turbo Mode do i have to save and exit and come back in BIOS to see 21?
I'm running 1.795 for 211 BclkQuote:
Originally Posted by FuriousSalesman
nah manQuote:
Originally Posted by annaconda
it shows in windows
you cannot physically select 21 with 920 CPU
As far as 12GB of mem working, this seems similar to the whole 4GB vs 8 GB issues with the 775 boards.
The memory ratings are for the triple channel set. They will run at 1600 MHz at those timings. If you want to run 12 GB, you have to run them at like 1333 or so and loosen the timings a bit as well.
I received that tidbit from a Kingston rep and it seems to hold true at least for the 775 boards.
I have 12 GB of OCZ gold 8-8-8-24 ram, but can only install 6GB atm because the True is taking a slot up. I'll be putting her under water this weekend, so I'll be able to use the full 12 GB. I'll let you guys know if someone else doesn't by then.
for QPI/VTTQuote:
Originally Posted by Lukee
wow ROFL
u crazy dude :D
Hey guys, was planning to buy the x58 Extreme..
Any problems/ selling points i should be aware of?
Ive read the ASUS R2E having problem OC'ing their boards but u guys are doing fine!
p.s- not sure if this is the right place to ask but this is the x58Extreme discussion board right :o, delete if necessary
Great board overall, this and P6T are the best Core i7 boards right now. Maybe the eVGA as well.
3oh6 sounded unimpresses with initial bios files from evgaQuote:
Originally Posted by GAR
i hope they've addressed all his concerns
I got EX85-Extreme and Core i7 920 about 2 weeks ago.
Problems:
1. MoBo sets tRFC timing automaticaly, dispite of manual setup. Solved in F4j BIOS.
2. Strange starting sequence with 4 soft-offs before starting actualy. One soft-off every time when powered up. Sometimes MoBo falls to endless soft-off loop after failed overclocking. Clear CMOS and BIOS profiles are solutions.
Goods:
1. Over 220 BCLK stable on CPU and NB water cooling. SuperPi 32M result
2. Tri-SLI support.
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dinos22, very good SPi 32M result.
What is your maximum unstable BCLK? I have ~222 on cold water. CPU-Z validation
Is there CPU or MoBo QPI-Wall, what do you think?
i am benching on absolute MAX bus
nothing over that is good even for screen
all boards are hitting this 222 limit basically :shrug:
That's good, more freedom in MoBo selection.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Can't check it, because i'm alone in Siberia who have LGA 1366 platform, as I know. :(
I tried to leap over 222 wall last monday, and recieved very strage result
CPU multiplier was floating around from 21x to 36x. System goes to BSOD on launching SuperPi.
that bios is just bugged ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CodeRush
Can anyone help me with this board? I'm totally in the :banana::banana::banana::banana: right now.
Ok I installed the board and had everything running fine, my drives were in RAID / AHCI mode. then I stupidly upgraded the BIOS to F3 and all the machine hung at the disk detection phase. Reading around that F4K solves some issues but reintroduces others. Tried it and it was a bit poor and I wish to revert back to F2.
Can't find F2 for download anywhere so I thought that the Gigabyte much vaunted Dual Bios could come into play. I corrupted the bios on purpose so it would have to fall back the backup F2, unfortunately it isn't interested in anything at all, just sits there fans @ 100% and a black screen.
Any ideas?
@GAR
Even better than the ASUS Rampage II Extreme? :shrug:
@CodeRush
Ah thanks for the list, seems this board really has not much problems.
May be choosing this over the R2E!
Zmir
R2E is much better in fan control and voltage monitoring. There is only +5V additional voltage monitor on EX58-Extreme rev 1.0. No more 12V and 3.3V. :(
If monitoring and/or fan control is significant for you, topic MoBos are not very good.
I use cheap multimeter to monitor voltages and my fans are always at 100%, so that R2E features is useless for me. :)
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I choose EX58-Extreme, because it is cheaper then R2E for about 1/3 in Russia, has tri-SLI support and chipset waterblock. And it was right choise, as I see.
ask stasio or hicookie for F2 bios :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by pmcguire
@CodeRush
Ah i see, im not much of an extreme overclocker so those features wont matter for me :P Yeah ill be putting my fans to max all the time too, performance > sound!
Awesome then, will be getting the x58 Extreme in a few days, hope it wont dissapoint :D
BTW, does the x58 extreme has blue/white RAM slots? From Clunk's pic of the mobo, i see its green/pink. But the pics in Gigabytes website shows a white/blue. It says Rev1.0, so didnt think there was a revision before this
gigabyte changed their colour scheme mainly from feedback of XS users :up:
blue and white RAM slots FTW hehehe
eh,it was about time.....
Well no, that's not the problem here. I can run all 12GB fine at 1600Mhz with 133 or 140 BCLK, even 1700 passes memtest with all 12gb in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukee
However, I can't up BCLK and just use 8x or 10x ram mult like with 3 or 6gb it just won't post even at ram speeds lower than 1200 :(
Sorry to bring this up again, but does the board support recovery from floppy? eg I would copy awdflash.exe and the bios bin to a floppy and try to boot from it.
Don't really want to pack this system up because it is all so neatly built.
Guys, what do you use to change BCLK under Windows?
I tried EasyTune, but it drops i7-920 multiplier to 20x. :(
I'm using SetFSB (2.1.84.0) with ICS9LPR426AGLF clock generator with PPL M = 16.
On BCLK 170 it shows 570.0 FSB and +1 FSB is +0.3 BCLK.
Attachment 90591
Guys, face it, the i7 920 has a mult of 19. Anything more is just for show/single threaded apps. There is no way you can have a mult higher than 19 on a 920 for all cores.
jcool, you are wrong. :)
i7-920 default is 2.66 Ghz (133x20) for all cores. x21 for all cores if TurboBoost enabled in BIOS. x22 for only one core and TurboBoost enabled.
you are using the wrong clockgen
you should be using the one that ends witha 4E something i forget
dinos, u rule. :)
It is ICS9LPRS514EGLF.
yeah dude thats the one :D
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/3211/444sx9.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by CodeRush
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/4...jpg/1/w526.png
i prefer the other one because you can jump in smaller increments :D
It's all OK, but i can't use it. :(
It shows BCLK correctly, but hangs my system up on clicking Set FSB. I repeated boot-ICS9LPRS514EGLF-Set FSB-reboot sequence 5 times and reverted back to ICS9LPR426AGLF. Will try again later with different bootup BCLK.
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Edit: 918BKL works perfectly. I only set PPL M to 21 to get smaller increments. Thanks, X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE.
Hi I guess you guys are already using your self built/modded phase change coolers on your Gigabyte X58-UD5 ? I'd love to give one a go!
Not blowing my own crumphet but I've got one of the Gigabyte X58 DS4 on it's way.With a 920 So looking forward to seeing if all the exciment is justified.The last Gigabyte board I had was a 939 socket 5 years ago and it was bullet proof.I changed to a Asus when I made the BIG mistake of going to AM2 as an early adoptor.(I hope I'm not making same mistake being an early i7 core user) (Me thinks not)I hope.
I never bothered with Core Duo/Quad would have liked to but other bills to pay.Bad excuse but true.So I jumped at the new i7 cores and a Gigabyte X58 DS4 at £164 inc Vat and £220 for the 920 cpu.Planning on watercooling it with a Swiftech Apogee Drive 350..I just need to find an adaptor to fit it to a 1366 socket.Anyone know of one.I may try makingmy own ifit's just a plate that's needed.Any one made their own 1366 water block adaptors yet? I know you phase cooler guys are good at this sort of thing.
Hope my sentence structure is ok for u? Plz comment He He
With F3 bios, there is no way to get it working on 200Bclk with 8X multi?Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
How about the current F4 beta BIOS?
thanks in advance!
mobi2u
I have handmade waterblock and plate. It is not so beautiful, but it works. :)
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/542...0010hb9.th.jpg
wtf are you talking about? lol. I've been using 20x (now 21x is permanent with the later bios' in multi-threaded apps) since I bought the board two weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
You saying that there is no way is like throwing yourself in front of the short-bus. Last time I checked, prime was multi threaded.
jcool has been hating on the i7's turbo mode. He came over to saaya's vtt thread and called me out on having 21X200 in my sig. "you know your not really running at 4.2"
no :banana::banana::banana::banana: shirlock
and the multi is 20, not 19
That's the only way I can get 211 Bclk.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Maybe there is another setting which will allow me to get that and lower qpi/vtt, but I don't know.
If someone does know, please share.
What qpi/vtt are you using for 220 Bclk?Quote:
Originally Posted by CodeRush
Lukee
Vcore 1.535
Vqpi 1.535
Vqpipll 1.420
Vdram 1.96
Has any user of a UD5 flashed the bios with the extreme bios ?
Hi guys, finally got my main system assembled yesterday. Flashed to F4J. Fresh Vista HP 64 install.
I'm trying to do a prime blend run just to verify stability @ stock, and so far i've tried it twice and had app crashes. It done it last night and i assumed it was because i hadn't turned off sleep mode (it was asleep when i woke up), but after sorting out the windows settings and leaving it on while i was at work i've come home to another app crash.
Is there anything in particular you need to do with prime on the new i7's? I haven't touched any of the settings in Prime [64 bit version] (i remember changing the memory available option to 12 from the default 8 with the QX9650, but since cache size has changed now i haven't touched it).
The only bios settings i have changed are raid-related, plus the adjustment to 1.66v dram and 12x memory multiplier for ddr3-1600mhz. My clock on the memory is actually 810mhz (ddr3-1619), could that be the problem as it is a slight overclock? I'm not sure how i'd sort that though, it seems to be based off the bclk or something which i've read goes up and down a bit anyway.
Also, can someone verify that the motherboard temp from Everest is accurate? It idles @ 26~ and is currently 36 under prime blend load. I guess this makes sense if it's just a pci-e switch.
Quote:
Originally Posted by CodeRush
Ah, My qpi pll is only 1.24 or so, do you think by raising this, I can lower my qpi/vtt?
I'll try raising it and see if I can get 220 :)
Thank you so much!!
I don't know. Try it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukee
It seems QPI wall is processor-dependent and good voltage settings may increase max QPI by 1 or 2, not 10, IMHO.