That`s mine:
Pl=8. 2,06Vdimm.
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8...b500pl8wi0.png
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That`s mine:
Pl=8. 2,06Vdimm.
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8...b500pl8wi0.png
I have been trying to find where I can buy some Micron d9's but it seems impossible...anyone here know where to get some of these goodies? I was told you practically need to know someone to cherry-pick them for you who works someplace that sells memory...that sucks!
I wish I had me a wolfie already.... wanna show all you tinytots how its done :p:
Low voltage test with my Teams, 535 MHz 5-5-4-12 @ 1.94v stable
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...194vstable.jpg
*EDIT - to the guy asking about the DDR1300 Teams - they should be fine, if they don't cost too much grab some.
@ Waterflex - what can your sticks do with some more voltage?
Thanks cyptik, i found a pair to order for $170
I have been doing some testing on my MIIF with Static Read Control & Dram Read Training enabled, and Clock Twister on Strong or Stronger. With Clock Twister set to strong/stronger it takes quite a bit of vNB to stabilize it, I was around 1.37 - 1.45 vNB for the various tests. The use of SRC & DRT and setting strong or stronger gives a definite boost to bandwidth across the board and reduces latency significantly. At 534 FSB 5:6 Divider I had to drop CT to Strong, as even with 1.49 vNB I could not get into windows. Also notice the latency is almost identical between 500 FSB 5:6 CT Stronger and 534 FSB 5:6 CT Strong.
450 FSB 3:4 Divider, PL8, SRC & DRT Enabled, CT Stronger:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...enabledCTS.jpg
450 FSB 3:4 Divider, PL7, SRC & DRT Enabled, CT Stronger:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...enabledCTS.jpg
500 FSB 5:6 Divider, PL8, SRC & DRT Enabled, CT Stronger:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...stronger14.jpg
534 FSB 5:6 Divider, PL8, SRC & DRT Enabled, CT Strong:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...dCTstrong1.jpg
I replicated your settings with 500FSB and the memory at 600MHz CAS5 PL8, and indeed the latency went down.
Yes, I was running the 266 strap and 556.5 MHz ram, SRC & DRT disabled and CT = moderate, but now I run the 333 strap, 534 MHz ram, SRC & DRT enabled, CT = stronger, and get slightly lower read, same write and higher copy, and also lower latency. I can do that at on 1.94 vdimm too so it's easier on the ram. I'd prefer to run the MCH as aggressive as possible rather than let the pure ram speed do the work, and also it makes, the P45 a little more competitive compared to P35/X38/X48, although the SPI32M times are still slower it was an improvement.
Micron D9GMH
tRD/Performance level = 7
2x1GB Teamgroup PC2-10400 CAS6 @701Mhz 5-5-5-18 at 2.675v
http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/banner/437142.png
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...cpuz_valid.png
2x1GB Crucial Ballistix PC2-8500 Tracer Micron D9GMH @698Mhz 5-5-5-18 at 2.65v for CPUZ Validation
http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/banner/437668.png
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...cpuz_valid.png
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...rest_sp32m.png
Teamgroup PC2-10400
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...s703ms_twk.png
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...verest_twk.png
Crucial Ballistix PC2-8500 Tracer
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...1m18s953ms.png
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...verest_twk.png
http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/mot...48T2RSB_10.jpg
Very nice eva, that would have taken awhile, thanks for sharing. Nothing like X48 efficiency, it produces impressive SPI32M times for the cpu clock. Congrats on 700+ too, very well done.
Eva, why'd you use the DK X48 rather than the LT/UT model?
Ive been interested in X48 vs P45 results for awhile now, so I took the opportunity eva presented and did a simple comparison between my P45 M2F and eva's DFI X48 board, using the bench he did with the TeamGroup ram. For my bench I also used my TeamGroup ram. Eva pointed out that our everest versions are different, so this is only very rough.
My boards settings were:
FSB: 533
CPU: 3997 MHz
Ram: 639.6 MHz
Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training: Enabled
Clock Twister: Stronger
vNB: 1.45v
vdimm: 2.25v
The X48 had ram set to 5-5-5-9, my p45 had ram set to 5-5-5-15
X48 bench:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...FSB6396MHz.png
P45 Bench:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...edCTstrong.jpg
Comparison Table:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...MHz3997MHz.jpg
how much volts can D9 GMH safely take?? My Cell Shocks are kicking ass!! I blieved the board the be a lemon because no other ram would Overclock, but my stock rated voltas are 2.3v how much higher can I safely go?
I wouldn't go over 2.1v 24/7, some use 2.2v 24/7, and for benching, people go up to 2.6 - 2.7v, more than that and the use of DICE is recommended for cooling. I have seen reports of people suffering degradation at ~2.45v in less than half an hour at that voltage, so it's really your call, but look around at peoples results and opinions on the matter. So many things affect the lifespan and possible damage from overvolting, like how clean the power delivery of the board is, how clean the PSU power is etc. Do some research I cant explain it all here.
Check out the D9 Degradation thread, it's full of info.
wait, my stix are reated 2.3v?? why would they rate them higher than safe volts? also where do you find this D9 degredation thread? I cant find this thing.
I think a few people are starting to loose sight of the point in this thread, to HELP D9 owners. In a nutshell this means trim the fat, ie; no pointless screenshots of mainboards.
That said and done, the new P5Q Pro deffinately seems to behave much more like a P45 should compared to my first one. I'll start to stretch its legs soon, I ghetto rigged a fan to the memory as I got impatient waiting for my replacement XTC memory cooler (which hopefully will arive soon.. doesn't look pretty a ghetto rigged fan!)
ohh sweet, take a pic and post it up! just kidding lol
thanks managed to do much better - see below :)
DK X48-T2RSB Plus uses same clock generator as Asus Rampage Extreme = higher FSB than previous DFI X38/X48 boards :)
@5146Mhz
http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/banner/438159.png
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...id_5146mhz.png
@5093Mhz - click image for full screenshot
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...1s265ms_tn.png
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...aa/everest.png
System:
- E8600 Q820A599 0464
- CPU Cooling: Dtek Fuzion Rad Tower Box
- DFI LP DK X48-T2RBS Plus - 9/23 beta bios
- 128MB Gainward FX5200 PCI
- 2x1GB Crucial Ballistix PC2-8500 Tracer double sided Micron D9GMH dual channel kit
- Memory cooling: 120x25mm Thermaltake 81cfm fan
- 750GB Samsung SATAII
- Pioneer 215 DVD-RW
- 1200W Silverstone OP1200
- WinXP Pro SP2 Nlite Fully Updated.
Excellent results, 5146 was on water right? That's indeed a very good chip and board, I want one :)
Really good time too, was that using any OS tweaks or just a straight run? What vcore/vNB did it take to stabilize that? The everest bandwidth is also high for that FSB, very nice :D
After a little messing around heres the latest results for my kit of D9GKX, certainly not bad. Now imagine how high those scores would be with a wolfie :D
Not too bad compared to the M2F at the same settings:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...FSB6211MHz.jpg
New PB bandwidth and latency for 540 FSB:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...0FSB648MHz.jpg
Team Xtreem PC2-667 2X1GB Micron D9GMH@550Mhz@2.3V on Epox EP-AF590 SLI2 and AMD 5200+(Windsor)@3300Mhz absolutly stable
http://s60.radikal.ru/i168/0810/14/25f480280b82.jpg
http://i010.radikal.ru/0810/c9/79157aae7498.jpg
seems DFI new P45 use it too.. much be the latest clock gen on the block :)
yeah on water - Dtek fuzion rad box http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=5133 :)
straight run but with memset tweaks
1.6v idle 1.568v load in cpuz, bios was 1.5875v with 104% which showed 1.58v in bios
NB = 1.665v with 1.39v CPU VTT
W00t! The doorbell just rang and what little box awaited me? My replacement XTC memory cooler with FREE bottle opener and dogtag :D Did somebody tell OCZ I drink a lot each saturday or something? :p: That handy keyring bottle opener will come in very handy this saturday :D :up:
:( I think my OCZ D9 stick are just about to die. More and more problems with booting and and more and more voltage needed. Already 2,3v for startup. But still doing 650@2,56v
I do not have any read/write screens exept that one:
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3...1696xo2.th.jpg
But, good news is that new (old) stick from ballistics tracers (.16FD3) are on the way :) What could I expect from those?
Stick your problem D9 in the freezer for 3-7 days then allow it to SLOWLY warm up to room temp. The colder the freezer the better :up:
Definitely sounds like they're on the way out. They shouldn't need anywhere near 2.56v for 650 MHz everest/SPI1M stable, all my D9 kits do that on 2.2v, so maybe they weren't the best to start with? OCZ kits have never been top class though so in that context it makes sense.
If the Tracers you are getting are not degraded, expect very good things from them. They will be so much better than your OCZ ever were.
After some playing around with timings (and fitting my replacement XTC cooler :D) I have concluded that my write speed is low due to the amount of cache on my CPU, this is just theory, but makes much more sence currently than saying its a difference in the P5Q series BIOS vs. the M2F. Perhaps somebody can verify that who has a wolfie and P5Q series board.
OCZ D9 based ram was never any good compared to Crucial, CellShock or TeamGroup anyway. They should just stick to making other stuff. So many times when people have issues with ram, or have D9 sticks that need 2.5v+ for 650MHz stable, it's OCZ.
Ditto. OCZ QC for memory is not very good, and as if to kick you while your down, their usually the most expensive. OCZ are fine for cheap memory (such as their PC85000 SLI kits) but I wouldn't go blowing a huge amount of cash on their supposed enthusiast memory, its just nowhere near as good as the likes of Cellshock or AxeRAM.
Every D9 kit I've had has a least been able to POST 1300MHz, so I wouldn't say its too high expecting D9s to at least POST at that.
I have a few D9 kits I'm pretty positive won't post at 1300MHz, my CellShock 8000 C5 kit in particular.
Thats super craptacular D9s though. Kinda unfair comparing such lowend D9 kits expecting them to clock like nuts.
I wouldn't say they're "craptacular", it just proves that all D9 is not created equal. Some chips have a higher voltage tolerance and can clock higher. :shrug:
It could also be the PCB which is definitely not BrainPower or Kunyu; the model# is M0561LA1 and as far as I can tell by Googling it's 6-layer. I guess Cellshock made a revision to the sticks later and switched to 8-layer PCBs...? Anyone with some current CS DDR2, what type of PCB do you have?
well my cellshocks clock to 1200mhz so far, i hear gkx clocks higher than gmh does.
so no one knows where the d9 degredation thread is? i cant find it at all
New SS :D personal best for this CPU, 3.6GHz 1.58v. Don't think I will be raising vcore anymore, its on the edge for air.
Search terms: micron, degradation
Here it is, 5th thread that is displayed:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...on+degradation
There's lots of interesting info there.
Try this
EDIT: I see Ket beat me to it :)
Very, very unlikely. There is not a lot of profit made in the production on most memory kits, and thus they have to be binned aggressively. I know this as I used to do some things for Mushkin so know a good amount about the ins and outs of what goes on "behind the scenes".
For anyone having trouble finding it (don't know how but some seem to be :p: ) HERE is the thread about reviving D9s with the freezer technique.
I definitely have to try that. Yesterday, after doing successful Vdimm mod to my TPower, I accidently fried them with 3,2v. :rofl:
How do I find out if my ram has Micron D9 chips, specifically GTR/GTS?
look at the DDR3 ramlist at i4memory.com
I've got 2 gb D9 Trancend AxeRam ddr2 6400 running at 534 Mhz, 5-5-5-15 timings (2.1 vdimm). System is P5Q Pro with an E8400 at 4005 Mhz, 9x445. I've had this ram at 560 Mhz which needed 2.14 vdimm. If I try to tighten the timings to 4-4-4-12 the best I've been able to get so far is 470 Mhz on 2.1v. I was trying to get 534 mhz with 4-4-4-12 timings and doesn't look like its possible, was getting blue screens when trying to boot right up to 2.3v and thats all Im willing to give it. I've got 2 gb of Dominator 8500 with powerchips that doesn't do half as good as the axeram, its good to have as backup though!
I ordered a 2gb kit of Cellshock 8000 cl4 ram from Ireland the other day, I couldn't find this anywhere in the US but hoping this can do a little better than the AxeRam.
I have 2 kits of the CellShock 8000 CL4. It does 550 CL4 @ 2.25v and 650 CL5 on 2.2v. I run them 24/7 at 534 5-5-4-12 @ 1.94v. You'll probably really like them.
Ready stock HERE-54.50 EUR+ (5-10 EUR)delivery
That sounds great, looking forward to trying it out! I got turned on to the Cellshock reading this thread.
At 534 mhz cl5 my axeram is only moderately warm to the touch but at 560 it feels burning hot so I'm about to rig a fan pointing down on it. It looks like i could use some crazy glue on to the back of the PSU and have it pointing down at an angle. My PSU is an extra long unit so it puts it in a perfect position for a 80mm fan.
I'll post back with my overclocking results with the cellshock when they get here.
i've came to conlusion I'm gonna get the cellshock
but I'm having some trouble deciding which one....
there are 2 different ones
D9GMH
8500 5-5-5-15 2kits of 1G x 2
D9GKX
8000 4-4-4-10 2kits of 1G x 2
I'm more in to the 8000 but I heard somewhere that D9GMH is better than D9GKX. which one of these 2 could be the best choice as for performance
hers my 8000 cl4 @2.2v.http://i37.tinypic.com/2ldxkp.jpg UPDATE pl8http://i38.tinypic.com/e7o3ki.jpg
Wow Radaja those are some impressive numbers!
kimchupa: thats a good question, I'm tempted to order a set of the 8500 to see which does better myself. I went 8000 because
I already have a set of GMH ram with my Transcend AxeRam, but I have a feeling the cellshock would do a lot better.
I have a question for you guys - you seem to rate the info provided by the Ramlist at i4memory, for Corsair Dominator it says:
PC2-8500C5D DOMINATOR Rev 1.1 & 1.2 & 1.3 : 5.0-5-5-15 @ 2.2V : Micron D9GMH (B6-3) Handpicked or Micron D9GKX (B6-25E) Handpicked
over in the discussion thread on these sticks they concluded that the only 2Gb chips available are Powerchips, so what are my RAM chips - D9's?
What dominators do you have? If they are 2 x 1GB Rev 1.1/1.2/1.3 then yes, they're D9 GMH or GKX.
Cheers - think I found my answer at Corsair Support (House of Help) :
CM2X1024-8500C5D/F
........................XMS850X v1.X...MICRON.........64Mx8...Rev.D (2.2 Volts)
........................XMS850X v2.X...Qimonda........64Mx8...70Nm (2.1 Volts)
........................XMS850X v3.X...Elpida............64Mx8...(2.2 Volts)
........................XMS850X v4.X...PSC..............128Mx8 (2.1 Volts)
TWIN2X4096/CM2X2048-8500C5DF
........................XMS850X v1.X...PSC...............128MX8
I have 2 sets of CM2X2048-8500C5DF = 8Gb - they run fine @ 1066. Have not tried to OC yet as I have a Phenom Black Ed.
Darnit, MemoryC dropped the prices significantly on the Mushkin XP2 9200 kit and the Redline 8000 kit...but they're out of stock :mad:
That's unfortunate, but we all know that Corsair is not great overclocking ram, even their D9 stuff. Either their QC is not as good as other companies like old ballistix or CellShock or something else, but the only really decent Corsair was the PC-10000 sticks. Corsair rarely do 600+ and the best sticks usually top out at ~675. Poor performance and much higher price make them bad choice.
That's exactly what the DDR2 ramlist @i4 says. You have the 2GB sticks, so its PSC (powerchip) based ram. No 2GB sticks can be D9 GMH or GKX.
I'm still waiting on the cellshock 8000s but yesterday I did the ol' switcheroo with my daughter's computer. I put my dominator 8500 ram in her computer and took back my second set of D9 AxeRam that i used when building her system. I told her that daddy is going to upgrade her computer with some nice pretty dominator ram! So now I have two sets of GMH axeram to play with. The only thing is when running all four sticks on my P5Q Pro it is no longer stable with 1.30 nb volts, all the way up to 1.40v which is as far as I've tested so far.
i just bought redline 8000 from memoryc on sunday, shipped out today.are they any good? i bought them mainly cause they were on sale,newegg has the same set for more than twice the price.what kind of chips do they have?
Haha, the psychology of parenthood. Just paint the ram pink, she'll love it ;)
4 x 1GB is hard to stabilize, much more so than 2 x 2GB, as it puts a lot more strain on the MCH. The P5Q-Deluxe can run 4 x 1GB at ~1200MHz with ~1.34 vNB, with moderate FSB, so perhaps your board has a weaker MCH.
They are ok, should do ~1120, maybe 1130. I think they use PSC IC's.
so how are pcs (power chips right?) compared to D9's? looks like even cellshock is stopping using D9 or atleast not making the ram anymore, even memoryc has very limited D9 quantitys
So you were the rascal that snapped up the Redlines!:mad: I'm pretty sure that kit uses D9GMH if they're the same as these.
radaja
Well done, mate! Amazing RAM :up:
I assumed he was talking about the 2 x 2GB redlines.
wow
Just to rub it in.. all you guys fighting over D9 kits I have GKX and GMH kits.. nana :D
Same here Ket. I have more D9GMH than I know what to do with, and two kits of D9GKX (Cellshock 8000 C5 and Team 9600 C5). I have one Dominator 10000 C5 kit that I'm not sure if it's GMH or GKX.
@waterflex, yep there the same ones you post from newegg (at least there the same part #)hoping they will be good (d9)
They should be ok, but I doubt they'll be as good as your CellShock. Good luck with them, post some benches when they come in.
@cryptik,will do.by the way got my cell shocks up to 1300 but system was not stable. gonna keep tweaking though.
Anybody interested in some xtreem team ddr-2 10400 runs 1300, i have a brand new 2 gb kit ? pm me.
I just made the switch back to DDR2 from DDR3 and picked up a Asus Rampage Formula along with a 2GB kit of CellShock PC2-6400 (800Mhz @ 4-4-4-12 and their verified D9GKX). I switched from a DFI X48-T3R and a 2GB kit of D9GTR and hadn't used DDR2 RAM for a few months so its taking some time to get back into it. I just barely got everything up and running last night and at the moment I'm running the RAM at default speeds and clocks but I'm hopful this RAM will be capable of decent speeds and latencies! My last kit of DDR2 (before making the switch to DDR3) was a 2GB kit of Ballistix PC2-8500 with D9GMH IC's (infact I've come to like GMH over GKX from the testing I've done over time). Granted GKX is usually binned higher but I"ve just had better results with GMH in my own testing. I traded my old Swiftech MCP-655 waterpump for this 2GB kit of Cellshocks so I'm hoping I can get some decent results from them!
Between GMH and GKX I have to say both kinda of ICs are about equal, although from my experiences GKX tends to do the same clocks as GMH at lower voltages, which is always a nice bonus. Right now I'm trying to figure out why my system keeps failing OCCT, think it has something to do with CPU M-E, so if it is that, no real surprises there :p:
Hey thats a stroke of genius I should have painted those dominators pink!:lol2: I wasn't going to mention it but I've also beaten up old ladies and knocked over guys in wheelchairs while stealing their D9 ram sticks.:D
Ok sounds like my board might have reached its limit, which is fine its probably better just using the second set as backup. Not to mention my operating system is XP Home.
You could try lapping your heatsinks. These days stock cooling is usually pretty good on mainboards once lapped as long as the manufacturer hasnt gone "ZOMG lets see how much fake copper we can get on the board!" Lapped to a nice flat shiny finish I bet things will function much better. One thing I do hate is that copper coating rubbish and the lack of fans on stock mobo heatsinks these days.
The P45 does get blazing hot easily, a small fan will greatly help :up:
meh just crank the volts up ram up that fsb ans :banana::banana::banana::banana: it! it's only a mobo crank it up, some of these p45's need 1.4v+ to crack 500fsb.
Now Phil you know thats not the proper way of things, stop encouraging him to blow his mobo up :p:
well heres my cellshocks at 1116mhz stock voltage (2.3V) and timings 5-5-5-15-2t pl8 (stock is pl7)
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7...ock5kb4.th.jpg
Any ideas how high can I go with Cellshock 2x1gb PC8000 5-4-4 (CS2221450)?
I get 238 with 1,8 vdimm.Tried also 2.0 vdimm, but no better results..
238 MHz? How is that even possible? Something is very wrong mate. Should get 500 CL 4, 550+ @ 5-4-4.
My Ballistix are struggling to do 650MHz CL5 on the DFI LT P35, I'm playing with the DRAM CLK Fine Delay settings but it looks like they want a lot of VDIMM on this board. I'm already up to 2.45V in BIOS. This is on 433 FSB by the way, 2:3 divider. DDR2-1300 hasn't come as easily to me as others for some reason.
I think my cell shocks are lower binned micron d9gmh's because even my old ballistix 667mhz d9gmh's can do better at lower volts, I just dont get it.
Patriot Viper PC2-9600 (D9GKX?) at 2.0v. This overclock has passed OCCT 2hr. mix and can run overnight crunching seti/climate prediction. CPU vcore is 1.280v under load.
AmpX pc-8000 5.5.5.15 at 2.4V
http://peecee.dk/uploads/112008/685_5.5.5.15_2.4V.JPG
AmpX pc-8000 5.5.5.15 2.3V on the 3:5 that should be the 2:3
http://peecee.dk/uploads/112008/screen000.jpg