Sounds good Kimi, What temps are you getting now on the NB? and are you on air or water?
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A few points to note here, does the Asus plastic washer insulate the board from the springs ? - probably not if Kimi's is still working.
Secondly, if the screw are designed to bottom out in the heatsink then removing the washers will not compress the springs as much causing a reduction in contact pressure between the heatpipe assembly and the NB & SB chips.
Just my thoughts but I added a second plastic washer to increase the spring pressure and to prevent the screws from bottoming out if indeed they do.
excellent insight as always Tony. this is what i was eluding to but didn't know what the issue was. but...why then does some Micron seem to have no issues...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=196500
1120MHz 32M stable at 8-8-8 is mighty nice and very much 790i like. is it possible that D9JNM is unlike D9GTS or the like and works well with low drive strengths?
one stick and it's a one 1Gb stick...
i am not talking about the screenshot...the actual runs that count...
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5...b17v32mkn1.jpg
Right, managed to get a chance to put 3rd party cooling on this board! I think this was mentioned by someone else between my last post about SB cooling and now, but I can confirm that the Enzotech will not fit - screws dont line up:
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3272/enzotechlk3.jpg
Not to be beaten, ive used a mix of AS5 and AS Adhesive in a square in the centre, surrounded by MX2 (so hopefully I can get it off again! LOL) ive used the old AS5/Adhesive mix trick a few times and not had a prob.
Anyway... here's my board as it stands:
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3...rcooleddb1.jpg
Quick quetion - How important is it to cool the chips on the far side of the NB Power regs? i.e the ones that would be underneath the two ramsinks furthest away from the NB? Im using some thermal tape on the ramsinks which is working fine on all the others, but because of lack of surface area, those two keep falling off - I have an 80mm fan blowing over that area atm to be on the safe side.
How have u guys got your ramsinks on there? Used adhesive? I wasnt sure on such small chips that they would survive when u removed the ramsinks again when using adhesive.
MikeMK why cant you just angle the SB cooler a little to make the holes like up? as long as the Central part of the core is toutching the HS then it should be fine.
I tried it, and that wont work either - the holes are just slightly in the wrong place. I guess with a bit of modding you could prob make it fit, but im not guaranteeing that!
Here's a pic showing the Enzotech on the SB. THe video cards are in the way, but you get the idea.
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w...3/IMG_1126.jpg
Clump, in relation to my question a couple of posts back, out of interest how are you cooling all the chips by the NB?
It is not because there isn't enough surface area over the NB MOSFETs. If you look carefully there are 2 small resistors that are slightly higher on the motherboard then the FETs preventing proper contact of the ramsink with it.
http://gallery.me.com/jeffrey_lee/10...12188438730001
I had to use a plyer to slowly dig away underneath the ramsink to create a gap for the resistor. Becareful though that you actually make the gap high enough to avoid the resistor or you may bridge it when you stick on the ramsinks.
Weather you need to cool the northbridge's VRM is debatable, as the components there are quite capable of functioning at high temperatures. It doesn't run as hot as the FETs for the CPU, but hotter then those for the RAM. It tends to hover at around 60 degrees for the NB VRM, and the RAM FETs around 40 degrees. My theory is that because as FETs gets hot, it's internal resistance increases, so you will need to set higher values in the BIOS to acheve the same end voltage. It might be total nonsense, but never a bad idea to cool a hot component. You can see on many higher end DFI boards they have small heatsinks for the MOSFET of the RAM and northbridge.
http://gallery.me.com/jeffrey_lee/10...12188438710001
Here is what I did on my Maximus Extreme NB MOSFET some time ago and trust me, the ram sink gets HOT!!:
http://gallery.me.com/jeffrey_lee/10...12188441510001
I use a infared surface temperature thermometer to measure temps on the motherboard and see how hot each component gets:
http://gallery.me.com/jeffrey_lee/10...12188446870001
And finally here is my current setup for NB VRM cooling:
http://gallery.me.com/jeffrey_lee/10...12188462770001
The chokers and ML cap I left as is cos I don't feel they run as hot as the MOSFETs, and looks a lot nicer/tidier then burying the whole VRM area in ramsinks.
Have fun modding! :up:
@EF: are those mounted with thermal tape?
@EF: thanks for the response. Looks like I have to get rid of the stock cooling as well. Still aircooling though. Will see if those sinks are locally available here. Though the added washers seem to work, I think 3rd party coolers are doing a better job. :up:
3oh6, what was the limit of your G.Skill D9GTR kit in terms of pure frequency on any other intel platform? and I assume its limit on the RE is just under 1030Mhz?
on the Maximus Extreme they did 1034MHz 8-7-6 dual32m SPi but at only 2.00v DMM measured. i never took them over 2.06v back then as it was when we didn't know how much voltage D9GTR could take. if i remember correctly though, more vDIMM didn't really help get further i don't think because i have screenshots at CL6 & CL7 up to 2.06v. at CL6, up to 2.06v, they are clocking identical on the RE as they did on the Maximus Extreme. this is the first Intel board to see them since then.
as for on the RE, no idea as i just started working with them tonight and so far only at CL6. on the 790i they run single 32M at 1110MHz 8-7-6 2.175v DMM measured.
Ah I see. Looking forward to your results! :up:
yeah the G.Skills aren't even booting into Windows at 1000MHz 8-7-6 on the 266 Strap at even 2.10v vDIMM. drop vDIMM down to 1.96v and the Ballistix go right into Windows and run dual32M with nothing else changed in the BIOS.
so my board likes my D9GTR even less than my D9GTS for high clocks :shrug:
Thanks EF, I've got plenty of old ramsinks lying around to mod around here so I'll give that a go in the next day or 2. At least its gonna be alright to use the PC without them for a bit - that was my main concern - but like you, if it gets hot then I want it cooled! LOL.
I have a Thermal Take Spirit II Extreme on the NB. The stock cooler was removed entirely. There is a large copper colored heatsink over the power converters that I left alone. There's a 120mm exhaust fan right there, so there's plenty of air flow.
Not the best pic:
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w...3/IMG_1127.jpg
@Clump, what temps to you get in the NB? (and voltage used please)... thanks in advance...
With the stock cooler my NB temps @ 1.39V were pretty bad, loading in the high 60s and sometimes 70+ and that was with 2 40mm fans kluged onto the NB heatsink. With the new cooler it's idling at the same temp as the motherboard sensor (50C atm) and loading up to 56 - 57. There's a triple rad dumping heat from the CPU into the case, so ambients in the case tend to be a bit higher. One of these days I'll reverse the fans to have the rad fans blow out of the case and make the rear exhaust an intake and see what that does. It's a pita flipping the fans though.
OCCT graphs 1 hour with stock cooler:
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w...orthBridge.png
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w...outhBridge.png
OCCT graphs 1 hour with Spirit NB and Enzotech SB:
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w...orthBridge.png
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w...outhBridge.png
Room ambients were within 2 C for these runs. The SB was actually better on the stock cooler, but there's no comparison on the NB.
Anyone know what could cause that it takes 13min to burn a DVD at 16x ? Took like 6-7min with my formula and i use the same dvd-recorder etc...
What would be the best Air cooler for this board that would fit with the larget northbridge heatsink ?
a TRUE JUST about fits with the uprated NB heatsink. the Zalman CNPS9700-NT fits without any problems
hi, have just installed my rampage extreme but have a strange prob with my qx9650:
at the boot page there stands qx9650 @ 3,0 but "count:2" so only 2 cores. at windows, all programs (cpu-z, everest, taskmanager, coretemp) and vista (hw manager) itself report 4 cores/counts.
so is it just a bug at the boot screen or something serious? alrdy flashed to 0404, but still the same screen.
one card done and testing...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...4850_mod-2.jpg
the other is about to go under the irons...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...4850_mod-1.jpg
HD4850 CF numbers coming in the next few days :up:
Ok, I spent the morning chopping up and filing down ramsinks lol! However, I think this is much better (thanks EF for the tips ;) ):
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/622...edited1bf0.jpg
Sorry about that bad pic quality, but u get the idea ;)
Anyway, for those of you prepared to fiddle, using 3rd party cooling on this board is well worth the effort. NB temps are far far better using my S-max. Now i can really start pushing without worring about NB temps being 60 degrees +. Its currently sitting at around 35 degrees :)
does anyone else's rampage extreme ROG light and start button flash on and off when your shutdown ?
Mine doesn...just wondered if it's normal. My striker II extreme ROG light stayed on all the time.
Yup, same here... and I agree a bios option would be useful
Will the Thermalright IFX-14 fit with 4 x g.skill memory blocks installed and with the proper heatsink on the northbridge?
I would like the RoG light on all the time. The first time I saw it pulsating i thought the board was powering up and down !
@ Mike
I Have now done pretty much the same thing as you and EF, except in stead of cutting the heatsinks i added small peices of thermal tape over just the mosfets and then put the heat sinks on top of that.
Cant give you any results at the mo but the sinks do sit nice and flush now.
Lol... I didn't take mine out. Just unplugged it. :DQuote:
Just rip the thing off, Its only stuck on with tape, it does nothing anyway, I think its stupid to be honest.
Heya guys, first post here - and thanks to Jody if he got my approval pushed through (took about a week). ;)
Picked up my RE last week and the first thing I did was remove the Fusion block to do some custom cooling with it. I was very careful taking this off because I've been through the process before with my Maximus Extreme - was a pretty trying endeavor. My particular board appears to have had some QC issues as one of the inductors above the northbridge ended up staying attached to the Fusion block when I removed it. Really didn't notice that much resistance, but upon inspection it appears the legs of all 3 inductors on the 'south' side of the board were cold joints so this would explain it. I ended up just removing all 3 and ordering the largest current rated 1uh inductors I could find from digikey in the same package dimensions so in the end this will probably be an upgrade from the existing ones.
Also, plan on doing something slightly different with cooling for the northbridge regulation area...this plate:
http://www.cyberfiles.net/mosplate.jpg
can be removed from the Fusion system with (quite) a bit of effort. Yes, it needs to be cleaned up a bit with a grinder.
Here's the general idea:
http://www.cyberfiles.net/mosplatemb.jpg
http://www.cyberfiles.net/mosek.jpg
All held together with generous amounts of AS Alumina epoxy. Could have just used a 40mm heatsink/fan - but all of the other fets are h2o so why not.
You can get a general idea of what I'm looking to do in my sig. Hopefully, I'll have no further setbacks with the system moving forward. :D
Hello ;)
...some problems with fault stock heatsink, see here: http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/show...&postcount=338
Wow you packed that Arctic Silver paste on thick -
http://www.abload.de/img/asusre062ls2.jpg
Do be careful with the block stuck on top of those inductor/FETs, as you have already experienced how easily they come off, the whole northbridge VRM area may go if a little force is applied on the water block.
Also isn't the Alumina epoxy conductive/capacitative?
Anyway great to have you onboard and keep us posted on your progress! :D
Yes, I actually plan on using the Alumina to glue the inductors to the board as well and also get 100% coverage on the Fusion plate -> motherboard. This will definitely be a 'one-way' mod. :devil:
From the AS web site:
http://www.cyberfiles.net/asal.jpg
Let's hope they know what they're talking about. ;) I have some AS Silver Epoxy as well that I can use for the plate -> block interface which has better bonding/conductivity properties. Really don't suspect any issues.
Here's a 'modeling' shot of the motherboard with all blocks to be installed.
http://www.cyberfiles.net/re_blocks.jpg
Question is, does the loop config in my sig make sense for this or is there a more optimal/proven setup for what I'm trying to do?
Thanks!
Anybody seen this swiftech northbridge block ?
looks nice, but I prefer my mips/ek blocks ^^
I would like to see ViperJohn make a NB block that would take the place of the Fusion (stock block).
The Swifty block does appeal to me with respect to simplicity. A CPU, GPU and NB loop would be ideal.
Just got my board and I gotta say it just plane "FUN" so far. Defaulted to 7.5x400 on my windows install...lol
Need a lil mem help, could any1 recommend me a 2x2gb (or 4x2gb) kit for the RE?
These CSX 4GB Kit DDR3-2000 D9GTR are looking nice, max setting for x48: 1866MHz 8-8-8-15 1.90V due to manufacturer or are there better ones for the RE?
gabe showed a pic of that block a while ago in the GTZ thread. the problem is that it doesn't eliminate the stock cooling interface which seems to be the cause of most of the hot NB issues. it sure would be interesting to see how the Swiftech block compares to the stock Fusion block.
Yes I know 3oh6 but should be a lot better if you remove the stock cooling re-lap it and add some more paste and then add this block, clone38 has a nice setup but that it beyond extreme lol ,I mean Watercooling the SB?
Too many blocks for me its bad enough changing mobos and cpus with watercooling the NB let alone all the otherstuff ...
Hey guys, I was wondering, I'm building a rig with a Q9650CPU, and this motherboard, what would be the best RAM to go with? I'd like to get 4 Gigs without costing me my first born lol
G.Skill 4GB(2x2GB) PI PC12800 kits seem to work well.
http://newgskill.web-bi.net/bbs/view...desc=asc&no=29
these are the only one from G.Skill i have access to in my country:
G.Skill DDR3 Dual Channel 2048 MB, PC3-12800, 1600 MHz, 7, Non-ECC, Kit Of 2
these are different then the ones you are suggesting. Do you think these will work? or?
https://www.pimspcshop.nl/products/prod2/41729.jpg
What about these Super Talent sticks http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820609237 these Corsair sticks http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145186 or these G.Skill sticks http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231176 or these Mushkin sticks http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146777
Hi Nguaroth, those are the same specification as those shown in the link by Rockqc but they are without the PI heatspreaders which may help with O/C capability.
Death Angel - What FSB are you looking to run with your quad ?. I have the PI sticks and can game for hours at 1700 FSB at 7-7-7-18 C2 but they will not prime or pass HyperPI. Increasing the voltage and loosening the timings has not helped.
Next for me it is looking like Corsair XMS Dominator (TW3X4G1800C8DF) to get 450x9 running on a quad and with 4Gb.
Running 2x1Gb sticks seems to open up the options a lot more as to what is available but if you want 4Gb and are running at 1600-1650 then the G.Skills are fantastic value for money and suit this board well.
I have read good reports on the Super Talent, especially the Project X and also the Crucial Ballistix.
Oops, I meant to link the 2x2GB sticks of G.Skill RAM, does it matter if i get 4x1GB or 2x2GB sticks as far as O.C-Ability because it seems like 2x2GB sticks are cheaper, I really need 4GB, Also, what I'd like to do is run my Q9650 at 400FSB if possible so I could have a slight overclock and have a 1:1 divider ratio, if I understand that correctly...
think i'll give these 2x2gb ddr3-2000 csx diablo a chance
Hey guys,
Please do this test for me:
1. Enable RAID for ICH9R chipset in bios (dont worry even if you dont raid your hdd enable it just dont pree CTRL+I during bios to configure raid and your hdds will be fine as they are)
2. Enable Marvell IDE/E-SATA
3. Enable boor bios for Marvell IDE/E-SATA
Reboot, and then please ALL OF YOU email ASUS to fix this POS bios they have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To get your settings back (and the ability to boot again) revert back to your original settings.
guys, whats ya preferred method of flashing this board
the supplied software or something else
Put the bios on a USB stick.
While the PC is turned OFF plug the USB stick in.
Turn ON PC.
Press ALT F12 during bios post to go to EZFlash. Use that to upgrade bios.
I never use the windows utility as that can have problems with flashing.
hi there...I have this memory and works great....except one small thing...
it works at 1600 (stock speed) at 7-7-718 (stock timings) BUT with 1.79,V !
(set by AUTO at bios) and not at 1.9 (stock voltage) ..when at 1.9V getting
errors at memtest...Except this (which i don't thing that bothers anyway)
memory works great even at 1N and i haven't yet tried tightening its timings....
Hope i am helping.....:)
Hi i use the 403 but 404 crashs all the time and nothing to tweak up :(
And with 403 i do this with a locked (@8) Quadcore
Attachment 83922
Right guys, been tweaking my new g-skill Pi 2x2gb set. Taken a little while. Its rock stable at stock 1600mhz 7-7-7-18, so ive been running 10x400=4ghz with just 1.3v on my CPU prime stable and no probs. However, i would like to get around 445x9 and pump up the mem speed a bit. Been trying to get this stable at stock mem timings which is a little tricky, but looks like im getting somwhere!
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/1...edited1yd8.jpg
Its still running now, gonna leave it another few hrs i think to make sure, but looking hopefull. Settings were:
vdimm: 2.08v
NB:1.58v
Primary timings: 7-7-7-18
Command Rate 2N
Sub timings: All auto, with the exception of...
Perf Lvl: 8
Dram clock Skew: delay 150ps
As you can see from the screenshot, I dropped the multi, but hopefully I will get vcore etc around similar voltages to what I had previously :). Really loving this board now im on water, the NB, even with higher voltages doesnt go much above 40degrees when stress testing!
Performance level is a bit high for my liking (would have prefered 7) so once ive finished testing with these timings, I will try adjusting phase pull in's to get some extra performance, as well as trying higher timings with lower perf. lvl and see what gives the best result.
yeah 0403 seems right atm
Could someone with this board please measure the distance between the holes of the fusion waterblock?
I'm planning to get this board and would like to replace the fusion block with something decent.
small update to the crossfire numbers. i wasn't really pushing or tweaking anything but 01. numbers look good so far, just need to get this CPU cold and see what it will do on this board. benching at 600FSB tRD9 3D is nice and solid with very reasonable voltages :up:
When I plug in my 4870x2 I get a lot of artifacts on screen (2d and 3d mode).
I thought it was the card but now I have plugged an older card in (ATI X800 or something) and is shows just the same. Both PCI-E slots behave the same.
Could it be that I have a boad with damaged PCI-e slots?
So did anyone have any luck yet with the mushkin ascents?
Well guys, I got a pair of these sticks, I'll let ya know how they perform! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146777
you got em yet? do they post? :p
lol, not yet, should be here in about 4 days along with the rest of my new gear :D
they POST just fine but my kit wouldn't run the XMP profile stable. i had to change them to 2T to do so. i also couldn't get them to clock at all. again, this is with a kit that had been around the block and it might have completely been the memories fault. unfortunately i still don't have another motherboard that i cam test them with to determine what is causing the issue.
XMP is purely OC related, best bet is to allways ignore XMP and manually add the timings and ratio. Most boards seem to have trouble with XMP and this board seems to be no differant.
Try getting the 1866mhz Patriot Vipers to run under XMP on my Maximus Exreme lol its a death sentance, but add the timmings in manualy and they are fine.
There are many factors with XMP Cpu speed , FSB speed multi ect ect, XMP just OC the system above spec, and as we know, only we can OC properly ourselves.
3oh6, just read the Gigabyte P45T review, and was so impressed with the depth, detail and most of all, honesty of the article that Hardware Canucks has earned the VERY prestigious place... of my bookmark toolbar!! :party::party:
My exact thought when first looking at a picture of the Gigabyte board.. that design really can't be good for northbridge heat transfer! looks like they tried to insulate the northbridge from the rest of the cooling... :rolleyes:
Keep up the good work and I expect nothing less for the upcoming Rampage Extreme review. :up:
So I read in a thread somewhere Mr. 3oh6 that you had some issues with your crucial ballistix and this board.
Have you resolved those issues or do they still exist? I was thinking about getting a pair of ballistix to run with this board but didn't want to get them if they were going to cause issues.
Thanks!
3oh6>
can you not run performance level #8 up to 610mhz fsb? via seem per lev #9 at 645-655mhz fsb so im sure 8 at >600mhz fsb should be doable?
btw nice cfire #'s :up:
bios 0404 has problems with the voltage, 2.00vdim is 1.65 real ,same as vcore and so on. flashed back to 0403 and seems fine.
BIOS 0404 is fubar. 0403 is the gem at the moment...
thanks man, and yes, i really don't have any agenda when doing reviews. i do tend to harp on the bad stuff a bit much and through editing tone it down a bit but it was impossible to hide my displeasure with the heat sink. the worst part is that it is so well built. taking it off you could use it as a dumbell, but the fact that the heat from the chipset never makes it to the good part of the design kills it. other than that and the typical P45 stuff like performance and memory clocking, it is a really nice board with a ton of bells and whistles. not quite RE belss and whistles but still very nice ;)
not so much issues, but it just can't really unleash the memory like it should. i have completely stalled out at 1030MHz regardless of voltage and timings. in the memory section of this thread you can see they clock to damn near 1000MHz at 7-6-5 with reasonable voltage for dual 32M, but only 1030MHz at CL8. obviously there is something holding the D9GTS chips back and as Tony mentioned, it might very well be drive strengths. i just finished my full stability testing suite on that kit for the review...100% stable Prime Blend, Dual 32M, 3DMark looped, and HCI Memtest for a couple hours at 1000MHz 8-7-6 at 1.90v (actual)! but brick walled at 1030 MHz for even 1M with any voltage.
also, this is with D9GTS, and some of the Ballistix PC3-16000 kits come with D9JNM or maybe JNL, it is really random. so just because my sticks are limited on this board, doesn't mean yours will. Overclocker886 absolutely tore it up with D9JNM on the RE...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=195122
so it might very well come down to the ICs that are the issue :shrug:
i don't think i can run tRD at 8 at 600FSB. i have also only used the 2:3 ratio on the 266 strap so with the 8:5 ratio on that strap, i might be able to tighten up to 8. the biggest issue with tighter tRD for me is the lack of ability to run much over 1.55v to MCH. with my stock cooling and stock mounting i get really high temps. once that is taken care of i might, it's hard to say.
on a side note for all those wondering about MCH temps. for my 1000MHz 8-7-6 testing of stability, i was seeing 60C MCH temps during HCI Memtest and it definitely didn't cause errors or instability, even after an hour and a half at that temp running HCI. so clearly the MCH can still function fine at those temps but obviously lower is better.
Anybody had any luck with 2x2Gb kits over 1800Mhz etc
day
MikeMK is getting close whilst running a quad - see top of this page but not having any such luck myself. Can play games at 1720 but it will not Prime.
W/C the N/B seems to help a lot enabling higher voltages. Might sell my G.Skills and have one last try on some Corsair Dominators 2x2Gb 1800C8DF.
Yeah, im getting there slowly, its taking a fair amount of patience. BTW, it ran memtest overnight (about 9hrs) at the settings above, with 1 error on the 14th pass lol... so very nearly there indeed. A little more tweaking should do it. Not had chance since the other night to do any more, but i'll let u know how i get on. I think as has been mentioned by OCZ tony and 3oh6 adjustable drive strength might help if they add it into the bios.
I just post this same question in a wrong thread ...Sorry, i repeat:
SOS:
I have removed the entire Asus heatsink for use Artic Silver and I have off many little washers, which have the heatsink in each screw hole (very littles and blacks) But now i count washers and i have one more than holes free! Does anyone know what hole should have two washers instead of one?
Thanks!
EDIT: Rampage Extreme w/ OCZ 14400 Reaper 2x2GB here...All fine!
Well as an update to my RE adventure, received the new inductors from Digikey yesterday and got them soldered on. Used the entire tube set of AS Alumina to basically 'pot' the entire NB VR area and got the little copper plate attached. I can tell you that this thing is _never_ coming off without some destruction of the motherboard. Attached the EK block to the plate with some AS Silver epoxy. Big nerve racking moment was powering up the MB to see if it would post...and voila - success. Lapped my QX9650 and am using Liquid Pro TIM (first time for both of these) so interesting to see what the final results are going to look like.
Here's a quick shot of the primary loop (GTX 480) :
http://www.cyberfiles.net/blocktube.jpg