The link is in my review, but here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...8000CL5D-4GBPQ
And for future reference, www.pricegrabber.com
The link is in my review, but here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...8000CL5D-4GBPQ
And for future reference, www.pricegrabber.com
I hope you really need that SLI thing. Otherwise, get rid of this buggy piece of **** and get yourself decent P35/X38 board.
Well,
I've actually had really good luck with this system. Never had a problem, and I run my QX6700 at 3.5GHz.
I bought cheap ram in the past OCZ 6400 Platinum and they ran fine in 4G configuration.
As to linpack,
Isuspect that something more that just ram is stability is going on. Please seem to be having good success with a lot of the prime95's, Orthos etc but linpack just kills the systems.
IN my case I suspect it's something to do with my CPU overclock. I have never had a crash with any of the usual tools mentioned above, and in the year I have been using my system also.
What I find suspect is that my CPU temperatures never go above 60C with all of the above tests. I have a watercooled system with a triple rad just for the CPU. With Linpack, the termperatures hit 72C almost immediately. I think that I am hitting a CPU limitation and not ram although it seemed to run fine with my 4G set. Any insight?
tomb18
Try lower your CPU multi. 72C is normal for Linpack 64b under water, i have the same temps and i can run Linpack without any lockups (on P35). But with errors, if memory is set to 1000MHz.
680i is very bad for multitasking and has very low memory performance in this case. It has never being designed for such a high load as Linpack.
Well, I ran memtest overnight and this morning there was an error on test 5.
This is at stock memory settings 1000MHz unlinked, 5,5,5,15
The system specs are as follows:
QX6700 10x multi 1400 FSB voltage under load 1.45V
Water cooled (triple rad)
nvidia 680i board
4x2G F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ 2.1V 5,5,5,15
Silverstone 1000W PS
All chipsets set at auto voltage
So I am now in the process of running the memory at 900MHz with memtest.
In Vista64, it seems that I can use the computer for everything including processing really large photos in photoshop (4G). If I run prime95 on 4 cores for a while the system locks hard. Can't move the mouse nothing. The same happens with linpack but much quicker.
This is something I never saw previously with my system. Normally, there would be an error in prime95 for example and that's it.
All right. It is possible that one or more dimms are defective given the failure on memtest. I suppose that if I can do 2 dimms at a time and see if there is a pattern perhaps there is a dimm that is not so good.
I do not really mind running at 800MHz, since the presence of 8G for my photoshop work is what really counts. I did some processing last night with a 48x72" 300dpi file with several layers and filters and it took about 10 seconds vs 45 minutes or so in the past with 4G.
A question: If this memory is failing at 1000MHz, is it a dimm fault or just an issue with speed with 4 dimms installed?
Thanks for your help
Well its a real toss up between buying these and the gskill pc 8500.......
While these sticks won't do 500 on our Commando/E8400 setup due to that tRFC limitation, 475 is a major improvement over what we managed with a 4x1GB setup (Ballistix PC2 6400) ...
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?i...5gskillnl0.jpg
P.S. Memset always shows tRTP lower (-2) for some reason ...
Both i guess. The memory has too little OC headroom.
You see, the OC result seems to be inversely proportional to how well you test.
Windows/SPI =high OC.
Memtest86+ quick =average OC.
Memtest86+ long =low OC.
Linpack = lucky if stock.
Still suffice for many gamers i guess, just not for serious use...
Ok I've done a little more testing.
First of all I loaded the latest Bios for my board (it was 3 versionsbehind)
I then ran memtest at 1000MHz 5,5,5,15 2.1V on test 5
and I am always getting an error at one location.
So I tested each module individually, and all are fine. Next I tested them in pairs and all is fine. Put all 4 back, and the failure occurs at the exact same address at test 99%
. I will now try at 800 MHz.
At 800 MHz, same error!
Lowered the FSB to stock, same error.
Upped the MCH voltage twice, no difference.
Now, I'm putting the voltage down on the memory to 2.0V.......fails
What's left?????
Now everything is at stock defaUlt. It still fails at the same place.
Last thing to try, is setting 5-5-5-12 at 800 MHz
Test 5 cannot show the exact error location by its nature.
Yes, the error will change. It is either one address or another. Only two addresses.
It almost sounds like a design flaw on the motherboard which doesn't show up with 4x1G ram.
But there are other people that are running 8G on the 680i without problems or so they say).
I am reluctant to get other ram, since I may run into exactly the same problem if it is a motherboard issue.
Man, I never had these issues with my dual opterons in the past.
This is the key :) What i have discovered, there are always ppl. who have great overclocks and i never could reach the same level. Why so, i asked myself?
With time, i just learned that great overckocks are always taken by the cost of some stability loss.
Can you live with some potential instability? Most ppl. can and thats what they are doing. Because most users do not load they computers that high or do not do any critical work. What's the loss if some pixels in your favored game are rendered in slightly wrong color? You will never notice this.
Don't expect desktop stuff, and especially overclocking memory, to undergo the same rigorous testing as server stuff.
So Cronos, what do you think the issue is in my case. A defective address line or something glitchy in the traces or mch?
No one will tell you.
I had 680i ASUS board with 4x 2GB Supertalent memory, based on Micron D9HNL, running DDR2-667@800 no problem (except very low memory performance, thats why i switched to P35).
You have two options : try to test on P35/X38 board. If you don't have/need SLI, i highly recommend you make this switch anyway.
Or try another pair of sets.
By the way, make sure your tRFC is right, should be 52+ for DDR2-1000 speed.
Well I do have 2 8800GTX's in place for occasional gaming.
I'm thinking of getting the 780i board which apparently does support 8G of this memory as per G. Skill's testing.
Haven't stability tested yet (will get to that soon), but this is my max speed with a kit of these sticks so far at 2.1v.
Shoot me down, but I'll take my stability over 100mhz anytime.
It's fun watching you guys burn up parts in quest of crazy screenies tho. :p:
It's also difficult to cast blame on a product using a means that leaves nothing but conjecture as to why the failure occurs. By mistunng VCORE, VTT or NB voltage I can produce a failure in Linpack just as fast as bad memory will. And then there is overall system stability and proper memory timings.
Ok, now I'm in business!
I bought an eVGA 780i board and finally, the 8G are stable!
Now only that, on my previous 680i I could never get an FSB above 1400. This board, is a piece of cake with no playing around with voltages at all (except CPU), I can boot into windows at 1800MHz and run a bit of prime 95 with no problems so far.
Of course I have alot of work ahead of me to ensure stability.
I will do the linpack in honour of Cronos!
But the memory now passes memtest at 1000 MHz 5-5-5-15 2.1V
I'll keep everyone posted, and maybe make a new thread on 8GB of this ram.
ok guys, I have a question...
I just migrated to vista x64 so I can now access all my available memory and I'm considering the move to 8gb.
My question is which will perform better:
4 gigs at 1200+ MHz (which my tracers do with ease)Or
8 gigs at 1000 MHz
???
What do you think? 8 gigs of ram for under $250 sounds like a screaming deal to me!
oops
Keep what you got, results vary. I cant get much more than a 1000 with these, but its probly my 650i. I had to back down to 437x9 and lose 100mhz cpu to get these to run at 1000. I'm going x38 soon. 8gb is an e-peen thing. I run games servers on Vista at times and I think I've seen usage go as far as 1.5g free in sidebar once.
Great, keep us posted.
By the way, i am very interested in 780i memory performance, i still can't find any information if there is any improvement over 680i.
Try to run Right Mark Multi-Threaded Memory Benchmark (RMMT), which is part of
RMMA suit
http://cpu.rightmark.org/download.shtml
Compare single-threaded BW with multi-threaded.
Don't forget to set at least 30MB per each thread, default 1MB is only good for CPU cache read benchmark.
Cronos, I've been playing around with different FSB's, multipliers and linked vs unlinked etc. I've been looking at bandwidth as displayed by everest. Some of the FSB's and settings give really high latencies like 74ns, other 54 or so.
It seems when I up the FSB to 400 MHz (CPU=3.6 GHz) , memory performance seems to drop alot. Like 8500mb/s in everest (read). On the other hand, I now have the system with an FSB of 360 (CPU = 3.6 GHz) and at a memory speed of 1080 MHz I'm getting 9900 MB/s. Quite a difference.
I haven't quite figured it out yet.
I'll try the right mark.
Ok, The multithreaded version gives an average on 4 cores of 6130MB/s using a 50Mb per thread.
On a single thread the average is 8400 MB/s
At what memory speed?
I forgot to mention, set Read W/Prefetch and prefetch distance=256.
There is some improvement as i see, 680i multi-threaded BW used to drop almost two times vs single-threaded. On the contrary, P35 improves about 20%, having almost 100% advantage over 680i.
Ok, with all threads running and the prefetch set on 50mb sets, the average read is 6226MB/s. It's 8400 MB/s on a single thread.
This is with 4 threads.
This is at 540 MHz (1080) 8GB
I have ~10 000MB/s /4 threads on P35 at 1000MHz
As you see, P35 has almost two times more multi-threaded bandwidth. both 680i/780i are not suitable for serious memory-intensive multitasking.
If someone thinks results showing super_pi 32m equate to 100% rock-solid stability, then they are looking to be disappointed. Most reviewers don't have a month worth of hours to perform a review to show 100% stable overclocks, so we do the best we can with the time we have, and super_pi generally fits that niche.
Hey guys,
Thanks for all the info posted in this thread, lots pf good info here.
I'm using this RAm with a GA-X38-DQ6 and Q600. I can't seem to get them stable with an hour test on OCCT. Has this been an issue for anyone else and should I just use prime 95 for stabililty testing? My CPU seems rock solid with Prime 95 small FFT's for 10 hours. Whats the best way to go from here? And is it worth getting rid of these for the PC2-8500 2 x 2 GB?
Thanks for the help
I'm surprised more people aren't testing their memory bandwidth and latency. I see many configurations posted here that are slower than DDR2-800 speed with a lower set performance level (tRD).
Has anyone achieved <58 latency in Everest or >9000 in memory read with this G.Skill on a P35 board? If so, what were your settings?
I have on a 780i board. Highest stable speed so far is around 9200-9800 MB/s with a letency of around 54ns. This is at 5-5-5-15 2.1V and speeds between 1000 and 1033. Speed on this platform so far seems mostly dependent on the FSB. FSB's under 1600 give much beter performance. Once over, speed drops to under 8500 MB/s
All reported by everest.
This is with 4x2GB.
This is the best I was able to do at stock voltage with a Gigabyte DS3R + E8400.
2000FSB vs 1800FSB
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1...ckvoltaws1.png http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/264...ckvoltaoo0.png
Memset screenshots for 2000FSB and 1800FSB.
The problem with P35 is that you cannot increase the FSB without increasing the tRD (known as performance level in Memset), and tRD has by far the most significant impact on memory performance.
Has anyone been able to attain significantly better results on a P35 board with this memory?
Use 6:5 divider with PL=7.
What PL are you on with these two settings?
Well, I found that 8GB of this ram is stable at 1000MHz 5-5-5-15 and 2.1V with 200 iterations of Linpac. As Cronos mentioned, this is a uber stability test. It makes my quad hit 74C on water (prime 95 never gets more than 60C).
However, to do so, I had to lower my multi on my QX6700 down to 9 from 10. With an FSB of 1400 I'm taking a hit down to 3.15 ghz whereas before with 4G and a 680i board I ran stable at 3.5 GHz.
I haven't figured out why yet but is it normal that with 8G you would have to lower the cpu speed? I would have thought that I would have had to lower the ram speed.
The problem is, if I raise the FSB much mnore then memory perfomance really takes a dive.
Cronos,
Opps, I started it again and it overwrote the file!
I've brought up the fsb to 1380 to try and get back some of my speed.
We'll see how it does.
Temps are hitting 75C!
I'll let you know how it goes.
tomb18,
Just want to remind you, bluescreens&hangs are rare and extreme events, meaning your configuration is far from being stable.
Error-free operation is what you should be after. Check the Residual(Norm) values, they should all be equal down to the last digit.
You can open the *.bat file in any text editor and set any desired name for the output file for your convenience.
On Asus maximus formula the 450 fsb @ 540-5-5-5-x works easily and with
low nb voltabe ~ 1.35 v with performance level = 7. Latency is ~53+ ns.
So your bandwidth is accepted with those settings.
If you can push memory to 550 they will have same latency as with tRD=PL=7@540
You can try to tighten these timings:
tWR,tWTR,tRRD,tRTP = 6-3-3-3
I was wondering if someone could help me understand what I am seeing with this memory on a 780i plateform with a QX6700.
I have this memory running stable at 1000 MHz 5-5-5-15 in an 8G configuration.
At an FSB of 1333 to 1500 Memory reads in everest are from 9400-9800 MB/s and writes are down around 6500 MB/s. Latency is around 54ns.
The moment the fsb goes higher (1550 -1800), the memeory read speed drops down to 8000 MB/s, write speed goes up to 7500 MB/s and latency raises to 74ns. It doesn't matter whether I am linked, synced, or unsynced or what the MHZ is for the ram.
What I don't really understand is why the memory performance for writes goes up while reads go down.
Can anyone shed some light?
Thanks
Great,
Thanks for the reply, so its safe to say that the RAM is stable after 10 hours of 4 x Prime95? How bout Orthos? Or is there other programs that I should be looking at?
Thanks again
Well I pulled the trigger on this memory. It will be here tomorrow and will be going in the rig in my sig.
I will post results.
Are you saying there are revisions that do not do as well? I'm moving away from a Crucial 4gb setup since the IC's they use now are inferior and one set already failed on me at 1100mhz 2.2v.
Is it safe to assume a set of these will do 1100mhz? or is it worth it to get the 8500 G.skills?
For anyone using this memory on a Maximus Formula...these settings are spot on for 1066:
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 400
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2- 1066
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time : AUTO
Write Recovery Time : AUTO
Read to Precharge Time : AUTO
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (D) : AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: AUTO
Ai Clock Twister : AUTO
Transaction Booster : AUTO
CPU Voltage : 1.4375
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50
North Bridge Voltage : 1.49
DRAM Voltage : 1.92
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : ENABLED
CPU GTL Reference : AUTO
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : AUTO
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5
NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :
CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled
Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled
USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support : Disabled
LOL.....AUTO AUTO AUTO AUTO AUTO AUTO AUTO AUTO...*repeat*
I run mine setup in manual on an Asus P5K Prem and they crank, can do 600 4-4-4-19 at 2.4. Best Mem I have tested in a while even surpassing my Team Xtreme and much cheaper.
Well right now im running my fsb @ 400 with the ram in 1:1
I may try to go as high as 425 or 450 but either way the memory should stay under the rated 1000mhz spec so it should do just fine for my needs.
Wow I checked the Egg this morning and the memory is down to 109.99 as if it wasnt a good enough deal already!
I noticed in the bios of the 780i board, this memory is displayed as SLI ready.
I have not used this type of memory before and it is disabled for me and I have set the speed manually.
Is there any advantage to enabling SLI mode and then setting the speed?
Thanks
Ok got em up and running. I left my current OC of 3.6ghz but bumped the mem up to 480mhz. Left the timings loose at 5-5-5-15
Gonna fire up orthose for a few hours and see how it goes.
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4131/cpusg8.jpg http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8995/memua5.jpg
All on Auto.... should I mess with them or leave them be? Its running perfectly so would I gian anything by changing the sub timings?
I wonder if any 2x2GB@1000MHz kit do not use Powerchips...
Subtimings worked for Abit IX38: TWR = 8 TWTR = 4 TRRD = 3 TRP = 3
On Asus Formula 6-3-3-3
ANOTHER price drop!...now $110 with free shipping!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231145
Tryna compete against this perhaps?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227280
wow the ocz came way down
Interesting, recently i have been retesting one of my 8GB set with new BIOS on P5K Pro which at last allow for manual higher tRFC. I set tRFC to 60 and run Linpack 64b 30k as my usual test. After a while i noticed Linpack produced some unusual errors -very small Residual (Norm) deviation from average ( it always failed on me with unacceptably large residuals before). This is not necessary a fail but may be of strong indication of those. I also noticed the fan is not blowing over sticks and they had become very hot. I remounted the fan over them, test still in progress, but since then no error have popped out. Probably this memory is very sensitive to overheating? And Linpack 64b seems to be very sensitive to small errors, as usual. I had ran overnight Memtest86+ previously, same setup, no errors.
I bumped up my OC a bit. This rig is rock solid @ 3816. The memory is running @ 508 now :)
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/629/cpuvh9.jpg http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/9688/memsc2.jpg http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3575/mem2ji0.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/9008/voltyp8.jpg
This memory is awesome! Given the new low price I jumped on two kits. Thanks Enjoy and eva for the reviews.
Currently playing with Vista x64 and I like it. Looking for a way to tweak Vista's SuperFetch to take advantage of the surplus of ram available.
Nice stuff nonetheless!
Help me!
my F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ are stuck at 933Mhz
i have tried 2.0, 2.025, 2.05, 2.075, 2.1 volts
timing on auto
none of these setting can get my above 933mhz
anything above 933mhz, my system wont post
i expect it to run at spec, what is wrong with my settings?
my system:
Asus Striker Extreme BIOS 1503
2X2gb 8000cl5d-4gbpq's in slot A1 and B1
Q6600 B3 @ 3Ghz with stock cooler
all mem timing on AUTO
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3248/ramof9.jpg
thx
Raise manually tWRWR ,tRTW,tWR
I have read at G.skill pc8500 threads than nforce 6xx cannot play with them i hope i am not right since yours are 8000
I have a Asus P5BD and have just purchased G.Skill F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ Kit thinking they be great for overclocking and were cheap. I hear alot from users they easily do 1066 5-5-5-15 at 2.1 but i cant go higher than 900 with this P5BD. I ran them at 2.0. 2.1 2.2 highest is 933 now. Are they too good for this board or something? Is it the board? They wont even do a 1000.
It's a TRFC issue most likely. Leave TRFC at AUTO.
@PkG.1337
Hey seems you got the same problem i have. Stuck at 933. anything above 933 doesn't post. thanks i try the T settings.
i thought 1000 was default. surely they should come up at default spec without messing with the t settings? seems like 800 memory to me.
i'm using low FSB and higher memory frequency and still 933.
Very true. Remember i had a long subtle instability problem with all my sets (8 total)? Turned out it was tRFC! Even 52 was not enough. 55 solved all issues.
I would have found this earlier but ASUS limited tRFC to 42 max. Only in recent BIOS for my board they added wider selection of values.
ok here's an update.
i been away a year from overclocking and was using the 1004 bios 1/1/07 and flashed it to 1219 and no different. i tried swapping both sticks from the yellow slots to the black slots and same result.
there is no setting above 42 for TRFC and so i can't select 52 or 55 and no seperate auto setting for TRFC and the rest. I selected a new FSB 290 and ran the memory at 967 and turned off manual memory settings and set it to Auto Tune and it posted lol (so much for manual tuning) and this posts and is windows stable. i believe i could do this before i flashed as i didn't select this FSB before but 300 to try and do 1000.
so i would seem that the memory settings of the P5BD are lacking like on the newer boards but 967 is better and closer to a 1000.
i try contacting G.Skill, thanks
ok i got the memory running at a 1000 on the P5BD now :) at 300FSB. Auto speed tuning on. i set PCI to 110 and turned off C1E that did the trick. the memory heat spreaders feel very cool so it looks promising. looks like it was me not the board or the memory.
on post the memory is displaying as PCI-7100 interleaved.
Another price drop!...now $99.99 with free shipping!
$100 for 4GB of memory....astonishing!
they're i get 550 5-5-5-x at 2.1v
more good news got this memory running at 1170 at 2.1 am very happy cookie. memory bandwidth 6.6Gb/s
How would you compare these the the OCZ sticks? I tend to be biased toward OCZ, but they seem to be the same chips, correct?
Can you post a memset screen?
Is that on P5B Deluxe?