I use a strand wire from a floppy cable or a psu wire.
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I use a strand wire from a floppy cable or a psu wire.
I can go cut it from an old psu i guess. Just cut off a molex connector and about 1/4" of wire.
decided to try this via the pin route with aim for 200
not sure if i'm doing right because all i get is post at 100
even if m/b is jumpered for 100 it posts 100 or if at 133/166
it posts at 100 :confused: board&bios supports 400fsb
Any one got a guide to the pin numbering?
Pic of pin paint....
http://brittech.co.uk/fbsen.jpg
whatever the mod types you perform, after you are done, reset your CMOS and boot it up. When you look in there, go to the CPU frequency/FSB screen and see what the default/rated CPU speed and FSB it shows. That's where you need to look, not the default speed shown in the first bootup BIOS screen.
as for the wire, just use a strand of wire from a speaker or fan wire that are not in use/ or trashed. It doesn't have to be a gold wire.
done all that ;)
always boots as an xp 1500
for the xp1700 cpus, after the mod, it will post at 11 x 100mhz FSB, period, no matter what kind of mod you do to it.
if you have the xp1700 and did the mod and always boots as xp1500, well, something you did is wrong. Definitely.
and even if you succeed in 200fsb mod, I don't think you will get much of FSB oc'ing improvement at all. I went back to 166fsb mod. Of course, this doesn't mean automatically yours will behave exactly the same as mine, but something for you to consider. ;)
Thought i'd just test 200fsb out for the shear hell of it.
Its an XP2100 i've undone the mod and done a top
chip paint of the bridges so i'll test that in a mo.
both pins when painted were showing ground at under
1 ohm so bit confused.
O well test 2.....
Doh now I feel silly :am:
Just noticed on the second try, i'm using a machine I have
not used in some time and its a tad dark and its in its case still
Some theiving so and so swipped me backup backup batt :rolleyes:
Put a new one in put the CPU in and bingo 200FSB CPU
can't believe it took me this long to notice :lol:
1 last question. I cut a piece of wire from a fan. Should i use 1 strand of that, or the whole thing?
1 strand. :)Quote:
Originally posted by gouda96
1 last question. I cut a piece of wire from a fan. Should i use 1 strand of that, or the whole thing?
I also use telephone wire and although the mod was successful, it didn't make much different in my OC. Do you think the telephone is the problem? Should I use something else?
Hey PCice, m8. Can you give me any tips on flashing the NF7-S v2.0 with bios 1.0 from bios 1.7? If I use the files from the bios 1.0 extractable then I get alot of write errors in the flash. If I substitute a later version of awardflash it tells me the PMC flash chip is write protected!
Use the Abit Flash Menu Windows flashing utility!
That'll let you flash to and from ANY bios for the board!
Thx m8. I'll give it a go. Last time my bios got screwed using flashmenu, so wish me GL!Quote:
Originally posted by kup
Use the Abit Flash Menu Windows flashing utility!
That'll let you flash to and from ANY bios for the board!
Never had any problem with flashmenu, but i think it's still a beta
Is there anyone that have closed the pins at the back of the motherboard instead of pin-modding the cpu or the socket?
I have tried to close the 3:rd L12 on the cpu 200 times now without success so i´m thinking this might be easier. Before i try this, i want to know if anyone have done this with success.
TIA
Mac
Try the wire drop method, worked first time for me and was easy as pie.
I agree with you and i hope a mod will hear you, anyway this thread is often in the first page and can be easily found even if the search engine won't acept the word "L12"Quote:
Originally posted by mackanz
Nice thread, i vote for a sticky
Just use wildcards ;) just write "L12*" into search window.
to antipop : Hi, before this thread could move to a sticky, it would be great if you gather all the informations and edit your first message in order that anyone that read the 1st page can have his answer about :Quote:
Originally posted by antipop
-what this mod do
-there is 3 methods to make the L12 mod :
-painting the top of the cpu
-painting the back of the cpu
-wire mod into the socket
-the cpu's recognition into bios once the mod is done
etc...
the is a site that i would like you put in the 1 st message because it is the most valuable one about the L12 mod with wire that i've seen up to now :
http://www.geocities.com/trats102002/nf7sFsbsense.html
regards
Xigfrid
isnt there another way to do the L12 mod...........................either cutting the bridges if its a 333 or conecting the bridges if its a 266...................( i mean on the CPU)
to xigfrid : i'll do this but give me some more time. I'm still on vacation and my internet time is counted
to bradpit999 : you can either close the 3rd L12 bridge or do a pin mod (talking about the 266 chip). You don't have to do anything to a 333 chip
Quote:
Originally posted by antipop
to xigfrid : i'll do this but give me some more time. I'm still on vacation and my internet time is counted
to bradpit999 : you can either close the 3rd L12 bridge or do a pin mod (talking about the 266 chip). You don't have to do anything to a 333 chip
my 2700 XP is a 333.....................and the L12 mod on the 333 CPU is the reverse of what you do to a 266 CPU...............instead of closing it you CUT the conection
not many 333 guys online have these CPU so not many people doing it to give such advice
You would only want to do this if you have a abit rev1.2 or lower
If you have an abit nf7 rev2 than you don't have to touch anything
but PRAETAREO
3 threads up from yours has mentioned this mod specificly for the 2700 333 CPU.................. as they dont run over 210 FSB without this mod
This is an 'old' thread and it was made before the rev2 and the new crush chipset was out. SO as i said before do it only if you have a rev1.2 or older otherwise keep your chip the way it is
PC Ice - what was it you were saying about enabling 8-bit mode? Thx.
This just a bridge mod - or can it be done via the pins as well?
putting a wire connecting pins, or a wire connecting sockets would work best. These last few questions were all answere in this thread...just go back a few pages.
HE's talking about the 8bit mode. I honestly don't know if it can be done by the pin.Quote:
Originally posted by gouda96
putting a wire connecting pins, or a wire connecting sockets would work best. These last few questions were all answere in this thread...just go back a few pages.
gouda i'll soon sum up the thread in the first post but give me some time, it's coming soon
that is a very good idea. 8-bit mode can be done with the pins...go back a few pages and you will find a pic...i think it is pretty far back now. It was right when i started posting here...maybe 4 or 5 back i think?
It sounds cosmetic only, i.e. just gives you the options in the bios - with no real overclocking purpose. If this is true then its not for me, especially as I used the socket method rather than bridges.
i think it is just something that is neat...doesn't yield additional preformance. I am gonna do it...it is only 1 more piece...not a big deal for me when the proc is already off.
I personally get just excited when I find a funny mistake or quirk in my comp as i am when i game 1 or 2 fsb. 8bit mode seems realy funny...i can't wait to see it.Quote:
Originally posted by pc ice
haha..ya it's not for those who's whole purpose on the pc is to gain performance..it's for those who enjoy doing any thing and every thing wiether it gain's performance or is just another thing to do while we enjoy our pc's....and all there blunder's.
i like looking in my bio's to see lot's of option's that i can use and when i set it to 3200+ i would say that's performance.it's no longer @ 2100 and i only had to select it in the bio;s quick and easy.
and what's up gouda96...im going to hook you up with a good one ok. im testing more this weekend....and will set up paypal.
Sound great ice, keep me posted :D...i am salavating just thinking about it:slobber:
Back from your 3 day bannage? :DQuote:
Originally posted by IamAnoobieCheez
1 strand. :)
Quote:
Originally posted by megatron
Back from your 3 day bannage? :D
Look at my message the date it was posted.
what's the date on that?
That message was posted long before I got temp banned.
Digging up someone's old message isn't really necessary..
What's worse is that what does someone getting banned has anything to do with the CPU L12 modding. I just don't see the relation here.
The key word in this case, is unrelated topic discussion.
Follow the thread topic. Keep it clean and stay with the subject.
this is a good advice, really..
Don't know how well known this is, but HighSpeedPC sells a great unlocking kit for Athlon XPs. Here's the link:
http://www.highspeedpc.com/Merchant2...tegory_Code=OC
Gonna try the mod tonight on my week 19 1700+, probably on both L12 and L3. Looking at the pics that people have posted, this mod HAS to be easier than painting the five L1 bridges of the old Athlons!
I was wrong...it's not easier. Tried twice to connect the bridges without success. I'll probably try again tomorrow.
........was able to use this trick when turning my 2500 into a 133cpu and a 200cpu. Testing a 2400 now, but cannot tell if the 166cpu mod worked. All I see is user defined in the d1.7 bios and nothing else. Can anyone confirm that that is what a successful one looks like?.................
............Thks for your help.............
It ain't that great cause the paint stay liquid and after a few weeks it goes off.Quote:
Originally posted by VoXie
Don't know how well known this is, but HighSpeedPC sells a great unlocking kit for Athlon XPs. Here's the link:
It's actually not paint but grease that does stay gooey, but it comes off very easily if you make a mistake. Also, I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say it "goes off" after a few weeks. I've had my 1600+ modded for several months without incident.
I killed my 1600+ using it. Actually the paint went down and didn't covered the bridges anymore, when i wanted to redo it i made a mistake and the 1600+ never worked again :(
I finaly got around to putting a 2500+ in my rig, up from a 1700+@2500mhz, at first i couldn't run the chip at 200fsb in my NF7-S 1.2 . It is now running great at 200fsb and will be going for more, I did the L12 mod to bring it back to a 133fsb default and it is working wonders. Thanks to all the great info you guys contributed to the Xtreme I am now a happy camper.
I did the mod but I wasn't getting any peformance boosts from it.... untill i tried bios D10 on my NF7.
+15Mhz FSB just like that. :)
hey guys.. whats the easiest way to make my 133mhz 1700 a 166mhz? anyone got some pics of this telephone wire trick? im a visual person, lol..
(sorry if its been said previously in this thread, but it would take too long to go though all 17 pages of this thread)
There was some pics in the beggining of the thread, just scroll back and you'll find the page (around page 4-5 i think)
I will sum up the whole thread in the first post but i jsut started uni again jsut give some time
so is that gold thing there the wires? im still kinda confused.. picture is vague. :(Quote:
No the gold thing is some conductive paint but the wire method is the same thing but you don't use paint but a small wire to connect those two pins
(i swear there was a pic in the topic but i can't find it anymore)
so with the wire u actually "plug" it in 2 holes in your cpu socket on your motherboard right?
you can either do that, i don't if anyone has done it, and i think it's quite tricky ; or you take a wire make a circle with it and put it around the two pins
which two pins? gotta pic?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...894#post181894
I advice you to read the whole thread as it has some good info hidden
Today i tried the pin mod. It seems to work because i can only select "user defined" cpu settings. I can run @ 240 fsb perfectly with cpu interface disabled so my ram is not holding me back.
Then i tried 230fsb with cpu interface enabled. My pc didn't boot.
Same for 225fsb. I can boot into windows with 223 fsb perfectly.
So after the mod nothing changed :/
Vdd is @ 1.7 Bios 1.6
Any tips? I'm not trying Bios 10d because ive got Sata..
Btw: Ive tried this with my 2400+ and 1800+.
Im getting an XT too. For free! :D
That is kind of high, but I would take one at that price :DQuote:
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
Im getting an XT too. For free! :D
I want one tooQuote:
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
Im getting an XT too. For free! :D
lol gouda.
yeah, some guy on the amdmb forums is hookin some of us guyz up.
I've been doing the L12 mod to all my chips for a while now & its always worked for me but this time i did both the L12 & 8 bit mod
to a 1700+ DLT3C to be used in a used NF7-S rev2 i picked up. to my surprise when i entered the bios all it showed for cpu was user defined & 3200+. sure enough it booted @ 11x200fsb & 1.5v. now its running nicely @ 2500mhz with 1.725v. on air. my pc2700 craps out @ 227fsb & the Geil doesnt seem to like anything over 230fsb, but i have some Mushkin level 2 pc3500 on the way. im going to see how high i can go with it before throwing my prommie & chiller at it.:D
wow, I find that hard to believe.. show me a screenie lol.
Im gonna send u my chip so u can do the mod.. :D
Sorry about the pic qualty. cpuid & cpuz just id it as an AMD Athlon XP but no string, 3DMark id's it as unknown. so this is all i can show you. i did the mod just like pcice described, on top with
conductive grease. i did it once in my epox but there was no change in the bios at all.
It is a realy easy mod, just read a few posts in here and you will be able to do it in like 2 minutes. If I wasn't so wrapped up in my intel system I would have done it like 2 months ago...still haven't done any mods to my amd system yet...Quote:
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
wow, I find that hard to believe.. show me a screenie lol.
Im gonna send u my chip so u can do the mod.. :D
can u gimme a link to the page where he describes how he did it plz? I wanna try this out. how much does it cost to buy all that conductive stuff? :(Quote:
Originally posted by vlad
i did the mod just like pcice described,
......I find the wire trick is the easiest..........
wiretrick
The 2nd page of this thread. look for pcIce's post. you can get the unlocking kit for $12 from highspeedpc.http://www.highspeedpc.com good luck;)Quote:
Originally posted by FlyingHamster
can u gimme a link to the page where he describes how he did it plz? I wanna try this out. how much does it cost to buy all that conductive stuff? :(
I think those pics are actually posted in this thread somewhere, and that page is already linked...but when you get this many pages it is nice to put it at the end and the beginign.
tomorrow I am gonna do all my nf7-s mods...vdim/vdd/L-12/12 bit/nb cooling/sb cooling/mosfet cooling.
Once my intel stuff gets here I will forget all about my amd setup, so if I don't do it now it will never get done.
.....OR JUST MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THIS.......
http://home.comcast.net/~patches173/xp3200-example.gif
just sticking wires in the socket is very easy
ice, I thought you couldn't return the stuff you killed? That is incredible...I would love to have that kind of reassurance :D
No fear of any mod ever...that kind of piece of mind would make me take alot more risks, and get better results.
Alright folks i've finally edited the first post, if you want to take a look and tell me if i forgot something or said a dumb thing
As long as people take the 20 seconds to read it, it looks pretty good...but that seems to be a problem that everybody has every now and then...
.......nice work on the edit :thumbsup:........Quote:
Originally posted by antipop
Alright folks i've finally edited the first post, if you want to take a look and tell me if i forgot something or said a dumb thing
10x BBThumper and gouda96, at least now they don't have the excuse that there is too many pages :)
I've added some links and added the fact that the mod is only for the latest nvidia chip (ie abit nf7 rev2)
dude, u forgot to put this pic too
http://members.iinet.net.au/~zzhang/L12mod.jpg
it's a bit clearer than that artistic shot i took hehe :P
10x for the pic, nice shot
Can you tell me where the golden arrow was toward? I wanted to add something like that so people ca see better where the pins are on the cpu.
top left, so the shown area is the bottom right bit of the cpu
10x a lot Ragnarok for your help, it'll make the mod easier to understand
hey, they still got 2100+'s at newegg for 62 dollars. would this be a good choice in terms of overclocking and all? its either that or a duron 1.6 or a 1800+..
Hi
I just popped in a 2500 Barton AQXEA 0331 inplace of my venerable 2100 Tbred "B" which easily did 2400 mhz (230 x 10.5) @ 1.85 vcore.
My question is with this Barton, what happened to the 10-10.5 multipliers?
I am not complaining as this 2500 is currently doing 11 x 230 @ 1.9 and seems to be stable.
I am running a NF7-S rev 2.0
I,ve since flashed the bios, and although I returned back to the bios that allowed for the above speed, the Barton will no longer run at those settings. The 10-10.5 's are long gone.
That is a question that many have asked, and I am yet to hear a consistent answer.Quote:
Originally posted by lght1
Hi
I just popped in a 2500 Barton AQXEA 0331 inplace of my venerable 2100 Tbred "B" which easily did 2400 mhz (230 x 10.5) @ 1.85 vcore.
My question is with this Barton, what happened to the 10-10.5 multipliers?
I am not complaining as this 2500 is currently doing 11 x 230 @ 1.9 and seems to be stable.
I am running a NF7-S rev 2.0
taco-go with a barton 2500 or a 1700xp if you can't spend the extra few bucks. They both seem to oc better, and the newest batch of 2500's seem to oc the best, and aren't much money.
Hi all, I hope you can help me.
I have an NF7-Sv2.0 and a 400Mhz Barton 3000.
Does anyone know if L12 and or cutting bridges to make this 200 processor behave like a 166 or 133 processor would help me get more FSB?
Details, links, or advice would be greatly appreciated!
lallend i doubt it would help, as i've stated this mod works only for 133fsb cpu's unless you have a rev1.2 board (which is not your case)
is the mod hard to do?
nope.... read thru the thread and it's all explained.
........it all explained in the 1st post. I'm sure you just missed it when you read it the first time ;) ..................Quote:
Originally posted by newkid
is the mod hard to do?
yeah...that's it;)Quote:
Originally posted by BBThumper
........it all explained in the 1st post. I'm sure you just missed it when you read it the first time ;) ..................
it is funny how I have actually read every single page of this mod, and it couldn't get any easier, but yet I still have not done it...:toast:
i got to looking at the model 10 tech sheets and for 200 fsb fsb sense 1 =0 and fsb sense 2=0 however on the model 8 its listed as reserved with no fsb listed and on the modle 10 the former 100 fsb which is fsb sense1= 1 and fsb sense2=0 is now reserved.... which leads me to wonder if the former 100 fsb might be 233 fsb on a next release? what do you all think?
Would this mod work on a 1800+ XP Palomino .18 micron chip? I have a MSI KT3 Ultra Motherboard.
Read the first post it's written that the mod is only for nf7 and tbred!Quote:
Originally posted by askme-starfox
Would this mod work on a 1800+ XP Palomino .18 micron chip? I have a MSI KT3 Ultra Motherboard.
I haven't understand a thing of your post!Quote:
Originally posted by tennvols_69
i got to looking at the model 10 tech sheets and for 200 fsb fsb sense 1 =0 and fsb sense 2=0 however on the model 8 its listed as reserved with no fsb listed and on the modle 10 the former 100 fsb which is fsb sense1= 1 and fsb sense2=0 is now reserved.... which leads me to wonder if the former 100 fsb might be 233 fsb on a next release? what do you all think?
No, it will not help. Tried it already and so have others with no improvement. Even hurt some.Quote:
Originally posted by lallend
Hi all, I hope you can help me.
I have an NF7-Sv2.0 and a 400Mhz Barton 3000.
Does anyone know if L12 and or cutting bridges to make this 200 processor behave like a 166 or 133 processor would help me get more FSB?
Details, links, or advice would be greatly appreciated!
You have to flash back to the 10 bios to get them. Get the 10d if you are running sataQuote:
Originally posted by gouda96
That is a question that many have asked, and I am yet to hear a consistent answer.
taco-go with a barton 2500 or a 1700xp if you can't spend the extra few bucks. They both seem to oc better, and the newest batch of 2500's seem to oc the best, and aren't much money.
Like many others seem to have, i tried this mod on my 2500 barton and it dod nothing, zip, nada, bugger all, well it did someting, changed my max overclock,did 2450mhz before the mod and guess what it did after the mod?
2380mhz :mad:
Flipping thing, ah well, out comes the cleaner :p
Next time read the first page, it's written clearly that this mod is only for TBRED CPU and not for barton!!!Quote:
Originally posted by Bundles
Like many others seem to have, i tried this mod on my 2500 barton and it dod nothing, zip, nada, bugger all, well it did someting, changed my max overclock,did 2450mhz before the mod and guess what it did after the mod?
2380mhz :mad:
Flipping thing, ah well, out comes the cleaner :p
I doubt it, they put it as reserved coz there arent any 200 FSB Tbreds and 100 FSB bartons (I assume they left 133 in there for the thorton)..Quote:
Originally posted by tennvols_69
i got to looking at the model 10 tech sheets and for 200 fsb fsb sense 1 =0 and fsb sense 2=0 however on the model 8 its listed as reserved with no fsb listed and on the modle 10 the former 100 fsb which is fsb sense1= 1 and fsb sense2=0 is now reserved.... which leads me to wonder if the former 100 fsb might be 233 fsb on a next release? what do you all think?
200 FSB will prob be the last of the socket A's...
I just did it on my 1800+ and it worked.
I painted it on and no probs. I tried dropping wire in the holes before but I think I tied the wrong holes.
I also tried the 8bit L3 mod but I tried that on the bridges on the top of the cpu.
That didnt work from what I can tell.
Ill try it the next I have the cpu out on the bottom this time.
I have to go test this thing .
Later
Wardog
Well my 1800 was chipped by the weight of my copper heatsink and 92mm tornado.
Everything was going great after the mod then BAM.
All settings became unstable. Heat startd to go way up etc.
Well I thought I didnt seat something properly so I took it all apart. Then I was looking at the heatsink and saw little specks of sand.
Not really sand though, silicon is what it was.
Weird it still booted up into windows and I could run for a few minutes then crash. I thought it would just not work at all.
So now I have a new 1800 JIXIB this time. The last one was a jiuhb. So far very stable and very little volts.
Stable upto 2100mhz at stock Vcore.
Also have the fsb at 235 priming stable so far right now.
Before with the other processor and all voltages maxed and modded(not L12 mod just vmods.) I could only run stable at 225.
Well more tests awaiting.
Later
Wardog
Hey All.
Well this is a follow up to an earlyer post i did. I recently did the L12 & 8bit mods to a second of two 1700+ DLT3C's i got from eXcaiberpc before they ran out. As in my first post this one also
shows user defined & 3200+ in the bios. actually when it first boots up it only shows user defined then once i go above 200fsb it shows 3200+. both chips will run @ 11x200fsb with stock volts.
so far the first one has gone 2725mhz @ 2.2v. the second right now is at 2610mhz @ only 1.725v. the first is prime stable the second isnt prime stable yet but is stable enough to run 3DMark. im hoping this one will hit 2900mhz or better.:D