but always considered like a cheater and he's not onlyQuote:
Originally Posted by boshuter
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but always considered like a cheater and he's not onlyQuote:
Originally Posted by boshuter
Houba Houba
hey CPU have you got some screenshot links for those times you set
and have you got a run at 3.6Ghz 32M >>> i'm yet to see anyone go sub-3.6GHz with a 12m5xs run ;) :)
I don't know how much OPB shares his tweaks but I got some help with tweaking the OS from him.Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Why OPB most likely won't share his tweaks to XS is because of situations like this when he indirectly get called a cheater.
Victor had a 13M 04sec run, he was hoping Kev could help him find those 4.X seconds :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
The RAM needs 600MHz 4-4-4 on 975/965 to stand a chance :)
what is strange for me more than the scores is opb's thread topics that he talks about himself like third person.
I think this completely discredits OPB's MSN conversation. Didn't make much sense that Coolaler and OPB would buy CPUs off each other in any case...Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
I was suspicious of OPB's SPi 1M WR as soon as it was posted, now we have statistical proof that something weird (faster run due to CPU instability, O.S. time cheat or maybe an insane tweak like Ricky&Pedro's ACPI multiprocessor tweak) was going on.
It would be a start to make videos of SPi runs mandatory, at least that way some forms of cheating can be eliminated.
Feeeewwwww......I just finished reading the whole thread.....:)
In the end we are all going to video cupture a bench from the RESTART (Dos mode) > getting into windows > preparing the bench > till the end of the bench so as to be proven legit and AFTERWARDS the screenshots.....Not good days for the benching world I think......Not anymore.....:(
@hipro...i have asked coolaler to sell me this cpu..and maybe he is confusing us cause of the Hellas Overclocking Team...
But he told me 2 days after that he sold it to another member...
i agree hipro, no :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing chance im going to all that trouble, unless i know im sitting on a WR for #1 in all classes (i.e. never for me :P )
What about this one ? 15 min of work :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ^don.k's^
http://www.overclocking-masters.com/...eens/fake2.JPG
Dude please that is not the idea any one can do that the trick is to get a valid checksum and I think I am one of the very few that can do itQuote:
Originally Posted by misteroadster
set in my sig or above in the page?Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
for the 2nd choice, it's just theoretical :)
at 3.6G my best 32M time is 13m13 with ram@500 and a P5B-DLX, sub 13m would be awesome at 3.6G!! TEAM JAPAN?
:D possible with ram@600 I see an improvement but 32M is not my target
nice fake :p: you also need to Photoshop the cpuz alsong with thisQuote:
Originally Posted by misteroadster
now dont try to pass this off as real :slapass: j/k :p:
so where is the missing heros of the thread on honeymoon like kenneth chong or ????
Kenneth CHong and his P4 2.4C@4350MHz at 1.5v??Quote:
Originally Posted by kromosto
I remember :D
as I said, all the tweaks OPB talked about on XS and OCX forum (this so for public topics) were already know to public, were explaind before, mostly by Japan GURUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by NiCKE^
I just dont understand the "lets say nothing" stance that both of them have taken. I have looked up to OPB for a couple of years now; somehow he was always benching similar hardware to me and has helped enormously. It would be such a shame if this was a cheat rather than a fluke/error result or some new uber tweak that they have discovered. Either way keeping quiet only makes things worse!
Haha, I've noticed that too.:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by kromosto
Leave OPB alone!
OPB is Nº1 the world and nobody can overcome.:banana:
Here the whole world always puts in doubt OPB's results but nobody overcomes...:mad:
:banana: OPB IS Nº1:banana:
regards
That's quite an establishment for anybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaCoSa
After ATi fanboyism, nVIDIA fanboyism, here comes...OPB fanboyism :)
Nice
If he was truely number 1 he would be on here defending himself and explaining how he got the questionable scores.
give me some explanations about what we dispute himQuote:
Originally Posted by DaCoSa
thanks god i not the onlyone that sees this :D :confused:
Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
edit: i promised myself not to post in this thread. a delete of this post would be weclome ;)
OPB is my friend...Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
I ´am OPB fanboyism and you it´s uncultivated....:slap:
The Search uses and you will see that OPB already was giving the face....:fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by goreblast
for what? Cannot you read?:slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by cpulloverclock
regards
Dacosa, move or tell us some facts or reasons which explain all those strange results.
no commentQuote:
Originally Posted by DaCoSa
Heres some new results with QX67 fresh install and OPB registry tweaks. There is more speed to be found, just give it some time. ;) Also, with NV and Intel combo there is no way to get the FSB over 1120 after 3500mhz.
1st shot.
http://www.jason.evolans.com/pictures/IMGP0674.JPG
Second Shot - More MHZ
http://www.jason.evolans.com/pictures/IMGP0675.JPG
There is a large discrepancy between the two times.
The first time has a performance product of 49971.
The second has a performance product of 50637, corresponding to a very well tweaked time.
Edit: I notice that the first one has "/pcilock" and "/noguiboot" in the boot.ini, is this what we're supposed to be looking at?
The first time, however, lacks maxmem, whereas the second one doesn't.
14 pages HAHAHAH OMG!
Didn't we go over this once before? Deja vu.
Those measurements that have nothing to do with the WR run & the hw used, feels like throwing dust in everyone's eyes.
Is this a hopeless attempt to let the thread topic & the current issue slip away ?
It's not going to work.
He is way off normal oc'ers. Oc'ing is for most of us just a hobby, not some highly-important-issue which u can use to skip school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kasparz
every remark he made to XS or every overclocker in the world is just silly.
I don't understand the photos!......What am I suppose to see as a user?....The score?.....the registry?....the amps (disabled/enabled)?....:confused:
The tweaks are there, you've just have to understand them. I'll end my post until I find out further from OPB. :)
thx Jason for having te patience to see this thru..Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonDTM
regards
Raja
Unfortunately I won't have my hardware for another week.
In the meantime, since OPB was courteous enough to show us those boot.ini files, can someone try:
-LargeSystemCache=1 (Also same thing as setting Memory Usage: Adjust for best performance of System Cache)
Then run a 1M at any speed.
Then try another with the following:
/pcilock
/noguiboot
IOPageLockLimit 65536 in registry as shown.
And please post results of both.
We are making some progress now, lets keep the passions and flames low please.
Jason or anyone else in contact with OPB, please let him know that we're glad to see him sharing.
Will do that in a min :)
I'm always full tweaked (even windows) with ALL the above plus much more, except the: "pcilock" and "noguiboot" thing......I'll try them tomorrow though in high speed....:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
EDIT: on the other hand, you just can't simply type : /pcilock /noguiboot in the boot.ini file......These "lines" must indicate to where they are in registry so as the windows search and work them if you can understand what I mean.... :)
I know these tweaks since several years and dont help muchQuote:
Originally Posted by JasonDTM
Quote:
Originally Posted by misteroadster
The world's first time travelling computer!!! It actually went from 8.3s to 8s from iteration 18 to iteration 19. Lol.
Looks like you'll have to spend a wee bit more time before you are an uber faker, :p
Interesting thread, especially if we can all learn some tweaks. I see nothing wrong with people verifying how they did things. Don't think of it as a cheating accusation; think of it as a push for "open source" benchmarks. :D
As Ronald Reagan said about those shifty Soviets, "trust, but verify." :lol:
i'm at work so the newest computer i have available to me is my lappy with 2gb ddr2 533 and a T2500 all stock obviously
stock pi time - 38.047s
boot.ini tweak pi time - 31.344s
i don't if this means anything since my clocks are so low and its older technology.
Try it with N680i and QX6700.Quote:
Originally Posted by cpulloverclock
msconfig, BOOT.INI tab, /noguiboot is there, and the /pcilock is under "Advanced Options" in the same tab.Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
WR's werent done with 680i and QX6700 so this aren't the kinda tweaks we're asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
Asus P5W DH Deluxe [ Hyperpath = enabled ]Quote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
X6800 @ 3.1GHz [ 310MHz FSB , 10 Multi :P ]
OCZ 6400 RAM @ 1:1 [ tCL=3 tRCD=3 tRP=2 tRAS=4 ]
Everyday Windows XP installation [ sorry not much time ]
Runs with LargeSystemCache = 1:
First run=16.427
Second run=16.406
Third run=16.422
Fourth run=16.359
Fifth run=16.344
------------------
Runs with LSC=1, noguiboot, pcilock, iopagelocklimit
First run=16.457
Second run=16.375
Third run=16.375
Fourth run=16.375
Fifth run=16.391
All this time and I haven't noticed the pcilock and the noguiboot things......:DQuote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
OPB wanted me to post this.
1. all the quadcore on nv 680i can't exceed 1100 fsb when the 3500mhz cpu spped reached.
2.all the nv680iboard with different languages installed can't use any version of ntune to change freq. on the fly.
anyone here got a full list of all the registry tweaks you already know?
:) I calculated the average.....Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
these are all old things, as I already said a couple of timesQuote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
/pcilock does nothing significant in my experience, no difference
/noguiboot prevents some bitmaps to load, in other words frees more ram, nothing significant
copy pasted some of reg. tweaks from year ago, some were used by ProTeamJapan, in one of their threas i noticed them, tired all different combination in C2D system, no effect what so ever. And there are some more, but same thing with C2D, uselessQuote:
Runregedit and go to: HKLM/system/currentcontrolset/control/session manager/memory management and set the disableexecutivepaging(This has caused bootproblems for some members, be aware) to =1,
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Session Manager\Memory Management]
Largesystemcache=1
IOpagelocklimit=16384 in decimal
Code:
;----- 512Mo de RAM
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Session Manager\Memory Management]
"IoPageLockLimit"=dword:00070000
;128 Mo de RAM : 0001C000
;256 Mo de RAM : 0003C000
;384 Mo de RAM : 0005C000
;512 Mo de RAM : 00070000
;1024 Mo de RAM : 000F0000
Secondleveldatacache=2048 or the same as your L2 cache size in decimal. (this has lowered HouseERaT's x1900xt score, so check it is an improvement after setting it)
In system.ini , add the following line under 386enh: ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1. (N.B. may cause decrease in scores!)
they worked qute well with A64 and Dothans though
I know OPB that you are reading this, you will just have to do beter that that and I am surprised that I wasn't banned on OCX, it is not that hard to figure out my username there
i think everyone here wants to see how he tweaked for his WR run on X6800...not for qx6700
as I was already been proclaimed as a rudest person ever known, that this is what I should be :D
For starters, OBP could give us a new tweak that hasn't been published on XS jet, any tweak that gives a little boost in SPi 1M, don't care if it is 0.001, okey ?
I dont like the "fanboyism" and i dont like to being a fanboy. OPB has all my respect and now im only waiting he show a little bit of his tweaking. So please, dont be rude, XS its a good forum with a lot of knowdlege and nice people, please keep it as this way.
zborgorgon i'm sure you could do better as you do, stop flaming please, all your new posts only make you look a "contra fanboy"
Cheers
as I said, i have already been proclaimed as an :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::b anana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Onepagebook
on the contraryQuote:
Originally Posted by ThePredator
And why? (once again)Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
To please you and everybody else who don't spend hours of searching through his OS or even browsing the web to find a tweak that gives you a .1s boost.
Honestly, IF anyone thinks that OPB / Coolaler gains the seconds with just one tweak, you're very, very wrong. In order to run that fast, you have to know multiple tweaks that work together. (Some of you might want to check out 'the other forum', which is, to me, a lot more interesting than XS)
@ Everyone: PLEASE stop bashing the people who put a lot of effort in their tweaking.
http://www.hwbot.org/cewolf/;jsessio...00&iehack=.png
Here you can see that OPB's run (second dot from the right) isn't really that far off the ideal line.
sure and if we made a graph with the "right" scale, we would all look like a straight line... whats your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
EDIT:
sorry that came out a bit harsh... im just frustrated @ how closed minded people can be.
please stop assuming we dont know anything about benching and tweaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
i (along with MANY other people posting here) are well versed in the "art" benching and tweaking, and to dismiss our opinions as being blind "bashers" is being a bit ...."blind"
.
I don't think the scale has anything to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Camel
And in which way am I close-minded ??
@massman
with all respect, but we wouldn't be here if it was possible to do what OPB did with only tweaks.
And I really don't understand, a lot of people said his results are not normal and in that case perfectly normal a subject of investigation.
And If you know sth how claiming WR and achievements works world wide in all sorts of diferent categorys.
Lets take a look at acchievements in science. For every Nobel Price achievement. You have to explain the method in detailes and then another group od scientiest need to replicate your results with your procedure and only after that your achievement will be recognized. As simple as that, nothing else.
What does this mean? This has NOTHING to do with the topic so quit posting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonDTM
Meanwhile we have OPBs very nice retort at OCX
If he's really legit why is he sitting on his forum flaming respected members of the OCing community, talking :banana::banana::banana::banana:, and trying to tell us that his tweaks are inexplainable. It's pretty obvious that if he doesn't prove him self legit ASAP he will be labeled a cheater by many, just about everyone that's not from OCX. Will he still "play OC" when no one believes him?Quote:
Originally Posted by OPB
LOL! Man I miss those days...Quote:
Originally Posted by kromosto
@massman, and if we follow the logic of top results from other the best overclockers this world can handle, his result point should be here and that is way way of.
http://img427.imageshack.us/img427/5...95498d7ae4.png
and the point I marked would still be the best tweaked spi run on the world at that very moment
there is some differences on both pics OPB gave in services, but we can't be 100% cause they are not in same order on both pics and not all services are show
difference in
SSDP Discovery Service
QoS RSVP Service
but nothing significant in both of them
i sure hope OPB steps up and explains his tweaks. I agree that his above averge times either need to be explained or invalidated.
Simply not wanting to share is not a good excuse.
Guys like Hipro and pedro and opp and macci etc all have been sharing for years yet they still continue to be on top. (well not so much opp and macci anymore, whereever they are)
No doubt about that, but can you say that you can tweak your system better than OPB, Coolaler or whole team Japan can?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Camel
Some members (I'm not directly talking to you, Joe) really think that they could pull of a WR, but they can't, because some dude has tweaks that no one knows about. Then there are two options:
1) You start to show statistics about the results, which show that the results is indeed incredible, but what do you want ... it's a WR!
2) Start to find more ways to increase (in this case decrease) your score.
OCing is like sports, if you're first at the finish, you're the winner. Of course you'll have to verify that you have NOT cheated (checksum ...). But in the end, you're the winner. You don't have to tell your fellow competitors how you beat them. Some people DO tell important stuff, for example OPB.Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
Well, since it's come down to this. Why doesn't OPB share his tweaks?
They did not tell the tweaks right away. By the way, OPB has given A LOT of tweaks in the past (look to his 1M WR thread), so you can't say he's not contributing to the oc scene jsut because he's not telling all his tweaks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
What did the OPB told the spi freaks community that hasn't been heard before? :?
that's a horrible analogy. the nobel prize was a good analogy. you're accomplishing something that needs to be validated at high degree of accuracy. the checksum obviously doesn't accomplish this. having people replicate your results does accomplish this.Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
Nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiborrr
Massman you're saying that we need to just assume he found some sort of uber tweak just because he has the fastest picture of spi 1m with a working checksum and refuses to explain?
@massman
like sports, okey, but in sport all your quipement is expected after the run, your blood and run is tested. And result is only legit if done on a public competition and all requiremends are furfiled.
If I run a 100m WR on my back yard I just can't claim it, do I ?
and @massman, every single tweak publish by OPB in his WR run has already been know, for quite some time my I add.
and as you can see, chechsum can be faked quite easily, so it just cannot be the only think that is needed
You have to accept that he knows how to finetune his system and pull a WR of.Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
Simple as that, but sometimes you have to have faith in people of not cheating.
To me is the fact that people try to fake their results more disturbing than someone that reaches his top-level and pulled of a WR.Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
why, cheating, lying and thievery exists as long as humanity and it is quite normal in our society, i would be shoched it noone do itQuote:
Originally Posted by massman
as long as there will be tournamens and competition, there will always be somebody that will try to cheat in sports, in science, in gambling, name it...
You are the envious one, it will never be able to be better than OPB.:slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
OPB will return to beat the record and sure you who will put it in doubt.
To where wants to arrive with as much scorn?
OPB IS Nº1
regards
Just wondering: What IF, theese top results cannot be explained, not even by the persons involved? The results they have posted are the results they got? (Regardless of any 'unknown tweak', instability, bugs or what ever) What will happen then?
Just wondering... :confused:
He should explain EXACTLY how he got the score and stop the speculation... end of.
Luck and star placement in the universe :p: :D
That's considered even worse if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by blossa
If I'd ever obtain an abnormal result that I couldn't explain & reproduce, I wouldn't even think of posting it [ and especially calling it a WR ].
But well... since money & rankings found their way into our lives everything started looking tempting, and corrupted minds appeared...
Wherever money, rankings & fame is involved, you'll definately find dirt along with the legit results/things.
Why isnt it innocent until proven guilty and not the other way around? How is ocing different than the rest of the laws and justice system? Just think if someone accused you of a crime and you went to jail unless you could prove you are innocent... A time slightly faster clock for clock is not proof, not matching checksums, evidence of photochopping, etc is.
None of this is proof, all of it is speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by blossa
All you people have done is show that Coolaler and OPB run the fastest times, no more.
Im not saying the results are fake or true, just that you idiots have proven nothing.
heh, where have you been, I already did it, just the other day, here is link to resultQuote:
Originally Posted by DaCoSa
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaCoSa
You are pitiful :D
but I see that you give yourself pleasure, it is the main thing :banana:
nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
...
are you saying OPB and Coolaler can tweak their system THIS much better than the rest of the ENTIRE WORLD?
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5...vsworldba2.jpg
you have to fight fire with fire they say
I agree with zbogorgon. Proof is proof.
Even though "Innocent until proven guilty." You can also argue that if evidence in your favor is not presented, you are likely guilty.
I don't hate OPB or Coolaler, but this is quite an issue. The evidence against you two is quite a bit, you really need to bring some evidence in favor of yourselves, as you now have a need to prove something. Just saying "It happened," is no longer a valid answer.
I wish for these results to be proven real. I wish for everyone to leave happy. Nevertheless, someone is going to walk away angry, but it won't be for nothing.
Innocent until proven guilty is only for LAW
there is no such rule or guideline for acomplishments, it is YOU who have to proove that YOU did sth by the rules
go read the guiness book of records rulles or sth
No, I dont have to say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Camel
That is Speculation, showing a precise moment that OPB or Coolaler screws up and you can show that they are passing off photoshop stuff or passing off a cheat yes.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
Also, that much better than the entire world? Uhm, that's why they're called world records. ;)
THE ONE AND ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT WHEN NEITHER OPB OR COOLALER MAKES ANY STATEMENT AT ALL, THAT CREATES A LOT OF SUSPICION THEIR WAY, NOTHING ELSE! NEITHER VAPOR OR ZBOGORGON ARE TRYING TO DISCREDIT OPB OR COOLALER, THEY ARE JUST STATING THAT THEIR RESULTS ARE QUESTIONABLE, NOT ONCE HAVE THEY SAID THAT THEY HAVE CHEATED. IF ONE CAN'T PERSIEVE THAT FROM THEIR POSTS, THEY ARE SIMPLY XTREMELY NARROW MINDED, OR COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS TO THE TRUTH. OPB DOES NOT NEED TO SHARE HIS TWEAKS, ONLY MAKE A STATEMENT OR ADD SOME FORM OF EVIDENCE OF HIS ACHIEVINGS. PEE REE ODD.
None of you know who I am, though I "know" who many of you are. Sorry for using caps, but I get so aggrevated when people are trying to twist other peoples words. You're talking about flaming! WTF?! Do you even know what it means? It means saying "bad" things to other people on forums, but simply questioning their results is not.
This reminds me so much of when a guy here in Norway cheated in CS 1.6 at a LAN. His clan won, but later on, evidence proved that he was using a so called "design hack". EVERYONE agreed that he cheated, everyone except the people from his home town. What was his response..? "It's just my way of playing..."
I'd sign under Big SturL's post. Couldn't say it better.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tsuehpsyde
:(
fanboy meet hater, hater meet fanboy.... i hope you both kill each other. :fight:
GOOD LUCK guys, im out of this.
Stop posting those :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing word. It's not the subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonDTM
If OPB has some honour, so he takes his cam and show us a very optimised screen over 5GHz.
I'm ok to make huge and public apologize if he make sub 10s @ 5GHz or sub 9s @ 5.5GHz.
But, if he go on this way : not to answer vast clockers questions, I will continue to tell and write that he is a faker. Nothing more, nothing less.
=> I need proof of his godness ability to get his spi results. I don't care about his tweaks. I just want him to show us a RUN with a camera.
OPB, show us your skill :fact: :fact: :fact:
OPB owned all :o
http://www.membres.lycos.fr/boblemag...g/OPBroxxx.jpg
Well, everyone is perfectly entiteled to his own oppinion about the matter, If someone wishes to belive that OPB is Supermenlike or Godlike, it is nothing wrong with that, they say faith is a good thing.
As for me, Onepagebook is just a cheater, nothing more, I am quite sure that he cheated before, now he was just caught and for me, all his accomplishments in past and future are results of a cheater and nothing more.
If by some way, he achieves to explain and prooves that all 3 results in question (10.344s at 4710 MHz, 8.906s at 5550 MHZ and 27.594s at 2800 A64) are done "by the book" I will take back all my words said about this matter and he will have my most sincerest apology.
I will say nothing more about this matter until his explanation or enough proofs are presented.
Personally I think the silence is damning.
If I had achieved those scores and people were questioning my integrity etc I would be on here like a flash showing exactly what I had done and being proud to do so!
Maybe he is being very stubborn, but he should come on here and clear this up. Rather than sending his drones to stir things up.
I Don't Understand Why This Thread Is Still Open?
Close This Thing And Let Evertone Take A Good Deep Breath.
Don't use this word:nono:Quote:
Originally Posted by boblemagnifique