darn, UPS just delayed my cpu/mobo delivery until Monday :(
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darn, UPS just delayed my cpu/mobo delivery until Monday :(
same here with my much needed thermal pads ( last piece of system = $1.50) ugh
All this "magical" thermal diode is is a simple resistor, when the temperature changes, so does the resistance. The cpu measures the resistance of this resistor and just "assumes" that is the correct temperature...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl
This is why this system is flawed :)
I built one yesterday, it could boot OS X at about 3.8 GHz but it was not stable under full dual core load. The system would not post at 3.9 GHz with good air cooling. OS X appear to be perfectly stable at 3.69 MHz (FSB 410). The vCore require for perfect stability at 3.6 MHz appeared to be no more than 1.525V.Quote:
Originally Posted by theonlybabyface
The situation might be different with better cooling, but so far BadAxe2 is not much better than BadAxe1 here. I have another BadAxe2 board that I will probably test on Monday, so we will see if my results thus far are typical.
8 x 462 @ 1.475 stable for 10 hours orthos blend...
figured i was too greedy at first... slowly moving back up to 8 x 475.
I think this analysis is flawed for two reason:Quote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
First, I do not think that even the analog thermal diodes are just "simple resistors", rather I would expect them to be transistor-like devices based on the semiconductors Intel uses in the rest of the chip. However, Core 2 Duo's goes well beyond this now, they use digital sensors which are most certainly not just "simple resistors".
Second, even if Core 2 Duo's used a "simple resistor" the assumptions being made have nothing to do with the sensor being at the "correct temperature". Clearly that would be absurd. Rather, what is assumed (and probably flawed) is that the sensor voltage (or resistance) varies linearly (like a straight line) with temperature, when in fact it is non-linear function (complex).
um, is that with an AW9D by any chance? :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
:)
yeah i wish!!! still on the asus p5b.-deluxe.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErikaeanLogic
the abit board can do 9x423 small fft stable but can't run blend worth crap.
then i tried running memtest (dos version) and i got errors like crazy).
so i switched over to the asus to make sure my mem wasn't bad.
i memtested my memory at 475 and it ran with no errors. so i determined it was the board... can't do anything about it... so i'm waiting for the new bios with the 1333 strap then i'll switch BACK to the abit... so the asus is just a temporary fix :)
shimmishim,
What are you settings man VFSB etc? Trying to get to grips with P5B Deluxe bios here.
Not being funny, but why only temporary?
Cheers
RLM
for 8 x 462 @ 1.475, i did in order after the vcore voltage...Quote:
Originally Posted by RLM
1.4
1.25
1.6
1.057
so i think the vfsb was 1.25.
as i said before, i think my current problem has to do with my NB overheating.
I am moving my desk and computer over from my bedroom into my second bedroom which has no heat running in it so it'll be nice and cold in there :)
Cheers man, much appreciated.
I followed Freecableguy's preparing P5W DH guide and cleaned up and applied AS5 on the NB and SB. Also stuck a couple of fans on them, one off an extreme spirit 2 and one off a blue ice. Should be okay??? MB 37c
Still testing at the mo. Currently on 405x9 @ 1.51v. Volts read 1.45/6 in bios hardware monitor and probe, so figure that one out:confused: New terminology to me but I think I'm correct in saying I have a vdroop of about .03v at load aswell. Idle temp reporting 58c in probe 54/55c in Coretemp WTF. Load goes up to about 70c, which isn't so unusual.
You mentioned in one of your posts about lowering the voltages for better results, and I seem to be experiencing the same. No benefit currently from upping voltages too much to VFSB etc.
Anyway fun'n'games:)
Cheers again.
RLM
yes.. it's all about finding that balance between voltage and temps...
since my aw9d is sitting idle for now, i'm about to remove the mx159cu from it and put it on the p5b deluxe :) hopefully that'll help it cool it some more and run orthos blend longer...
its amazing how long i've spent trying to find a stable 24/7 overclock speed for both of the chips i own...
okay... well after a week of testing with this chip, i've determined that the limiting factor is HEAT. yes, this chip is generating a lot of heat... almost 10C's higher than my e6700es.
and i have a feeling it has to do with the IHS again...
i was adding a thin layer of AS5 to the chip, too thin a layer and when i tried to run blend, my computer would freeze up.
so i took off the waterblock and looked at the imprint and noticed that only two edges had made contact with the cpu.
so i applied a slightly thicker layer and it made a better imprint but temps were still running a bit high.
took the xeon out and popped in my 6700 and i've been able to blend test at 8 x475 for over 4 hours now...
i think this chip might need a bit of sanding as well :)
anyway... wonder if this chip could do more if i could just deal with this heat issue
What kind of temps are you looking at? I find it hard to believe my H2O setup is any better than yours and have zero problems running blend as I've already proven.Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
upper 70's, lower 80'sQuote:
Originally Posted by RacerX
on the 6700, mid to high 60's.
i might have hit a wall also with the chip... i didn't want to try more than 1.565 volts in the bios..
might have to crank it up some more to get it stable at 3.8. guess this chip isn't as good as i thought it'd be... oh well!
I hate to pollute the xeon thread, but until I can buy a nice 3070 xeon, this is all I can play with :(
4ghz dual 32m pass @ 1.63v
http://www.sspmustang.com/ot/x6800/4...al32m-run1.jpg
http://www.sspmustang.com/ot/x6800/4...al32m-run2.jpg
Installed new BI GTX 240 rad and noticed quite improvements in temps and OC. New SS is 4.25 which I will put in my sig later but to compare to fhpchris I came up with this. I finally notice my P5W64 WS Pro is becoming a limiting factor. Waiting for new Asus Commando 965 board.:banana:
http://home.comcast.net/~phippy1/32superPI.JPG
Nice Xeon! what is the stepping?Quote:
Originally Posted by RacerX
I think my windows installation is really screwed up after trying to get this x800 to work, and later corrupting it a few times :(
Decent results Racerx. Decent temps aswell. What's your ambient out of interest?
RLM
so guy's what board are you saying this runs better on the abit or the asus? i have the chip hear in 2 days but unsure abotu what motherboard to get
Quote:
Originally Posted by RLM
Room temp between 70-72c. I think also I might have better contact with block/IHS this time around, only 2nd time mounting the block on the Xeon. Also 80mm fan blowing over ram slots making the system temp lower than what it really is. Vcore set at 1.51v via bios but board overvolts quite nicely +.05v but actually drops to 1.54v underload which I measured on the board itself.
fhpchris, stepping is a L628B127 I believe you have one as well. Can't wait to see your Xeon 3070 results.
very nice.. :) hehehe.. i think fhpchris did mention that sooner or later we will seeing someone priming at 4GHz.. :)
:woot: I hope my xeon will be here soon.. :) hehehe will be using DFI RD600 :rocker: (I hope :D)
Glad the radiator helped you RacerX. I thought that you said you had a batch L628B167 earlier in the thread. Is this the same cpu?
Yeah, the rad help tremendously thanks for the push towards a new one. And thats the same and only Xeon I own at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron 61
Still pushing for more.....but will need vmch mod for 4.3ghz.
http://home.comcast.net/~phippy1/4.2ghz.JPG
Congrats, looks like you have the strongest xeon so far. Your getting to the point where everything has to be dead on in order to go any further.
Exactly, just wondering what this chip would do under phase.:woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron 61
Well if ocz ever delivers their phase change rig maybe you can find out without taking out a second mortgage. I have a B211 so I don't think I'll get as far as you but this waiting for dfi 680i is killing me.
Nice results, so far your chip is about the same as my X6800, but maybe a little better ;)
As promised my SS at 4.25ghz, motherboard maxed without mods. No doubt this chip as more than 4.3 under water. Anxiously waiting for the arrival of the Commando.
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=145947
First try Orthos blend at 3.9.......Looks promising so far. Dam this rad is making a huge difference.
http://home.comcast.net/~phippy1/3.9orthos.JPG
Thats freakin' awsome ... 4.2 Ghz.
Nice results! I cant seem to find a Xeon 3070 instock anywhere with a decent price, so I might pick up a 3060 (NE and ZZF sold out even :() from somewhere like page computers.
Let me know if you guys can find any good deals on them :(
That blows as I noticed you just sold your X6800, good for you. BTW, my system just BSOD roughly 5hrs into orthos blend. Not sure why it would do that instead of just failing orthos, is that strange or what. Most definitely not a temp issue maybe a slight increase in vcore or vdimm will fix the BSOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
hey chris, you might try www.pyrinex.comQuote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
that's where i got mine from. you can also check the stepping before you get it. just shoot an email to dylan daugherty : dylan@pyrinex.com
and he should be able to help you out.
from my hours and hours and hours of orthos testing, usually a BSOD will be caused by not enough vcore. try upping it a bit to see if you gain stability. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by RacerX
I think they don't have it. It is not listed there at least. However you can give them a call.Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
The egg has it for $540 shipped.
i thought he was referring to the 3060. my bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by GPSeek
i guess I'm late but what's all the fuzz about xeon in here? They clock better for lower vcore or something? Some of the results here looks just like e6600.
The BSOD may have something to do with Orthos paging ur harddrives. Meaning its working it overtime.Quote:
Originally Posted by RacerX
BTW, where can I get one of these? They are sold out everywhere it seems.
Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
Thanks shimmishim, I just pulled the trigger on one myself. 327.00 + free shipping to boot :toast:
I don't understand your statement:confused: You have 2 3060's in your sig and you sold 1, why pick up another?Quote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
My roomate needs a cpu too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by palese
:) cool , the www.pyrinex.com link is a good one, 327.00 no tax or shipping if you live outside of Ohio:woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
Well before I went to sleep last nite I was at 7+hrs blend at 3.9 and this morning noticed pc rebooted. Obviously 3.9 is not possible at the moment, I don't believe its the temp on the Xeon as I didn't see it reach over 74c while I was awake and normally my room drops 2c or so during the nite so if anything temps should of lowered. Possibly the NB is the culprit will need to back down cpu and test higher fsb.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/8686/3700aqz3.jpg
:)
So far, I have some strange observations:
1) The temps seems incredible! My heatsink is barely warm to the touch and yet I'm averaging 80-83C under Orthos load.
2) 1.8Vmch is more stable for me at this speed than 1.9-2.0Vmch.
3) I have a 120mm fan on my TTBT which can push >100cfm@2300rpm yet the temps barely drop ~5C. I prefer a whisper-quiet 24/7 rig so I lowered the rheo. Should I re-seat the cooler on the cpu?
4) Getting into Windows at stock voltage was possible but I bluescreen/rebooted every time I ran Orthos for between 3-20minutes until I upped the Vcore to 1.425V.
5) This was pretty easy, thanks to you guys blazing the way with the info in this post. :)
Thinking about 3.8 now... ;)
good job on the 8+ horus of blend on that board.
I can't get more than 4-18 minutes hehehe...
I'm beginning to question the contact of the IHS with any HSF.
I've noticed that if I don't put enough AS5 on the IHS, parts of the IHS do not touch the waterblock i have...
this may be the reason why your temps are so high.
i'd like to give this chip a lap :) but don't want to risk it...
when you get a chance, can you PM me your mobo settings?
vmch, vcore, vdimm, memset 3.0 settings, etc...
thanks!
Thats rather impressive for blend, I cant even get near that.Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
Your mobo must be a cherry one ;)
:mad:
I have an E6600 that is JUNK. Only hits 3.3
Anyone have a 6600 they want to part with that can clock higher (24/7 stable for GAMING) ?
Individual Skill and cooling are the limiting things.Quote:
Originally Posted by syne_24
I bet if someone who can only do 3.6 sends me the cpu they have I will do 3.8 prime on my setup.
Honestly, I think its about exactly the same as my L628B167, only this stupid Abit walls me hard @ 435fsb :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron 61
+1 camping out for DFI RD600.
Quote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
That would be great if the sole purpose of my PC was to run Prime. And I've seen this setup of mine run prime at much higher than the 3.2Ghz that I've got it running at. But the same BIOS settings that hold Prime stable for 20+ hours won't hold the PC stable for more than 45 minutes in games like Battlefield 2 or 2142.
So beating the Prime drum doesnt' make music to my ears.
Agreed but when running Prime / Orthos you get to stress the CPU far greater than your game will. I can tell you though for a :fact: as I have been BF2 and BF2142 fanatic and went through really bad RAM failing experiences that those two games utilize the ram far greater than any other piece of software I know of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khaotic
Prime / Orthos I just use for primary CPU overclock testing and it has been very reliable for that purpose. I'd say BF2142 or BF2 would be my RAM test vs anything else, I don't think memtest stresses ram as much in fact my bad ballistix a while back would go 24 hours no errors in memtest and BSOD random while in BF2 / Windows during ram operations.
Well, this has probably has reached threadjack status by now.
Such a tangled web we weave with Overclocking.............
I have a L624A819 E6600. There has been NOTHING I've read that says that batch was stellar at ANYTHING.
I also have a L626A301 E6400 that I have gotten to runs at 3600Mhz at what I call 24/7 stability.
Well - this may be a threadjack. Sorry about that.
I run two machines for a reason. One to USE and the other to Tinker with. In the beginning, i expected the 4MB cache 6600 to not yield as impressive an overclock as the 2MB 6400. But after reading so many success stories about E6600's getting into the 3.6 - 4.0 range..............
Khaotic, i know exactly how you feel. I did the dummy back in august when the c2ds were scarce and bought 2 6600s. The first one wouldnt boot on air on a DS3 at 3.6ghz and would prime at 3.3ghz with 1.6volts. I didnt want any of the boards available at the time so i built a friend a computer with that cpu and figured my other one had to be better.
I should have tested both at the time but i didnt want to open the other because i wasnt sure if i was going to sell it and grab a 6700. A couple weeks later i caved and picked up a P5B Deluxe. Went straight to 400x9 and got nothing. The board wouldnt boot 3.6ghz at any voltage. Tried a couple bios updates and the highest boot i could get was 3.5ghz and the best orthos was 3.2ghz.
I blamed the P5Bs nasty vdroop and went through the first stage of denial. I returned the board and ran across the aw9d-max at frys. I bought it dropped the cpu in and big typhoon on and booted right up at 400x9 so i figured thats a start. The best i could do on air was 3.35ghz orthos stable and 411X9 boot. I got my phase about a week later and was finally able to get 3.8ghz orthos stable and can boot 4ghz suicides.
I think its time for people to start admitting that most of the earlier week cpus just cant do it and its not user error. I just found a buyer for my cpu today and i want to move on to a 3070 but i just cant seem to find any. I would just get a 3060 but its not a good fit for my board and i dont really want to jump ship on the aw9d-max just yet.
Ouch, My L623A E6600 could only manage 3.7ghz dual 32m and 3.6 orthos and I thought it was a piece of crap :(Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDeeds
Will the Xeon 3060 run on an nForce 680i board?
They "should" right?
They do work. The L628B in my Sig is running in an Evga 680i right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khaotic
It defaulted to 343*7 though, kinda odd.
sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you, shimm, my isp was schizo for the last day or so...:(Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmishim
basically, these are my settings:
fsb: 411
multi: 9x
bootstrap: 1066
cpu/ddr: 1:1
vcore: 1.4125
vdimm: 2.0
vmch: 1.8
ram timings: 4-4-4
trfc: 28
Did I miss anything in particular you're looking for? Btw, I'm using the B03 bios, too.
I remounted my TTBT last night which dropped my idle temps 2-3C but I still cap out at 81C under Orthos load...no matter what the voltage!:eek: I don't understand why that is.:confused:
My buddy has the same rig as me (3060, AW9D-Max, 2GB Ballistix, TTBT) and can run Orthos on Blend at 423! I'm using the mcx159-cu and he's using the stock chipset cooling, although we've both removed the stocking cooling/heatsinks and applied AS5. He runs at 1.55Vcore and at much cooler temps than mine (~75C under load) even though we have the same cpu cooler. He is using the new TTBT VX model whereas I have the original TTBT, the only difference seems to be that the VX mount is much much easier to affix to the motherboard. I am completely perplexed as to how this could be except to surmise that his IHS is flatter than mine. I'm considering getting either the newer VX or a Tuniq, but as we are near the weekend I couldn't reasonably expect delivery before middle of next week. Also, can I truly rationalize spending ~$70 for 100-200MHz? I know this is XS but that seems like poor economics to me.;) I'd rather wait to see what the rd600 will bring to the table and take a slight hit on the resale of this AW9D.
At any rate, I seem to be walled with blend at 411fsb although I did manage 5+ hours of SmallFFT's at 423fsb. Between the cpu/mobo upgrade (opty165@2.7 vs c2d@3.7) and the video upgrade (1800xt vs 8800gts) I'm loving bf2142 at 1920x1200 with all the bells and whistles cranked up. :)
hth
Running Blend @ 411 is rather good for this board, I cannot even run blend over ~400 or so, but I think that is more an issue of running over 1.8vmch in bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErikaeanLogic
I think you should be able to run Small FFT for hours @ 420-433 fsb, just depending on what cpu voltage you need and what vMCH your running.
Xeon 3060 #3 L6**B***
1.54v measured (only voltage tried so far)
3905 prime 40+ min Small FFT pass
fans @ 7v, ambient temperature ~75F
First setting used :toast:
Storm was leaking a little bit, so I had to turn it off and I am gong to wait for the last little bit of liquid to dry.
I have a picture, but it is on the hard drive of that computer...
Looks to me like they raised the price....Quote:
Originally Posted by palese
But they try to make it look like you are SAVING money......
$349.95 with a slash to $344.50
:stick:
supply and demand at its finest
If I have time over the next few days I will try to post my 7+ hour prime @ 3905 from my new cpu, but I need to reinstall the OS first..
The new Xeon #3 passed 8+ hours of SP2004 @ 3905 :toast:
L6??B??? Very nice cpu.
Just recvd my L628B211 :YIPPIE:
Thanks Pyrinex :thumbsup:
Quote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
hey I thought your going for a Xeon 3070.. :D
anyone have a result in this processors??? :)
in stock at the egg and they aren't gouging!
yup.. I see it.. :) tnxs.. hehehe but my money can only accomodate X3060.. :) and i think multi of 9 is the sweet spot.. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
:woot:
I am talking about the x3060 unless u meant quadcore.
my bad.. i mean Xeon 3060.. :)
but the xeon 3060 is in stock so...im confused.
I ended up with a Xeon 3060 - L629A780 , keep it or send it back for B??
statistically it seems the B chips tend to clock higher, to the tune of ~100-200MHz. my B 3060 does 3.6GHz with 1.3625Vcore (1.38V actual) and 3.7GHz with 1.4125Vcore (1.44V actual) with a TTBT using a lowspeed fan...Orthos blend stable yadayada ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by palese
Where did you get it from?Quote:
Originally Posted by palese
Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
Pyrinex, I guess I should not complain they raised their price on them.
I don't mean to hijack this thread, but does the asus P5B-E support Xeons?
I don't really care about warranties and official support, but I want to make sure I get a board that can run my new proc.
Xeon 3060 is almost identical to the 6600 or whatever model you choose to get. So yes it will work on your mobo
X3070 was out of stock, so I just picked up another X3060 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by erwinz
Quick benching before I went out, I happened to reach 500x8 on P5B DLX with a Xeon 3060 using 1.55v 4ghz and my ram running DDR2 1000 1:1 (air cooling) worked for benching too!. I will post some screen shots of benches and whatnot 2morrow after I recover from new years. :toast:
I've been reading through this thread and have yet to see a definite answer as to if there are ANY differences between a normal Core 2 Duo and a Xeon chip?
-Thanks
Nobody here really knows any real difference at least. :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by CHaynes112
Xeon version may go through additional validation process for server environment. But, only Intel can anwser this sort of questions.:stick:
Must be different threads you are reading because I've read that testing is showing that Xeons are binned for lower voltage and less heat, I doubt you will find documentation from Intel on it if that is what you mean
Got Xeon 3060 today, L629A780
It runs much cooler than my previous B chip
Passed OCCT at 3.6 1.55V and 3.7ghz 1.6V on p5b dlx (modded)
Xeons like volts :)
Forget that 4ghz on xeon, it wouldnt do anything major cept for a few 1m and boot to windows before it reset. I did however get a run of 3.8ghz with 423x9 ram at DDR2 1055 on 1.6v 4-4-4-15 timings 2.35v
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...nX/bench34.jpg
The damn thing wouldnt even upload results, it just said "Failed to Upload" :( so I will have to keep trying. I have the .PCR file for it though, is there anything I can do with this?
Video card was X1900XTX @ 750/876 on 1.55v
someone bought a 3070 yet ?
They are available from a Canadian supplier...
If you can get a L682B xeon3070, I would do it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Supertim0r
I can't choose...it's buy...and see what you get :(
Hi i have been reading all ur OC storys with the xeon 3060 and looks like a good OCER but should i get a E6600 or Xeon 3060 i dont overclock and play games on my computer the most spect i love server CPUs for some reason should i spend the 10bux or just get a E6600:banana:
Why not get a Xeon for only 10$ more....
If an SRT-4 cost 10$ more than the base neon, which would you rather have...
Some people dont know the difference, and some do ;0
Qucik Max FSB test on a 3060 , Radbox Cooled.
http://www.pt1t.net/Xeon_3060_L631B/..._bios_0507.png
Got this today,just a speedtest,dont really got the wright mobo for it yet.
Watercooled cpu. Have not tested stability yet,will do soon, and maxclock of course:D
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l9...060/420312.jpg
Xeon 3060 L6xxB :)
P5B Deluxe Unmoded (Bios 1004).
Cooling : Tuniq Tower 120 (Room Temp ~18°)
Ram : 2*1go Kingston HyperX pc8500
VGA : 8800gts
Max FSB , Tuniq Tower 120
http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/165407.png
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=165407
Max Super pi 1M Watercooling , 15° Water
http://www.pt1t.net/Xeon_3060_L631B/...ter_passif.PNG
And Suicide Screen
http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/165476.png
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=165476
oh God i want one of these :eek:
LOL, 15C water and its idling 53/57c, you must be pushing some nice voltage :)
1.7v bios on unmoded p5b dlx , I screened too early , temp is almost Load Temp :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
And Idle Temp gave +- Same temp on each core.
Your suicide screen is the same as the max fsb in your post ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pt1t
This xeon roxxxxx :clap:
Update of suicide Screen , With unmodded Motherboard :D
http://www.pt1t.net/Xeon_3060_L631B/...60_4920mhz.png
Pt1T this is def a nice one you have..
Whats your cooling? And voltages...
Very nice Xeon. Details are in pic: 2 stage cascade and 1.64 vcore :D
Soon with Good Vcore :) , Under cascade (-80°), i have 585 FSB max. And Maybe 600*9 under LN2.Quote:
Originally Posted by loc.o
With multi? I have 7x583 now unmodded board but i need vcore AND cooling..