what the hell are they waiting for the card is 6 months late to the market anyway and now all this waiting for what?
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what the hell are they waiting for the card is 6 months late to the market anyway and now all this waiting for what?
How is it 6 months late?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zipelgas
Waiting for launch maybe....
He means because nvidia already did a refreshed 28nm gaming card a long while back, and this is AMD finally months later doing one to be in the same generation. I can understand callingit late from that perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Then GK110 was over a year late going by that logic...Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Huh? Not at all, I'm not sure where you got that from out of my post. 28nm small/medium chips came out within a brief time from eachother from both AMD and NVidia, these were first-gen 28nm (Radeon 7970 and GTX 680). Nvidia did a new large chip refresh of 28nm in March, and AMD is only finally refreshing their 28nm lineup with a larger chip. GK110 has nothing to do with first-gen 28nm chips. It is a refreshed 2nd-gen one, as is Volcanic Islands. And therefore you can reasonably say Volcanic Islands is far far behind on release for a 2nd-gen chip on 28nm.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
My point is that you cannot compare "lateness" the way that you two are...Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Different product cycles, different development timelines/roadmaps, etc.
The real question for lateness should be, why did we have to wait ~8months for GK110 to be in a consumer product.
Because
a) it wasn't ready until fall 2012
b) it probably was still expensive in fall 2012
c) GK104 competed well against Tahiti
Likely a combination of these 3 factors.
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post5209354
In other words one company is ahead/behind the other, of course. That goes without saying on timelines. That's not relevant to who is "ahead". GK110 was not ready for a long time after GK104, was expensive to build back then, and GK104 was already a high-end performance level competing well against their competitor's product. GK104 & Tahiti were part of the same 28nm initial generation. Now GK110 has been out for several months, a new 2nd-gen large 28nm chip, and AMD is only finally getting their equivalent chip out the door.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Again, huh? What's it matter that it's a large chip, small chip, green chip, or wild neon pink chip? The fact of the matter is that NVidia had a high-end-performance-level product out right when AMD did essentially. Now NVidia has had a new generation of 28nm chips (GK110) out but AMD is only finally making their "big" 28nm chip on a new generation. So, yes, they are behind! It's just like console "generations" or any other product. You judge it by release date & relevance to other products on the market. In that context it's very obvious that AMD is very far behind launching their "new 28nm big chip" generation compared to NVidia. That's not a rib or barb at them, but it is indeed the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piledriver
At least have the courtesy and wherewithal to say something other than a sarcastic smiley and a link to another post that isn't really addressing the topic. If you have something to say, say it so a discussion can actually happen.
AMD is not late because...they were ahead in performance so they said no new GPUs until 2014. Then Nvidia released Titan...AMD shrugged their shoulders and released 7990, clearly not expecting that.... Then Nvidia released the 780 and 770 and thus declared a new generation of GPUs out of no where... forcing AMD to react and revamp their current architecture. You can't say they were late to a game that was never scheduled, because there was no word of a new generation battle at all....Nvidia simply saw an opening/weakness and slid in with a new card. Yes, AMD is playing catch-up after being sucker punched...but they are not late....they are fully capable of competing with NVIDIA at anytime. Now, it either all happened like above or this was all A clever price fixing scheme pulled of by staggering releases and acting like these new cards are not replacing the current generation of cards but are actually Bigger more expensive cards further up the pricing tier of the current generation...OMG! AMD even renamed all their old cards to fit this card into a new pricing tier.
Please, I don't want to hear any complaints about so-called "price fixing" :rolleyes:
If people will pay whatever the price they set, then they might as well charge what they can. If it is really too much and people won't buy, and the prices will have to fall accordingly until people start buying again.
If you want to blame anyone for prices being too high, blame the gullible people who buy at ridiculous $700+ prices :p:
Yep, just like high digital download and e-book prices... ha I remember when e-books were touted as a lower-cost alternative and sold as such, compared to a physical book. Now they charge more than the real thing most of the time by a good margin and tout it as "convenient and space-saving!" despite saving a bundle on distribution, warehousing, stock estimation/production runs, physical materials, shipping, logistics, etc. It's absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparky
Unfortunately people tend to whine but never actually do anything about it. If everyone who said that the prices are too high didn't then go and buy... or everyone who complained that DRM was annoying didn't go ahead and buy anyway... we wouldn't be in this situation today, on video cards, on e-books, on videogames all having online activation nowadays for the most part with account-bound keys, etc. But hey, all in the name of "I want it!" right?
In short, I agree with you. If people are paying it, the companies would be FOOLS to not charge what they can. They're for-profit businesses, not non-profit charities trying to do good in the world and aid people directly. Not to say that businesses don't benefit people, of course, in economic ways, but the end goal is to make money. Thus, if you can charge higher for a product than you really need to, why wouldn't you? Same thing with individuals on ebay, they post the item as high as they think they can get ;). Nothing wrong with it, but don't then complain that prices are rising!
Indeed, reference card prices are starting to reach levels that were reserved for really special custom AIBs cards, people only have themselves to blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparky
^^ is that yours?
and ASIC quality?:)
Boring... :(
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Titan is only new generation or a refresh in your head. Titan was late period. If Titan is a refresh why were all nvidia fanboys talking about it months before, mentioning it's exact specs and how Nvidia didn't release it because it wasn't necessary? Apparently dam thing was ready months ago, woodscrew edition. I stated facts, you want argue over facts go ahead. You trying to convince people that Fermi wasn't late, that when it finally come out, because it was high-end it was AMD that was late, great argument. :rolleyes: I guess you greens don't have much to hold on to this days.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Never heard of Tesla I guess? :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Piledriver
Yup. Nvidia could have released the Titan in fall 2012 if they had wanted to. Perhaps the GPU would have cost a tad more to make, but it's not like Nvidia's margins with Titan are low at $999 MSRP...
What prompted Titans release in February 2013 was - at least in part - AMDs million dollar deal with EA regarding Crysis 3. NV wanted something to counter that, and so they released Titan.
Err, who talked about Fermi? You are the one raising a topic from 2/3 generations ago, where things got bad for nVIDIA, hence you seem to be the one without much to hold on to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piledriver
No, they couldn't. If they could have they would have.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
And this is based on what...fantasy? GK110 clearly existed then, Nvidia could have just ordered more wafers. It's not like you need more than say 10k cards for a initial run.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Yeah, cause you just order up more wafers from TSMC at a drop of a hat and receive them the next day...Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
It is more of a fantasy to believe that they could have released it but didn't "for funsies."