ATI Radeon HD 4000 Series discussion

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Originally Posted by LowRun

Shamino and Kinc like a few others don't pay for most of the hardware they abuse so your point is moot.

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Not true ... you don't want to know how much money Kinc has spent on hardware over the last few years.
I can't speak for shamino, but I would believe he's spent a dime or two as well.

//Andreas

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Originally Posted by LowRun

Shamino and Kinc like a few others don't pay for most of the hardware they abuse so your point is moot.

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The likes of Shamino, Kinc, FUGGER etc are what I see as the Xtreme end of the spectrum. Where almost all the rest of XS members aspire to be.

Then you have your average enthusiasts that are happy with Q9450's or E8400's or even X4 9650's etc & overclocking to get higher performance.

Then you have the budget enthusiasts who buy E6xxx, E4xxx, E2xxx, X2's or X3's & overclock them to the hilt.

All are Xtreme in their own ways (for some Xtremely boring, others Xtremely ignorant etc) and it is that variety that makes XS work for even average Joe Bloggs to learn something new, get good advice or just have a laugh at all the fanboys going at each other.

I fall into the average/budget enthusiast as I spend a set amount every year (£2,000-£3,000) to update 4 PC's & a server. Being Xtreme doesn't mean XtremelyBankrupt, altho that might be an idea for a sister site for those that take it too far.

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The Fud

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Originally Posted by NH|Delph1

Not true ... you don't want to know how much money Kinc has spent on hardware over the last few years.
I can't speak for shamino, but I would believe he's spent a dime or two as well.

//Andreas

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My bad, i should have said some and not most. My point beeing that the stuff one of them get for free would fullfill all my needs and a few friends too.

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Originally Posted by DeathReborn

The likes of Shamino, Kinc, FUGGER etc are what I see as the Xtreme end of the spectrum. Where almost all the rest of XS members aspire to be.

Then you have your average enthusiasts that are happy with Q9450's or E8400's or even X4 9650's etc & overclocking to get higher performance.

Then you have the budget enthusiasts who buy E6xxx, E4xxx, E2xxx, X2's or X3's & overclock them to the hilt.

All are Xtreme in their own ways (for some Xtremely boring, others Xtremely ignorant etc) and it is that variety that makes XS work for even average Joe Bloggs to learn something new, get good advice or just have a laugh at all the fanboys going at each other.

I fall into the average/budget enthusiast as I spend a set amount every year (£2,000-£3,000) to update 4 PC's & a server. Being Xtreme doesn't mean XtremelyBankrupt, altho that might be an idea for a sister site for those that take it too far.

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Agreed

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Originally Posted by LowRun

Shamino and Kinc like a few others don't pay for most of the hardware they abuse so your point is moot.

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Make it some. And even if they could get all their hardware for free... you're still starring at the ocean but fail to see the water :D
You're missing the cooling costs, such as the expensive pots, LN2 dewars, LN2 supply, expensive thermometers & multimeters, etc etc.

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Originally Posted by LowRun

My bad, i should have said some and not most. My point beeing that the stuff one of them get for free would fullfill all my needs and a few friends too.

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"Corrected above".

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Originally Posted by LowRun

My bad, i should have said some and not most. My point beeing that the stuff one of them get for free would fullfill all my needs and a few friends too.

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I forgive you ;)

While we do get a lot of freebies, the amount of money you have to spend on hardware and the other stuff which is required to stay at the top is pretty insane.
Even if we (NH) had a deal with AGA for liquid nitrogen, it still cost us a pretty penny.

(I graduate in 2 weeks, I'm finally going to start making money again. God damn, this is going to be one expensive summer...)

//Andreas

I agree, even if i was rich i wouldn't spend $400+ on a GPU or CPU.

i would.....

and a few smaller sys for xtreme oc and crunching

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Originally Posted by NH|Delph1

Not true ... you don't want to know how much money Kinc has spent on hardware over the last few years.
I can't speak for shamino, but I would believe he's spent a dime or two as well.

//Andreas

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That's what I was going by, Shamino was recently interviewed and I've talked to kingpin a couple of times (and I've got to say he's an amazing guy, definitely hasn't let the fame go to his head) and I can definitely say he doesn't get everything free, and that he's spent plenty of money on hardware (especially when trying to find a "golden" chip)

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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...ndle/r4850.jpg
The Fud

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900mhz for the pro.... i really cant wait... a 4870x2 and a 4870xt have my name on them.... :up:

Those are shader clocks.. and it looks like they're overclocking

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Originally Posted by zerazax

Those are shader clocks.. and it looks like they're overclocking

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It does look a shader clock, but I have to ask where is the core clock? BTW- It does say core clock at the bottom.
And no, it doesn't look like they are overclocking.

Also would like to point out the fruits of Jawed searching through certain companies patents-

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Originally Posted by esp@cenet

Memory controller with ring bus for interconnecting memory clients to memory devices
Embodiments of a distributed memory controller system implemented on a single integrated circuit device are described. In one embodiment, a memory controller that provides an interconnection circuit between a first plurality of memory devices to a second plurality of memory clients includes a ring bus to route at least one of the memory request and data return signals between the memory clients and the memory devices. The ring bus is configured in a ring topography that is distributed across a portion of an integrated circuit device, resulting in a reduction in the maximum wiring density at the center of memory controller. The ring bus structure also reduces the overall number of interconnections as well as the number of storage elements, thus reducing the total area used by the memory controller. The ring bus couples memory clients that are physically located within the ring topography on the integrated circuit to external memory devices through memory device interface circuits located on the integrated circuit device. The memory controller also includes deadlock avoidance mechanisms that utilize virtual channels on the ring bus for one or more defined types of bus traffic.

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hurry up and release the cards already.

dog champing at the bit, drool slaver.

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

It does look a shader clock, but I have to ask where is the core clock? BTW- It does say core clock at the bottom.
And no, it doesn't look like they are overclocking.

Also would like to point out the fruits of Jawed searching through certain companies patents-

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Add to that quimonda Gddr5 being able to accept command from 2 seperate devices...but not likely to be properly functioning in these cards...the gen after, possibly. R7xx series is a R6xx revamp only.

Here are the cooler pics; rv700, rv700xt,rv770pro,rv730

source translated; http://translate.google.com/translat...F8&sl=de&tl=en

stock source; http://www.hardware-infos.com/news.php?news=2089

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Originally Posted by Monkeywoman

Here are the cooler pics; r700, rv770xt,rv770pro,rv730

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fixed. ;)

i want do CF with my old 3870 please ^^

The Cooler Pictures of Radeon HD 4870x2, 4870, 4850, 4690 leaked

http://www.pczilla.net/en/post/21.html

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Originally Posted by mao5

The Cooler Pictures of Radeon HD 4870x2, 4870, 4850, 4690 leaked

http://www.pczilla.net/en/post/21.html

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look at 3 posts above yours

I like how they are making the bases of the rv770pro and rv730 coolers' all copper now, that should make a nice difference. Only big complaint I have is wide did they got back to the r600 style cooler from the rv670? They should have left the bottom of the fan open imo, that would have allowed for better cooling of the power supply and also more air could be taken in with less noise. At least they decided to put some heatpipes on the rv770/r700 coolers, I think that was a mistake not to with the 3870 and 3870x2 even if they didn't need it, that could have brought complete silence and better cooling.

I like the concept of the blower they're continuing with the r700, reminds me of the original monster 2900xtx cooler (which I think it was a shame that it never was released, even if the performance difference wasn't much they still should have released it for the uber cooler it had). That thing had something like 4 heatpipes with a blower at the end, I would gladly deal with the length anytime for amazing cooling performance.

Anyone got any idea why the sides are left open at the end of the coolers (for the 4870 and 4870x2)?

Black and red = win! :)

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Originally Posted by AliG

I like the concept of the blower they're continuing with the r700, reminds me of the original monster 2900xtx cooler (which I think it was a shame that it never was released, even if the performance difference wasn't much they still should have released it for the uber cooler it had). That thing had something like 4 heatpipes with a blower at the end, I would gladly deal with the length anytime for amazing cooling performance.

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Was that the cooler(OEM?) that had a friggin handle on the end?

I've said it before I'll say it again.

The HD 4850 pro only requiring a single slot cooler even after the architecture upgrade is a definite accomplishment on the part of ATI.

Perkam

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Originally Posted by Beefy22

Was that the cooler(OEM?) that had a friggin handle on the end?

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Yup, that monster one that only a few OEMs got in the end, I still think at least ati should have offered it as say 2900xt ultra edition with much higher stock clocks or something along those lines, nvidia did that with g80 and made plenty of extra sales that way.

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Originally Posted by perkam

I've said it before I'll say it again.

The HD 4850 pro only requiring a single slot cooler even after the architecture upgrade is a definite accomplishment on the part of ATI.

Perkam

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I couldn't agree with you more, 480 shaders with a single slot cooler will be amazing, I just wonder how loud the fan will be and how hot it will load (8800gt is a good example of that)

Charlie is saying that the R700 should beat the GeForce 280.
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...0-280-revealed