Official AMD Barcelona Thread

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Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR

They were being supervised in case you missed the previous story with that AMD guy sitting behind them. And i guess breaking the rules would mean no more exclusives from AMD at the very least.

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I do understand but my point remains the same. Without knowing the speed a machine is running it all you can talk in is in the vaguest generalities and therefore you really don't have any exclusive other than to say " Gee, it seems pretty responsive"
I can take my clover rig, turn the multi to 6, the ram to stock 333 and you have a 1998mhz 8 core machine that still is pretty decent but nowhere near the power of 3157mhz that I run it at.
That was my thinking when I said without knowing the speed of the machine you have no reference to appraise it.

didn't see anyone post these ones from Fuad. If true, looks like AMD may actually have some good news to compete with although they are ultra expensive to make.

3 to 4 % of Barcelona can go over 2.6 GHz
K10 at the corner of a wafer doomed to 2 GHz

by the way, Where the crap is the corner of a circle:p:?

corner is in the very center.....you just have to fold it twice

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Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR

They were being supervised in case you missed the previous story with that AMD guy sitting behind them. And i guess breaking the rules would mean no more exclusives from AMD at the very least.

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Then they should have told AMD they wouldn't comment on performance, Temps and or etc..... otherwise=P In fact, the whole market should tell AMD to piss-off until they can give them something tangible. Dewd, this one wasn't IMHO!

Let's see, it was running cool, well hell, if it was running at about 1.6 or 1.8GHz it should be running cool. Big deal. It's not like they can say it was running at 2.8GHz and cool. How do we know it wasn't an older core?

Again, do I need to link to some of the crap said about Intel During the first Conroe tests where Intel actually at least let them see the speed of the processor and etc..? How about a couple of weeks later when they let Anand and gang test one on their own? Barcelona is what, 5 weeks away from launch? People here were called Intel Plants when they got Conroe posted results on this forum. LOL, one even called Fugger an Intel employee at [H].

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Originally Posted by Blauhung

didn't see anyone post these ones from Fuad. If true, looks like AMD may actually have some good news to compete with although they are ultra expensive to make.

3 to 4 % of Barcelona can go over 2.6 GHz
K10 at the corner of a wafer doomed to 2 GHz

by the way, Where the crap is the corner of a circle:p:?

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The corners are the one nearest the partial dies or the complete ones far-est from the Center.

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Originally Posted by ludeboy12

corner is in the very center.....you just have to fold it twice

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I thought it was just the opposite!

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

I thought it was just the opposite!

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The corner is the outside rim

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Originally Posted by nn_step

The corner is the outside rim

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Right!

He means the edge? Circles don't have corners!

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Originally Posted by red

He means the edge? Circles don't have corners!

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What term do you expect him to use?
Rims or perhaps the crust :rolleyes:

We should all go to AMD and say:

WE NEED MORE INFO ON PHENOM!!!!!! :yepp:

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Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

We should all go to AMD and say:

WE NEED MORE INFO ON PHENOM!!!!!! :yepp:

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That would be great to do but unfortunately AMD doesn't seem to care about enthusiasts lately :(

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Originally Posted by freeloader

That would be great to do but unfortunately AMD doesn't seem to care about enthusiasts lately :(

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They do but a different class of enthusiasts.
Most notably the Server enthusiasts with high end only demands with absolutely unlimited budgets

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Originally Posted by nn_step

They do but a different class of enthusiasts.
Most notably the Server enthusiasts with high end only demands with absolutely unlimited budgets

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Yeah, it seems all they care about anymore is server people. It's almost as if they're completely ignoring desktop enthusiasts :(

Desktop Enthusiast :frag: AMD

I have loved AMD since the K7 days, but I tire of AMD not revealing any more info than they already have given us on K10. Why don't they stir :banana: up a bit and show us some Phenom vs Q6600? :D

Even if Phenom is like R600 and takes a little tweaking then it becomes something awesome for the $, I'll buy it. But if it doesn't live up to its expectations, then Intel, you've sold me a Core 2 Quad.

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Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

Yeah, it seems all they care about anymore is server people. It's almost as if they're completely ignoring desktop enthusiasts :(

Desktop Enthusiast :frag: AMD

I have loved AMD since the K7 days, but I tire of AMD not revealing any more info than they already have given us on K10. Why don't they stir :banana: up a bit and show us some Phenom vs Q6600? :D

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let us imagine for a second, that you sell tacos.
there are 50 people that will pay you $1 per Taco and 3 people which will pay you $50 a taco. Which people are you going to design your tacos for?

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Originally Posted by nn_step

let us imagine for a second, that you sell tacos.
there are 50 people that will pay you $1 per Taco and 3 people which will pay you $50 a taco. Which people are you going to design your tacos for?

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Nice analogy :up:

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Originally Posted by nn_step

They do but a different class of enthusiasts.
Most notably the Server enthusiasts with high end only demands with absolutely unlimited budgets

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Link us to their site? Or is this just you making excuse #7000 for AMD?:cool:

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

Link us to their site? Or is this just you making excuse #7000 for AMD?:cool:

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well I know there is one of them you might be familiar with
http://www.usa.gov/

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Originally Posted by nn_step

well I know there is one of them you might be familiar with
http://www.usa.gov/

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There's no such group as "Server enthusiasts" and "with absolutely unlimited budgets". Only you could come up with something so far fetched but why am I not surprised?:rolleyes: Again, if these types of users from your imagination were a force to be reckoned' with, there would be many sites dedicated to them. I'm sure these sites would be at least as popular as this one. Come on, give us a link and not .gov :rofl:????????

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

There's no such group as "Server enthusiasts" and "with absolutely unlimited budgets". Only you could come up with something so far fetched but why am I not surprised?:rolleyes: Again, if these types of users from your imagination were a force to be reckoned' with, there would be many sites dedicated to them. I'm sure these sites would be at least as popular as this one. Come on, give us a link and not .gov :rofl:????????

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Unlimited, no, but have you ever heard the phrase "if you have to ask the price then you can't afford it"? There are many comapnies who will pay tens if not hundreds of times more for a product that us "poor" people pay for it.

Governments, large corporations & educational establishments will pay the equivalent of $1000 per CPU for what would cost you in the shops $200. There's massive profits to be had if you go for the right segment with the right marketing.

nn_step uses terms you SHOULD be able to comprehend to explain a rather large & expensive section of the PC industry.

Quick question, do you own Intel stock or just have a thing about bashing AMD or their supporters? Not a dig at you personally, just wondering why you can't say nice about AMD.

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Originally Posted by DeathReborn

Unlimited, no, but have you ever heard the phrase "if you have to ask the price then you can't afford it"? There are many comapnies who will pay tens if not hundreds of times more for a product that us "poor" people pay for it.

Governments, large corporations & educational establishments will pay the equivalent of $1000 per CPU for what would cost you in the shops $200. There's massive profits to be had if you go for the right segment with the right marketing.

nn_step uses terms you SHOULD be able to comprehend to explain a rather large & expensive section of the PC industry.

Quick question, do you own Intel stock or just have a thing about bashing AMD or their supporters? Not a dig at you personally, just wondering why you can't say nice about AMD.

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Google is an excellent example. They're one of the biggest customers of server CPUs and will pay the $ to have the best ;)


When will the AMD bashing end? :rolleyes:

^^it seems it became a sport here to bash amd for whatever reason. too many biased folks on both sides if you ask me, so it never ends unless people get over their fanboyism, stocks or even payrolls.

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Originally Posted by Blauhung

didn't see anyone post these ones from Fuad. If true, looks like AMD may actually have some good news to compete with although they are ultra expensive to make.

3 to 4 % of Barcelona can go over 2.6 GHz
K10 at the corner of a wafer doomed to 2 GHz

by the way, Where the crap is the corner of a circle:p:?

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I don't know what I should think about "3-4% of Barc can go over 2.6GHz" that's like saying 40% (or any other random number...) of the core 2 based xeons can go over 3,33GHz, but what about the TDP, is it reasonable? I don't believe AMD/Intel would sell 150W chips...

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"The second trouble is that not all the chips from wafer works and we know that AMD is currently not happy with yields of the chips and will likely need another revision and it can pray that everything including clocks, leakage and speed is going to be fine. Otherwise it won't be pretty."

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I thought it's not the yields? Someone's definitely lying here...

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Krishna Shankar - JMP Securities

I just wanted to get a sense for [Barcelona] -- it sounds like there was some delay here and I wanted to get a sense for the challenges and how you plan to scale up the performance to address the various performance segments in the market.

Dirk R. Meyer

I better understand, thank you. First of all, we’re very happy with our 65-nanometer yields across all products, including Barcelona, so no issue there. The fact of the matter, Barcelona, while being an absolutely great product, is complicated and it’s taking a little bit more design work than we anticipated getting the final rim in place.

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AMD earnings call

sorry for bashing the inq, but it's great fun, they are so clueless... Maybe they get some inside information, but I don't believe, that they *even understand what they are told*

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Originally Posted by nn_step

They do [care about enthusiasts] but a different class of enthusiasts.
Most notably the Server enthusiasts with high end only demands with absolutely unlimited budgets

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If they had unlimited budgets they'd buy xeons, because they couldn't care less about the fb-dimm power consumption! Oh, no, tbh they'd buy power6/bluegene-P systems depending on the workload.
So no unlimited budgets.. it's still about power draw, were the AMD platform is quite competetive even w/o Barcelona (just imagine what Barc will do on that front..)

edit: lol, I confused the inq and fudzilla.. (anyway fudzilla is even worse *g*)

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Originally Posted by Jacky

I don't know what I should think about "3-4% of Barc can go over 2.6GHz" that's like saying 40% (or any other random number...) of the core 2 based xeons can go over 3,33GHz, but what about the TDP, is it reasonable? I don't believe AMD/Intel would sell 150W chips...

I thought it's not the yields? Someone's definitely lying here...


AMD earnings call

sorry for bashing the inq, but it's great fun, they are so clueless... Maybe they get some inside information, but I don't believe, that they *even understand what they are told*


If they had unlimited budgets they'd buy xeons, because they couldn't care less about the fb-dimm power consumption! Oh, no, tbh they'd buy power6/bluegene-P systems depending on the workload.
So no unlimited budgets.. it's still about power draw, were the AMD platform is quite competetive even w/o Barcelona (just imagine what Barc will do on that front..)

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I think 3-4%@2.6GHz under 120W. This is only logical conclusion from what Fudzilla is saying...

Are you sure about the inq par of your post??? (hint: Fudzilla :D ) :)

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2161022,00.asp
*"All told, Allen expects about 50 platforms to be designed using Barcelona."
*"It has great power efficiency and performance per watt,"
*"For example, the new Xeon 7300 quad-core processors will have up to 2.25 [times] performance-per-watt improvement over our current products as they bring the energy-efficient performance of the Core microarchitecture [to servers with four or more sockets]."
*David Driggers, chief technology officer of Verari Systems, a blade server vendor based in San Diego, offered a mixed review of Barcelona's performance so far. He said that while Barcelona's four cores each allow four calculations per clock cycle, offering better performance in that respect, the 2GHz clock speed is about 20 percent slower than he expected.
*Driggers is also concerned that AMD has been stingy with releasing the various Barcelona models so that his company can test the processor with a combination of different customer applications. By contrast, Driggers said he has already received five different processor models for Intel's Caneland platform.
*Driggers said, adding that he believes that since Barcelona can plug into existing dual-core sockets, the company might hold off releasing the chip for as long as possible.