The OFFICIAL MSI K8N Neo2-939 tips and tricks guide thread

:brick: My first post in a forum folks. Been building these boxes a looooong time. Just got my first amd64 3200 90nm and MSI k8n neo 2, stuffed with 2 256 Ballistix sticks, an ati 9800 all in wonder, audigy 2zs, a 74gb raptor and 2 250gb wd hds, and a dual layer dvd burner,juiced with a maddog 550w pumper.. I went the raid 0 route for a while but gave it up when I saw no real benefit after ANandtechs articles and personal tests. Can you say more power.....arr arr arr.. Enough levity.. I have
On the dvice manager ide sata hd tab I have found the enable command queing option. It was unchecked on install. (I loaded xp pro up got all the updates etc.,) I put a check in it and rebooted. I got a burst of 107 and a sustained of 71.4 . Anyone else see this? Also enable read caching is greyed out on this panel, all others are checked such as let bios determine tx mode and enable write caching.
I dualboot with xp64, and all items on this panel, are checked and not greyed out, except that I have to check enable command queing. whew.... I have searched and haven't found anyone with similar posts anywhere. I have the latest bios and nvidia drivers etc. It was the same on previos bios and drivers though. Any thoughts out there?
Also, after switching my raptor from sata1 to sata3 (due to someone earlier mentioning something about pci locks on sata 3and4) I get a BSOD when trying to boot into winxp 64 on D (same hd) or win2000 on the ide master drive. WHY? The BSOD mentions hard drive controllers being new or unsupported and recommends chkdsk /f which I can't do since I can't boot into either of these drives. I installed win2000 on the ide master before I even connected the sata drives initially. How can just switching the sata drive from 1 to 3 cause this? I have disable the ati speed up and run the memory in manual to get the 2225 settings with aggressive time disabled. I am not overclocking at all. :banana4:

With a China mobo you can make high htt + divider work if you boot with 1:1 and then set divider with tweaker. One of the differences is read premeable which is higher when booting with divider. 5.5ns with 1:1 and 7.5 with divider.
r 2-3 days now. No difference.

i tried this but it is not working i boot 1:1 then set a divider and the system crashed
what i found out is that cpu multipliers 8 and 9 a much worst for overclocking the ram than the 7 multi
can you try it and confirm please
it is a pity that my winnie has a maximum of 9 multi so i can`t go 1:1 and reach my 3000+ limit 2700mhz

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Originally Posted by I(illa Bee

Dose it post 2-2-2-5-1t, and fail in windows? Also that memory has Samsung TCCD chips on them, a lot of the time it dose not like voltage at all...try running it 2.6 or 2.65v. There are many that overclock way better on less voltage…I’m talking 260+ on only 2.65v…so give it a try..

Also my board under volts my 90nm core a lot. So your CPU might not be stable at stock clocks, due to low voltage, try upping the voltage, My BIOS reading were accurate to what my multimeter told me my CPU voltage was…

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Yes, it posts with no problem... and yes, it fails in Windows when running the aforementioned test. The only reason I was giving it voltage was because the packaging actually states "Test results using 2.75v". I'll try to reduce the voltage to see if that helps, at all.

I did notice that setting the Vcore to 1.6v in CoreCell only resulted in like a 1.5v measurement. It was kinda weird... so I'm having trouble realizing what voltage is really being applied. I tried to jack it up to 1.70v in CoreCell realizing that it "appeared" to be undervolting by 0.1v, and it rebooted instantly -- obviously not good.

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Ummm… you have a 3200+ the stock multiplier is 10, you cant go higher, than 10, and you CPUs stock speed is 2.0Ghz, not 2.2, and no one is guaranteeing you a free 200Mhz. Also again, go in a look to see what its reading you CPU voltage as.. Ill bet its a lot lower than 1.6v, I have mine set to 1.55 with the +10% and I only get like 1.63v, I cant remember......

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No, I have a Winchester 3500+.. the stock multiplier is x11. Let me know what your CMOS settings are for these items. I'd be more than curious to know.

Many thanks!
- Speedi

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Originally Posted by Speedi

Yes, it posts with no problem... and yes, it fails in Windows when running the aforementioned test. The only reason I was giving it voltage was because the packaging actually states "Test results using 2.75v". I'll try to reduce the voltage to see if that helps, at all.

I did notice that setting the Vcore to 1.6v in CoreCell only resulted in like a 1.5v measurement. It was kinda weird... so I'm having trouble realizing what voltage is really being applied. I tried to jack it up to 1.70v in CoreCell realizing that it "appeared" to be undervolting by 0.1v, and it rebooted instantly -- obviously not good.



No, I have a Winchester 3500+.. the stock multiplier is x11. Let me know what your CMOS settings are for these items. I'd be more than curious to know.

Many thanks!
- Speedi

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ohh i thought you had a 3200+ sorry...

Anyways... i run mine, 11x255 4xltd, 1.55v with the VID special at +10% (max in BIOS) memory 1:1 ummm 2-3-3-10, 1t 2.85v....Im useing 1sata (port 4) for my backup drive.. and my raptors are on a PCI RAID card. My CPU has some more in it, but im have problems with the multiplyers working, so my memory is wiggin..my CPU is a week 48...

hmmm....iv been playin BFV with thease setting most of the afternoon, hast crashed yet, but why is i memory on 188Mhz??? I set the 5/6 divider (166) at 240 it should be running 400Mhz??? when the system posted it said DDR333 running 200Mhz... any gusses?

http://server3.uploadit.org/files/KillaBee-11x240.JPG

Dam did anyone notice that this board doesnt let you max overclock your Video card? I lost a few mhz coming from a A8V to this. Its not that big of a deal, but wondering what would cause this? Maybe since its a Nforce board? Enquiring minds want to know =)

I(illa Bee use A64tweaker to read out the divider.
maybe you set it wrong?

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Originally Posted by HighLife

Dam did anyone notice that this board doesnt let you max overclock your Video card? I lost a few mhz coming from a A8V to this. Its not that big of a deal, but wondering what would cause this? Maybe since its a Nforce board? Enquiring minds want to know =)

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jep, read it before, somewhere long time ago...
dont know what you can do about it tho'

Does anyone know which temps are which when using speedfan?

In particular, I'm getting odd readings for "temp2" and "temp3". I thought "temp2" was the cpu, but despite that temp varying from 48C at idle to 55C at load, my heatsink is always cold to the touch. "temp3" usually sits at 32C at load but jumped up to about 45C when I reduced the speed of my heatsink fan to it's lowest speed, so I'm wondering if temp2 is sensed near my memory (which gets very hot) and temp3 is actually the cpu temp.

I know it's sort of a dumb question, but mbm5 won't even load on my computer for some reason so I am wondering why temp2 doesn't change at all regardless of fan speed, and temp3 rises when I reduce the fan speed. And my heatsink is cool to the touch even after re-seating it twice.

heatsink is XP90, fan is an adjustable 90mm unit, cpu is 3200 winchester running at 9x230 and 1.45v.


TIA

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Originally Posted by Jack

I(illa Bee use A64tweaker to read out the divider.
maybe you set it wrong?

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Will do...will it let me change the memory speed? or divider in windows? or jsut read it for me...

This might be off topic but I pulling my hair out atm because of my stupidity...

AARRGGHH!!!!

I was able to get 2 x 3200+ S939 a few months back to get into this winnie thing...

Silly me was expecting to be able get 3200+ S939 whenever I felt like it as I know more than a few distributors here in OZ (being a Tech & all at a computer store...

So, I sold one to my friend for the price I got it for (when i could hiked the the price)... Promised my mate I could get him one so kept my promise...

The other one was sold though the place I work because it was either part with my 3200+ & get the sale or keep it & lose a potential sale...

Man, what a bad decision on my half...

I'm stuck with 3 x 3500+ (2 x 130nm & 1 x 90nm) & 3 x K8N Neo2 mobos...

Now I'm stuck with 3 x 3500+ that don't OC as well as the 3200+ that I had...

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Sorry bout the off topic nbut I had to get that off my chest...

I've also had another K8N neo2 that would freeze on me with both the 130nm & 90nm CPU... Mobo would constantly beep when trying dual channel but amazingly even after sending it back for RMA, it was found to be not faulty...

I wonder WTF MSI do to test the mobo's out.. I'm thinking that they (MSI) only test the mobo with 1 stick of RAM & if it boots, then it's NOT faulty...

What a bunch of $ucks... their Quality Department should but taken out on a rice field & shot... Each & every one of them :mad:.

I'll be firing off an email to MSI in regards to this $h!t

/Vietnamese New Year rant Mode Off...

Anybody any sugestions about the temp reading of the mobo ?

mine is pretty off in the BIOS and MBM reads the same results, I just use a thermal Diot to read... i have mine right next to the core and one drilled into the side of my HS base...

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This might be off topic but I pulling my hair out atm because of my stupidity...

AARRGGHH!!!!

I was able to get 2 x 3200+ S939 a few months back to get into this winnie thing...

Silly me was expecting to be able get 3200+ S939 whenever I felt like it as I know more than a few distributors here in OZ (being a Tech & all at a computer store...

So, I sold one to my friend for the price I got it for (when i could hiked the the price)... Promised my mate I could get him one so kept my promise...

The other one was sold though the place I work because it was either part with my 3200+ & get the sale or keep it & lose a potential sale...

Man, what a bad decision on my half...

I'm stuck with 3 x 3500+ (2 x 130nm & 1 x 90nm) & 3 x K8N Neo2 mobos...

Now I'm stuck with 3 x 3500+ that don't OC as well as the 3200+ that I had...

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Sorry bout the off topic nbut I had to get that off my chest...

I've also had another K8N neo2 that would freeze on me with both the 130nm & 90nm CPU... Mobo would constantly beep when trying dual channel but amazingly even after sending it back for RMA, it was found to be not faulty...

I wonder WTF MSI do to test the mobo's out.. I'm thinking that they (MSI) only test the mobo with 1 stick of RAM & if it boots, then it's NOT faulty...

What a bunch of $ucks... their Quality Department should but taken out on a rice field & shot... Each & every one of them :mad:.

I'll be firing off an email to MSI in regards to this $h!t

/Vietnamese New Year rant Mode Off...

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LOL nice rant m8! :D :slash:

A couple quick questions....Im using 1.51B bios and prime stable at 244x9 .

I just noticed that setting the AGP to 66 is showing its locked at 66. When i had it to 67, clockgen would show it as 67. Anyone else notice this?

Is there some type of problem with HTT 4x? Im running 244 fsb ram is sync'ed. I see alot of people using 3x and not over 260.

hey i may have fried my 3500+, i missed when reading voltage with multimeter.I think i shorted the mosfet legs.. If the board powers up without a CPU in it, It jsut comes on without pushin power, as soon as i plug in the PSU. then the baord is good right? But when the CPU is in nothing happens when i push the power button...... Any thoughts, i thought at least it wouldower and not post?

sucks because i allways use my multimeter and never slip like that....

I am trying to play a bit with my Neo 2 board till the PCIEX cards arrive. (DFI is waiting in the box).

I am using a Vapo LS with FX55 and I have come up to some strange behavior. I am using 1.36moded bios atm because it is the only on that gives all available voltages for CPU.

Anywas, before the vapo I was almost default, watercooled, at 11x240. Memory is VX at 3.2volt and 2-2-2-5 1T.

Now I am trying simply to raise the multiplier , to 12 or 13, but nothing. The system boots up fine, I can go to bios etc, but I cannot go to windows! I get a PNF_LIST_CORRUPT error (blue screen). It seems though that the cpu can handle this load. But why it does not boot?

One more thing I tried, using clockgen, I raised the frequency from inside clockgen. It does not give any bsod screens, but when I try to run super pi for example, it immediadly gives an error...

Any ideas?

Thanks

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hey i may have fried my 3500+, i missed when reading voltage with multimeter.I think i shorted the mosfet legs.. If the board powers up without a CPU in it, It jsut comes on without pushin power, as soon as i plug in the PSU. then the baord is good right? But when the CPU is in nothing happens when i push the power button...... Any thoughts, i thought at least it wouldower and not post?

sucks because i allways use my multimeter and never slip like that....

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I did that with my old IC7-G/3.0Ghz/Vapo a while back...

Tha damn thing slipped, touched a mosfet * that was the end of my modded IC7-G... I could actually see the burn mark on the mosfet that went sizzling...

I remember smoke & then no video... Luckily my CPU was not dead...

Try your CPU in another rig... I think that only the mobo died... That's what happened with mine...

Hope your CPU didn't cark it... Time for DFI NF4 me thinks :D...

My condolences for your loss...

As for me, I'm testing another 3500+ atm. I'll be testing another 3200+ (finally stock available)... HOORAY!!! Bout time... Been trying to get a hold of one for over 2 months...

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Originally Posted by Minnyboy

I did that with my old IC7-G/3.0Ghz/Vapo a while back...

Tha damn thing slipped, touched a mosfet * that was the end of my modded IC7-G... I could actually see the burn mark on the mosfet that went sizzling...

I remember smoke & then no video... Luckily my CPU was not dead...

Try your CPU in another rig... I think that only the mobo died... That's what happened with mine...

Hope your CPU didn't cark it... Time for DFI NF4 me thinks :D...

My condolences for your loss...

As for me, I'm testing another 3500+ atm. I'll be testing another 3200+ (finally stock available)... HOORAY!!! Bout time... Been trying to get a hold of one for over 2 months...

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I hope my CPU is Good still, and i would love to go DFI NF4 but i have and AGP GPU i cant seem to get rid of...

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A couple quick questions....Im using 1.51B bios and prime stable at 244x9 .

I just noticed that setting the AGP to 66 is showing its locked at 66. When i had it to 67, clockgen would show it as 67. Anyone else notice this?

Is there some type of problem with HTT 4x? Im running 244 fsb ram is sync'ed. I see alot of people using 3x and not over 260.

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Hmmm i wonder why it says to run AGP at 67....is there something im missing? Clockgen shows it at 67.19 when its set to 67 and it shows 66.04 when its set to 66 in bios. Is there a bug or something im missing?

If i put ocz ddr booster in dimm 4 i still can only use one dimm ???

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Hmmm i wonder why it says to run AGP at 67....is there something im missing? Clockgen shows it at 67.19 when its set to 67 and it shows 66.04 when its set to 66 in bios. Is there a bug or something im missing?

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I think people set it to 67Mhz to insure the locks take effect, i guss sometime when left default it will not lock thus overclock as you up the HTT speed...

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I think people set it to 67Mhz to insure the locks take effect, i guss sometime when left default it will not lock thus overclock as you up the HTT speed...

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well it would be better if i left it at 66? or would it be better to have it at 67? Clockgen seems to see it at whatever i set it at.

Excuse me all please, but I cannot find how the heck the memory divider is changed in the Bios in this board. Please someone, how do I?

My Corsair 3200XL boots fine at 200 MHz, some Corsair xms3500 with BH-5 boots at 166 MHz and I cannot simply change that.

I have succesfully changed the frequency with the A64 tweaker for the BH-5's, but is it possible to boot this memory at 200 MHz doing something in the Bios?

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Originally Posted by HighLife

well it would be better if i left it at 66? or would it be better to have it at 67? Clockgen seems to see it at whatever i set it at.

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If you up you HTT speed, and coolgen is telling you your Agp speed is upping with it, then set t to 67 it will lock like its sospouse to, but you your overclcoking and the AGP is not moveing then leave it at 66..

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Originally Posted by Perc

dude dont treat me like a noob the max is NOT 1.45v so chill the :banana::banana::banana::banana: out man. my bios shows it working and it is under volting so back off...

perc,

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kinda late but any who i think what he is saying is that 1.475 is max even tho you set the setting higher it will still only give you 1.475v like on gigabyte board you can set a 10 multi on a 3000+ but it only works as a 9 :)